E843 - Mike Tyson v Jake Paul w/ Erika and Scott, Golden Bachelorette w/ Joan and Chock, RHOSLC, & RHOC

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Valve Files reality recap edition. I'm your host Nick. I got the household here. Hey, we got some special guys sitting in the studio kicking off the show. Our friends Erica and Scott. What did you guys last? I know you forgot our names.

Okay, yeah, I mean you got the first letter. All right. I don't honestly realize I haven't done it yet. I know yours, Erica. It's a lot of paperwork. Did you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that. I love that. What was the question? Sorry, what? He thought I said, I said, I know your last name. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

Did you legally change your last name? Well, I did on Instagram. I feel like that's that's enough. That's legal. There's a lot of people. Honestly, when it comes to like what matters most. No, honestly, it's just so much. It's so much paperwork, but I do want to have the same last name as my daughter. That's what I said. I don't want to pick her up from school and people be like, oh my gosh, is this like the mistress? Yeah, you're the other. Yikes.

She also doesn't look like me at all. So I was really. I think she looks like you. You do. I do. And like what part of her? I think when you do, like, can you scrunch your nose a little bit? That's right. Right there. That's it. There she is. And that's me. I don't think she looks anything like me, but it is nice when people lie and say that she does. I think she looks more like you than she does next.

Do you think she looks more like me than she does an ex-dad? Oof. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, they look... Now that I think about it, yeah. And I really think about it. That one hit. That one hit. Yeah. I think... But she looks like you. And she looks like you. Yeah, she definitely has. Sure. Yeah.

She will ever eventually hopefully at some point in her life. She still has a lot to grow. She has a lot of growing to do. Evolving. She'll change. Yeah. With their hair dye out there. Right. And contact lenses. Right. Oh, I forgot the eyes. Yeah. Megan negated. I look for the way she is. She has life around here. You think?

Not blonde. As soon as it gets wet, it gets dark. It's like as soon as you put a wig on her, it's dark, right? The brown? Yeah. It's all right. Well, Scott and Erica did come over last night after four other people canceled on them. They showed up at our friend door. Thank God. And we ordered so much Chinese food and played. Those after I had cocoa pebbles too.

Nick was going to just have cocoa pebbles for software. He's like, I guess Chinese. He was like, I got the family style box for myself. He was like, I got a just because I got a company. And then I was like, I also ordered a bunch of Chinese food. It was a lot of Chinese food. And then since I have to have cocoa bubbles for dessert, I had to have another whole cocoa pebbles after the Chinese food. Just to balance everything out. I was very full. Sweet. It was very. I'm still full. That was fine.

I won Domino's. Well, you do too, right? Well, you won a game. Yeah, you won a round. OK, Domino's. Well, actually, you might have actually won the whole thing. I should have tallied up all the numbers. No, you had a 40. Yeah, yeah. Let's not talk about it.

Did you guys watch the Tyson fight? We did. We did. With our eyes almost shut. I was really excited. I was one of the silly, naive people who thought Tyson was going to know.

Jake Paul really, he has played me for a fool so many times. I have, I think every time, even before it was free on Netflix for us to stream, while for the people who were able to watch, I've paid every time to watch Jake Paul get his face mashed.

And I'm like, this is the time. This is going to happen, you know, when it's like these old MMA fighters, you know, who seem like, you know, only five or 10 years past their prime. I knew it was not going to happen that night.

He wins every time. And then Mike Tyson looked. Oh, his legs were stiff. I was like, oh, it looks like it hurts. It did. It looked like River when I was trying to get her to walk to you. Exactly. She's like, I don't know how to do this. We're like, Mike, you just one foot in front of the other, but in front of the other. Yeah, that was that. And then there's like, allegedly, this is probably fake. You never know the internet, but like the script that came out that was like round one. This is what's going to happen. I didn't see that.

Doesn't that happens every time does it? Well, allegedly, but like he definitely was paid also allegedly to lose the fight now. So what I heard, I think as of this morning was allegedly allegedly, of course, of course, it's a legend in the contract. We don't spread rumors about anyone except Jake Paul. All assumptions.

But it was like Mike Tyson couldn't throw uppercuts the entire fight. And that's like his like main power move. And then also if it didn't get to at least round seven, I think Mike would make like one or two million compared to 20 if it went to the all the rounds.

That's just what the allegations are. That makes more sense than the script. Just like, you have to get the fight over. Yeah, that's true. You have to go all rounds and you'll get all your money. And I'm like, uh, cause that kind of handcuffs. That, that, if that's the case, that makes me really hate Jake Paul because we all knew that Mike Tyson being 57, 58 years old, like if he was going to win, it was going to. Exactly. Even when Mike Tyson was in his prime, he was a guy who was like, you have to win in the first five seconds because he's a pit ball. And then he kind of gets a little tired after. Or loses it. Yeah. It starts biting people.

So if that's the case like you're like you're not going to get paid all your money unless you get tired. Exactly. And he's like why wouldn't I just, you know, turn around the ring and make 20. I was like two minute round. Yeah. Yeah. It was real quick. Did you see him trip walking into the. Oh, no, we miss the entrance. Oh, we didn't actually. I think I think now and I were the only people who have internet. Were you watching on Netflix?

Yeah, we didn't have any issues. It was perfect. Oh, yeah. There was a lot of like a lot of people. I had a lot of buffering problems. Netflix is. I think the tally is now two for four when it comes to live events. They're not very good. Well, the first one was the live. Love is a live one. That was just an epic disaster. Disaster. Yeah. Both with the buffering and the connection and then like Nick and Vanessa. Like they. They were buffering to.

I didn't it also start like four hours late. That was the internet. That was the connection problem. And then Nick and Vanessa just kept buffering the live part. They just do the Tom Brady roast. That was fine. That when that seemingly went off without a hitch, then they had the Chris Rock.

was live, his like stand up comedy was live, that seemingly went off. Okay. But then we had Jake Paul and Mike Tyson not work. And apparently they have another one. When's the next one coming up? Beyonce, they're going to do for like a super for Christmas, Christmas, half time of football game. I feel like a lot of people are going to be watching.

Everyone's going to be watching that. They better get their stuff together now. I don't know if they're going up against the beehive. Can you imagine if it lags at the halftime? Yikes. I mean, we do know how the songs go. I mean, yeah, but it's the performance. You got to watch it. It's the outfit. It's everything. If we want to just listen to how we probably just put her on the Alexa right now. Yeah, partition.

Wow. So do we think it was real? It definitely wasn't rigged. I mean, he looked exhausted. I knew he was going to take it easy on him from the jump. I called it before the thing. I was like, it's going to go every round and no one's going to get knocked out. It seemed like Mike really didn't go Mike Tyson. Yeah, even a little bit. Not even his legs. Think of the biting fixation.

Well, uh, allegedly, I saw some TikTok saying that that was kind of like a warning. Apparently they had just like a pact that when he would bite his glove, that that would indicate, you know, slow down to Jay Paul, another, another, he was allegedly allegedly that he was like tired.

I am on TikTok for a long time. So yeah, that was a TikTok civilization. Yes. I'm done watching Jake Paul fight not. Yeah. Boxers in their prime. Yeah. Like Tommy Fury and he watched that and he lost. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So the only actual boxer he's fought and he's lost. He's lost.

Like his age, his size. Yeah, you know, like everyone else is a UFC fighter. Someone who's actually boxing. Yeah. Not someone who's decided to box for just a fight just to fight. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. The commentators. So basically he's a loser. He thought so. Jake Paul's own one. Yeah. That's all I agree. Yeah. He's own one. Yeah. And he takes advantage of of people that are not in this. Yeah. My favorite thing over the weekend was like the new announcements of Jake Paul's next fight. Oh, you know, it was.

We also, I didn't know he had like a docu series to leading up to the fight. Did you? Well, anytime Mike Tyson was on, it was really good. Then it would cut to like Jake Paul and it was like, it was like an SNL skit. Yeah, I have to watch it. Yeah. The Mike Tyson part was interesting because it was like him going back to Brooklyn and him like. So cool.

Just like playing, yeah, training and playing like old clips of him. And then Jake, it was like Mike Tyson talking about living up. Mike Tyson talking about living in extreme poverty and literally surviving. And I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say war like conditions, like incredibly extraordinary extreme poverty where he was like living in filth around people taking drugs cut to.

Jake Paul and he's 13 trying to exercise the demons of the Disney trolls as he is trying to go from Disney creator to boxer in the mental. Yeah, it's like my and then like you to like in and out of jail before 13.

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Did you hear that Gypsy Rose are a good friend, obviously? Yeah, your best friend. Yeah, no, no for years. She released paternity tests to shut everyone up, particularly you two. I hear you've been talking a lot. And she also announced her baby's name because she did say it on this podcast. Well, she

Why are you mad gypsy for taking away the thunder from us? Say it with your chest. No, I'm not mad. It's just like people are like, oh, and she finally announced. And it was like, well, on here, she was like, we're going to wear thinking of Aurora. She has exactly the opposite of her thinking. She was thinking of Aurora. Now she's like, we're going to name her baby Aurora.

How do you spell that? Nick's struggling. Or he was like, O-R-O-A-R like a tiger. O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-

Did she give birth yet? He's giving like denser. Okay, Peter Pan. But like fashion Peter Pan. I'm sorry. No, no, no, I love it. Yeah. There's not one priest in that song. I have a gig after Nick has a gig. I get to hope. I hope I get to meet Stephen Baldwin. I think he's going to be there.

Oh, because that's today. That is today. That is today. Nick is. Yeah. You can take. Are you dressed to impress? Did they really? Yes, they did. They did. They did. They did really sit. They did. Stephen Baldwin is on the new season. It's pretty sad. If you're sleeping on special forces, you guys need to watch it. It's a great show. No bias that our friend was in it. Did you watch it when it's on? No. No, season three, episode one. I've seen everything. It's really good. It's kind of better than in advance. Oh, sick.

Okay, so ruin everything. I want to say, you need to watch it. It's a good guess. You have Brody Jenner.

Like Brody Jenner and Stephen Baldwin are both like going like are we Kardashians? Are we not? Are we related? They're like, they're like, they're like, they're so they're cart dashing adjacent. Yeah. They're so they're like connected, but also exiled. It's also so funny to watch someone explain like why.

normal people should know who they are. You know, it's like if someone comes up to me like, why should I know you? Are you famous? Like, you have to then explain. That's always not what you said. And what would you say? Yeah, and what would you say? The sister of the cousin and then the brother of that, I'm related to that side of the... Do you feel like you would say like, you're TikTok famous?

