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In this enthralling episode of the podcast, host Charlie Rose interviews Donald J. Trump, delving into his career highlights, struggles, and the lessons learned from his experiences in business and real estate. The episode revolves around Trump’s comeback story following significant financial difficulties and draws parallels with Robert Kiyosaki’s ideas about cash flow management.
The Art of the Comeback
- Trump's Perspective: Trump discusses the concept of a "comeback" by reflecting on his real estate ventures and contentious moments across his business career.
- Taj Mahal as a Success: He highlights the Taj Mahal casino as one of his best investments, showcasing its record-breaking performance shortly after its opening, and notes that it contributed to a successful turnaround for his brand.
- Surviving Crises: Trump reveals that despite facing burdensome debts—peaking near $5 billion—he managed to stabilize his empire through strategic decisions and fortunate timing in the market.
Financial Insights and Lessons
- Impact of Tax Reforms: Trump critiques the 1986 tax law, arguing that it harmed the real estate market and many connected industries, including banks and savings and loans.
- Debunking Loyalty + Trust Issues: He reflects on loyalty, revealing that he learned who his true allies were during tough times, which shaped his approach moving forward.
- Debt Management: Trump discusses managing debt as both a weapon for growth and a potential downfall, emphasizing the need to manage risk effectively.
Key Concepts from Robert Kiyosaki
- Kiyosaki's Cash Flow Quadrant: The podcast also touches on Kiyosaki's concept which categorizes individuals into four types based on their income sources: Employee (E), Self-employed (S), Business Owner (B), and Investor (I).
- Debt as a Tool: Kiyosaki’s philosophy, shared in the episode, focuses on how to leverage debt smartly for wealth accumulation, advocating for education on financial literacy as vital for success.
Personal Growth and Reflection
- Learning from Experience: Both Trump and Kiyosaki underscore the importance of resilience and continuous learning throughout one's career. Trump recounts his growth through failures and successes, leading him to believe that adversity often breeds stronger results.
- Entrepreneurial Spirit: The discussion highlights the importance of maintaining a positive outlook, leveraging setbacks as learning opportunities, and having a determined mindset to pivot when necessary.
Conclusion
The episode of Charlie Rose interviewing Donald J. Trump encapsulates a fascinating view of the interplay between financial acumen, resilience, and personal growth. With insights shared from successful figures like Kiyosaki, listeners gain an understanding of not just the business strategies but the mentality required for success in challenging times. The narrative serves as an empowering reminder that comebacks, while often difficult, are achievable through strategic planning, education, and tenacity in the face of adversity.
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Welcome to our broadcast. Tonight we spend the hour with a man who's already left his own unique mark on the face and history of New York City. If Donald Trump is not in the news for a high stakes deal or controversial new development, he may be in the gossip columns with his latest relationship. But less than two years ago, the news was that the Trump empire was in trouble and some were quick to announce that the king had lost his crown.
Donald Trump, some say, is out to prove them wrong and is currently writing his third book, which is the art of the comeback. And that's what we want to start with. Donald Trump is here, and I'm pleased to have him welcome. Hi, Charlie. Nice to have you here. It's been a long time. It has. We're New Orleans back during the Republican convention in the little room talking about
actually talking about the challenge of the Japanese at that time. Exactly right. Exactly right. Now here is Trump the art of the deal and this is Trump surviving at the top and here is the casino journal saying gaming's greatest comeback. Here is, guess what, casino player, the comeback kid, Donald Trump's amazing turnaround and here is New York Magazine out this week fighting back Trump Trump
scrambles off the canvas. Bill Clinton, after the New Hampshire primary, went out front of, and had a press conference, and he said, even though he came in second, said, I'm the comeback kid. And look what happened to Bill Clinton. If you could translate that for you, where would it be, where would it take you to? What would be the equivalent of reaching the White House for you?
Well, I think just doing what I'm doing, Charlie. You know, I've had a really great streak over the last year. A lot of people went down. The economy is in a horrible condition, just a deplorable condition. The politicians destroyed the economy in 1986 when they passed a tax law that just destroyed the real estate industry, which in turn destroyed the banks and the savings banks and savings and loans. And I really got very lucky in a way. I built a Taj Mahal, whichever one said, that's going to be as downfall. The Taj Mahal, it's over a billion dollar building.
And it's turned out to be one of the best deals I've ever made. It broke records for the last three months. It won over $40 million a month. No casino in history has won anywhere near that.
all three of my casinos were rated four stars by the Mobile Travel Guide, and they're the only casinos in the United States that are so rated. So, you know, it's really been an incredible period of six or seven months for me, and it's really been gratifying. Now they all want to do the comeback stories and everything else, and I really, I think I probably care less about that than I would have maybe three or four years ago, but it's been a pretty good experience for me. Then how are you different than you were three or four years ago?
Well I used to say and in fact I think I said in my first book that and maybe this was foolish but I really meant that that someday I'd like to maybe lose everything for a period of time to see who's loyal and who's not loyal and I frankly I found out a lot of things. Did you find out who's loyal? I tell you what and you can't guess it you can't predict it you think certain people would be loyal no matter what and it turns out that they're not and you just you just can't predict it it's very difficult. What hurt the most?
Well, it's a whole different scene, Charlie. I mean, we have a situation where you have everything going, everything going perfectly. And then one day you wake up and the world is coming to an end from the standpoint of the economy. But I just think that I've had a lot of luck. I've had a lot of friends. I've had a lot of good friends. And overall, I've done really well with it. And I'm very happy about it.
I read all these numbers and this is not investigative journalism here. We're interested in what makes you tick and we don't have the resources or the manpower or the time doing a nightly show to do what somebody would do if they spent six months working on a piece about you. But you do have the brain. Help me with the numbers. Do you owe $5 billion? No, at one point I guess I owed pretty close to $5 billion but I had assets far in excess of that.
And they passed a 1986 tax law, which was just absolute stupidity by the politicians. But a lot of people supported that. I mean, Dharma, and Baker, and Bill Bradley, and a lot of other people brought this with the tax reform act of all time. And Jack Kemp too, did he not? I like Bill Bradley, and I like a lot of the people that you mentioned, and they didn't really support, but Bill Bradley did very much. And I have to tell you, he destroyed the home building industry in the United States. He destroyed the savings and loans in the United States. The tax reform act of 1986, really.
What happened is incentive was taken out of the real estate industry. And the industry is such a savings and loan. They based on real estate. And when the values went down and they plummeted, they absolutely plummeted. So the savings and loans had billions of dollars in real estate that now all of a sudden is one half the billions of dollars.
But you know better than I do is that during that time, I mean the savings and loan crisis came about because a lot of savings and loan lent a lot of money to developers that were bad loans and should not ever have been made and then all of a sudden. That's true and I have to tell you it's a hundred percent true but a lot of that was exacerbated. A lot of loans that could have been good loans were made into bad loans because of the change, because of the 1986 tax flow change.
And what that did is all of a sudden you had resolution trust and you're paying billions and billions, in order to save five billion dollars in taxes, we're now paying trillions of dollars to save industries and save banks. And some people have come along and made a ton of money because the resolution tries to mean. And some people may go, I see where Ron Perlman, the other day, made a billion dollars or something. Well, I don't know what he made, but frankly, he's a good man. I hope he did make a lot of money, but it's the government's fault. The government passed a very stupid law. They have to put the incentive back into real estate.
I think they're doing it. I think they're going to do it. It creates the other side. It is that people with great
entrepreneurial gifts like you, it gets yourself extended too far. Too much debt and too much extension. And then when, as it happens in America, there is a business cycle. And when the economy goes up and goes down, if you get yourself extended too far and you've got a huge debt service, all of a sudden, push comes to shove and you find yourself in a very, very, between a rock and a hard place. And it's that, the extending yourself too far that causes so many people.
to come to ruling. Well, I think you're right. I mean, I think I'm not going to, you know, not take blame for that. I think everybody takes blame for that, because anybody that does anything, the only people that don't get in trouble, the people don't do anything. Sure, if you play safe in no risk, then there's no reward. I mean, when I do things, I built the Taj Mahal. They said a billion dollar building, how can it possibly announce turned out to be tremendously successful? It takes time. You got to be able to get over the hump. Riverside South is going to be a tremendous success. Well, let's stop at Riverside South, though. I mean, first of all, what did you, here is one of the arguments made about Riverside South, that you faced a huge
opposition on the part of the planning commission. A lot of people who did not want to see a huge development over there. You turned it around and most people give you the credit for turning around, so you know, 9 and 0, why many people on the commission? I don't remember. Twelve zero vote.
How did you do it? And did you make so many concessions in doing it that it no longer is an economically viable project? Well, the only way you can talk about viability is what's going to happen with the market. Today, nothing's viable. OK. Today, nothing is viable. You could have the greatest piece of land in the best location in New York, and nothing's viable.
