Welcome to Free State, everybody.
I couldn't help thinking as I watched the clip on Twitter that had been watched bank nearly two million times by this stage of Simon Harris and Charlotte Fallon, who was known simply as a woman in cantirk, when I saw their exchange on social media from Friday night, and I couldn't help think.
Now I know why Simon Harris isn't coming on the podcast and Because it was an exchange where which he then he then went kind of apologized eventually for us said he was tired To which many people pointed out probably not as tired as the carer who was emotional talking to him and We see that
It's a terrible time of the election where people are talking using phrases like, it's senior hurling. And you know, the Harris Hop apparently is gone. And what this really means, of course, is that once people start paying attention,
None of the stuff that has been consuming the political class for the rest of the time when people aren't paying attention actually matters at all. So this idea that Simon Harris is a new energy. He is the guy that the man that people want and he's a leader of charisma. It doesn't actually survive exposure to the real world.
And when I look at Simon Harris, I've talked about this before about covering the leadership contest between Leo Viradkar and Simon Kovny in whenever that was 2017, that one of the things that
that struck me, I remember being imbalanced slow on a Saturday night for one of the leadership debates and seeing Simon Harris there and looking at him and thinking, he spent most of his 20s on a Saturday night at Finnegal events. Like that is not a way to be spending your 20s. That is not a healthy thing to be doing. It's probably healthier than the way you spent your 20s.
Well, yeah, maybe, maybe that is not a bad repost. But, you know, I had some experience of the real world, unfortunately. And I think, you know, you look at them and you look at it. I like that the incident in Kantorik was the most extreme example, but all through this election campaign, we've seen a bristle when faced with the reality.
See, when you were again in a proper education, you know, been better up in London and the passing of our pictures around and, you know, drinking the whiskey from the bottle, he was, you know, as you say, knocking around with these people so that it's almost
you know, he's almost like part of a cult now. And what I was interested in when you started when you introduced the podcast was that you were right in a way when you talked about, I think, you know, this not being reality, because what Fittagail and Fittafoeil are trying to do, what they must do now is to create a fictional reality, you know,
A bit like advertisers, you know, you don't advertise the product, but you advertise a lifestyle, a way of making people feel good, you know, which avoids the product. And in this case, the product to be avoided.
And you might think this is a very good reason for wanting to avoid it. It's Finnegeal Finnefoil. We see this week, just this week, for example, that a professor of economics and finance at Trinity College has discovered a five billion euro hole in their spending commitments for the next five years.
It's no surprise that, I mean, what I've learned over the weekend. From if anyone's telling me I was like, fighting all those stories, five things we learned. Five things you've probably learned. These are important matters. I mean, don't mistake this for sarcasm. Stephen Donnelly has a dog. Good. Just thinking about the commercials that they've cut out. So Stephen Donnelly's got a dog that he pets when he takes it for walks.
And he, the dog, the dog jumps up on him and he hugs the dog and gives it a ruffle around the ears. Oh, no, no so far. Yeah, very nice. You know, and I've also learned that me, Hall Martin has kids. Good. And they all fit around the dinner table in his house. And I've learned that Helen McEntee likes the food fighters.
and has been, has been deceived in five times. These are, these are the Finnegyll Finnefoil promotional videos in the run up, in the run up to a really serious election that finally affects people's lives. Diamond Coveny drinks paints. That's a question. Does he actually drink the paint or does he just have, does he just do, you know, the Rishi Sunak and take a sip? And then, and then the camera goes off. And I've also learned that Sam and Harris doesn't much care for those beneath him.