Yeah, I mean, it's the easy thing. It's just easy. It's pathetic, but it is the easiest way to describe it, honestly. Do you then hand out your handle to get them to buy? I'd be like, yeah, but I'm working on it. Like, I definitely, I don't want to see online forever. I definitely want to act like that's an angle. But, you know, I started and I'm super grateful. Super grateful. I am. Yeah, it's a struggle. You really have it down. She's done this before. I've had to explain myself plenty of times.

Trista Sutter also is the bachelorette. Yes, Trista. Thank you. She's the original. She's also on it for all the bachelors fans. Who else? Who else is in the cast since we're just like naming the kind of Jordan Weber. Golden Tate. Golden Tate football. Golden Tate. Okay. Chrissy Carlson Romano. Okay. Kyla Pratt. Oh, Kaila Nicole. Kyla Pratt. Kyla Pratt was, um, what show was she in?

proud family one on one. Yeah. You're right. I did recognize. Caitlin Nicole is Travis Kelsey's ex-girlfriends, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Cam Newen. Cam Newen, another football player. Mary on Jones. Mary on Jones. Mary on Jones. Mary on Jones. You said Brody Jenner, Carrie Hart. Bicycleist, motor motor, motorbike guy. Landen Donovan. Soccer player.

Alana Blanchard and Stephen Bolden star Nathan Adrian movie actor as he describes himself. Did you watch all that? I just watched the first one. Okay. And the first episode is giving like better than Rojas by New York. Whoa. Well, that's not much to compare it to. Well, it's just like the whole. I was. I watched it twice. No, three times three times. I watched it three times and thoroughly entertained by Steve. Oh, I'm hyped.

Did you see Francesca Fargo and Jesse Sullivan had their twins? I did. And the news. Yes. Cute. I like Lockett. Do you like what I am? So Lockett and Blockett. I was just guessing. I don't even know. Lockett and poetry. Okay. I remember they were like, like hinting around names that they loved and afternoon was on that list.

Afternoon. It is like, I don't know if I want to share this because we might use it. Um, so I don't know if I want to let you guys, but it's afternoon. Oof. I never know. And all the comments were like, you know what? Me too. You can keep it. I'm a boarding person. So I never know if those are real or not, like if they're being serious. Lock it. Well, afternoon is insane, but I think Lock it is. Poetry and Lock it are sweet. Yeah. I don't know about, well, you know, I always try to think of like, like nicknames. Like, what are they going to lock and Poe lock?

Lock and po. Lock is kind of cool. Lock is kind of cool. I kind of do like love, maybe. I don't know what she is. Middle name is Lucia. I'm dating someone. They could go by this. His name is Poetry and you're mad at them. You're fighting Poetry. I love Poetry.

You're going through a break and be like, I wrote you a poem. Leave me alone. I will say watching her, it's just making me want another baby. I want to be back in the newborn bliss. I did see you post about that recently. I'm a different ghost friend.

Well, it's out now. Well, now it's everybody. You want another baby? How many babies do you want? I think we talked about this. I think I want a lot, right? Whoa, my God. I think four. And then you were like, we'll push a fifth up. We'll see if the fifth comes later. Yeah, I think, you know, we'll definitely see how the second goes around second round. But I definitely want a lot, I think. And I'd love to adopt some, I'd love to like foster some. Sounds like I heard. Yeah, I was supposed to. Yeah.

I just throw a three or four and open a farm and just, you know, I do want to open the daycare. So, yes. Oh, that's later down the road. We'll see. Okay. We'll see. But I am like, every time someone has a baby, I'm like, I could do that again. Charlie X CX or Jelly Roll?

I mean, I don't really know jelly roll. That way the transition was insane. I didn't even transition. I never heard any of his music. I know he's talented. I know like everyone like really. And I like his vibe too. I like his vibe. I've never heard it, but I went to a Charlie XCX concert. No.

Was it bright or sweat? Uh, it was sweat and Troy is also fantastic. Um, I felt like, well, like an old fart there. Um, everyone was jumping, uh, tired, bad knees. I think I would have even jumped at a Charlie.

No, no, but I mean it was fantastic. That's not That's not Charlie. Well, she is part of it. I caught an apology. Okay. She sings that song. Yeah, okay. I'm sorry. Wait, wait, wait. Could you sing it again? Just go ahead and apologize real quick. Yeah, wait. Just a real quick apology. Yeah. Wait, no. What song are we singing? I don't care. I love it. You're lying. Yeah, we did like a remix of that.

I think she's part of it. She's part of the OG song. Wait, didn't that song come out in like 2003? If she is, that makes so much sense. I love it as like Hana featuring Charlie X. Wow. Sarah, sorry. Nick, you taught me something. I'm not hearing from you.

We are. Wow, I am sorry. No, we are. Well, apparently he asked that question because Jelly Roll reveals any new interview with Pat McAfee that Charlie XCX and her team allegedly, these are some manufactured 40,000 album sales in an attempt to secure the number one spot on Billboard 200. That makes me call her a cheater.

Illuminate later dismiss the sales awarding Jelly Roll the number one spot on Billboard 200 with 161 thousand. So he exposed it himself. Jelly Roll said he was like, yeah, let's check it in cheating.

Yeah, shut up. He's like, so she faked that and it's actually supposed to be me. Man, I'm actually jocked, right? Yeah, I feel like she had to cheat. Yeah, exactly. But also, I know that he has a very, like, big, dedicated fan base. Yeah. Like, people love him. And a lot of his songs have been, like, really popping off lately, but haven't heard a single one.

I was gonna say, I don't know. What? They did ask me to go to his concert like three times. I was like, I'm good. Three times. Well, I like to give other people the spot. Like if they actually know the music. I do. Yeah. I did that once with Taylor Swift, actually. Or was it Beyonce? Huh? One of the two. I was like, you know what? I think it was Taylor Swift. I was like, give it to someone that like, you know. Tread lightly. That cares. Tread lightly.

We've got that. Can we? Allegations. It's just the legend. Yeah. Allegedly. That's a rumor. That's a rumor. Let's move on, guys. It's all music based. It's all music based. Did you see Brianna, chicken, fry, lapaglia, might be dating someone new?

I don't think she's dating someone who I think she's having fun. She was she just posted a TikTok of like her. It's like New York City sunsets and she's like cozying up with a new man. He's got like his arms around her. They're giggling. They're laughing. And someone was like, that was fast. And she responded like, well, I was being cheated on the whole time. So.

Is it really fast? Does she have a history like all good for her? She does have a history though. She says it that she like jumps from like very fast. She's a relationship girl. Yeah. I believe the line was like she like basically gets into the relationship while in that.

Oh, that's that was a life. She said it. I'm not if I'm making it wrong. Oh, it was a podcast with you. I think she and she was like overlaps. She's like overlaps. My relationships overlap. Yeah, I like her too. Yeah, she's another real girl.

And so that was the oven. He's like, that is cheating. He's like, I call it over laughing. Yeah, exactly. That's, that's exactly what I heard. I'm glad I didn't make that up because that's a real clip that exists. Exactly. She's super cool. I know we had her on the show. She is lovely. Yeah. This whole situation is fun. I can't believe that man thinks he is who he is because that is crazy. I mean, hasn't said a word just as posting like, yeah, I don't know. How tall is he?

Not tall enough. Do we know? I need a check just because whatever it says on the internet, take two inches. I was gonna say, what does it say on the internet? Take two inches. How tall are you? I'm five eight. No shoes. Rude. With shoes. Scott, let's talk about.

But if I was famous, I'm 5'10". That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I have no problem. But if I was famous on the internet, that's 5'10. Easy. 5'10. Yeah, you would say. It's like basketball players, you know? Well, Zach Bryan is 5'10 according to this. OK. OK. OK. I was like that. He's 5'7 for sure. That's the only respect I got for. Yeah, he added three. I'm going to add it up a little bit. OK. No, that was just curious.

You're taught in Zach Brian. I believe so. Yeah. My whole heart. Yeah. Give me some cowboy boots next to Zach Brian on his cowboy. That's true. That was wrong on my bones. That is true. Does he wear boots? He doesn't consider himself country. So I don't know. He wears boots. He's like finds it very offensive to call him country. Wow. Okay. Well, he's wack and he's corny and I'm

He gives short energy. So he does. Yeah, he does. She did recently say that she was like kind of throwing out the idea of maybe posting a video that she has of him abusing her. Whoa. Oh, yeah. Throwing stuff. Why is she teasing it like promo? Why is she taping it like a Jake Paul fight? It was because she was upset because he kept posting about the cat that he took. He like took the animals and what non-shoes like post my cat one more time and I'll post you.

sight-swiping something at my feet. Okay, I like that. Yeah, it is crazy because he has never posted. Well, if he got it, show it. But if not, just don't weaponize it. That's her cat, though. What is he posting about the cat? So he has never posted this cat ever once before. Not once has he posted this cat. He has a cat and a dog, the brown Labrador that he posts all the time. And I guess they got this cat together, whatever. We're gonna rescue the cat from the streets. So it's like her emotional connection with the cat.

And he has the cat and now all of a sudden, all of a sudden, this cat is all over social media. They always do that. It's like an abuse thing. They're like, just to let you know, it still happens. Yeah, that's that poor cat. Did you know? I was like, yeah, that cat is not around you. That cat has been seeing some shit. Oh, no, I hope she gets her cat.

Yeah. Yeah. Free that cat, Zach. Get that cat back. That's crazy. And free the video. Put him on blast. Honestly, if that's going to help her, I just, I, at this point, worry for her. Put it all up. I also feel like so many people are still doubting her and she's at a point where she's like, I don't give a fuck anymore. Like here is everything. Yeah.

All that shit makes so much sense, too. It does. I mean, that's why she just put it all out there instead of just tees, right? Like she kind of is. Yeah, kind of, but not just not actually not videos, which she got to get them out. Yeah. Well, a lot of people do have her back, regardless. Yeah, which is so cool. I think. Yeah. It was good to see the support. Like Dave. And honestly, really, all you really need is Dave. Yeah. When Dave Parnas got your back, your

As soon as he gets that ace of spades bottle engraved, it's over. Yeah. It's over. Once he got that name on that bottle, it's over. He does that for all of his enemies or something. Anyone who like, yeah, I mean, basically it's mostly towards like journalists who go against Barstool or something like that, like Deadspin and like a couple other. So when they get fired or the company gets bought out or goes in bankruptcy, he'll like pop the bottle. That's funny. But there's a couple of people like personal connections he does it with.

