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Welcome into the show, everybody. It is not Richard. It is not Valerie. It is not Dixon. It is not Vining. It is Brian and Rich, but doesn't doesn't roll off the tongue quite the same way as Dixie and Vining, but that's OK. I am Brian Dawson. I'm the CEO of 1819 News. You guys get to hear our news come in. Pipe it in hot at the top of every hour. You hear Andrea Tice doing that. We guest host a ton here. Different different people on my staff and then

We've got, I'm sure the host here talk about our articles often, but we can talk a little bit about what 1819 news is here in a little bit. But I'm also joined for my the next four hours with co-host, Pastor Rich Lusk. Pastor Rich is a pastor at Trinity Presbyterian Church in Birmingham off of 119. He's guest hosted with me before and my purpose in bringing him on is there's never been a question I've ever asked him whether it's theological, cultural, political,

any of those things that he doesn't have a very reasoned response that is backed up by the Bible and it's it's a it's coherent it's not you know just kind of theological gobbledygook that you know kind of gets the pressure off of him he's got great answers and I think it's it's good and tomorrow I'll be guest hosting as well and I'll be bringing on my friend Jerick Wilkins and he will be kind of coming at things from a business angle so approach today you're gonna talk about a lot of the

just the things that's going on from H1B visas. We'll talk a little bit about books for the new year, expectations for the Trump administration. What does it mean to be American? A lot of different topics, but we will be approaching it kind of just from my vantage point that I want to hear what Rich has to say coming from a man of the cloth. So Rich, thanks so much for taking the time to join us. Yeah, it's great to be with you, Brian. Always a pleasure to do these kinds of things with you.

Yeah, no, especially this early in the morning. I mean, like God, you get to get up at four in the morning. It's like, man, I'm so glad. No, I mean, it's always an honor to be able to come talk on talk. Ninety nine five talk. Ninety and five is an absolute behemoth hundred thousand want FM, you know, tower that covers so much of North Alabama and just a just great folks here. So

honored they would allow me to spend four hours a day while they're gone and give them a break. Also, you guys can call in at 844-455-9950 or I assume it's 205-545-9950. If you guys want to get in on the action, I always have a theory when they let us guest host

on the holidays, if the other people are like, oh, well, you know, if Richard and Valerie aren't going to be there, if Leland's not going to be there, you know, and we're on vacation. I'd love to see the phones light up while we're here to get a feel. Who's out there? Who's running the roads on the drive-in? It was pretty thin, but then again, it was also five in the morning, so that could also be it.

Um, yeah, I don't know. It's starting to get the feel of it is 2025. Now the holidays are over. Uh, we're, you know, putting it in drive and, um, yeah, it's, uh, time, time to get the new year started. The holidays went too quickly for me. How did Brian? They're not quite over. Yeah. And we're going to get into that. We're going to get into that all here. Yes. Uh, on, uh, 12 day, let's actually start out with that. I think that would be an interesting

uh... before we just go rapidly political and current events uh... will go uh... cultural topical and so uh... one of the things that my family has been trying to do but we're so ingrained in american culture the modern american culture that's not the good one uh... that we do i guess commercialized christmas where it's christmas eve christmas day boom throw the tree away what where you coming from rich well uh... yeah so first i don't wish everybody happy new year

Happy 2025, but yeah, we are actually still in the Christmas season according to the traditional church calendar This is I believe the ninth day of Christmas today. So obviously Christmas starts on December 25th it ends on January 5th with 12th night and you may have heard about saw night before but that is the eve before epiphany which is January 6th and that that's a

The whole church calendar is based on the life of Jesus. So obviously Christmas celebrates his birth. Epiphany celebrates the revelation of Jesus, the manifestation. That's really what the word epiphany means, a revelation, a manifestation. So epiphany celebrates the revelation of Jesus and not just to Israel, but to the nation. So epiphany includes events like the visit of the Magi who were Gentiles coming to worship him in his childhood. It celebrates his

his baptism in the Jordan River. It remembers his first miracle in John chapter 2 at the wedding of Canis. That's Epiphany. But Christmas is actually not one day. In our culture, we've gotten to the point where it's like the Christmas season, the Christmas shopping season starts in August or something. It's so far back. And so by the time you actually get to December 25th, you're kind of worn out.