Carers, et cetera. You know, you can conceal your natural antipathy towards certain classes of people. You know, so a man who was threatening to financially penalize the striking nurses and calling them a disgrace when they were going to strike for better wages and for the ability.
call this a sort of an outrageous request by the people who protect and maintain and see of our lives, from the ability to be able to afford their rent. And we see, you know, in that moment, which wasn't part of the Disney vacation,
product that we've seen over the last sort of a couple of weeks. You know, we saw, we saw what that was like. And you got this sort of thing now that Finnegane and Fennefer are doing, but it's obviously successful because they're holding up well in the polls. You know, I mean, I know they come to that sin fan or sort of rebounding a bit. Finnegane have gone down a few points, but in the man, in the man,
what does it tell you, you know, that this sort of nonsense at a time when there are very serious issues, as there always are, you know, in a world which is in a quandary and where we are very much in danger of following, you know, the toxic example of America and the UK on some of the other European states. That Stephen Donnelly, and he made of him and Simon made of
spent so far two and a half billion euro on a hospital where the doors aren't wide enough to accommodate a child's wheelchair, a children's hospital where the doors aren't wide enough to accommodate a children's wheelchair. But don't worry about that, because Steven likes dogs. It's good, everyone likes them. And Simon likes a paint, or at least a glass.
What do we say about this? I think the polls were interesting. The most recent poll in the Sunday Independent was taken before the incident with the care worker, which I think will have an impact as well.
But I think there is a certain reality and certain things in the polls, which to me don't tally with this idea that Finnigail and Fida fall are kind of going to just keep everything on an even keel and return to power because the issues the people say are most important to them in this election are
housing, the costs of living are the first two, and then it's either health or immigration comes in third, but housing and costs of living are the first two. And we've seen how
the government has dealt with housing. Cost of living is something that is toxic for governments wherever they are. And your friend and mine, Joe, Dan O'Brien, and let me finish this point because it's actually quite interesting. I had a piece in the currency last week about the toxicity of inflation and how it actually around the world, whether it's huge inflation,
It actually drives governments out of office because it does that because governments do not do their primary job which is to look after the common good and instead represent sexual interests. The wealthy interests. So if you have a government who sets out to represent the common good, then you don't have people wondering why this power rate was not good.
I know, but he was wondering why that wasn't happening here as evidence by the polls so far. And I just think the polls, as we've seen in other countries, particularly in the US, but also in Britain and the election where they were actually quite far out, the polls may not be picking up the right things. And I think
As we see a turn now, it looks like that could well be the case, that this idea that Simon Harris is a charismatic leader who has great energy and can take that, you know, just use that to drive home. Another term we've got offers for Finigale might actually not turn out to be the case at all.
Well, first of all, he's not charismatic at all. You know, he's very limited personality. You know, I've said it before. I think he's a very nice, well-mannered fellow unless he's in the company of a carer. He's not charismatic at all. But what the importance of the project is to make sure the Finigil Finifall, the establishment party, stay in power. Okay. And from their perspective,
It doesn't really matter that they have, you know, they have sort of halved over the last 10 years in terms of votes. The important thing is for them to stand par. And so the critical feature of this election is these independents who are going to prevent Sinn Fian from forming a government.
You know, so Sinn Féin, if you go back four years and we were in the same position that we are now, you would think, look, they have a really good chance of forming a government. But the independence, we've been encouraged on immigration and things like that.
That's the critical thing just in the same way that Corbin was destroyed by encouraging Nigel Farage, persuading people who had nothing. The Red Wall, the Labour-led Red Wall, just completely disappeared because people believed this.
charismatic, and he is charismatic, charlatan. And when you look at the way Fennigill of Foeil to present themselves, I mean, I actually stopped and bow now the other day to look at the poster, a new energy. See, like,
the fuck thought that up, you know, it sounds like the new Star Wars film. Star Wars, a new energy, you know, they, whatever it is, it's absolutely meaningless. Okay, and they're all pretty in the road under the slogan. And, and fenfoils is something like,
Together, we will change together. We will, you don't want to toll on it. You just get a four or five, you pick from four or five words, you arrange. It's like the Nike people deciding, which was genius. Just do it. And when realizing, realizing that they weren't selling trainers that were being mass produced very cheaply in Asia, crop mostly.
They were producing that. They were producing a vision of the world that people might like to be part of. And that's what's being attempted here. I suppose it brings us to when you're in this idea of creating your own reality, creating a fictional reality.
No one, no one. I mean, in the classic example of that, and this is a drift that's occurring in Irish society, we'll come to our friend in a moment who's run into all sorts of legal problems inevitably. But the pinnacle of creating a fictional reality is Donald Trump, a fellow who inhabits a fictional reality.
a wacky world that makes no sense in the real world. He wasn't a successful businessman, but he was very successful, acting as a businessman in the apprentice. A fellow who is just grifted, who has created his own reality, who has raped multiple women, who has committed multiple criminal offenses, who has sort of used the world as this plaything.