So did y'all watch Love Is Blind this season? No. I didn't. I feel like you typically do. I typically do. And I heard that the season was entertaining. Yeah, it was. Yeah. I think I started. I don't know why I'm yelling. I think I started. I think I watched the first like two episodes, but the first half of the show, like the dating thing is so boring and dragged out sometimes. So I think that's why I gave up. I should have kept going.

I heard it's good any tea any drama do you saw britney if you watch the beginning she was with the art dealer she's the like sugar baby. Yes, yeah, yeah, she was at a like my son show and he was like is that the love is blind girl and like called him out.

and then they were seen like leaving a restaurant like cozy like talking to his around his arms the paparazzi over the weekend it was like whoa got a new celebrity like a new couple alert wait and were they not did they not end up coupling so my son he's a artist I talk about I'm sorry well she came out single she came out single okay that's what I mean okay

But did she so basically it's coming out that she's had a boyfriend for I think it's four years and she went on love is blind to like get brand deals and like publicized herself. And then he dropped her up at the airport for like an L.A. trip to hang out alumni and now she's photographed with lots of sources tell TMZ that Brittany has a whole B.F. on the east coast. A hunk named Rocky Hawkins.

What a name. Can we have a do it? Is there a picture of hockey, Rocky, Rocky Hawkins? Sounds like a high school giant like a corner back in the movie with the lettering jacket on. That's always so interesting to me when couples decide that it's like, okay, well, they're like this kind of tracks though, but she seems to have a roster. There's rock. She's a fuck boy. She's a fuck boy. That's that's rocky.

Oh, no. This is Rocky putting her on blast. Rocky, you know, the sources are saying that Rocky's an absolute shock. And he is, and he's sharing that feeling with their entire friend. Well, he dropped her off at the airport for this trip, and then she was photographed. So I had to be shocked. I would be insane. And then, and then who's the guy? She's not sign. He's a good picture of him. He's a musician.

He definitely doesn't look like Tommy. He was dating our Levine before. I don't feel like that works for men. It seems to work for women.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. What are those other with the purple? Yeah, the purple. That's scary. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of grungy. I just feel like, Scotty, would you agree? Like if you were, you know, you're married and all in love and shit, but like in your single days. Yeah. If you found out a lady, we found out a lady that you were into dated some like celebrity. Would you go?

Would you be like, okay, I don't think you would intrigue me. I don't feel like it doesn't think so. It kind of pushed me away a little bit, just because I'm like, it's such a big personality. People like associate them, and then maybe I'm just this normal. We don't get hyped up by your exes. Yeah. I feel like y'all sometimes get a little excited about their previous roster.

who's changed. The ladies. Yeah. Sorry. I'm sorry. What? Yeah. It's like sometimes you get a little impressed about who their exes might be. Definitely not. I mean, not impressed, but we investigate for sure. We're definitely FBI agents. Oh, but if you found out that I did it, someone less attractive.

Are you saying Brittany might be doing this? They all are. What? All right. You know what I'm saying, Scott. I get you. I think maybe on that side. I don't know if it's like impressive. I think I just investigate who we date and you will have a strong thinking about it.

I could agree. Sure. Yes, I could agree with that. Yeah, we don't have an opinion whatsoever about your answer. Really? Okay. Is that true? Is that true? Well, unless they show up in our new relationship. Yeah, I mean, if it was like, who was that? No, not at all.

Okay. Okay. Unless it's like, who is John and why does he keep calling you? Exactly. Yeah, no, of course. Yeah. Okay. I mean, I don't think impressed is the right. That's where it is. I use a lot. Yeah, you care. But I care. Yeah, no, 100%. I care. I worded her wrong. Yeah. Yeah. I can't speak. Okay. The other thing about the Brittany situation is she's also allegedly part of like the perfect match cast. So she went on two shows and might be possibly having this boyfriend.

It's not a boyfriend. Rocky is there. Yeah. Yeah. They have an understanding. I don't know if they're on the same page. I don't know if the understanding is consistent. She's the fuck boy in the relationship. Right. This was the plan. She's a fuck boy. No, it wasn't. She was the one that they didn't even make it to like the like they didn't even leave the resort or something, right? They got engaged. And then the creators of the show were like, you guys are full of shit. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Wow. So I know who she is. Yes. Yep.

Yikes. Yeah. She's the fuckboy. Yeah. So she liked the big, she's the big topic this season. Not really. No. They won't go away. Honestly. Yeah. Yeah. Leo and her, they seem lovely and nice and, but like they won't go away. They're like, they're, they're still in the news for news that they seem to be creating like, you know, being seen at a concert with a,

Yeah, they're loving it. Yeah, and he's like making, you know, he's, they're just milking it. They're making their own. So like, you know, good for good for them. We're talking about it. Yeah, of course. It's done, right? That season is over. Nick, do you think Teddy Mellencamp is milking her situation? She is handling it not in a way I would.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, so for context for the people listening, so Teddy's from Beverly Hills. She was a housewife. Daughter of John Mellencamp. Yes. Cougar. Cougar. No idea. So a source told Daily Mail that the real housewives of Beverly Hills alum and her German-born horse trainer, Simon, had a month's long love affair behind their spouse's back. We're not even be confused with the actual horse. The horse trainer. The horse trainer. And for details, for context of this, no one.

The horse trainer, the horse. Got it. Yeah. For context. So the horse trainer missed. Imagine. We got it. The horse trainer missed his wife giving birth because he was in Florida cheating on her with Teddy, the house. Is that, is that, can we stop saying alleged it at this point?

But he definitely missed the birth if they know the reason I mean we could still say legend because teddy is also on her side saying there's two sides of every story. I mean she also posted a selfie to when we know when the kid was born and where he was. Yeah, not there's like Instagram posts of him like August 9th. Yeah, the kid does have a birthday. Yeah, you can make that up.

There was a horse event that happened like in the summer and like the horse community, I guess, is small and there was a confrontation that everybody saw, but it's just now coming out that there was an affair. Whoa. And what has Teddy said?

She's posting quotes. Yeah. Well, two weeks ago, she posted the divorce post saying we're separating. I want to get ahead of it. So specific words. And I prioritized my children 20 hours after like this news came out, she posted a selfie saying when you're being pushed into the shadows, always find your light comments were disabled. And then she went on her podcast and then said, essentially, there's two sides to every story. I'm going to prioritize my children. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good way to go.

And then there is a paparazzi stage photo of Edwin, her husband, comforting her on the side. How do we know what to treat? Can we see the photo? It's giving stage. Oh, no. But also it is her husband, or I guess soon to be ex-husband, who she was cheating on. So it's like, well, why would he be comforting? Yeah, they seem to be fine.

Who knows? I mean, these are messy situations that, you know, but it's more about the stage. I think we can. That's the horse trainers. A, a unique pick. I always, I kind of get the personal trainer thing. You guys are like, you know, but yeah, you see a guy like training a horse and you're like, that's just a little.

I guess it's just the time you spent with them. I don't know. The tennis instructor, the personal trainer. It's always a tennis instructor. If your spouse is hanging out with a male trainer, a legend. Oh, and Cassie. Yeah. Oh, Cassie also. Cassie with Diddy. They had a kid, her personal trainer. It was her personal trainer. I love that relationship, by the way.

most personal trainers. Yeah, I think it's just a it's a closer relation where if like you are looking to cheat, it's like, you know, they're like stretchy. They're all there. I'm here. I still sit in Russian. A horse and like, do you find a photo? Like a little, like, we don't. Yeah, the horseshit is not like turning anyone on. I'm like, that is wild.

We're searching, I can't find it. Maybe she wiped it off. Yeah, my beginning. It was everywhere before. It was interesting. You don't think what, like, what if her dad got the cougar? Like get this off the cougar. Yeah, I don't know. Can't find it. Wow. There was a horse event that happened this weekend though in Las Vegas and the ex-wife was there and Teddy was there. The ex-wife still had her ring on.

And Teddy went and just in a picture, she's kind of like looking to the side, which I mean, she could have been looking at anything, but also people are saying she was looking at her. Yeah. Or they were in the same room after all this news broke. Well, I mean, it definitely gives Teddy's doesn't care about the story going away, right? I mean, yeah, if you're being alleged to have an affair with your trainer who allegedly also just had a baby recently and there's a horse event. I mean, I know she's like, I got to be at the event. I guess. Yeah. Got to be there.

Got it. Can't watch it on TV. Skip it. But like, right? Oh, there it is. You show up for a public event. You know, obviously you're going to be standing on the side of the road with her luggage. One, he's like kissing her and holding her head. Whoa. Oh, so that's her, like, moving out. Yeah. They're trying to get out of there. Got one back. That's it. Yeah. She's not going to come for long. Yeah. I'll be back. Well, she's going to Vegas, maybe. Oh, she's just got a saddle in there. Just one.

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Just one big saddle and some one big saddle and some stirrups. Do you think there's any way they had like a open relationship gone bad? I mean, I know there's, I know there are like allegations of rumors spreading of like Edwin Moss, possibly also having an affair. How long were they married for? A while. They have like three children. I mean, listen, but that's the thing. It's just like pop off. If you guys haven't understanding that got a little out of control, but like other kids are involved.

Yeah, the, the missing that your son, your kids, son, daughters, the birth, like, yeah, that's wild. Oh, I mean, you can't come back from that. That's a choice. It's like you chose like whether they have an open relationship or not. It's like you chose that over your. Yeah. And even if it's like, no, I got to go train this horse. It's like, no, I'm like your kid's being born. She definitely has sat this one out. There's no cheating. Who Teddy?

Yeah. Do we know what the event was? I do. Was it? You do. It was the Las Vegas National Horse Show. Uh, did we know if Teddy's horse does Teddy have a horse? Why was Teddy there? She has a horse, but I have no clue what did she win? I did any. Do they place? Why was she there? Why did she have to be there? The day that all of this came out.

The day after she posted a video saying, well, at least like my horse won third place or something. So she's still following the day after that. That sounds like lost. My horse won third place. At least. She's an indirectly like referencing.

I got to say, your horse taking third, what did it make me feel? Yeah. I mean, I need that. How many though? How many horses are there? Five or was there hundreds? Right. Right. Because then that would definitely helps with the home wrecking accusations. Yeah, she should have got a different horse trainer to be young. She just did this one out. The rest of the Kenya Moore also switching gears has addressed the revenge porn.