When I did the Grand High at Hotel, I will tell you, the hotel market was in shambles. Everybody said, Donald, you're crazy. And I was crazy. And I did it. And all of a sudden I got it zoned. I started building it. And by the time it opened, it was a tremendous job. But would it have been successful without the zoning and the abatement? No, it wouldn't have. I mean, it wouldn't have. But I got the zoning. But I got the zoning. Absolutely. And now what we're doing is we're
asking for certain things in order to make Riverside South successful. We have tremendous popularity. Every civic association virtually in New York is supporting it. But they're supporting it because of the concessions you made in terms of subway, in terms of how much power it's in all of that kind of thing. And so the question remains, can you deliver on it? Yeah, the bottom line is if the market comes back, you deliver. If the market doesn't come back, you don't deliver. Now maybe Clinton's going to come up with a housing program where you're getting a subsidized housing or something, in which case you do it in a different way.
We're looking to get zoning for a piece of land that's unzoned, that's employing no people, that's sitting there rotting, that's rat infested. And if I get the zoning, which I hope to be able to get, the city desperately needs the job, if the city turns around, and if the economy turns around, and if incentives are put back into real estate on a federal basis and a federal. No, there's always this. But there's benefits and everything I ever did. When I did Trump Tower in all fairness, people said I was totally crazy. It couldn't possibly succeed. It was too big, it was too expensive, it was too everything.
And it turned out to be probably the most successful condominium development ever in this country. And is it profitable? Trump Tower? Yeah. The most. I mean, it was the most successful development ever built in this country on a condominium basis. I will tell you, two years before I started construction, people thought I was totally crazy.
to do it. It really worked out to be fantastic. You can say the Taj Mahal, you can say Trump Plaza. I mean so many of the jobs I do at the time I'm doing them are supposed to be not good and they turn out to be tremendous. Who makes the decision as to when you go? Is that a decision made by you? Is that decision made by the bankers? No, no, no. And are you getting a parcel of those projects often? I'll tell you what, the city is lucky to have the bankers that I have on my job because they've invested a lot
They have confidence in me, they have confidence in the city and frankly they're very lucky because otherwise it could be a war, it could be a this, it could be a that and that would be bad for everybody. I mean I have some really great banks on this particular site and they've gone with me and they believe in me and I'll tell you what, I think ultimately the decision is going to be right and it's going to be a great success. You know what they say when you owe as much money as you did they become your partners.
But that's really a false thing because Reichmann owed a lot more money than me and nobody's partners with Reichmann. He was bankrupt. Reichmann's in deep trouble. Are they in bankruptcy? I want to be fair to them. They are in bankruptcy and frankly they're in just very deep trouble. My banks have had a great confidence in me. They know I'm good. They know I do it the best and they also know that I'm honest. But did they have a choice? They had a lot of money at stake. Were they assets enough there to get their loan back? I'm not saying I would have been easy.
had the other route gone, but I will tell you this, I will tell you this, they absolutely had a choice and they could have gone a different route, and very wisely. And what's the route they could have gone? Oh, it could have been a contentious route, rather than working with me, et cetera, et cetera. It could have been a contentious route, and that would have been bad for me, it would have been bad for them. They could have put you up against the wall and said, you owe us this money, you can't pay a back, we call the tune. They could have done that, and I think if they did that it would have been bad for everybody, including them, and I think they understood that, but more importantly,
I found out a couple of things about banks. First of all, I find the banks to be very, very underrated in terms of the intelligence level, the whole thing. I have worked with the banks now very closely for a period of two years and these guys have done a fantastic job, at least as far as my stuff is concerned.
I've done great for them. They've done great for me. And my thing, it's back. I believe that in six months, in 12 months, I may be stronger than I was two years ago or three years ago. I think I will be stronger than I was two or three years ago. I would like to see an uptick in the market. I think you're going to have an uptick in the market. Why do you think you'll be stronger? I mean, now that you clearly have given up equity. A very little equity. What have I given up? You know, the story is that I gave up equity. What have I given up? I saw the shuttle for a lot of money.
But, well, was that a, was that a, you made more money than you sold it for a moment and you paid for or not? No, no, no, I'll tell you what. You sold it for a lot of money, but didn't sell it, but sold it for less than you paid for. It's not a positive. I didn't reduce, not for less. I reduced my debt by hundreds of millions of dollars by the sale of the shuttle. And you sold it for less than you paid for. No, I didn't. You didn't. I actually sold it probably for more than I paid for it.
But it's a very complex formula that if you sit down with a pencil and paper, we can maybe figure it out someday in five years because it's a long-term deal. We don't want to bore everybody with it. But I sold the show like I'd rid of a tremendous amount of debt. I got rid of a lot of personal guarantees. The Taj Mahal, I haven't... Personal guarantees are unsecured loans from friends or what? No, personal guarantee is being personal guarantees to banks. We're personally guaranteed a piece of a loan.
Basically, if you take the Atlantic City properties, I have up to 80% of the Taj Mahal. It's the things making fortune. Now, I have no idea. Well, is it making a fortune? Stay with me and ask this question. Is it making a fortune or is it generating a fortune in revenue, but it has a fortune plus in expenses?
big fortune expenses. I mean, it's run first class. It's a four-star hotel. Okay, but that's the point. How much of this in the end is net net cash flow? How much is it simply that a lot of money is flowing in, but also out the other door is a lot of money going the other way. I mean, I'll give you an example. We'll have probably $80 million in interest. I think the touch could have a cash flow of maybe $30 to $40 million after debt. That's some cash flow. Now, that's a great cash flow. Now, what do I do with it? I do it with the West Side Yards. I do the Riverside South. I do other things.
But the Taj Mahals turned out very successfully. Trump laws, I own 100% of Trump laws. You know, there's this misnomer that I sold, like this, like that. I sold very little. I mean, when you think of it, I sold very little. But why didn't your friend Greenberg, from Bear Stearns, say he used to own 100% of assets that were worth nothing. Well, I see. He owns 50% of things and making a lot of money. What happened in Atlantic City? Well, there is a difference. And I own 50% of the castle.
But when I say I own 50%, I'm also paying much less interest because I sold 50% to bondholders. And in return for that, I got a reduction in debt, a reduction in this, and a reduction in interest. So it's making a lot more money. In Trump Plaza's case, in Atlantic City, I own 100% of it.
And that is turning out to be fantastic. I take your word for all of this. By the way, Charlie, I have to tell you, because of the fact and the big differences, and that's why you see in all the casino things, because of the fact that everyone is a winner, because if you're a winner, it means that they're a winner. Well, they don't want to see me as a winner, actually, because I have to tell you, when things started going bad, I was on the cover, but instead of my hands being up, I had my chin down. Nobody wants to see me be a winner. Let me just stay with that image for a second.
Was it embarrassing for you? They say about you. They took his toys away. They took his yacht away. Nobody took it away. I sold you. Did the banks put you on an allowance or not? Help us understand how bad it got for you and whether you were embarrassed and whether you said
Wow. Well, when you say embarrassed, I didn't love waking up in the morning and walking out. What could help us understand that? You were a guy who was the big one and all of a sudden the paper's fun of stories that's saying Trump in trouble. Trump, Golden Boy, no longer has Midas touch. You know, I'll tell you what the hardest part is. And the hardest thing about life to understand, in baseball, if you get 15 runs in the first inning,
And you don't get any more runs. You still have 15 runs at the end of the game. Well, it depends on what the other guy still does. Well, no. But generally speaking, you're going to win that game, OK? You know, it's as sad as it is to say. But you're going to win that game. No, it's pretty well over. That's the Atlanta Braves. OK. I mean, we've seen some examples. But anyway, in life, in life, I was 15 and 0.
And then I had one very bad year. Now I had a bad year, maybe it was my fault because, hey, it was a lot of people's fault. It was also the government's fault. It was a lot of people's fault. It was a lot of people's fault. Yeah, but you take some responsibility, though. Absolutely, I have to. Because I'd be a fool if I didn't. But I have to tell you, a lot of smart people are in real deep trouble right now, and I'm not.
A lot of people, really smart people, are dead. They're gone. They're buried. They're over in history. And one more time, why are they dead, buried, gone, history, and you are alive well and, as they say. Before I explain that, before I explain that, I just want to say that you have 15 great years. You have one bad year. And people judge you by your last thing. You're only as good as your last thing. You're only as good as your last article or what you've done lately. And that's it. I mean, you take a guy like Harry Helmsett. I mean, the man had 50 great years.
Then, unfortunately, he married Leona. I mean, this was like a major mistake. Here we go again. He married Leona. Yeah, yeah. Poor Harry. I feel so sorry. If you're Harry, get rid of her. Just leave her alone. Find a new woman if you can. But I'll tell you what, he married Leona. So now, all of a sudden, he has a couple of bad years to put it mildly bad years. I mean, we're talking about major. They don't say the score is 50 to 2. Well, it is the whole year. Go ahead. No, they don't say the score is 50 to 2. Yeah. As far as they're concerned, Harry is like this major failure. And that's a shame, because that's not the way life should work. It should be 50 to 2. That's a pretty good record.
Well I had fifteen great, then I had the one bad year, and one and a half, real bad years, where I had a fight. I mean it was a struggle, it was a survival, it was surviving at the top. I wrote the book, it was surviving at the top. And it wasn't easy, and it wasn't pleasant. Did you ever think you'd lose? Did you ever lose confidence? Did you ever say, I may not get out of this? No. Not once. Not once. And the reason I didn't say it is because I had to go back and do it myself.