But actually in the church calendar, there's a four-week period of preparation for Christmas called Advent. And then the Christmas season itself lasts 12 days. And that's because they wanted to celebrate this event of the incarnation, God becoming man, God entering into our history and our humanity, coming to save us, coming to rescue us. And it needed more than one day. And so they gave Christmas a 12-day celebration. And this has got a long history

by at least the 6th century Christians were observing Christmas as a 12-day season. I know one of your great heroes, King Alfred. Yes. King Alfred the Great in England in I think it's like 877 or so issued a decree that for the 12 days of Christmas

servants were to have all that time off so that they could feast and it became kind of this extended birthday party for Jesus celebrating again the word made flesh God becoming man God entering into our history in this very humble lowly way so really a glorious thing and I would tell people to linger a little bit and I know that

That's not how the culture does it. I noticed in my neighborhood on December 26, there were already a bunch of Christmas trees laying out on the curb. And I picked up a few of those for burning later, which is also a fun thing to do if you've got a fire pit. But I would say, leave your Christmas decorations up. Continue to think about the birth of Jesus and what that event means historically, what it means theologically. Think about those things throughout the 12 days because it's really a great way to

Not put all the pressure on that one day, December 25th, to be the day. I think the 12 days of Christmas gives you a way of just kind of lingering over the holiday celebration a little bit. And I think you can actually enjoy it more that way. Who wants Christmas to end? I mean, I guess there's some people who do. My favorite from carving the turkey on Thanksgiving until apparently Epiphany now is what I'm switching to, is my favorite time of year.

That used to have been to Christmas, but now I'm going to epiphany. And do you think there's any correlation between epiphany and the January 6th of 2020? Well, that is an interesting connection. And I said this, I said, you know, it's a shame that now January 6 will be remembered for those events in Washington, D.C. when they really should be remembered, obviously primarily for things that our Savior came and did. That's right.

So that's yeah, that's that is that is an interesting connection. Hey, I'm here. I'm I noticed patterns. It's you know, they say it's a sign of intelligence. Anyway, there's patterns is we've got a Don from Helena calling in to talk Trump inauguration. Welcome to the show, Don. Good morning. I've definitely enjoyed you guys filling in and in the connections that you guys have or you have for

bringing in some of our representatives just kudos to you on that, first of all. Yeah. But the only inauguration I've been watching some of the stuff on Instagram and TikTok and stuff like that, that there's a school in Mississippi that the people are trying to almost block them from going to be playing at the parade and all that. Do you know if that's if anybody that Trump has asked to be there, this maybe not going to be there because of

for under random. No, I've not heard anything about that. I know there's a school and it's failing me. And we just reported on it on 18 19 news recently, a school that is, I think, from Alabama that will be going. And but yeah, no, I've not heard anything about that. I think I think and I'm my hope is that that days like that,

are coming to an end with the nonsense and the cancel culture and all of that. I feel in my gut that that's kind of coming into an end and I hope that it does. But I'd be interested to find out if that's true. I may use the Googles here when we're on our next commercial break to find out. If you can find that, that'd be awesome. But again, from a Christmas standpoint, I'm like,

definitely seems to be a lot more joyful Christmas. I don't feel the anxiety that I've felt in the last, you know, like I said, four or five years, you know, all the way really starting in COVID to find taken over. Definitely, I feel people, you know, they're talking about the American Christmas Happy New Year, you know, the happy quads, you know, happy Hanukkah, all the stuff. And it's, and it's really,

Just thinking about what, you know, weight off of my shoulders, not my chest, about, you know, the kindness of people and the fact that we were getting rid of that woke at the EI culture. So just pretty amazing this year. This was definitely a much better Christmas than I think I've talked about that. But, and then one last thing, the last week you guys was talking about, you know, why our policy has gone up, you know, far as government contracts and stuff like that.