Oh, well, I mean, okay, I'll say what she said. Did you hear about this? I don't think so. So Kenya Moore, she was. Oh, do I know? We're housewives of Atlanta. I know. She was Miss USA. She won it in the past. She's like Miss USA. She was like a classy housewife. And then this past season that they were filming until.

Something came out. Well, we knew at the time this past season she was removed from the cast halfway through because there was revenge porn of another housewife at her event. So when that happened, we just know that she wasn't on the cast anymore, and there were allegations of revenge. Nudes of another person were being distributed at her. I was going to say that at an event. Posters. That event. Posters. Posters.

And here this is listen to her excuse. So she came out and I did the TLDR for us. She was not fired. She's still under contract and she still receives checks from Bravo. She was never under suspicion of revenge porn from the network. And then what she said happened was things took a dark turn towards her, the young lady who's the other housewife took off her mic, screamed at her and Kenya felt threatened. Oh, Kenya is a victim.

She told producers she was concerned. She then didn't think they were doing enough. So she took matters into her own hands to find a receipt. And she said, like, housewives are known for the receipt. Though she did her research. And she said with a quick, like Google search, she found these videos that are allegedly her, the other housewife. And at her salon, she pulled up the receipts. She assumed it would be blurred out by the network. And she was not only protecting herself but her child.

And then she basically said hindsight is always 50 50 if I could do it all over a day. I think that's the same. Which is hilarious. 50 50 because in hindsight, honestly, it depends on whose story you want to listen to. Like hindsight is 50 50. Like you want to listen to my bullshit story or the truth? Like 50 50. It could really go either way. Does the woman who's nudes it was? Children? I think so. Yeah.

So it's like she's protecting her own children, but not. Is there also like a legal case against her? I feel like that. Well, so she was saying like there was not no actual like investigation against me. It's just she said that Bravo wasn't in looking into her for revenge porn. And then she basically was like, even though I distributed it to people in her in life in the world, Bravo decided not to distribute it to their audience. And therefore I'm good.

And I don't think that works that way. Yeah, she's going to get a nice action. I mean, well, the people out the event would have still seen the. She also admitted to doing it in her denial. It's a definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, do they have existing beef? So this is the housewife that she had the alleged revenge porn of like.

She's a new housewife. So they brought a new people. She was younger and I guess she chose to go up against one of the OG housewives. And I, from what I remember, like what the new housewife was doing was saying that like Kenya had a gun and like owns weapons. Oh my goodness. Yeah, there was a couple. There was a lot of beef that happened. So then Kenya just escalated it with photos. Yeah. Who's the, uh, do we know the other girl's name? Brittany Edie.

I heard a little bit about this. Really wild. Hindsight 50-50. Hindsight is so good. That is the funniest thing. I'm going to get that kind of meaning. It's like 127. She's like, you know, in Hindsight, you know, I would still maybe do it again. Half I would have. I would. That's what she just said. It's going to be like, I would never. What happened? Well, it's all about Hindsight is 50-50. Like, which story do you want to hear?

That's wild. Yeah. The backstory. Yeah. She's going to get to yikes. That's a bad one. I mean, she didn't mention Brittany's name and her accountability interview. She did. No, she just had like the other woman, the young lady. So I'm sure there's some legal thing attached to that. Yeah. That's awful. Yeah. When stuff like that happens. Yeah. Is that ever happened to you? No. Oh, no. No one's ever been like, yeah.

I'm going to know. Not yet. Well, just stay. Just stay solid and just stay good. Hopefully we're together forever. Yeah, right. She would. I would have the craziest love come out. And where do you even get those big? Just as fair. Like, what the hell? No, no, no, no, I have some high stage 50 50. I'll do it again. I don't care. I'll do it again.

That's wild. That's always awful, though. Yeah, no, that's fucked up. Anytime you make it on the internet, if you don't want it. You don't want it to be on the internet. Well, it's good to see you guys. Always. No, it's so happiness. Next, we got Joan and her sexy new man, Chuck, to talk about their love affair. And then when we come back from that, we'll be breaking down the real housewives of OC, reunion part two, and Salt Lake City.

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He is. How has it been so far? You guys enjoying the whirlwind? How has it been kind of being able to be in public and kind of celebrate your love? Great. We haven't been in public that much. We've been doing press for two days. So this afternoon, we're like finally free. We're headed to the airport. We get to ride in a car together. Actually, last night we got to go to dinner. So that was kind of our first ever out in public for dinner, which was fun and like kind of weird.

And we're headed to New York City for the weekend just to relax and have fun. And then on Monday, we're going to be looking for an apartment. What? Yeah. Sorry, an apartment. Oh, what? Yeah. You're just going to have a little place to meet up when we're not in Maryland and in Kansas. Amazing. Chuck, I also can I just say you look excellent in a suit. Oh, thank you. At the proposal in the reunion. I will tell you, that's the tightest suit I've ever worn in my life.

You look good. It was all the right place. It was a power suit, man. I liked it better than the shorts. I'm, uh, yeah. So I, I, we're more suits. You look great. Thank you. I appreciate it. What has this been like for you, Chuck? As Joan kind of guided you through the kind of the, the fame that comes with the spotlight, you know, you seemed very serious with this whole process very much there for love.

There for the right reasons as they say, but obviously what comes with this whole experience is the attention. What does that experience been like for you? Well, I am the reluctant gee lister. And, uh, you know, I had no idea what I was getting into. Never been in front of a camera before.

I think I handled it okay. You know, there's some guys that are obviously better at it, but not one of the guys on the show was looking for fame, not one of us. But Joan has, I've asked her to help me take the lead on things, especially with the media and all that. She's very experienced with it. And she's been great. She tells me what to wear, what shoes, what socks. She lets me say what I want to up to a certain point and then she'll give me that look. It's like we've been together for three to five years. I mean, she's already got me figured out.

He's a kind of a natural he's like an easy person to talk to so the interviews blow like you can tell he's just easy to be around. Do we have plans for the holidays? Yeah, we do. So talk and his two kids who are adults are coming to Maryland and joining my Big Fat Greek family and

Um, we're having Thanksgiving and we're also doing it for Christmas. So our kids are, um, like similar in ages and they are all like really looking forward to having like this new set of step brothers and sisters. And you know, I think it's going to make, I think it's going to make the holidays more fun, but already fun holidays are going to, like they're going up, you know, we're raising the level. Listen, I know you love more people, more the merriers, Jones saying I feel like, right? Yeah, it's very true. I love it. Like the chaos is welcome.

I always wanted in my life and now i have it yes you do john i'd love to hear a little bit more about your and chock's first date at disneyland it seemed like that really solidified your connection with chock i invited him on that date specifically because i want to see if you know we can have fun together because we had really good conversations.

already from the first night at the mansion and I got off that train, pulled in, he was standing there and he was so handsome and we just started talking immediately. The rapport was quick and it was almost like we were having a date and nobody else was around, the cameras faded away.

Even Disneyland faded away a little bit as hard as that to, you know, for that to actually happen, you know, it's the happiest place on earth. And we were having a great time, but it was like so much more about like our connection and getting to know each other. So, you know, that was like the first, you know, time that I thought this could really happen on this show. I could really find somebody.

And chalk, you know, I feel like most people go on the show go for the experience and kind of open to finding love because you never really know. And people say, you know what you signed up for, but until you get into this crazy experience, you don't really know what this whole process really is. At what point were you kind of realizing that, holy crap, you know, Joan is someone I could fall in love with, you know, and when did it feel real for you? Because again, I got to imagine while you were open to finding love, you didn't really know what to expect until you showed up and got to meet Joan.

Well, I had never even seen one episode of any bachelor show. Okay. I wanted this thing completely new. I had no idea. And at the end, I could have gone back and looked at some because I knew I was going to go on the show, but I just want it to be a new experience. So my expectations were pretty low. Just say, Hey, it's going to be an experience. Let's see if you could find love at Disneyland is, you know, I got back from that date and I was like this person special.

And we had that bond and it just continued to grow every time we were together after that, but it was Disneyland 100%. And it just wasn't, you can't manufacture it. It's just like one of those dates where you, you meet someone and you're going, wow, this is, you know, you're attracted to him, but you can just talk to him and you feel like we had so many common goals.

Common principles common beliefs and it just worked out fantastic yeah well given the fact that you didn't prep for the show i am curious because obviously once you had that connection early on at disneyland you know you seem like a very respectful guy obviously you made a lot of friends but it must have gotten harder and harder for you to pretend to be.

Okay, with all these other men going on dates with someone you were clearly falling in love with and I and I must imagine because I've been in your shoes before you must have not taken those relationships as seriously But how did you handle that not being familiar with the process because obviously people have watched the show they kind of understand okay? She's gonna go on group date. She's gonna go on these other dates But for you having no idea what the show was how challenging was it for you to be falling in love with this woman and then watch these other guys go on dates with her and

I did, I thought really well with one exception. But to tell you how raw I was, I didn't even know what the first impression rose was. When my name was called out, I didn't even know I was going on the first one on one day. I'm like, what is this? What do I got to do?

And I was just, it was crazy. But one of the gentlemen, I don't want to mention his name, he came back from a date, he was just absolutely glowing. And all the guys came back and they were so happy to have the time with Joan, so respectful. And they said she was such a great person. But one guy came back and he was just absolutely glowing. And that one kind of got me because I'm going, do I have that strong of her bond with Joan?

And I learned later that it was a great date, but they didn't have the level of appreciation for each other that Joan and I did. But that, you know, I sat there and I go, oh, this hurts. You know, I might not be the guy. Interesting. That's fascinating.

What are you most excited about doing? Is it just sitting on the couch watching Netflix? Is it traveling? Is it walking around on the street? What are we excited to do? If I may, it's any and all of that. We're both very active people. We want to raise grandkids together. We want to travel. We want to experience life. We want to have fun in New York City, have fun in Maryland, fun in Kansas. And just keep it going and do everything.

We both have an appreciation for life. And hopefully we've got 30 years left to do it. We're both in our young sixties. So, but that, you know, that's a reality to going what you're healthy. You got to, you got to do what you want to do. Yeah. I think, you know, speaking to kind of to that, I am looking forward to going on, I love couples vacations. It's just you get away from like all your responsibilities. It's all about having fun and eating great meals and being in cool places. So I think that's like kind of what I'm most looking forward to, like the couple of vacations.