I built what I built myself and I did it by working long hours and working hard and working smart more importantly than anything else is by using my own brain. And there was a point where I was making so much so fast and it was so easy that I almost got bored and it's true and I write about this. I mean I'm writing about this. It's really been an experience. I should believe you here saying in a way this was good because it gave me a chance to test myself. The adversity was good. It put me back and made me leaner and hungry again because everything was at stake and therefore I had to pay attention.
Well, I think I'll look at it in the future as being good. And when it was happening, I had no choice. I just had to do it. And I did it myself. And all of a sudden, I'll give you an example, Riverside South. I've had Riverside South for five years. I've had the land for five years. I went through a succession of executives that were in charge of Riverside South. A year and a half ago, I took it over myself. And as you say, I got a 12 to nothing vote. And you were told that I sort of did it myself. I did do it myself.
I mean, we can't believe everything you read, but I did do it largely by myself with a group of people, but I really spearheaded something that's turned out to be, I think, going to be a great thing. I really went back to work, and I really did things myself, and I think that's why I survived, and I think maybe who knows. Let me point out a couple of other things here at this time. You lost during this period three key executives.
And friends who were running, and then you went through some executives after that and finally put your lawyer in charge down there, right? Who's done a great job? You had a divorce. That was, you were the, fair to say, people were laughing at you about this divorce. And anyway, we were amused in the tablets. I was living in New York at the time, but we were amused by it. But at the same time, some people said, enough of this. I'm tired of reading about this kind of stuff. Oh, I would have loved to say enough. I mean, I couldn't help it. But you were feeding the columnists, too.
I mean, you had no conversation with all these people? You know, it wasn't a feed. It wasn't a feed. It was a frenzy. I have to tell you. And I wasn't feeding anybody. They were feeding themselves. They were making up stories. I called up one of the top people in one of the New York tabloids, and I said, hey, look, this is ridiculous. The story didn't happen. Don't put it in. He said, I know it didn't happen, but Donald was selling papers like crazy. And they knew it before the story was written. They put it in anyway.
And I think for 28 days in a row, I mean, you know, we talk about Woody Allen was a big story. This thing just swamped everything. This swamped everything. This was the biggest of the big. It was crazy. It was out of control. And I guess it had all the elements of a soap opera. Did it bring any satisfaction to you that during this adversity you were able to get out of the marriage?
At a time, perhaps you gave up a lot less money than you might have imagined you would do at another time. Yeah, come on. Yeah. I mean, a lot of, there were those people that say that I, I did this purposely in order to get out. Well, no, but there are those who said that you used that adversity as a time to say, you know, may not ever get any better. So you're better, you know, people were saying you better, make your deal now.
Yeah. True. I was very happy to pay Ivana what I paid her. I mean this was what I was supposed to pay her and this is what I did pay her because she, if anything happened a year ago where I went down the tubes where I really would have ended up with nothing, she and the children would always have been taken care of and that was very important to me. I mean at the time, don't forget I was being sued for two billion dollars at one point. By her. By her. Right. And that was going to be a nasty contentious suit and frankly had I not had it litch
I would probably not be on this program right now, it'd be a divorce court. If you hadn't been down to the bottom, you hadn't bottomed out and put some pressure on her. It wasn't a question of pressure. I mean, there was a point where she probably felt I wasn't going to make it. I mean, there was a point where a lot of people felt I wasn't going to make it except me.
You to promote this notion. I mean, look at this picture here. I mean, you like this. Isn't he handsome? You like this, don't you? No, I don't know. But is it good for you to promote that because it says Donald is back and all of this stuff about scrambles off the canvas in a sense is good for business. So therefore, you're promoting that image. You want people to believe that you're back.
I mean, as an example, it's late in the evening right now. It's not that you're a fantastic guy, and we did this down in New Orleans, but in New Orleans, it was during the afternoon. It was really much more pleasant. Right now, it's late in the evening, and here we are doing an interview. It had a heck of an interview, it is. I hope we're going to have a good time. I mean, I hope you get good ratings, too, than anything for you to know. Yeah, exactly. But I'll tell you what, it happens to be... Or why in the North, you go ahead. That's right. It happens to be great for business. I mean, the fact that it's coming back,
Now, it would be nice of it with the other way. If you have problems, it wouldn't be nice of everyone. But apart from all that, come on. Ego. I have an ego. Of course you do. I've never met a successful person. Nor have I. Nor have I. People dream about it. Mother Teresa has an ego. Absolutely. So you're bigger than you would ever believe. Well, I've never had the pleasure. But nevertheless, I mean, part of it, you love the line light. You love beyond the business and what it does and the whole sense of the Trump image
You like it. You like the fact that there's security guys coming ahead of you and sleeping behind you. And there's this adulation and women want to be with you and wherever you go, there are flash bulbs and all of this kind of thing. You like it.
I don't mind it, I don't mind it. Oh, don't mind it or it relishes. I'll tell you what, I used to like it more. I still like it. I probably would miss it if it weren't here. Because you grow accustomed to it as part of your... Maybe. It's been sort of wild, but I also think it's great for business. I mean, it is great for the casino business. It's great for the condominium business.
Hey, they just came out with a report, the Qualcomm report, the Trump apartments in New York, sell for more on a square foot basis, which is really than any apartments in New York, by far. It's not even close. And a lot of that is all of this nonsense. Let me talk about people you ought to say sorry to, if there might be. One is, and I'm talking, one, I raised this person first, that guy in Philadelphia, you know, who they say you got fired.
Now, you remember the guy who did the stock of the analysis? He did great. I mean, he came out. He did well. And now he's my biggest champion. OK, but you got him fired. You can't. You got to look back at it. I can't help that he's fired. Oh, no, come on. Did they fire me because of a call from you? I have no idea. OK. Really? I have no idea. I mean, one man may have lost a job because you leaned on his.
Because he's a tough guy, he's a savvy guy, he's come out great, he's a stock analyst, and he's now my biggest champion. He's saying it's the greatest comeback. In fact, he used the word brilliant. I hate to tell you this. What's his name? His name is Marvin Rawson. That's right. And he was a great critic of me, and now he's saying that this was one of the most brilliant things I need to say. But you did him a favor by getting him fired? I think in the long run, I think he's probably doing better now. So you did him a favor.
indirectly. I wasn't looking to do him a favor, but I think indirectly. But don't you regret that? I mean, you know, I don't regret it. This guy loses jobs. No, because that's life. You can't look back. I don't, like, look back. No regrets there. I mean, there's no one that you'd say now. If I had it to do again, would I have done things differently? Yes. What would you have done differently?
I probably, instead of stopping with the sale of the St. Moritz where I sold and I made a lot of money, I probably would have sold some other things. I think I would have treated people differently. I think that some of the people that were most loyal to me are people that I didn't think would be. Some of the people that were least loyal to me are people that I think I would have treated them differently. I think I would have treated different groups differently. I would have wiped the floor with the guys that weren't loyal, which I will now do, which is great. I love getting even with people.
I will. You love getting even. Oh absolutely.
You don't believe in the eyes of the eye. You do. I know you well enough. I think you do. But anyway. But tell me, you're going to get even with some people. I know it's given the opportunity. If given the opportunity, I will get even with some people that would disloyal to me. I had a group of people that would disloyal. How do you define disloyalty? They didn't come to my aid. Well, what did they do? They turned their back on you? No, but they didn't do small things that would have helped. They didn't do large things. Give me one example.
Well, I had a one man who frankly was on the board of a company that I was selling and it was a tremendous sale for me. It was a great sale. It would have been a very helpful sale and it ended up going through. But one of the things is that I had to take. It's a shuttle? No, this was a different company. It doesn't matter which company. And it was a great thing for me. But one of the things is I had to clear the board. Now, I only put him on that board because of the fact I thought I was doing him a favor. He got some money by being a board member, et cetera, et cetera. He contributed nothing.
When it came time, I have five board members, when it came time to be to removing the slate and getting all my people, everyone said, I'm leaving. Steve Balenbach, all of you for everyone left, except this one particular person said, I don't want to leave. He told my people, I don't want to leave. Well, when I heard about it, I went nuts and I blasted him and all of a sudden he left.
But I consider that a great act of disloyalty. I put him on that board. Now, he did leave. I mean, he did leave. It's a little like Andrew. I mean, Andrew ended up in favor of Riverside South. But for all I had done, I had never asked him for anything. This is a great job. This is a job that he should have been in favor.
He had to do a poll in order to find out whether or not he was going to support it. But how can you get even with Andy Stein? It's not a question of getting even. I can certainly be disappointed in certain people, and I was very disappointed. Yeah, but you've already said an eye for an eye. I mean, he gets you. You're going to hit him back. Well, I might. I might ask you to hit him back. We'll see. Hey, time will tell, I guess. Are you looking for the opportunity?
No, I'm not looking. I'm just really so disappointed in him. I'm disappointed in other people. And I was disappointed. I was disappointed in this one man that didn't want to get off. He got off. No, he got off. He got off after being hit over the head with a cannon. What was the cannon? The cannon was me. And he ended up... What was the threat, though? Did you blast him in the paper and that was enough? Or did you say... The threat was just a strong threat. I mean, he would have gone through a lot of hell if he didn't get off.