You know, it's one of the things that the Doge guys, and I hope we get one in Alabama, we got to get rid of some of the red tape, the stuff that the bureaucracy that's out there, and people getting their hand in people's pockets, because I'm at an airport, and they built a new set of hangers. And that set of hangers could have been easily built for under 300,000, well, they cost $1.1 billion to build that set of hangers. And there's no chance with the

what those hangers for that could ever recover that money almost in the lifetime of the hanger self. And so sounds like our prison building system supposed to get two for a billion and now we're at 1.3 billion for one. I think it must be the same contractors. Well, the problem is, again, we've got so many layers of bureaucracy now and different groups that, you know, the stuff it has to go. The layers it has to go through. And, you know, who created those? Well, a lot of our politicians did so that they get, unfortunately,

get their people paid, you know, and then it's, that's one of the things we've got to get rid of. We're never going to get some of these costs down. And the cost overruns, the materials went up a little bit, but nothing like the layers of, like, say, the bureaucracy that we're going to go through. And the EPA is a big one, unfortunately, you know, just like anything, it started out good. And just like unions, it started out good. And now, and fortunately, it's turned into

Frank down the show anymore. No, that's right. Leave on that. Leave on that note. Again, thank you very much. And then I'm headed to work and happy to be going to work. Awesome. All right. Well, thank you, Don. All right, guys, we're going to hit a commercial break. We'll be back. Dixon and Vining. We'll see you on the other side. All right. Welcome back to Dixon and Vining, or at least for the next few hours, it'll be Brian and Rich, Dawson and Lusk. We'll come up with something cooler. Anyway,

Um, welcome back. Uh, really excited, um, decided to be here, excited to jump in, uh, excited about the new year, but ushering in the new year, uh, was some not so fun stuff that isn't really fun to talk about. But I think, uh, is important, uh, that we do, uh, is these terrorist attacks that we're seeing. And I think we're going to be seeing a lot more of that. Uh, we knew it, you know, going into, I don't know, I don't know what it was. It must have been May, uh, and Rich and I were actually talking in the, in the 18, 19 studio.

And I said, look, you're going to see unfathomable things happen between now and November. I said, there's for sure going to be an attempt or two on Trump's life. That proved to be true. I still state that there was three attempts. You had the getting shot in the head year, whenever the years attached to the head, he was shot in the head. I know if I got shot in the eye, I'd be telling him, man, I got shot in the head.

uh... there's uh... there's that but then and then there was the the marlago uh... golf guy but then there was uh... the explosives that were in a rare that were at a rally and then they find the explosives and like oh no no we were doing bomb training with our bomb dogs did you see that yeah this is it was absolutely nuts and uh... they they just buried it it's like so you're doing bomb training with real bombs in bomb dogs at a trump rally that's what you tell me like yeah now that's what we're doing we have to train the dogs right now

really. So that sounds kind of suspicious. Yeah, it's a little bit almost as suspicious as a Tesla truck burning in front of Trump Tower. I'm sure there's no connection there.

Yeah, that's quite a coincidence. Yeah, weird. Not when you have gas cans and fireworks in a bed. Yeah, that's right. Happy New Year. Well, I just thought it was interesting. The headline said something like, you know, Tesla Cybertruck explodes or Tesla Cybertruck catches fire as if it was somehow the truck's fault. I mean, obviously there has been an issue with electric vehicles catching fire. Yes. They made it sound like it was something defective about the vehicle. Yeah. You know, so kind of a jab at Tesla and obviously Musk in that kind of way.

That's obviously not what happened. This was a very intentional explosion that was set off deliberately. And obviously it has to do with the fact that you got Elon Musk and Donald Trump. It's a very symbolic action tying the two of them together. And obviously somebody trying to send some kind of message. Yeah. And so I'm trying to find the guy's name, but I'm just going to jump into the, you know,

So the other terrorist attacked the guy in Louisiana that drove a truck into a parade. And as I posted on Twitter, his name is like Muhammad al super-terrorist guy from Muslim land. I don't know what his name really is. I made that up. But you read the name and you're like, surprise, not a surprise there. But what was interesting about that, it's awful, it's tragic, it's horrible.

is the FBI lady. Did you see that? I did see. Yeah. Yeah. The FBI lady, black lady, not a, not a real strong communicator. It seems to be their new PR person seems to be a theme with this administration. Ladies, specifically black ladies don't communicate. Well, I don't know what the deal is there. And she specifically said this is not

a terror attack. And then like five minutes later, they're like pulling out like the jihad flag out of the back of the truck. Yeah. And his name is, you know, whatever. Yeah. So why are they so hell bent on making sure that we don't think, you know, it's the same thing, like the, the, the, the school shooter that happened at the Tennessee Christian school, like they waited forever.

for the manifesto to come out. Like if the dude was a Nazi, like he would have been instantaneous. He'd be like, Nazi shoots up school. Look at the ladies, obviously his motives are right here. Let's read the manifesto on CNN tonight. But because it was a training girl who went in and, you know, blasted up a bunch of Christians because she hates them.