Pascal recently did an interview, and he kind of said, like, you know, he thinks that bachelor, especially for golden, should be pulling from the same city. Obviously, you'll live in completely different states. You're now talking about, you know, getting this New York apartment to have somewhere to call home together. Do you agree with that? Is it is it hard, you know, being settled in your lives in two different states?

like I have kind of two opinions about that one. So I get that, you know, you've established your lives in, you know, particular areas and that it's hard to uproot families. But I kind of look at it a little different way. I think that it's fun. Like you can make that a positive thing that you could spend time going to each other's homes and not, you know, even if you don't live full time together, you'd spend, you could spend a lot of

A lot of time together, you know, as long as you have the time, which we do at this age, you know, we don't have as many responsibilities and you have the resources, you have to have some money to be able to go back and forth and meet in places. I think you can make this like a really fun way to live. It doesn't need to be a negative. And it also doesn't limit you. And I know he lives in a big city. He lives in Chicago, I don't DC, you know, there are plenty of options out there. You're still limiting your pool of people and your person might not live in your state.

So you might need to go farther out and explore other possibilities. And the bachelor allows you to do that. It's harder to be one of those people trying to date outside of your state in just the normal world. But in the bachelor world, it's not hard. And as long as you know that there's going to be compromises, I think it's like so doable.

And you guys want to know about each other? I don't want to speak for Pascal because, you know, everyone has their own opinion, but through the casting process, they tell you, you know, that the person is from somewhere else. You know, and it's not like you're going in blind. I mean, you know, going through this process, you want to be on this show that the person lives somewhere else. And at our age, every one of us has connections to where they're living. It would be the exception of somebody said, well, I'm living in Tampa and I'm willing to move in a week.

And that might happen, but you know, going into the show, this is a strong probability. You're going to have a relationship that somebody could live 3,000 miles away. Yeah. Yeah. There were a couple women from Golden Bachelor that I was on that season with that were willing to move. They said they found the right person. So there are people that are willing to move, you know, you know, a lot of times your kids don't stay in the area where they were raised or where they grew up. They move. So some people are more flexible than others.

What is something you two, since you've been together, have had to work through as a couple? Have you had your first little bit of a disagreement? You know less about each other when you got engaged than you know about each other, because you're so little bit of time. But as you've gotten to know each other, what is something that's been kind of like, oh, OK, well, this is new. This is something that's kind of a aha moment that you've had to understand about each other.

You know, it's in all honesty. We really haven't had one of those. It's inevitable. It's going to happen. We had a situation the other day where we were dealing. I'm going to call it a vendor where I started. I got frustrated. I gave the phone to Joan. She handled it for a while and she gave it back to me. It was just a great tag team to do this. And those things happen. We, you know, they're going to happen, but we're going to work through it. And I learned that Joan's usually right. So I'll just support that.

We start from that assumption. That's wisdom, Chuck. Michael is to be the easiest person you could have ended up with. She actually says that. He said, I'm not going to be the easiest guy you've ever been with. And that kind of is true. So far, that statement was so accurate.

And I've been a great point in my life, everyone, that I don't need to be in charge. I've been doing business at a high level, had to make the decisions and all that. I'm kind of just, you know, I'm going to be Joan's bag carrier. And I'll do the laundry in dinner and I'll make sure we have wine and show you what's going to my plate on. You chose wisely.

I'm sure you guys get this question a lot. It has to be asked, probably annoying, but where are we on any type of wedding, planning, wedding dates? Are we just kind of pushing that out? I'm sure everyone's asked you that question, but we would be remiss if we didn't ask the question.

Chalk asks me it every day, when are you going to marry me? So it asked all the time. He says, whatever I want is fine with him. There he is, the easiest guy in the world. And I originally thought like I kind of wanted it to just be like an intimate wedding with just family and friends, which is easy to plan. I could do it quicker and sooner. Um, you know, I want to wait a little bit, like let us just be out there and live life for at least a few months before we start thinking about wedding. But now I'm thinking maybe bigger, maybe include Bachelorette Nation.

Okay. That's a, that's a bigger conversation and maybe a little harder to do. So it may, you know, may take a little longer, but, um, yeah, we're going to get married and I'd say it's in 25 early 26, you know, timeframe. Okay. We love. I just want to know who do you think will be the next golden bachelor?

We have talked about this. Between us, we probably have seven to nine of the guys that we think would be perfect. Each one has their own unique personality, skill sets, morals, characteristics. And I would, for me, I'd have

I'm going to say eight of them in a hat and pull one out. And the reason why is you've got Charles L that America absolutely loves, you know, the innocence that that guy has. Then you have fun on the other end with Jack and Keith. You've got the Devanair Pascal that America loves. You've got Jordan, who's witty, smart, athletic, good looking. You just have so many different, you've got Dan and the camera didn't do Dan any justice. That's one good looking man. I love Dan.

And Gary, you know, and I just, I don't want to admit anyone, but Gary's got this incredible loving personality. And I think up until men tell all Jonathan was like right up there, but he announced that he has a girlfriend. And that's the other problem that a lot of these guys are pairing off already. I mean, they become, you know, the world knows who they are. And, you know, they become really popular with the women. And I think about five of them have girlfriends already. Wow.

Mm. Exciting for them. Thank you so much, you guys. Congratulations to you both. So happy for you guys. Uh, I hope that we'll get a chance to catch up with you guys in the future, but best of luck to you. Uh, we'll see you at the wedding. Thank you. It'll be invited. All right. Take care. Thank you guys. So great to see you again.

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Okay, well, congrats to the happy couple, Joan and Chuck. They look in love. They look in love. They do. I'm happy for them. They look happy. And getting an apartment in New York is so chic. I know. They're going to last longer than a... Like a smash pad in New York City. Very fun. Why didn't you ask him, is this a smash pad? I should have. I'm sorry. I just was like, I didn't want to miss a smash pad. Is this a smash pad? Is this a pad where you're going to smash all the time? Feels a little intrusive. I feel like Chuck would have been a little uncomfy, but Joan wouldn't have giggle.

I feel like that is, that is correct. Well, we wish them all the best. I believe in them. I do. Yeah. More than I did Gary and Teresa. Yeah. I don't think anyone's going to be designing any type of. NDA divorce, pre, not green up. Anyways, congrats to them. Now is a good time to let you know that we have an incredible episode of going deeper this Wednesday.

Bronwyn, your favorite new housewife of Salt Lake City, and maybe Bravo Nation overall is with us on Wednesday. And she really gets into it with us. Everything. Well, really about her, just her background, her childhood. What she thinks of the women. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bronwyn is she's here to stay. She's here to play. And she came out swinging. We love that.

And I feel like since she is Rihanna's favorite, Rihanna will be tuning into this episode to learn more about her favorite housewife. We would hope so. So if you want to be like Rihanna, go and listen to the episode. All right. Well, we are wrapping up the vacation in Palm Springs. It was a

good episode. It was really good. It was because first we have the lunch of John Barlow trying to like mediate Whitney and Lisa. Wait, when they did that cut, I was so confused when it was like, oh, thank God, John handled the problem for us and handled our women problems. It's all over and they did the smash cut to credits.

That was so funny. It was so brilliant. Listen, the editors on Salt Lake City. They really cooked. They are so good. Mission. The Top Gun scene. The Top Gun scene, yes. And the newlywed game, like, so cute. They are doing the Lord's work. They're doing more than New York, that's for sure.

But yeah, I do think it's funny when men try to get involved in women's drama and they think like, oh, yeah, like just OK, and it's done. Just just ask her point blank. And that's what we tried to do. John did it the right way. But then also, John was like, well, Lisa's never lied, which Mary said in the after show catch this. She said, John and Lisa are going to break up when he claimed Lisa never lies about anyone because he's lied about everyone.

Yeah. Wait, Mary said that, but she was kind of joking. She was kind of joking, but she's like, who are you talking about? Cause that's not your wife. Like you don't know your wife. Because John was mediating the conversation, but also being like, well, Lisa doesn't lie. And even Bronwyn said it during the episode, she was like, if everybody's husband is telling you that their wife is in the mud with your wife, maybe you have to admit that your wife is also in the mud. You know, it's this like everybody, cause he had that in his soundbite. He was like, Lisa can't even sneeze without everybody coming for her. And it's like,

She she has some accountability that she needs to be held responsible for to you, but he lives in an echo chamber. Yeah, he lives in the lease a bar low echo chamber of she comes home and just constantly events about how she's victimized by literally everyone. Yeah, everyone appears the production company bravo when these.

Or maybe she doesn't. We're not in the house with them. I'm predicting. I'm hoping he picks and chooses his battles, but even at the end with the coach thing. And he was like, so you want to extend our time, be further away from our child for a 45 minute flight because of where you're sitting. And she was like, absolutely. He wanted to call her crazy. Yeah, I am too scared. He was way too scared. He's like, so.

I'm going to say common sense slowly and hope it's going to click. I do want him at some point to be like Lisa, this is crazy. Come on, let's not do this. Do you think there will ever come a day where John just goes, Lisa, shut the fuck up.

You know he wants to it's like I don't but he knows he can't he loves her though. He loves her very deeply. I just wish at that table he would have been like listen my wife isn't perfect none of us are. I want to admit my wife. He kind of tried to though when he was like do you think this good do you think this good okay we're done but also not enough.

I was really upset that what's Whitney's Justin? Justin? I was really upset he even kind of apologized. I know he dissed it to end it and just shut it up and just try to be done with it. But also if she felt like he was being aggressive, then we saw the replay. But you can't say, we weren't in Lisa's body in the moment. So if she was like, you did stuff, I don't know. That's dangerous. But honestly, maybe I'm being a little hyperbolic here, but we live in complicated, sensitive times.

And when we have video evidence of a guy not being aggressive towards a woman and we have a woman accusing of a man being aggressive when he's not, I don't like the narrative that she gets to bully this guy into admitting to something he didn't do. But it's like when someone says, you said that and that hurt my feelings, you can't be like, no, it didn't. Because you know it hurt their feelings. You could say, I'm sorry that hurt your feelings, which I would argue it's not an apology. Not an apology. But that's not how we apologize.

No, I'm just saying that's the equivalent. It was like, I'm like, that's not true. I didn't hurt your feelings. What was it? Do we know it is exact? Well, get to that. But before before we leave this lunch, Sean basically called Lisa borderline abusive. I've been privy to some of the abuse. I think abuse is kind of a strong. It's a very strong word. I don't. Yeah, it's overused for sure.

Well, then Lisa said, well, I just have a different way of thinking. You guys clearly don't understand me, which is always Lisa's clap back. Because even season one, she's like, it's not my fault if you perceive the way that I treated you to be a way of treating you back. And it's like, OK, well, she thinks she's so misunderstood. I do see that in a way. It kind of reminds me of like when I will say like.