And then he gets off and he acts like he does me a favor. He gets off. He got off maybe at a fee. You owe me, Donald, because I'm getting off the board. Yeah. And it was like one of the great jokes of the century. But it ended up that he got off and the deal went through. But that doesn't mean I have to love this particular guy. It doesn't mean I have to love him. I want somebody that's loyal from the beginning, not somebody that's loyal because they're afraid or because they're this or because they're that.
And I've had a lot of instances like that, but, and I think, you know, and again, I think the new book, and I don't know why I'm promoting a book that's not going to come out for three or four months. I mean, I don't want to waste a lot of time, but I think that the most interesting aspect, that's right, we'll do it when you go national. We'll do that for the national. Forget the local stuff. I don't know none of the local stuff. It's important without the local stuff. You don't do the second step. Exactly. But the truth is, I think the most interesting aspect of that book is the loyalty area, the loyalty chapters. I think that you measure loyalty in terms of your own relationship with Roy Cohn.
You feel like you stuck by Roy Cohn, and you showed your stripes by doing that. Well, I don't think I showed my stripes, I think. You see, I'm so loyal to people. Maybe I'm loyal to a fault, but I'm so loyal to people that when somebody slightly disoiled to me, I look upon it as a great act of horror. Who are you going to support for mayor?
Well, I think David Dinkins, I have to tell you, has done a real good comeback. You know, you talk about comebacks. David Dinkins has done one hell of a comeback in the last six months. And you saw what happened to Los Angeles, and you saw what happened. People really like the man. I mean, I've been with him, and I've watched him. And he has really become a very popular guy. And I think he's going to be very hard to beat in a lot of ways. Now, I have to tell you that a year and a half ago, nobody went to run against George Bush. It took a man from Arkansas, who was the only one, virtually one of the few people who wanted to run.
Because George Bush was unbeatable. There was no way you could beat this guy. And he turned out to, you know, he just ran out of gas. It looked like David Dinkins could possibly win reelection a year ago. And then you had less than a lot of other things. And now he's in a much better position. Well, he's done a great company. You support him over Giuliani? Well, I'm not, I'm not announcing who I'm supporting. And I don't think it's even relevant. I just think that Dinkins has really done a great job in terms of coming back. And I also think he's a great human being. I think he's a very fine guy. Did he help you on the planning commission?
He helped me, but he was tough. He was strong. He was very community oriented. He was very much for the people in that sense. But when he gave me his word that he would now support the job, he really lived up to that word. There was also a guy on the political scene that's your name, Ross Perot. Eight billionaire. Would you once a billionaire?
I was, I don't know, I was projected as being a couple of times. You made up, you were worth the cup because I saw that at least 900 million, but did you actually have a net worth of? What did you have yourself up to?
I don't know. I had myself up to maybe what I have right now. I don't know. Nobody knows what I'm worth. What's the Taj Mahal worth? What's the west side? I have no idea what I'm worth. What was it used to say about the plaza? You said this is a trophy. Therefore, it's a different place if it's a trophy. If it's a Beth in unique, then people pay a premium for the Beth in unique. People don't buy trophies so much anymore.
That's true. 1988 trophies were great. 1990. What did you pay too much for that trophy? Probably. No, I'll tell you what. When I bought the plaza, I was offered a huge profit a year after, and brilliantly I decided not to take that profit. Who sold it to you? Was it the masses on there? There was a consortium of people. The masses were involved. And I have to tell you, truthfully, I'm very happy with my purchase of the plaza hotel. I think it's working out fantastically. I think it's going to work out.
You know, adversities are a very funny thing. When you have adversity, it's like in golf, it's like in sports. Everybody, it's a question of how many bad shots do you hit? Not so many good shots, but how many bad shots do you hit? In other words, minimize your bad shots. It's not a question of getting, because everybody's going to get in trouble. It's a question of how do you get out of trouble. I think the Plaza Hotel is going to turn out to be a great deal for me. I mean, it's already turning out to be a great deal for me.
But that sporting metaphor may be correct, because in golf, if you were playing and you got to go over the water to reach the green, sometimes you don't make it over the water. Sometimes you don't. And then it can put you into a bogeyman. But hey, but that's not where I am, although I could have been. You're not in Bogeyland, but are you back to par?
You're not even that part. You're at least a bug here. I think, no, I think, again, I tell you this, and I make this prediction. I think in six months, I'll be stronger than I was three or four years ago. Whatever might be. That's a birdie. I believe, what I did is I restructured things in the early 90s and the bad times, and now it's turning out to be very good. I believe that I'll be stronger than I was two years ago, but who knows? I mean, let's see what happens. Let's see what happens with the economy. Let's see what happens with the
Ross Perot had a $3 billion who was willing to spend it and got something, I haven't seen the last tally, maybe 17 to 18 percent of the vote, 19 percent of the vote. There was a time in which you wanted to tease America that you might be, you want to run for president. Well, people said that. I never did, but people said that. You didn't go to New Hampshire to test the water. You didn't know that the influence of Roger Stone say, you know, this is an interesting idea. Let's go up and see what we can do.
I really went to New Hampshire because they wanted me to go to New Hampshire, and they wanted me to go to New Hampshire. But you knew that your appearance there would generate the talk? Well, I certainly did generate talk. But you knew that your appearance was generated? No, I didn't do it for that reason. Charlie, I didn't do it for that reason. And I had no idea how much talk would be generated. And I had no intention of running for president.
And I wouldn't have an intention of running for president. I will say this. Ross Perot, he made some monumental mistakes. Had he not dropped out of the election, had he not make the gaffes about, you know, the watchdogs and the guarddogs and everybody coming at the house and, you know, three or four, if he didn't have three or four bad days and they were real bad days,
He could have conceivably won this crazy election. You'll get some political people who are smarter than you and I both about politics will say the same thing. Oh, I believe it. He could have made it a very competitive race. He was up to 42 points at once. But at the same time, whatever it is that made him generate $2 billion, which enabled him to do as well as he did in part, in part. He was very effective in the debates and had nothing to do with how much money he had. At the same time, maybe you have to take the good with the bad and part of the personality makeup that happened making $2 billion also made him the way he is about sort of
the paranoia about the paranoia may be created some of the money but it's not necessarily good for the drive it creates both see one of the problems with politics and politicians is that you really can't have done very much wrong and that means you can't have done very much because if you're doing a lot hey I do a lot of things and most of them turn out good but some of them have to turn out bad and it's you know they they'll hit you with a little bad and it makes it a little bit more difficult Franklin Roosevelt I think once that Arthur Schlesinger was here the other night and I'm not sure he said this but I think that FDR once said I'm proud of all my enemies I've earned them
What enemies are you proud of? Well, I'm proud of having a guy like Ed Koch as an enemy because I think he's a major loser. He did a lousy job as mayor. He's a promoter. He's very much of a promoter. He did not do a good job as a mayor. He got very upset because after eight years of trying to build a woman skating rink, I was able to do it in four months for about one-tenth of money that they spent.
And instead of thanking me, he took great umbrage to the fact that I was able to do this. And I just wanted to have my kids go ice skating in Central Park. I got tired of watching these people sitting on their, I'm not allowed to say S's in this program, so of course I want to say. But I got tired of watching these people just sitting down and not working and not doing it right and having no planning and no leadership. So instead of thanking me and saying, Donald, it was a great job.
He went around saying, well, I think we could have done it if we did this, if we did. He was not. So, Ed Cox, who else? I think he was just an engineer. What other engineer are you proud of? I'm not proud of enemies. I'd like to have them. You know, I'm the kind of guy that has great friends and great enemies. And somehow, but I'm not proud of them. Because your father steal the seminal influence in your life.
Well, I have a great father. I have a wonderful father. He's somebody I love very much. I wouldn't say he is. I'd say my mother and father maybe isn't. Together or? Yeah, together because I have just. And why did they influence you differently?
Well, they're very different people. My father's a very business-oriented guy, but a very good man. I mean, if somebody came up to my father on the street and said, I need $100, I need $200. And my father is the softest touch when it comes to people that really are in trouble. He's really a very great humanitarian in that sense. But he's a strong man. People would think of him as being called, but he's not called at all. My mother is openly warm.
I mean, she's just a wonderful woman. Except when it comes to Mike Tyson. Except when it came to Mike Tyson. It took 40 years. And finally, she came out and she said something. But she's a fabulous woman. She made you like yourself when you were growing up. She really did. I mean, by her love, reinforced your sense of self. She really did. I mean, she's a some woman. Greenberg, again, in this New York Magazine article, said about you. He said, if Donald gives you his word, it's good as gold. However, he said,
And he said that sometimes I have a bad memory. That leaves you wide open to, you know, it leaves you wide open to the fact that, and I have a photographic memory, that's the problem I have. Exactly. It raises this question, can you trust what Donald really says? Because his memory may be short. Yeah. Now, I think he meant that, jokingly, he's a great friend, and he's a great gentleman. And I think he meant that, I think. But perhaps he said some bad experiences. I don't know.
What brings you the greatest satisfaction there? Is it conquering adversity or is it something else? Well, I used to think just continued success, but I got bored by it. Yeah, enough and enough is not enough. Enough, enough. And then I really think that right now I'm just really proud with the way I've handled things. I really think that I've handled things well from a business standpoint. And somebody who steps forward and says, you know, this is just Donald's hype. He's a giant promoter. He hasn't come back. I mean, times have turned a little bit around. You know, he's sold off some assets, but it's not the great comeback that he believes it is.