We had to wait like a year to get the manifest up. And then was it even released voluntarily or was it leaked? Yeah, I think it was leaked. Yeah. Well, and I think what we have to, I mean, obviously, I think most people are well aware of this unless you're extremely naive, you would be aware of this. The mainstream news media, so many of the government agencies, they have got a narrative, an ideology and a narrative. And if something doesn't fit,

it doesn't make the news. If it does fit or if they can make it fit, they will. And that's the kind of thing you see with this. Whether or not something gets labeled as a terrorist attack is not based on some objective criteria, but really based on whether or not it serves some kind of ideological purpose or serve some kind of narrative. And that's what we're seeing with a lot of these things, the way they get interpreted or presented to us.

If it fits some kind of narrative, they shove it in our face. If it doesn't, then we don't hear a whole lot about. And actually, sometimes you will see the narrative sort of get twisted. You'll see the story actually get twisted in order to suit the ideology that's being pushed.

And so, yeah, one thing we've been told is that we have nothing to fear with a lot of Muslim immigration. We have nothing to fear that Islam is a religion of peace. And lo and behold, that doesn't always prove to be the case. Europe has found that out the hard way. And I think that could be the case here too. When we get into our books, we're gonna do that, I don't know, in one of the many hours

going to spin with you. We're going to talk about New Year's books. And one of the books that I am going to recommend everyone read is a book called The White Horse Kings, which brings you back to an era when there was lots of enemies. Now the White Horse King is King Alfred, and he was dealing with Vikings. But right around that same time period, not long after, there was this thing called the Crusades. And there's a lot of misnomers about what actually happened in the Crusades.

And I think because a lot of those misnomers, again, that's trying to fit the crusades into the current narrative that says that Muslims don't get into trucks and run people over because they hate them. And here's another one. Here's my favorite, Neocon, the Hadis Khazar freedom. So that's why they do this stuff. The Hadis Khazar freedom. Well, or not too long ago, Joe Biden was telling us that the main threat to America does not come from Islam. It comes from

white Christians, basically is what it sounded like. They were at home school and have seven children, mainly moms. Yeah. Those are the main. The ones that show up at the school boards, those are the ones we got to stick the feds on. So. And that's a good example of the narrative. Yeah. That's a narrative that's being pushed. That's obviously not actually the case. Yeah. So, um, well, I hear that beautiful music in my ears. And that means that the incredible, amazing conversation that we were about to start

You guys are going to have to wait for it and stay and listen to those commercials and buy all the products that the advertisers tell you about and then come listen to us on the other side. We'll be back. All right. This is the kind of music that wakes you up in the morning. That's what I like. I like Steve, Steve on the DJ Steve. That's what I'm going to call him. He's over there giving us the good stuff. Well, we were in a really interesting conversation pertaining to these terrorist attacks. Obviously, it doesn't take a rocket scientist

To figure out that there's a correlation between January 6th and the inauguration and, you know, the official swearing in of 45, 47, Donald John Trump to be the next president, that they're going to try and increase anxiety and increase fear and show us we never should have picked literally Hitler to be our president, right?

Um, they're going to continue doing these things and remember, it's not going to stop just once he becomes president. I mean, remember from, you know, the time Donald Trump came down the escalator and I think it was June of 2015, uh, all the way through, he's never, he has no chance to win, making fun of him. He won then as soon as he won, it was, you know, Russia, Russia, Russia, as he calls it, uh, then, you know, the impeachments and then, I mean, just,

They understand that he is an absolute threat to the regime so much so that they try to kill him, as I said three times, but officially two times. It's not going to stop. And I tell people, and this is probably worth having a conversation, not where I plan to go, but this is, I did a podcast on this recently on a monologue. This is it. This is, to me, this is the last chance for Western civilization. This is it. We're not gonna get another chance. And we have to have the stomach

for revival, you could say, but we have to have the stomach to do what's necessary, knowing that they're going to go all in to stop any progress that Trump and his administration and his cabinet picks are going to make. And so we have to be absolutely immune to criticism from the left when we go in and start doing mass deportations of illegals.

Do you think they're just going to be like, oh, if there's a bus back home, where do I get on? That's not how it's going to go. It's going to be very ugly. There will be violence. It is not going to be easy, right? I made the joke. If you remember Forrest Gump when he was running and running and running and then he's like, I think I'm going to go home now. There's no illegals that are going to Forrest Gump and be like, I think I'm going to go home now.