Bitch to people and I'm not speaking like you bitch and like bitch and it's people you know some people don't you know I actually do that when we were I texted la la when we're at her I was at her event and I didn't see her anywhere and I said bitch are you hiding upstairs.

and that wasn't a mean bitch, it was like a bitch bitch. But you actually do that when you're playing, and it's pretty clear in those scenarios that you're being like, bitch, Lisa seems to be like, you fucking bitch, blah, blah, blah, and then two days later, tells a version where it's like, I was just saying bitch, you know? Yeah, I guess. She is one of our incredible television personalities.

She is. And I feel like if John were to have spoken up at any moment, that probably would have been the time for John to speak up and speak on his wife's behalf. Cause I would imagine John is around for also some of those conversations, right? Maybe. Or is he, is he, does he work a lot? What is John? But he's a CEO. He is a CEO. What does he see of, as Todd said, a mediocre teal around. Did you guys watch? He, he's the CEO of Lisa's.

Well, they're both their co like that's what he's the CEO. Well, I think they have other businesses, but like Vida is one of the main ones. Yeah. Interesting. And then they have like the spirits brand or the salter brand. Yeah. These are their companies to be. Yeah. They own it. He does a lot of work for it. Like throughout the season, he's like the one setting up the events with Lisa and okay. Parallel parking. But did you catch it when Todd said at the event, he was like, oh, like to his friends on not on the show, he said, they own like a tequila brand. And then they're like, well, doesn't everybody? He was like, well, yeah, mediocre tequila.

Yeah. Yeah, which we did ask Bronwyn about. So guess you'll just have to wait. I guess. And those and sometimes from what I know about like celebrity endorsements of spirits of some kind that often there is a whole operation.

I don't know. Maybe, maybe Lisa started this brand from the ground up and she is, uh, yeah. She owned her distilleries or she white label that she, you know, you should send those questions to Whitney and Whitney should ask those, you know, it would have been like Alibaba. Okay. Well, you on your distillery, you know, Alibaba stuff. I'm glad that Meredith chose a different conversation to have this episode.

We leave Palm Springs and go to Mary's house where she's checking up on her son and his wife, which I feel like we've got to stop with him. It feels very exploitive. It feels like he's very clearly under the influence in every scene we see him in. And I wish that like Justin and I re-wound this like six times.

Yes, it was like, she was going to hit it and he was like, do not hit that. Can you imagine Maryam Cosby talking about a vape?

And her hitting it in front of Mary and like, yeah, her direction. She'd be like, what is that? It does. What are you doing? It does make me feel sad because I'm like, he hasn't really been on the show. So part of me feels like Mary is just so desperate for him to have some sort of like wake up call or see himself on the show and maybe have some sort of realization because I can't imagine any other reason why she would put her son in that state. That's what I was wondering. What's the storyline? Because he's been on the show in seasons before, but like in a small capacity of like,

The narrative always seems to be like, well, he doesn't do anything like, oh, I just found out he married someone out of nowhere and they live in my house. I think she's genuinely like concerned for him. Oh, she should do anything it takes to try to get him out. I don't think it's like exploiting him necessarily. Is it the place to be concerned for your son on a national TV show where you're giving the world the opportunity to comment on him? That's not.

It's obviously very easy to judge and speculate to how we got to this point in terms of Mary and her son's relationship and specific is lack of say, let's say structure in his life. But I thought it was very vulnerable of Mary in that moment to just be like, maybe I spoiled him. I want to do anything I can to address this problem and just kind of say point blank to her son. Like I don't think you're ready for the world, so to speak.

And I don't know what to do, but I really want to get you ready for the, which is this, listen, it's a very honest thing to say to your kid and how we got to that point. I don't know, but that's probably the most honest thing you could say in that moment to your kid, which is like, I'm trying to have some sort of wake up call. You know, I thought it was very loving. I agree. Well, even when Mary said, like, I feel like it's my fault, like I'm not a mother, but I was like, I know that's something a lot of mothers like the guilt they have when something goes wrong.

When she said, I feel like I'm losing him to something like that to me where it's like she's making it very clear. Like she knows that this is not her son in the right state of mind. And he is 19. Like I looked up his age. He's still young, but I think it's a fact that he's not a college. He like married this wife in secrecy that now lives in the house and it is live in the room. Also, that's weird that like if I, I mean, if I were the wife, I would have left the room for that conversation. I would be like eating my fries and chicken in the middle of like marrying the son. I would have been like, this is not for me.

Right. Well, going through the checklist of what you've done today. I mean, she also seems like she's. They seem high as fuck. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they do. So it's just that it makes me sad because, and maybe it's like he, she's doing this so that he can watch it back and see how he is, but it's also, I don't think he is watching this show.

I think she's just desperate. And I think she doesn't know how to connect with not desperate for the storyline. No desperate for like her son to be okay. And she doesn't know what else to do. That's what I think it is. Yeah. And even then you don't know who's going to like reach out after seeing that and be like, okay, like this is maybe symptoms of what I think he might be doing or something maybe to move into a direction of getting help.

I don't know. Back at Palm Springs, we see that Bronwyn does, in fact, get her $4 million necklace. Good for five. Was it five? No, it was $4 million. $4 million necklace. Five at that point. And the earrings. So pretty much five. And they sit down for their anniversary dinner and it is like the weirdest vibe. It starts off like with these weird jokes.

Bronwyn caused their relationship like a miserable but beautiful. It's like, oh, okay. And they have a lot of jokes about like money and the black card and I don't know. She's almost teasing the sugar baby like storyline that Heather was perpetuating, but like she's giving fuel to the fire even though it's not a sugar baby situation. It seems to me that her and Todd have like a like Bronwyn sense of she's like pretty dry.

And I think her and Todd are just like both two really like dry people. And so she, I feel like she's fully joking. Oh, she's joking. Yeah. It's like when people make fun of us for our age gaps, like sometimes we lean into it and tell the same jokes that people talk about us, so to speak. And I felt like that's what Bravo was doing in her moment.

I think so too. I just don't think it came off to the other people at the table like that. I think they were kind of like, because there's like, there's mild tension here. It's an unusual engagement is what you said. I feel like those are rich. I feel like those are housewives. It's like when someone else tries to make a joke, it's an opportunity for you to be like, well, that's not funny. Yeah. And I think all these women know how to start drama. This is the Mean Girls Playbook. It's like, ew, that's weird.

Like that's how all this shit starts and that's all these like Lisa and Meredith and Heather are like the queen at is just being like you weird. Do not lump Meredith into Lisa and Heathers. I did point out to Mary the other day that she is.

No, I point out to Mary that Meredith has a law degree, but she's never actually practiced law. She has on the show. She's never actually practiced? No. She would have been too powerful. But she still speaks as if she's very legally trained in her vernacular, especially when it comes to the Sean versus Meredith podcast thing. Does she ever say I object?

What do you mean? I object, I object objection, isn't it? They say I object or is it just like objections speculation? He's watching the movie. He's watching like Mario, you know, like Dutch duty. And then we get into this whole Meredith and Sean of it all, which they rolled the tapes and Sean did say what Meredith was saying that he was saying she leverages her son and the community.

Yes, which I wish Angie would have spoken up and been like, you know what, we just had this whole thing where Lisa came for me about Elektra.

I'm going to shut this down. Like he, you know, he should not have spoken about your son. It's like she just got so pissed off because a lecture was thrown into the mix and it's like, and now you're going to sit by and like let your husband Finn for himself against Meredith when like he clearly was in the wrong. Yeah, which I feel like there was other things tied in there because he was like, it's my biggest pet peeve if I thought we were like good and we're not good and then we're not because they squashed the beef. So then it came back.

I mean, I guess. But then she, I mean, I agree. It's just like a complicated argument because Meredith is obviously coming from this at a point where like the whole like Jen and Brooks beef where Jen was literally starting beef with a child. Jen outed. Jen outed Brooks. Yeah. Season one or two. Yeah.

So she's very, very protective of him. And then, but then Meredith also did kind of squirming around call. Jen shot outed. Okay. So yes, but then it became like she was like, well, one of my assistants had the phone or the accountant was tweeting and

Either way, so it wasn't fully clear who said it, but it came from her account that Jen and Brooks had to have a sit down Jen was literally beeping with a full child Jen had apologized to Brooks. It was a season one or two. Yeah, crazy. Yeah, so she doesn't only hate the elderly. She hates the kids She's the kids too, and I could be fully wrong here and I could be playing devil's advocate But I'm like I'm wondering if what Sean is saying isn't so much that he thinks he was saying something bad about Brooks in the sense of like

saying what Meredith did involving Brooks, but not actually speaking about her son. He didn't say anything disparaging against Brooks. Brooks is mentioned in the sense of you're using your son after calling me gay and being okay with ruining my marriage. You're now saying because you have an LGBTQ son that you couldn't be culpable for

inflicting pain on our relationship in the same way. Does that make sense? Yes, because I will say, I mean, I don't think Sean remembered what he said. Yeah, that's what the dinner, he's like, I don't really remember. Yeah. But I will say, I think he was right that Meredith did do harm and for her to just kind of get the pass even if she didn't do it, but the community did it. I agree. It's like hypocritical that she's like, quote unquote accusing someone of their sexuality versus like, it's okay because she has a gay son. Yeah. Someone from the community, that's my take. So I agree.

I completely agree with you. But on the Meredith technicality, she didn't say that. She said, you want to talk about the husband? She implied it heavily, but never actually said it. Monica was the one that said it. She got Monica. So that's where Meredith is lawyering is where she kind of like hints at it and then gets someone else. Meredith does it a lot though. She does. She's incredible. Every second. She's never left holding a smoking gun. That's just, that's how Meredith is. But I mean, there are tracks that if you really looked up, there's a little bit of evidence that like Meredith had her hand in shit.

Literally the blow jobs for jobs tickets rumor that was married and when he took the fall, yeah, I don't actually she's a genius. But if she don't know, she's messy, you know, I think so. I think it's you know, like I'm watching the season and then like, yeah, it's guilty. And then also before Jen got arrested, she was the one being like, I've heard things. And then the second they were like,

Yeah, you know the FBI. You talk to the FBI. She's like, I never said anything. I said, I know things. And it's like, OK, well, in the conversation I was talking about Jen, that clearly means something else. And she has her like inflection with like how she's it's the way. Yeah.