Well, all they have to do is look at the numbers. I mean, you look at the numbers in the casino journals, and you look at the numbers, and it's been a tremendous comeback. And I'm not saying I'm as far back as I will be in six months. I mean, I'm really back, and I'm not in any trouble, and I'm doing well, and I'm making money. Money is a scorecard for me. Money is not as important as people would think it would be to a guy like me.
It is a scorecard. So what is the most important thing to a guy like you? I think the way I've survived the quality in which I've lived under the survival mode, the image I've portrayed during the survival period. People haven't seen me go into a corner and put my thumb in my mouth and say, I give up, I give up. This kid doesn't give up.
And some people did give up. I have to tell you, Charlie, and, you know, they're not going to be doing interviews with them. But some people did give up. Many people gave up. And many tough, smart killers gave up. They just gave up. They said, I can't do it anymore. So I think the way in which I survived was very important to me. Art of the comeback, soon to be out. And what you're going to be out in the beginning of my three or four months. You're writing this alone?
I'm doing this one alone because I really want to get my flavor. I've had two wonderful writers. My other books were both number one best sellers. I'm doing this alone. I want to get my own flavor. It's really become somewhat of a passion because I think people are going to learn a lot from it. Good to have you. Have a good time. Thank you very much. Thank you. Donald Trump is back.
On a rich dad port out, I came out in 1997 and I said, your house is not an asset. And I drove people nuts. He says, what crazy on me? Because that's a common belief. But when you can't make your house payments, you find out. It's the biggest liability you've got. And what many of it's like. It's turned out to be very much more correct than you even thought when you look at what's happened to home prices.
And Donald and I love real estate. I love real estate. I think it's the best thing going, better than sliced bread. But if you're not smart with it, it's like a loaded gun. You know, you can protect yourself, we can kill yourself with it. So real estate is, to me, the best vehicle, but you've got to be smart with it because we're using debt.
And debt is a two-edged sword out there. So you use debt, I use debt, but the more debt you use, actually you have to be smarter. So you can use debt to get richer. You can also use debt to wipe you out. So that's why, you know, I continue on saying we need financial education to just say to somebody, get out of debt. Well, that's not accurate. You use debt, don't you?
That is a great thing, and to be big and to be very successful, that is a very useful weapon. But you have to be very careful. That's correct. So the other thing, when people say live below your means, you don't like to live below your means, do you? No.
And I think when you say to somebody, look below your means, you wipe their spirit out. It's like saying somebody, if you want to lose weight, go on a starvation diet. It doesn't make you healthier to starve yourself. So I would rather get financially educated. That's why I read your books, because this is my greatest asset. I want to feed my brain so that I can expand my means without getting into excessive debt or where I start to lose.
because debt is a two-aid sword. But telling somebody to live below your means is almost inhumane. I never felt good doing it. I wanted to strive to do better every day. I want to do better every day. I liked a good life. Like I tell the story of
taxiing underneath your jet. I was in my jet, but it was a little Learjet. I look up and there's a 727, the night taxi under it. I said, holy mac. It's big boys and their toys, but nonetheless, it inspired me. I said, OK, I'm in a Learjet now. It's time to step up. And it doesn't mean the jet will make me happier. What makes me happier is the wanting to get better, to get smarter, to do better.
Well, I'd have a friend who was not successful at all, but was really up and coming. And he had a thing. He would only fly first class. I'm not saying do this because for somebody it won't work. But he needed that mentally. He wanted to fly first class because mentally, he wanted to think he was the best, and that's it. And even though he didn't have much money at the time, this is years ago, he would always fly. He used to criticize him.
But it put him in a good state of mind. And he became a very, very successful guy. Very, very successful. And I've always remembered that. He would never fly coach. He would always fly first, last, even though he didn't have the means to fly. So look, it's complicated. But whatever it takes to train that. Whatever it makes you feel better about yourself, stronger, more confident to want to do better. And I think, really, that's the issue. And we're at the stage of our lives right now.
You know, to ask for more is not really it. But to do better, to feel better about ourselves is still important. It is very important. So that's why I don't like saying live below your means and scrimp and all that because, you know, shopping is fun. Nice, nice houses are fun. At the same time, you have to be very careful.
Yes, but you have to be responsible about it. When you invited us up to your little duplex up here, whatever they call it, we walked up there and I've never seen a two-story, entire floor home in New York City. My wife, Kim, says, I never thought, I never really don't live in a condo, but she says, Mr. Trump's house will do. It is spectacular.
And I don't need that room. I don't need that. If I had one nice bedroom with a good television set and a nice bed and you don't really need that.
But it was in a building I built, and it was there for the taking. So I figured I might as well do it. And what have I done? Instead of selling the equivalent of 12 or 13 units, I kept them. And by keeping them, I have them. I didn't sell them. And that's OK. And it's become a very valuable place. So I didn't need that. I don't need it now. But there's something nice about it.
And that's my message is, achieve it, and then you can take it or leave it. But if you don't achieve it, then it's always something away from you. So again, that's why I'd be redundant about this, living below your means. I don't think that makes your spirit happy. It kills your spirit. Also, if you don't have the financial education, when somebody says your house is an asset or these mutual funds are good or the stock will go up,
And you don't know the difference between a good investment and a bad investment, because real estate can be a bad investment, stocks can be a bad investment. If you don't know a good investment advice from bad investment advice, then you're going to get taken. This world is not kind, should we say. The hardest thing that I've witnessed over the last year is seeing people that were very hardworking and very conservative, that invested in the stocks. And I'm not talking about high-flying stocks. I'm talking about very solid companies.
And their net worth is 50% of what it was a year ago. And they haven't done anything wrong. Now, they put their money in stocks. I guess you could say that's wrong. But it's really not wrong, though, because historically, that's been OK. So they went into conservative stocks. And a year later, they're worth 50%. And all they've done is worked. And that's the hardest thing I've seen. That's tragedy.
The thing that I want to say is this, you can invest in gold and lose money. You can invest in real estate and lose money. You can lose stocks and lose money. You can invest in oil and lose money. You can also make a lot of money and all those things. So really the reason we get together is because your financial intelligence, your financial IQ makes something valuable or not valuable. Like I said, you have to know a good investment from a bad investment, good advice from bad advice. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you. You're very kind. Thank you. Thank you. Please take your seats. Please take your seats. Thank you. Thank you very much. In the world of business, it's another thing my rich dad pointed out to me. In the world of business, there are four types of people.
And E stands for employee, S stands for small business or specialist. B stands for big business like Bill Gates and I stands for investor. Our school systems do a pretty good job of educating us for here. So my poor dad always said to me, son, you go to school so you can get a job. So that's an employee's mentality. Good benefits, 401K retirement plan, blah, blah, blah.
My mother on the other hand, and I used to argue with my dad, I don't really want a job. And my mother would say, don't argue with your dad. And I said, I don't want a job. I want to be independent. She says, why? I said, mom, I want to be rich. My mother was a registered nurse. So she said to me, she said, son, the richest people I know are doctors.
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Yes, yes, yes, and yes, Aaron Antis, you now run Oklahoma's largest home building company, one of the largest home building companies in Oklahoma. I'm now an entrepreneur with multiple different businesses and both of us, we both read this little book called Rich Dad Poor Dad, 20 some odd years ago and it changed our lives. You were in Michigan, I was living in my mom's
basement, again, completely buried in debt, had no sight of how to get out, no college education flunked out of college. And I was at an oral Roberts University dorm room. You had no idea how to achieve success. And I read this thing called the cash flow quadrant. It said we have to become a great employee. And then we have to become self employed. And then after that, we get to become a business owner. And then we get to become an investor. So here we are, both of us are investors. And we get to interview the man
The man, the myth, the legend who created a cashflow quadrant. Robert Kiyosaki, welcome on to this rap time show. How are you, sir? Boy, you guys are already pumped up. I've never moved to Oklahoma. Anyway, thank you for the kind words. I've been at my old age to have young people like you saying the book changed their lives.
Yeah. Um, it's probably the biggest, spiritual juice I get, you know, it's because it changed my life, changed my life. I've probably purchased conservatively a thousand copies of your book, given it to folks. And so I wanted to do was I wanted to tap into your wisdom on part one about the cash flow quadrant. Cause we have a lot of people listening to the show that will become the future generation of entrepreneurs that we can save capitalism in America.
Uh, sir, can you walk us through the cash flow quadrant? And I think it's embroidered on, on the chair behind you. Uh, sure. It's right there. There it is. Yeah. Oh yeah. But this is, this is my, uh, etching of it. And E S, E stands for employee, S stands for self-employed small business or a specialist, like a doctor or a lawyer. It also stands for smart person.
And then B stands for big business, according to the Internal Revenue Service, is 500 employees or more. But B also stands for brand, like McDonald's is a brand. And brands are very, very valuable assets. And then I stands for investor, but it's actually an inside investor. And so when I was a kid, you know, 10 years old studying with my rich dad, he would walk me through this and be talking about your mindset.