They want to be here. And so it's going to be force is what it's going to take to get them to go back. And I don't think our country, anyone alive really in our country has seen anything like that. And I don't know that they have the stomach for it. But if we don't do it, you can kiss Western civilization in the United States of America. Goodbye.

Yeah, you know, it is interesting. I think that one of the main reasons Trump got elected, and this is true back in 2016, obviously what happened in 2020 as a matter of debate, but then the 2024 election is because of his commitment to the immigration issue and enforcing the laws that we have on the books and deporting those who are here illegally.

And I do wonder about this. Do the American people, I've seen polls that put it as high as 70% of Americans want illegals to be deported. I've heard Tom home and talk about this. And he says, you know, we'll start with the criminals. And I think that's great. That is, you should start with, obviously, as the people who are causing the most trouble who are not here legally. So go with that. But I have also, and I've not really seen a lot of discussion about this. Obviously, this is not my

area, but I am interested in it as an American citizen. Are there other ways to deal with the illegal immigration, the presence of illegal aliens in America? Are there other ways to deal with it that might minimize the force? Think about this. The first time something goes wrong in seeking to forcefully remove illegal immigrants from America,

That's going to get talked about nonstop on the news. And I think a lot of those people who have said, Oh, yes, I do want to see the illegals removed. They're going to, they're going to lose their will. Correct. In the face of that. But, but what about cutting off welfare benefits that, that many, many disincentivides, disincentivize it because, because this is the thing, like if you think about American history, obviously we have had, you know, we were a settler nation and then

And that's one thing. I think it's wrong to think of the people that first came here as immigrants. They were not immigrants. They were settlers. There was nothing to immigrate to. There wasn't really an existing nation they could plug into. They had to create that. We were colonizing. So you had to distinguish that. We were colonizing.

Well, that's another word actually that you could use. But obviously, since then we have absorbed a lot of immigrants through a very generous immigration system we've had for most of our history. But the people that came here typically came because they wanted to work and they saw opportunity.

They wanted to work and they saw a nation that's growing, that needs workers, a nation where there's a lot of freedom, there's not as much regulation, there's not as much tyranny, so there's an opportunity. And that's why people came. What you have now, because of the welfare state,

is you have a lot of people coming who don't have an interest in working. They come for the freebies and free healthcare, free living space, free education for their children and so forth. So that's one thing that I think needs to be dealt with. I think if you cut off the incentives with the welfare state, that would be as an act of

Stewardship and the way the government uses its resources see as a as a pastor I put things maybe in more theological terms But as an act of stewardship to me that seems like it would be much better American tax dollars should be spent first and foremost on Americans

So start with that. And then also, a lot of the money that immigrants make, they send back home instead of allowing it to circulate in our economy and continue to enrich our nation, they send it back. Taxing that, capturing that, taxing that in some way, I think, which apparently other nations do, but we do not. And so that's something else that I would raise. So I think there are things like that that you can do that would be

worthwhile ways of dealing with the issue that minimize the use of raw force. There are definitely going to be cases where raw force has to be used. But minimizing those cases and just disincentivizing it. Obviously also if you build a wall and all those kind of things, that also helps in terms of just making it more difficult. Basically right now what we have said to the world, what we've certainly been saying during the Biden administration,

is, hey, we have no, uh, there, there's, there's, uh, anybody can come here who wants to, and once you get here, we'll give you all kinds of free stuff. Yeah. And that's a recipe for a disaster. Open borders plus the welfare state absolute disaster. Yeah. And I think the wall is mostly symbolism. I don't think the wall actually does that much to prevent people from getting over, but it's communicating not welcome. Okay. And when, when there's no wall, it's communicating. Come on in. And the incentives usually go when the wall is up, the incentives also go down.

The administration that puts the wall up takes the incentives down and then the administration that is now selling off all of the wall pieces that Trump built under his administration always sends the incentives up. The wall itself I think probably is largely symbolic, but the border patrol does at the border is not. Whether or not they basically act as sort of like an open...

you know, sieve that just lets people come in or if they actually detain people and then send them back. That makes a huge difference. And so what is the policy that's, this, this is the thing about it is people talk about a threat to democracy. Well, we have laws that have been passed by Congress, a Congress that was elected by the people signed into force by presidents who are elected by the people.