And she's just so incredible on the way that she speaks and I hate him. And then what do you think of Seth going proof beyond the whitening? That was so disrespectful. So cringy. It was bad. That was giving he wants to be a housewife. So badly. It was less disrespectful and more just like what year is it?

Yeah. And just call me a bitch. Just call him a bitch. Like, are you going to go home and watch an episode of Glee? Was that his way of being like, as a guy, I can't say bitch, but I can say be a yes. And then also Meredith after being like, well, he's fed up with like his wife under fire, like from all these women. And I'm like, no one's talking about you right now. Also, it was kind of cute though. I was like, okay, you guys have like marriage issues episode before. And now you're like backing up your wife with proof. Yeah.

It's also like Seth has said before that he tries to publicly make a fool of himself in order for Meredith to like look better. Look better. So I don't know. Well, mission accomplished. Does it make her look better? Well, this was different. It was when Meredith was having like death in her family and she was like going through a lot. This was like in Jen was

There's just all the gen FBI stuff going on. And Seth had said, I think he said in the reunion that he purposefully made a fool of himself in order to take attention away from Meredith struggling. Anyway, I don't know if that's relating to now. Meredith did say in the aftershow, and when people do this, it irritates me. She was like, well, the beauch was comedic. It was funny. It was comedy. And I'm like, to me, that doesn't work. You can't just say something wasn't rude by saying it's comedy.

but also she didn't react in that way. If she would have been like, you know, she should have been like, oh my God, he's joking. Like it's funny in the moment, but in the moment, in the moment, she's like, well, he's defending me. Yeah. So it's like, it's like, which one is it? Were you serious or was it funny? Also, what would you think of someone else's husband called you Biotch? Regardless of its comedy or not, I'm like, why are you calling me Biotch? Yes. It's only a joke of it lands and it didn't land. So bomb.

bomb.com. It does end with Lisa having the biggest hissy fit about having to sit in. Oh my gosh. I haven't had to fly close since I was 17. She says it. That's my biggest gripe with Lisa. And she says these things is if we're supposed to be impressed. Yeah. You know, I feel like I never left the house without getting makeup done. You know, and I'm always like, in these moments, it makes me like her the least I've ever liked her. Like the out of touch.

It's not relatable and it's not the flex you think it is. Yeah, it's not a flex at all. I think it became less of like a bit funny when you had like Monica on the show and you have Brahmin, that's a real money. And it's like, so now it looks like you're doing too much. Yeah. Do we think Lisa's just insecure? Yeah. Yeah, of course. She wants to present.

Mm. But even what Bronwyn said in the after show that it's like if you have all of this access, you have all of this money. Apparently the rumors going around that Lisa saying she has more money than Bronwyn and Todd that it's like, okay, then call up somebody and get a private jet here or get a helicopter or do whatever rich people do if you're so upset about your coach flight.

Yeah, if you're so rich about flying coach, you don't complain about flying coach. You just don't fly coach and you figure. You keep it discreet. You're like, bro, it was like by a porch. There's a porch dealership. She's like, just get a car. Drive it. Did you see Lisa posted on Instagram, like a walkthrough of her PJ? Yeah. No, Lisa's PJ.

It was like, I mean, I don't know if it's hers personally, but she had got a PJ and climbed up. Well, it's funny too, because she gave a little tour of a plane that's not hers. It's like her walking up the stairs, sitting in the sea. Well, so the after-show aired before she posted this video. That's how we know you don't have one. Yeah. I'm sorry, and I'm not trying to be a bitch, but I'm just needing to show it off, and it's like you've been on the show for four or five seasons, and I've never seen your PJ. You've given new money, mama. Thank you. I was. And we all know if she had one.

We would be seeing it all the time. I think she has connections to the two. Okay, that I could get behind. If she did that, I would be like Lisa Barlow, you've never done anything wrong in your life. Can I come? Here's what she was complaining about with coach is she was sitting like sardines. She couldn't move her arms and hands. There was lots of turbulence. You can smell the bathroom. And then she said, looking out the window, you'll live with the plane crashes because you're in the back. Well, that's a plus, I guess. And then she couldn't connect her sky miles.

Okay, several things. Several things here. First class is also by a bathroom. That's what I was saying. In fact, closer than most economy seats. Someone say sandwich. Yeah, neighbors couldn't move her arms and hands. So she was in the middle. Turbulence, like you feel like you only feel turbulence in one end. Doesn't it shake the whole plane? No, what that says to me is that you're usually a little tipsy we saw from the free drinks in the front that you don't feel the turbulence.

Yeah, it's also was like what a 45 minute flight. Yes. Like you go up and then you land. That was the part that really got me is the fact that it was a 45 minute flight. It's like pitch a fit if we're going across the country. Pit, you know, like from LA to New York, pitch a fit. Sure. I guess five hours, whatever. 45 minutes. You're mad. But you want to fly an extra 30 minutes back to LA to wait in LAX. Oh my God. To wait for a first class flight for an hour flight.

Maybe 55-minute flight from LA to Salt Lake. Also, she got 17C, right? She's not in the back of the plane. 17C. That's an aisle? Is an aisle or a window? That is an aisle. All Lisa is about. Her entire existence is to see what she's able to get other people to do for her. She just wants to see what kind of bullshit she can throw and see who she can get to comply.

Her number one complier, her husband, John, like Mr. Compliance. He's there. He will like, all right, here we go. Heather, she's right in there in the compliance department. She's just like, Lisa, were you cool in high school? Great. I need to be your friend. Doesn't matter how you treat people, whatever.

I feel like in that moment, Heather would have been like, bitch, get on this plane. You are not going to fly to. In her ITM, she would have talked some shit behind Lisa's back. But to Lisa, right there, she wouldn't have said it. Well, and not to be a Meredith, but to answer your question and to agree with that, there are lawsuits out there of friends and business partners that were complying with Lisa and giving her stuff. They never got in return. Lisa just wants to see what she can get people to do.

Also, Bronwyn posted that she had actually gotten the second set of first class tickets for the two single women that were supposed to be coming. So Brittany and Heather were both invited on this trip, but she refunded the tickets, but I don't know who she gave the first, the other first class tickets to, but.

Probably no one. She was like, no, she was like, yeah, never mind you guys. Well, because they were sitting with their couples. That's right. That's what she did say. Yeah. And it would be in favoritism. But like, I think it is kind of interesting that she also did think if she was going to give anybody first class, she would have given it to Heather. I think it's nice. Yeah. Did you notice that in the after show? And I think this is kind of interesting that Lisa and Brittany are paired up. So usually it's like the friends, but like Lisa and Brittany are like kind of the outliers that they were kind of like, that's me just saying, like, let's have you guys sit together.

versus like doing a single one with Heather paired up with Meredith. Yeah, Heather is a producer separating Heather and Lisa because you'll get a more honest Heather. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. And Heather and Meredith are around each other. It's actually like pretty chill normally. Brahmins under a lot of flock right now because of how her husband was talking to her. We get all those answers tomorrow. We address a lot of her and Todd's relationship. In fact, most of the relationship, most of the conversation is about it.

that relationship and some of the fire or controversy or criticism that she has found herself in with her husband. Is Todd really the Todd father? Is Todd the Todd father? Find out tomorrow. Yeah, on going deeper. All right, Real Hospice, Real Hospice was obviously Alexis makes her entrance. She did.

She's not religious, but she's spiritual. No, not only is she not religious, she finds that word to be, what's the phrase? She went from being in a marriage where it was God children. No, God spouse children. God spouse children.

to finding the word religion to be a negative connotation. There's like non-sack religious, really? I think she said it on a negative connotation. I think she said the word religion. Religion? I kind of get it, though. I kind of get it. But I get it when she's saying I'm spiritual, but believe in God. I was going to say, this is the same woman that was so offended by Jesus' jugs, and now she's wearing it with pride.

Well, not to jump ahead, but her saying, I've been on TV for 15 years. To Shannon. Has she? The first time I've ever heard about her. Well, she's been on, what is it, four or five shows? It was like some number. Way back when? Yeah. She was on TV 15 years. Which Shannon was like, you're just a friend, Alexis. And she's like, I've been on TV 15 years. And it's like, you're talking to a group of women that are still on the show. Ten years straight. She destroyed her. Yeah. Why didn't realize Alexis was a full-time house while I back in the day? Yeah. I had to look it up and I was like, oh, I guess she was, but still, five to the rate was her seasons.

Before Alexis does come out, we get a little bit of the Heather checking out Jin's, the, the money, the dress. Yeah. The whole, like, I think Andy called them non-accountants or something. Something like that. Well, then who is it called Heather Amingirl? Katie. Katie. Shocker. What does Katie's deal with Heather? I don't know.

Well Heather just came for her about the children and the ten years ago things so Katie's probably like fuck this bitch. Katie's daughter's situation is wild though. Also my brother had the audacity to put her on blast and then come up to her while they're doing makeup being like I'm so sorry about that if you need anything I didn't mean it for it to go. I respect that. Which part are we talking about?

In the last reunion after she puts out the whole chase, Heather, when Heather puts out all the stuff about Katie about the 10 years ago following that man home, the stuff we didn't need to hear. Heather, Emily was about the giving up custody. Yeah.

when they finish that segment and Katie's clearly in tears Heather walks up to her while they're resetting and she's like, I'm sorry that it went that far like that I brought this up and it's like you have to bring it up at all. I do kind of respect Heather in that moment because she apologized for not knowing about like the full contact. Yeah, I feel like she didn't realize what she brought up.

But it's still it is you brought up something from 10 years ago, like sorry. That's you know, what's going to be your housewives do. No, Katie start this year. Yeah, but not the past. She brought up the paparazzi's.

paparazzi versus like her with her children in a car getting like harassed by a man and then like her children being taken away from her. That's a lot different than being like you stayed to paparazzi shoe at Disney like while you were currently on that show. Also, yeah, but then it does feel like Katie is really trying to like get the heat back on Heather.

because she was like, that's a mean girl thing to do to go up and check the price tag. That's a mean girl thing to do. And Heather's like, shut the fuck up. No, it's not. And then they break for lunch. And Katie's like, Jan, we need to talk. She's like, that was a mean girl thing to do. I would never do that. I think you should bring it. It is a mean girl thing, is it not?

Why are you going out of your way to look up the price of what I'm like? I would probably be like, oh, there's Jen's dress and then keep moving. Literally. She looked up the price. That's what I'm saying. And that's also an easy Google if you cared that much. So that's where it's like, you saw that, you took the extra step to be like, oh, and I can't wait to go run to Tamara. It's different if you went to Bloomingdale's and you're like, oh my god, that's the dress. Oh my god. It's $2,000. Like that's different. OK, but isn't it also kind of mean girl to like keep hounding a paparazzi story? She brought him up like someone. Yeah.