So on this side is my poor dad, you know, go to school, get a job. This is, he was a PhD in education. This is my mom, she wanted him to become a doctor or a lawyer. And I said to my mom, the only problem with that mom is you have to be smart. She says, you're right, guess you're not gonna be a doctoral lawyer. Cause I didn't, I really didn't like school, you know. And then so my rich dad was over here and he was building a massive, massive business throughout Hawaii.
So when you go to Hawaii today, if you look at Waikiki Beach, you'll see the Hyatt Regency Hotel. Rich Dad as an inside investor assembled all that property, and another investor took it off his hands and built the Hyatt on it. So I watched both my poor dad and my rich dad. I watched my rich dad get richer and richer and richer, but my poor dad get poorer and poorer and poorer.
Now, I want to ask you this, Robert, the, you know, for somebody out there listening right now, if they're an employee, okay, and let's just because I'm going back to my 18 year old mind, I was working at Target, Applebee's and Direct TV. I was doing a poor job at Target, a poor job at Applebee's and a poor job at Direct TV. And I read your book and I'm going, I have to do a good job because I need to be able to get ahead to become self-employed. What would you say to somebody who's kind of stuck in that rut of their always late
Never getting things done. They're self the perpetuating cycle of fail employee right there. What would you say to that employee right there that's kind of stuck in that rut right now? Yeah, but it goes deeper than that, Clay. The numbers here stand for taxes. So this is worldwide. They're pretty much worldwide. Employees pay about 40% of their income in taxes.
The small business entrepreneur pays 60%. Now, when Biden wants to hire 87,000 IRS agents, he's going after this guy. These guys are already screwed. I mean, they take their taxes out before you get paid. But these guys here, the IRS has to go after them. So the small business guy is going to get screwed by Biden. I mean, I hope I'm not Republican or Democrat. Trump is my friend.
But these guys are going to go after. So what happens to a young person, this I'm going to quit my job and start a business while you move into a higher tax bracket. If you understand that thing, OK. And on this side, because you have employees, lots of employees, I only pay 20%.
But as an insider, I can pay 0% legally. I don't want to go to jail and become somebody's boyfriend. I want to be an insider all the time. So that's my way of saying, I don't own stocks, bonds, mutual funds, ETFs. I don't touch anything the stock market pumps out. I don't trust the dollar. I don't trust the treasury. And I definitely don't trust government.
So that's kind of why this is so important today, especially today. And with 87,000 IRS agents coming out, you better get a great, great, great CPA attacks guy. Okay, that's the big difference.
I understand what you mean, but there's people listening right now who have an SUV with a massive payment. They have a college degree with no actual practical skills. And they have a lot of degrees, more degrees in a thermometer, but they have no practical skills. Could you clarify what you mean? What you often say, I'm bro education. I'm just anti system. Well, it goes back again to the question I was asked is what this cool teacher bought money? And for most people, it's nothing.
The next question is, do you think that's a mistake? I mean, do you, I mean, do you think that's a mistake or is it intentional? So that's why, you know, I talk about my book. Capitalist manifesto. This book here. And this is a book I wrote this year.
And it's in response to the communist manifesto. But listen to this. OK, as we were warned, I'll say it again in the communist manifesto by Marx. He said communism would come in two stages. Stage one was 1930 when Columbia University was taken over by communists and still as communists today. Dennis Prager, you know, he calls Columbia one of the worst places he can go to.
And then so in this book here, capitalist manifesto says, we were warned. He says, this is from Nikita Khrushchev, 1959. He says, your children's children will live under communism. Your Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, but we will keep you, we will keep feeding you small doses of socialism. And that's through our schools until you finally wake up and find you already have communism.
Right. We will not have to fight you. We will so weaken your economy until you fall like an overripe fruit into our hands. The Kidder Crew Chef 1959. This book is nothing but quotes from Stalin, from Marx, all these guys. But the problem is most academics, like my poor dad, never read the communist manifesto. They do not know their communists.
So good. Aaron, I had a question about, you know, you had a quote where you said that, um, you know, you really all you need for success and I'm paraphrasing, but really all you need for success is simple math skills and some common sense. There we go.
And so, you know, when we, my wife and I actually taken that last quote, you just used my wife and I basically homeschooled our kids. And we did that so that they wouldn't get indoctrinated because they're not public schools, they're government schools. And so we wanted to make sure they learned a love for learning so that they would continue to educate themselves after the fact because we're very pro education. And so we've created children that are like that, but
What happens is, you know, people start studying certain things. And when you go down a certain path of study, you get more and more and more specialized, which makes it harder and harder to turn into a beer and I, in my opinion. So what are the things, you know, you said common sense, which isn't that common, and simple math skills, you can be successful. What are the things that, you know, you would spend time on studying and learning? Because obviously you're a lifelong learner as well.
Where would you go to get the learning that you need to be successful if you're our listeners out there? Well, that's a great question. Again, let's go back to book number two of the quadrant. You're talking about the specialist. So what academics do, you become a doctor, you're a general practitioner, then you specialize. You've been orthopedic surgery and heart, you know, you just keep being more specialized, but you get trapped in here and you pay the highest taxes. You can't get out.
So when I talk to parents and I don't have kids, I really have not qualified to talk to them. I said, the difference is, is your child a golfer or a football player? And you see the thing that we're taught in the Marine Corps is Marines fight as teams. You know, when I flew in, we flew in with flights of the gunships or four gunships. We always fought as a team.
And when I talk to people who are golfers, they want to do it by themselves. There's nothing right or wrong about it. But a golfer is here and a team player is out here. So I'm not the smartest guy, but I hire very smart specialists. I employ these guys. My tax guy, he wrote the book, Tax Tree, well, if he's Tom Wheelwright, I don't pay taxes and I don't want him to become an accountant.
I just called Tom up. And that's his, he's a specialist here. He's the golfer. He's actually a triathlete, which is even more nuts. But anyway, but he's a great team player. And so in school, being a team player means you're cheating. And I was very cooperative in school, CSUN for a capitalist cooperative, all that stuff. But in school, they want you to take the test on your own. Yeah.
So this is my, I asked my accountant to write this book is called Tax Free Well. Because as I said, 87,500 IRS agents are coming after this guy here. And then why are they going to pick on this guy?
because they can't afford to fight the government. Let's talk about your goldmine for a second and just gold in general. I'm not making this a shameless pitch for your company because I frankly haven't researched it enough to be able to speak positively or not positively about. All I can say is that I've looked into your career and I've benefited greatly from what you've taught me. But a years ago, Robert, I met with a gentleman who owned a bank. He owns a bank and I sat down with him and I said,
I'm doing well. I'm 25, 26 years old. I'm making good money now with my entertainment company. What should I do with my money? And this is the owner of a bank. He said, step one, do not put your money in a bank. And I'm going, what? You own a bank. He said, I only own a bank because it allows me to borrow money that I don't borrow money from the Federal Reserve. And he said, Clay, the Federal Reserve is not federal. There is no reserve. So I can borrow money from the Federal Reserve that they don't have. And I can lend it to people like you at a profit. But he said, you need to take a quarter of your cash and buy gold and silver.
a quarter of your cash in by land or property from emotional people that need to sell it. He says, look for people getting a divorce when you see the clothes burning in the lawn and someone's yelling at their husband, get out of here. That's when you make an offer. He said, so by real estate from emotional people with a quarter of your cash by golden silver and then take your other half, keep it cash on hand for your next business plan. And I thought, Oh, wow. So I read the creature from Jekyll Island. I started researching the Federal Reserve and I started going,
Oh, wow. So I have just been buying gold and silver consistently since that time. And I've seen the value of what I've purchased as tripled. And I've been buying real estate from emotional people who need to sell it. What would you tell people out there? What should people be doing with? Let's say they have half a million dollars of cash in the bank account. What sort of things or what mindset should people have with managing their cash?
Well, first of all, I don't give financial advice because I'm not registered to do that and you should listen anyway. But I just tell you what I do. I don't trust anything, but it can be printed. So if you can print it, I don't want it. So that's why I say I own oil in the ground. I don't own Exxon or BP or Shell. I own cattle because you can't print cattle.
I own real estate, which I use debt for. Cause that's what happened in 71. The dollar came off the gold standard and dollar became debt. But I gave like a guy like Dave Ramsey, who says, lived debt free. That's good advice for 95% of the people. Right. But if you want to use debt, you've got to study. And most people, as you know, are too lazy. They're not going to study.
So that's why I created my cash flow board game and all this stuff. Excuse me, you got to have a financial statement. My banker's never asked me for my report card. My banker's asked me for my financial statements. And the average person has no idea what a financial statement is. Because they went to school. They're PhDs like my poor dad.
You know, the school teachers are coming out of Columbia University, which Dennis Prager says is one of the worst schools in America. But meanwhile, I just kind of stay off the beaten path and I invest in what the Fed and the government cannot print. It's that simple. So I like why you cattle, not because I'm a cattle guy, but I sell the semen. And you know, that's sperm flow, a cash flow.
You know, if, if, if the Fed could print semen, I'd be out of that business. So I just all, I only invest what they cannot print. And that's my personal, personal strategy. Everybody should find their own strategy. I also use debt. So let's say I have an apartment house and I buy it for, let's say 20 million.