And so obviously those laws reflect the will of the people in our representative system of government. When those laws are not enforced, that's the threat to democracy, especially when the people coming across the border, they're not here legally, so they're violating the laws that we have in place. And then we know that many of them become voters.

How is that not foreign interference in American elections? How is that not actually a threat to American democracy when non-Americans are having so much sway? People were so concerned about, oh, Russia's influence over Trump and this, you know, the whole hoax about Trump and Russia and that kind of thing.

Well, this is your real foreign interference in American elections. It comes, it comes this, I'm not saying other things don't happen, but this, this is to me, this is the most egregious thing. And so again, when you, you know, so you have these states where there's no requirement for voter ID. Well, obviously again, they're just inviting voter corruption. All of the states, every, every state that was read had voter ID.

And the states that didn't did not, right? Or like, I don't know that it's 100% of the states that went close. But there was a huge correlation between voter ID and being a red state and being a blue state. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I think we can continue to have this conversation. I think it's very important. And I'd like to, we're coming up on a break again here.

On the other side, I'd like to dig into what are the motivations for the illegal immigration. I think we'll roll that into this H1B conversation that Elon Musk has on Twitter that's just exploded. And then maybe we can define what does it actually mean to be American? Why do we think we can import the third world

to America and it work out fine and why do we think we can export America to the third world and it worked out just fine that's I think very interesting and So yeah, I think we can I guess before we dive into the break a little bit continue the conversation as it I Think one of the interesting so I love what you're talking about on the on the incentive piece of that rich is that

Right now, I could probably make as much money or my family do as well, or at least people I know could, you know, what do they call that, where you like, depatriate, like you leave your American citizenship, go live in Honduras for a couple of years and come back. And they would do better than getting up and going to work every day in America. So I just think that's the thing. Yeah, yeah. It becomes a real drain on American productivity, for sure. Well, we're gonna,

We're going to hit a break. We'll come back and we'll finish that conversation. Real quick, just to let you know, one thing that popped up just a moment ago before drink, it could actually get it in the system and ready to go. Car accident, I-20 just after the Shula Vista exit causing some pretty major backup. So if you're coming in from, say, Pell City, Aniston, Oxford area and coming into Birmingham, you're going to be slowed down once you get past Shula Vista. There you go. Well, this is why I need a helicopter, Steve.

If you can afford one, go ahead. No, I'm working really hard at it. At this rate, sometime in the year 3000, if I keep saving and putting my pennies away and investing in my 401k keeps appreciating it 8%, I should be able to get one. So, anywho,

Yeah, so back to the conversation. Welcome back to the Dixon and Vining Show on Talk 9995. The call in number is 205-545-9950. So again, that's 205-545-9950. Feel free to call into the show. We'd love to have you add to the conversation. Again, I'm Brian Dawson, CEO of 1819 News. I'm joined by Pastor Rich Lusk of Trinity Presbyterian Church.

Uh, one thing I definitely want to just throw out there, uh, is if you think it's valuable to have a pastor who deeply understands every aspect of, of, you know, uh, life that matters, be it cultural, political, theological, whatever, and can apply the word of God to every aspect of life, all of Christ for all of life, if that's valuable to you to have a pastor who doesn't shy away from the tough issues of the day that doesn't tell you to, uh, not talk about politics because it'll ruin your witness. If that's valuable,

To you, you may want to check out Trinity Presbyterian Church off of 119. I think you'd enjoy it. When we are in Birmingham, I live in Wautumka, but when my family is in Birmingham over the weekends, we go there. Rich actually baptized six of my seven children. So yeah. What a great honor that was. Yeah. Yeah. Appreciate that. Appreciate that plug. Yeah. We're a liturgical reform church. Those words mean anything to you. A church that believes the Bible, believes in the authority of the Bible.

seeks to apply the Bible to every square inch of life because we believe that Jesus is Lord over everything. And if that's the kind of church you're looking for, come check us out. Yeah, absolutely. Well, continuing to apply biblical worldview to current cultural events, you know, the motivations, I want to get into the motivations of what causes the Democrat Party, the progressives,

The Marxists, the Communists, the Woke Mind Virus, whatever you want to call them, the regime, that's what I tend to fall to. I think you use progressive, I use regime, potato. I think you say communist. Yes, I do. All of the above. Woke Mind Virus, whatever. I've been accused of Mark McCarthyism and it's like, well, he was right, but that's neither here nor there.