It's like they're all being mingles. I'm just imagining Heather who's been one of the OG's of the show and new girl comes in and plants this bullshit paparazzi story. Yeah, is it petty? Sure. But yeah, I could just imagine Heather being like, who the fuck is this person? What the fuck are they starting this shit?

And then she kind of, which kind of makes Heather's apology make more sense. Cause I do think Heather even agrees that it probably went a little too far, but she was like, this motherfucker is just like coming for me. I don't know why. And then Emily seems to like find the story and kind of tells Heather about it.

Heather seemed to know more about the story. I mean, I'm sorry, Emily knew more about the story than Heather. Well, Heather was like, I've read the police report or something. She's like, that's not what the police said. Emily was filling in the gaps though. She was clarifying the legalities of us, what she would care about. I don't know. I feel like Emily told Heather about it.

I disagree. I mean, but I will say the Katie's daughter thing is kind of wild. Like knowing that Katie's daughter is posting TikToks of like to the woman beefing with my mom and she's lip-syncing fake ass bitches who suck dick. I'm surprised this doesn't happen more. Katie laughed about it. I'm convinced that when Katie first saw that her daughter's TikTok, she laughed. Well, and then she said that she's had conversations with her daughter, which also I was like, so now you're throwing me under the bus as a daughter. She was kind of throwing her daughter out of the bus. Yeah, I was like, wait a minute. Wait a minute. I mean, her daughter, what, she said her daughter's 20.

No, she's around my yard. Yeah. I mean, like you have power. She has power. She's doing this all about choice. It's also like you just all you have to do is you're not like, Hey, you can't. I'm controlling what you post on social media. It's like what you post will affect my relationship with these women and will like therefore have people online attack me. So it's like you're protecting our family by not going on social media and being petty against these women. Like this is my job. I have to work with them.

And if you wanted to continue to have moments on the show, you need to not act this way and behave this way. I need you to delete it. I need to do blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever she needs her to do. She has some kind of authority over her daughter if she wants it. Now, maybe she's never invoked that authority. Maybe her daughter walks all over her. Maybe she, you know, I don't know, but she, I didn't believe Katie in that moment at all. She definitely laughed about it.

Yeah. Well, even if there's the clip of her son also going in on how mean Heather is so my clearly you're having these conversations. Do we think Katie's daughter is trying to get on that like nipple baby bravo show with Brooks? Well, they already filmed it. Oh, they did. Season two? Season two. Just saying. Or whether she's trying to get on the show or not. Maybe she is this very much. There are plenty. I mean, let's not forget that Bella and Gigi were originally just kids of a housewife. Yeah.

I watched her first photo. Kendall and Kylie were the little sisters. I was keeping up with the Kardashians. Whether it's trying to get on a show or not, she might be trying to use this platform to bring awareness to herself. Katie's daughter also has a big TikTok following. When it was interesting, when for a second, the drama tried to become between Tamara's daughter and Katie's daughter,

And I was like, why? We try not to keep the children in, but every second, we're bringing the children. The term is like, well, she acts. She hasn't responded. Well, it's like they don't want to bring the children in. They don't want to bring the husbands in. But then what is the show about children and husbands? So it's funny.

Is Alexis delusional? Yes. Yes. Yes. That a question. Well, once again, say Alexis and John nally might disagree with me, but if you're listening and you're out there, please come and share your truth. If you're so convinced, it's true. Why? I want to talk. I do want to talk to them too.

I just like I don't think they're gonna have anything relevant to say either, but I'd love to give and I'd love the opportunity to ask follow up questions. I just yeah, I just feel like they're on like an ever revolving same loop of things to say over and over and over again. They say the same thing for each other.

to each other about each other. It's just like we have people on who I might not be like the biggest fans of. And then you meet them and you're like, oh my God, they're so kind and nice. And like maybe this is not, you know, like we always say we reserve the right to be wrong. Like maybe we've been wrong about them. And I just feel like I won't be able to be like a nice unbiased host. But to hear the thing, we have to do that, but have the BFFR conversation with her.

to be like, no, no, no, no, no. You can't say that Shannon didn't win when she clearly won, you know? Yeah, I know. Be a hostile interviewer. That was false. Because that was also wild when Shannon was kept saying, well, I won the case. I won the case. And she's like, you didn't win. You didn't win. And it's like, first of all, what are you arguing? Because you brought this up.

Shannon was arguing semantics the whole time. I'm sorry. Alexis was arguing semantics the whole time, the whole like, well, you know, when Shannon's smoking gun, which was the text messages of clearly Alexis, like including herself in the potential lawsuit with her original husband,

She's like, he asked me to send those messages. I didn't want to. It's like, they came from your phone, you text. And then it became, well, he was going to sue you anyways. And it's like, did you just say a second ago that you were doing that so he wouldn't sue me? No, it's all crazy. It's all just nutty and she's never.

I think she's going to be like this is her only season right now, right? Like there's no season going forward. Well, it would just be the same story again, right? And I don't think anybody gives a shit. The alternative is a redemption area with Shannon, but to Shannon's defense. I don't think she should have to film with Alexis. No, she shouldn't.

Yes, Shannon should definitely hold for whatever card she has. I mean, she made it pretty clear when she was here, she refuses to film with Alexis. Sure, but there's, there's saying that on a podcast and then there's being in negotiations and saying, I'm not going to do this and Bravo saying, you know, it's a game of chicken and Bravo could be like, well,

Then don't come. I saw something. I'll boycott the network. If I don't get Shannon back for another season. Alexis is a friend of us. It's potentially a game of chicken. It's easier to say on a podcast. There's always a price to everything when someone's throwing money at you or suggesting they're going to take it away. I did see something of it was someone estimating the salaries of the women for the season and Tamara made more than Shannon did. In my head, I was like, that doesn't add up. Why is Tamara making more?

I mean, Tamara's been there longer. Oh, has she? I mean, she was paused. I don't know how many times. Yeah, I don't know how that one works. Do we even know or is this all legit? It's estimated. So you can ever sell this is. I mean, they estimate it based off of last season. So it's like roughly like I remember then they said there's like a mandatory pay bomb. But I mean, again, you know, you hear that they get incentivized for drama and they have some sort of bonus structure. You know, say what about Tamara? She is very again. She does their job.

She even even when they were like calling her out this episode, like you go even lower and Tamara's like, yeah, I kind of do. Yeah, she kind of kind of felt like Tamara's like, yeah, I'm always willing to do what they ask.

I have a question. Is it valid for right before you start therapy to just like absolutely wreck everyone? So then you can like, like almost like a last, like a therapy, like the excuse of a party. Yeah. Yeah. She's like, when we get it all out, let me say all these awful things. And then I will go to therapy. Well, you know, therapy doesn't

work for everybody depends on how you approach it. She's approaching therapy as if I'm going to go in and I will be fixed immediately. Sometimes people get a therapist just to get someone to agree with them. There's that. Depending on who their therapist is. People do weaponized therapy.

Do we think Tamara won't do that? Oh, she already. Well, she might. Yeah, she is already been a journey for her for sure. Yeah. Well, she just started her therapy journey. So yeah. And hey, if it works out for her and helps her and makes her feel better and, you know, helps her communicate and all that kind of stuff, Godspeed.

Are we just on the, uh, let's just kind of wait and see when it comes to Jen at this point, you know, Jen is whatever at this point, dribbling, quadrupling down on her on Ryan. And I think this episode, she said, I don't think he did anything wrong a couple times. And so at this point, we just have to, she said, I promise you there's nothing coming Ryan's way.

And that might be true, since he, again, is getting immunity. And maybe, maybe that's true. It is interesting, Jen's deflection with all her jobs of, like, to Emily when she said, like, well, his parents pay for your life. And like this episode, she's like, well, were you faithful with your husband? And it's like, OK, she's clearly throwing things out there because I think she is also in a position where she doesn't know how to talk about it. So she's deflecting. Yeah. Yeah. And I, you know, but what Jen has

At this point, you just have to respect that this is the relationship that Jenna wants to be in. Yeah. Her friends, even that they, you know, there was, this was like a mini intervention. Yeah. Or even Heather was like, listen, we just care about you. We don't want to see you get fucked over. You know, that seemed like a very sincere moment when Heather was just like, you know, all of us, whether it feels like we're coming at you or not or whatever, but in all seriousness, we're worried.

No, I respected it too. Cause it's like, yeah, let me just say to you what we're all saying behind your back. And then there was it's all clear. I think Jen's also like, I think she's in survival mode and I think she's in love. Yeah. Cause I think like she even said before we got to the reunion at the end of the finale, like this is going to be a blood back. Like I don't like I left someone to be with someone that I love that supports me for who I am when my last person didn't support me.

And it's like she's in a really difficult spot. And do we know much about her original marriage? I don't, but you don't support her. All I know is that she said that he wouldn't really talk to her and spend time with her. And now since the divorce, it's that tenfold. So I'm giving right now. He is very upset about how she speaks on. I mean,

which all the women were like, you don't speak ill of him at all. Like we wish honestly that you would speak. I mean, it is her kid's father. So I think she does recognize that and respect him. I mean, she's only saying like he doesn't pay what he's supposed to court order to pay, which being a lawyer is really bizarre.

Well, it seems I would be willing to guess. He knows what he's doing. And he's doing it just to make her life difficult and he's dragging it along. That's I said, she's probably in survival right now. Yeah. It is just tough to get on her side, given who she, who's side. I think Bravo's on her little, not Bravo's a network, but I think the fan base is dominantly on genocide.

I also will say I loved when Andy told Shannon to not say whatever she said to get sued the first time because he was like, you'll get sued again. She said, no, I won. He was like, oh, you won? Well, that's why Alexis, like she didn't win. And it's like, no, but she did. Yeah. But I just like Andy, like protecting them legally, you know,

Well, it's time to wrap up. Thank you guys for listening. Don't forget tomorrow we have an explosive episode of going deeper with your favorite new housewife, bra and Newport. Be sure to check that out. You will not want to miss this episode. Also on Thursday's episode of reality recap, we have the hilarious comedian Adam Ray is with us. Plus candy muse, you're one of your favorite drag queens from RuPaul's drag race. She is also on house of

villains this season. We'll be having her on as well. All that and so much more. We'll see you then. Bye bye.