I fix it. It goes to 40 million. Most people would flip it. You know, oh, I got 20 and went to 40 million. Well, if you flip it, you have a tax. It's called capital gains. So what I do is I borrow out the equity. So it's like a refi. So I get a 40 million dollar property went from 20 to 40. And let's say I borrow 10 million out. All that debt is tax free. Right. And the property pays for the debt, not me.
And then I reinvest in other properties. I buy more breeding bulls. You know, I always want to be a Japanese breeding bull, but I never made it. So anyway, I own the bull and I sell the semen and I get a percentage off the calf.
Wow. Now, now, Robert, I'm going to pull up a final thing I wanted to do here. And this is, you know, you have a lot of people in our culture today that are passive aggressive. And then there's people like myself who are just aggressive aggressive. We have these things called the reawaken America tour where your friend, Cash Patel, General Flynn, Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, many great entrepreneurs are at these events.
And I'm open invitation to you. We're doing these all across the country. And what we're doing is we're sharing people with people the truth about what's happening. And you have my promise, I will not kick you off the stage. I will not ever kick you off of the event like off the lineup like Freedom Fest did to you. So if you want to join cash, I'm telling you, we're going to Pennsylvania here. Every one of the event has what Aaron, four to 5,000 people are all sold out. Yeah, up to 10,000.
And we stream to millions of people each one. The biggest stream we've ever had was 7.1 million people streamed to the Tulsa event. And the average one has about 2 million people streaming. 102 streaming partners are open invitation. If you want to join us, we'd love to have you. You can think about it, but I just want to tell you you're open. You're invited to come to any of our events.
No censorship, no editing, no teleprompters, and I know Cash is joining us in Pennsylvania. So it's my open, aggressive, aggressive invitation. You are invited to come join us on the Reawaken America tour. Should you feel the need, sir? Well, if Cash is there, I mean, I only met him for about a couple of days.
The man's a stud. I mean, I was going and cash told me, I mean, we talked, I just talked to cash today. I just talked to cash and I told them, I told them what I'm what I'm plotting, what I'm planning. I'm telling him and I really do believe. So I prayed about it. I've thought about it. I've talked to Aaron about it behind the scenes. And again, each one of these events your people will be there.
We'll buy everything you could possibly sell us more. And we would love to have you. So again, open invitation. I can talk to your team if you want to join us. We're going to Pennsylvania in October. It's almost sold out. We'd love to have you, sir. I'd be honored. You know, as the Marines would say, Semper five. Semper five. Okay. Well, I'll reach out to your team to see if we can make it happen. And again, thank you. Her name is Sarah. She runs my life.
Because I am I'm getting worse and Biden, you know, I have no memory anymore. Sometimes I double book things and she kind of keeps me. Yeah. We all need one of those. Well, sir, I'm going to give you the floor here. Final 60 seconds. People take notes. I know they're going to go to rich dad.com right now. I know they're going to be purchasing a copy of Capitalist Manifesto. I know our listeners, our readers and notetakers are going to buy Capitalist Manifesto. I know they're going.
somebody out there still doesn't own rich dad, poor dad. What are you doing? Go buy it. Come on. I just told you how much you changed our lives. So we'll give you the final word. What would you say to all listeners out there? Well, the most important asset you have lies between your left here and your right ear, you know, it's your brain and or your mind. We don't call it, but you've got to be very careful who puts information in there. You know, is the person going to, you know, if it was like my poor dad, I wouldn't listen to him.
And if the person is an entrepreneur and all this, because I want to be an entrepreneur, I'll listen to them. And the same as when I was getting ready to go to Vietnam, my teachers were real marine pilots. They actually came back from combat. And so I was preparing Camp Pendleton to go to Vietnam. And I chose the instructor very carefully. I wanted to know who the best instructor was, the best marine gunship pilot.
And that guy, I said, just train the heck out of me. So the most important thing is choose your teachers wisely. Yeah, I mean, very much choose your teachers wisely. There is nothing more important than this, what's between this here and that here. And be careful who your friends are. You know, there's people out there who are Judas's.
Yeah, screw you. And we know that happens a lot, unfortunately. Robert, this was better than I possibly could have expected, sir. And I'll tell you, the only thing that was unexpected for me, I knew would be good, is your glasses are much more incredible than I thought they would be. You've got some great glasses there, sir. I have a, at my age, I got to do anything.
All right. Hey, thank you, brother. We'll be talking to you soon, OK? Thank you. I'll be honored. I'm honored to be on the program. So thanks, Cashall. Thanks to the Cashalls. All right. Take care. Bye bye. Thank you. Inflation. Inflation.
When demand is greater than supply, either you get shortages or you get price increases. And actually what we have is a mixture of both. We are in an inflationary spiral. 66% of people polled expect inflation to get worse. The value of the dollar, since I was born as a client, by 94% of success. We are about to face one of the greatest periods of uncertainty.
in American history. Organize your finances, expand your knowledge, your insight as to what it is you have, and then start making decisions. But people go to bh-pm.com, they can schedule a free consultation. You're talking about going from the intangible into the tangible. If you can't hold it in your head, then it's not yours. You don't own it. You can physically hold actual gold and silver. It shifts fully insured directly to your home. Flation rates are going to continue to rot. Don't wait. Don't keep
putting off decisions that you know you must make. My name is Kevin Thomas and the name of our company is Multiclean. We are a commercial janitorial service and we serve the entire state of Oklahoma and Kansas and soon to be Arkansas. We have probably grown probably five times
uh we've added we I think when we first started with you we had 60 to 65 employees and now we have a little over 300 employees before we got involved with drive time we didn't really have any systems or processes in place. I've probably been to
Oh, in six, seven years, I've probably been to 12, the 13 business conferences. And amazingly, each time I go, I learned something new and I'm so excited to bring it back and show the team about marketing and how to implement, how to help you guys implement the SEO. And the coaching is this great because there's accountability.
And it's just a fantastic way to grow your company. Having a relationship with Lifetime has just been amazing for multi-clean. Oh my goodness, it frees me up because then I don't have to get, take a class on search engine optimization or learn marketing or shoot video. That's not what we do. What we do is commercial janitorial service.
And you guys were the experts on marketing. And you teach me and hold my hand and show me how to do it right. And therefore, now my company is much, much larger. Clay Clark is here somewhere. Where's my buddy, Clay? Clay is the greatest. I met his goats today. I met his dogs. I met his chickens. I saw his compound. He's like the greatest guy. I ran from his goats, his chickens, his dogs.
So this guy is like the greatest marketer you've ever seen, right? His entire life. Clay Clark, his entire life is marketing. Okay, Aaron Antis on March 6th and 7th. March 6th and 7th. Guess who's coming to Tulsa, Russell? Oh, Santa Claus? No, no, that's March. March 6th and 7th. You're going to be joined by Robert Kiyosaki. Robert.
The best selling author of Rich Dad Poor Dad, possibly the best selling or one of the best selling business authors of all time. And he's going to be joined with Eric Trump. He'll be joined by Eric Trump. He got Eric Trump and Robert Kiyosaki in the same place. In the same place. Aaron, why should everybody show up to hear Robert Kiyosaki? Well, you got billions of dollars of
business experience between those two, not to mention many, many, many millions of books have been sold. Many, many millionaires have been made from the books that have been sold by Robert Kiyosaki. I happen to be one of them. I learned from the man. He was the inspiration. That book was the inspiration for me to get the entrepreneurial spirit as many other people.
Now, since you won't brag on yourself, I will. You've sold billions of dollars of houses, am I correct? That is true. And the book that kickstarted it all for you. Rich dad, poor dude. Rich dad, poor dude. The author, the best selling author of Rich dad, poor dad. Robert Kiyosaki, the guy that kickstarted your career. Yeah. He's gonna be here. He's gonna be here. I'm up.
Now, Eric Trump, people don't know this, but the Trump Organization has thousands of employees. There's not 50 employees. The Trump Organization, again, most people don't know this, but the Trump Organization has thousands of employees. And while Donald J. Trump was the 45th president of the United States and sued to be the 47th president of the United States,
He needed someone to run the companies for him. And so the man that runs the Trump organization for Donald J. Trump as he was the 45th president of the United States and now the 47th president of the United States is Eric Trump. It's Eric Trump is here to talk about.
time management, promoting from within, marketing, branding, quality control, sales systems, workflow design, workflow mapping, how to build. I mean everything that you see the Trump hotels, the Trump golf courses, all their products, the man who manages
billions of dollars of real estate and thousands of employees is here to teach us how to do it. You are talking about one of the greatest brands on the planet from a business standpoint. I mean, who else has been able to create a brand like the Trump brand? I mean, look at it. And this is the man behind the business for the last pretty much since 2015. He's been the man behind it. So you're talking, we're into nine going into 10 years of him running it. And we get to tap into that knowledge. That's going to be amazing.
Now, think about this for a second. Would you buy a ticket just to see a Robert Kiyosaki and Eric Trump? Of course you would. Of course you would. But we're also going to be joined by Sean Baker. This is the best-selling author, the guy who invented the carnivore diet. Oh, yeah. Dr. Sean Baker, he's been on Joe Rogan multiple times. He's going to be joining us.