person to figure out the car he was because i'm forty but uh... so what what are the motivations behind i think when i've had this conversation with you rich you go heavy on replacing the electorate

Uh, with open, like just, there's this free for all, you know, get rid of the wall incentivize mass, uh, migration here, uh, because no matter. So what's interesting is specifically in Hispanic, but I mean, that's not what we're getting anymore. We're getting freaking Haitian, uh, you know, sub-Saharan Africa, like crazy, uh, you know, uh, Muslim terrorists as we saw yesterday. Um, that's what we're getting now. So it's not, you know, Hondurans and, and, and it may be that they're like, well, that's not working anymore because these, the,

The Hispanics, when they come over here, yeah, they vote Democrat for maybe eight years, then all of a sudden they turn conservative because Hispanics, by their very nature, are family-oriented, hardworking, traditional values, which puts you as a far-right extremist under the FBI's guidelines, I think, if you have a family and go to work. But that's neither here nor there. And so on one hand, I think there is a replacing of the electorate. You can look at the patterns of how people are going to vote, specifically when you incentivize them to come here,

uh, you know, with cash benefits or things of value and they know that the things of value are attached to this political party who's giving them those things. You're essentially buying boats. We see that. I believe I'm actually more convinced

Um, it's, it's, it's, it's not one or the other. It's both and, um, of trying to get rid of Western European heritage in our country. And so I want to get into what does it mean to be an American? Who are we as a nation? Um, you know, and, and specifically I think what we can do until we come up against the next break, um, is, um, why is it, and this is actually way too big of a conversation to have in five minutes, but we can start it now.

Uh, why is it that we think, and I think this question gets to the root of the actual issue in the thinking and it's specifically on the, the side of the Republican party. I call them neo conservatives, which is a whole nother like four hour show to break down paleo conservative versus neo con, um, you know, establishment, all these different things. How do we, how do we break down these different camps?

But there is a word that used to be called millenarianism and it was this idea that we can export democracy. That's what you're seeing. That's why, you know, libertarians and paleoconservatives are extremely conservative of modern neoconservatives where we think that we can just go set up democracy. We can go into some third world crap hole.

right, that has zero regard for human life, no desire to be a Western democracy, which I hate that word, you know, a Western constitutional republic. They have zero desire for that, but we think we can go over there, kill a bunch of them and be like, you have democracy now.

all the women that you've been oppressing and putting turbines on and not letting them show their legs, they get to drive and go to school now. How do you think that's like, so in our minds, we think we can take, we can export America to the third world and at work, and then we think we can import the third world to America and it's going to work. And I believe the reason is, is that we think that it's this idea of, and the idea, a nation is an idea, specifically America is an idea. It's a,

There's a word. I'm a proposition. That's what you're thinking. That is exactly right. America is a propositional nation. It's the idea that makes it what it is. And Rich, I'm going to give you two minutes before I cut you off. Well, well, so I mean, you said so many really good and interesting things there. So yes, with our, with our, um, basically being a borderless nation as we've been now for several years, I do think it's about changing the electorate. I think that's part of it. Importing voters. I think it's about cheap labor. Uh, this serves the interests of, of, um,

corporations. I totally agree with you that a lot of this is about destroying whatever is left of historically Christian Western civilization. It's seeking to undermine that.

And as part of that, undermine historic American identity, I think is also part of it. So yeah, you really got at what I think has been kind of the two ways that we have gone wrong as a nation. One is thinking that we can export basically our form of government and our way of life, that we can export it, say, to places like the Middle East.

And we have tried to do nation building over there. And I think we left things worse than they were than when we got there in many cases, which is, which is tragic. But you can't see the, the, the kind of system of government we have and the kind of prosperity that we've enjoyed. These are fruits and you can't get the fruit without the tree and the tree that that kind of fruit has grown on is the Christian faith.

And we've tried to say, hey, we want you these other nations to bear this fruit, but we never planted gospel trees. We never planted Christian trees there. And so this kind of fruit can't grow there. And that's why it doesn't work. That's an amazing topic that we're going to talk when we come back from this break. We'll get back to it. All right, Dixon and Vining, we'll be back. Welcome to the Jungle Clones. It's the Jim Rome Show podcast.

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