So you've got Robert Kiyosaki, the best-selling author of Rich Dad Poor Dad, Eric Trump, Sean Baker. The lineup continues to grow. And this is how we do our tickets here at The Thrive Time Show. If you want to get a VIP ticket, you can absolutely do it. It's $500 for a VIP ticket. We've always done it that way. Now, if you want to take a general mission ticket, it's $250 or whatever price you want to pay. And the reason why I do that
And the reason why we do that is because we want to make our events affordable for everybody. I grew up without money. I totally understand what it's like to be the tight spot. So if you want to attend, it's $250 or whatever price you want to pay. That's how I do it. And it's $500 for a VIP ticket. Now, we only have limited seating here with them. The most people we've ever had in this building was for the Jim Brewer presentation. Jim Brewer came here that the legendary comedian Jim Brewer came to Tulsa and we had 419 people that were here, 419 people.
and I thought to myself that there's no more room. I felt kind of bad that a couple people had VIP seats.
in the men's restroom. Oh, no, just kidding. So I thought, you know what, we should probably add on. So we're adding on what we call the upper deck, or the top shelf. So the seats are very close to the presenters. But we're actually building right now, we're adding on to the facility to make room to accommodate another 30 attendees or more. So again, if you want to get tickets for this event, all you have to do is go to thrivetimeshow.com.
go to ThriveTimeShow.com. When you go to ThriveTimeShow.com, you'll go there, you'll request a ticket, boom. Or if you want a text to me, if you want a little bit faster service, you say, I want you to call me right now. Just text my number. It's my cell phone number. My personal cell phone number will keep that private between you, between you, me, everybody. We'll keep that private in anybody. Don't share that with anybody except for everybody. That's my private cell phone number.
It's nine one eight eight five one zero one zero two nine one eight eight five one zero one zero two. I know we have a lot of a Spanish speaking people that attend these conferences and so to be biolingually sensitive myself on numbers nine one eight eight five one zero one zero two. That is not actually bilingual. That's just saying quan for a one. It's not something.
I think you're attacking me. Now, let's talk about this. Now, what kind of stuff will you learn at the Thrive Time show workshop? So Aaron, you've been to many of these over the past seven, eight years. So let's talk about it. I'll tee up the thing and then you tell me what you're going to learn here. Okay. You're going to learn marketing, marketing and branding. What are we going to learn about marketing and branding?
Oh yeah, we're going to dive into, you know, so many people say, oh, you know, I got to get my brand known out there like the Trump brand. You want to get that brand out there. It's like, how do I actually make people know what my business is and make it a household name? You're going to learn some intricacies of how you can do that.
You're going to learn sales. So many people struggle to sell something. This just in your business will go to hell if you can't sell. So we're going to teach you sales. We're going to teach you search engine optimization at a come up top in the search engine results. We're going to teach you how to manage how to manage people. Aaron, you have managed to no exaggeration hundreds of people throughout your career and thousands of contractors and most people struggle with managing people.
Why does everybody have to learn how to manage people? Well, because first of all, people either have great people or you have people who suck. And so it could be a challenge. You know, learning how to work with a large group of people and get everybody pulling in the same direction can be a challenge. But
If you have the right systems, you have the right processes, and you're really good at selecting great ones, and we have a process we teach about how to find great people. When you start with the people who have a great attitude, they're teachable, they're driven, all of those things, then you can get those people all pulling in the same direction.
So we're going to teach you branding, marketing, sales, search engine, optimization. We're going to teach you accounting. We're going to teach you personal finance, how to manage your finance. We're going to teach you time management. How do you manage your time? How do you get more done during a typical day? How do you build an organization if you're not organized? How do you do organization? How do you build an org chart?
Everything that you need to know to start and grow a business will be taught during this two-day interactive business workshop. Now, let me tell you how the format is set up here. And again, folks, this is a two-day interactive 15. Think about this, folks. It's two days. Each day starts at 7 a.m. and it goes until 5 p.m. So from 7 a.m. to 5 p.m. two days. It's a two-day interactive workshop. The way we do it is we do a 30-minute teaching session
And then we break for 15 minutes for a question and answer session. So Aaron, what kind of great stuff happens during that 15 minute question and answer session after every teaching session? I actually think it's the best part about the workshops because here's what happens. I've been to lots of these things over the years. I've paid many thousands of dollars to go to them.
And you go in there and they talk in vague generalities and they're constantly upselling you for something trying to get you to buy this thing or that thing or this program or this membership. And you don't you leave not getting your very specific questions answered about your business or your employees or what you're doing on your marketing. And what's awesome about this is we literally answer every single question that any person asks. And it's very specific to what your business is.
And what we do is we we allow you as the attendee to write your questions on the whiteboard. Yep. And then we literally as you mentioned, we answer every single question on the whiteboard. And then we take a 15 minute break to stretch and to make it entertaining when you're stretching, this is a true story. When you get up and stretch, you'll be greeted by mariachis. There's going to probably be alpaca here, llamas, helicopter rides, a coffee bar, a snow cone, I mean, there's just you had a crocodile one time. That was pretty interesting.
You know, I should write that down and I can get it. Oh, sorry for that one guy. We lost the crocodile. We duct tape this. It's face. Right? We duct tape. No, this is a baby crocodile. Yeah, duct tape around the mouse. It didn't bite anybody, but it was really cool. Pass with that thing around. I should.
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That means you have less than 3% of our population that's even self-employed. So it's you only have three out of every hundred people in America that are self-employed to begin with. And when Inc Magazine reports that 96% of businesses fail by default, by default, you have a one out of a thousand chance of succeeding in the game of business. But yet the average client that you and I work with, we can typically double this. No hyperbole.
No exaggeration. I have thousands of testimonials to back this up. We have thousands of testimonials to back it up. But when you work with a home builder, when I work with a business owner, we can typically double the size of the company within 24 months. Yeah. Double. And you say double? Yeah.
There's businesses that we have tripled. There's businesses. We've grown eight X. There's so many examples. You can see it through our time show.com. But again, this is the most interactive best business workshop on the planet. This is objectively the highest rated and most reviewed business workshop on the planet. And then you add to that Robert Kiyosaki, the best selling author of Rich Dad Portad. You add to that Eric Trump, the man that runs the Trump organization. You add to that Sean Baker. Now you might take, but Clay, is there more? I need more.
Well, okay, Tom Wheelwright is the wealth strategist for Robert Kiyosaki. People say, Robert Kiyosaki, who's his financial wealth advisor? Who's the guy who manages, who's his wealth strategist? His wealth strategist, Tom Wheelwright will be here and you say, Clay, I still, I'm not gonna get a ticket unless you give me more. Okay, fine. We're gonna serve you the same meal both days, true story. We can't run the food and be cause simple.
I keep it simple. I literally bring in the same food both days for lunch. It's Ted, Escazito's an incredible Mexican restaurant. That's going to happen. And Jill Donovan, our good friend, who is the founder of RusticCuff. She started that company in her home, and now she sells millions of dollars of American products. That's rusticcuff.com. And someone says, I want more. This is not enough.
Give me more. OK, I'm not going to mention their names right now because I'm working on it behind the scenes here. But we've got one guy who's giving me a verbal to be here. And this is a guy who's one of the wealthiest people in Oklahoma. And nobody really knows who he is because he's built systems that are very utilitarian that offer a lot of value. He's made a lot of money in the. It's the. It's where you rent. It's short. It's where you're renting storage spaces.
He's a storage space guy. He owns this. What do you call that? The rental the storage space storage units. This guy owns storage units. He owns railroad cars. He owns a lot of assets that make money on a daily basis, but they're not like customer facing. Most people don't know who owns the many storage facility or most people don't know who owns the
warehouse that's passively making money. Most people don't know who owns the railroad cars, but this guy, he's giving me a verbal that he will be here. And we just continue to add more and more success stories. So if you're out there today and you want to change your life, you want to give yourself a incredible gift.
You want a life-changing experience. You want to learn how to start and grow a company. Go to ThriveTimeShow.com. Go there right now. ThriveTimeShow.com. Request a ticket for the two-day interactive event. Again, the day here is March 6th and 7th. March 6th and 7th. We just got confirmation. Robert Kiyosaki, best-selling author, Rich Dad, Portad. He'll be here. Eric Trump, the man who leads the Trump organization. It's going to be a blast. He blasts. There's no upsells.
Uh, errant i could not be more excited about this event i think it is incredible and there's somebody out there right now you're you're watching and you're like but i already signed up for this incredible other program called smoke your way to thin that's gonna change your life i promise you this will be ten times better than that
Just like I think the wrong week, we're smoking. Don't do the smoke your way to thin conference. That is it. I've tried it. Don't do it. Yeah, chain smoking is not a viable. I mean, it is life changing. It is life changing. If you become a chain smoker, it is life changing. It's the best weight loss program. Right. Not really. So if you're looking to have life changing results in a way that won't cause you to have a stoma.
Get your tickets at ThriveTimeShow.com. Again, that's Aaron Antis. I'm Clay Clark and reminding you and inviting you to come out to the two-day interactive Thrive Time Show Workshop right here in Tulsa, Oklahoma. I promise you, it will be a life-changing experience. We can't wait to see you right here in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
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