This fictional character, if you like, who's created a fictional reality around himself, talking about making America great again and all of the rest of it. And the only idea is to hike taxes on the poor, reduce taxes on the wealthy, deregulate with corporations.
Let the mayhem ensue out there. You know, appoint Fox News correspondents, enter your cabinet, appoint an attorney general who had to withdraw whenever the New York Times and CNN informed him six hours before he was due to accept the nomination, that they were going to reveal stories, a new story of him sexually assaulting a 17-year-old girl.
And so he then pulled out, you know, saying, you know, I do not want to say this. I do not want to be a distraction to my president and his noble cause because you've got to stay in with the grifters. You've got to stay in the money in the money world.
And we're not at the stage yet. We're not at the stage yet, where that is acceptable in our society. But we're getting morning shots across the bows. And it's clear that Finnegano Finnegano, Finnegano Finnegano, should he know integrity?
None whatsoever, no political integrity, above and beyond, be elected, stay in power. Guard the interests of the wealthy, keep doing what we're doing, pay lip service to the others, put out nice wee videos about dogs and puppies and, you know, pints of Guinness, you know, a fucking interested in whether they drink pints of Guinness. I drink pints of Guinness. It doesn't mean that I'm a fucking statesman, someone who's able to negotiate, you know, the dark waters of politics.
and create real suggestions for people's real lives. I also happen to like dogs. Does anybody give a fuck whether I like dogs or not? The headline is somebody who doesn't like dogs. Maybe I'd vote for somebody who doesn't like dogs because at least you know they're being honest.
I actually interviewed for hyphen the UK side, I do some work for I interviewed, Dr. Umar Al-Khadri, the Muslim theologian, who's running as an independent candidate in Dublin West. Now he's very unlikely to get elected, but
He's a kind of remarkable man. And one of the reasons he's got into politics is because of the riots last year. And when, you know, at the time he had, you know, he's an incredible thing. He's a man who's responsible for Eid, you know, taking place in Crow Park since COVID in 2020.
The Eid celebration took place in Croke Park. He saw the footage of our Muslims praying in a car park in IKEA. And he thought, where could we have an open during COVID? Where could we have an open air celebration in Ireland?
And one person said to him, what about Crow Park? And he got onto them, and they said, immediately, the GEA said, absolutely, because this is, as he said to me in the piece, where we all belong is the GEA motto.
So he opened it up and they had, you know, they have like more than 500 people come there here. He invites Archbishop, how to live with Christ, this can be rabbis. Everybody comes there. And it's amazing thing. And he's running and well, he's just struck me because we're a year on from the riots and.
to see somebody doing something positive and somebody taking a positive action out of those riots when other people who put their head with a profile, as you well know, because you contacted the guards about them. And they did nothing.
Yeah. Whatever you've got, no boundaries. Whatever you start to make some money, as he did, as Conor McGregor did. You're in there in that Dana White world, which is a very misogynistic, hit-filled world.
You know, it remains me very much. You know, there are plenty of sort of very, very high-profile characters like this at the moment that are striking similarities, for example, with Andrew Titt. And they're useful.
These people are useful to the wealthier classes as well. Here's this man who has been financially very, very successful, particularly after his sort of comic book fight with Floyd Mayweather, probably the greatest boxer that ever box. He sort of kept him on his feet for nine or 10 rounds before he knocked him out.
you know, just to give the thing some credibility. And this guy has been lauded, has been allowed to do whatever he likes. I mean, whenever those young children were attacked outside the gale skull at the top of the whole street, you know, and I came on that incident. And it was really...
I can still feel my heart sort of beating today when I think of it. Because I was sure that that small child was dead. Yeah, I know you called me at the time. I'll never forget. One of the teachers, one of the teachers was trying to administer my stomach and keep her alive.
It was really a very terrifying bleak scene. And the idea then that that would be used, that would be used and exploited.
So the cards were there within a minute or two. People of good, good people, I mean the Brazilian scooter guy and the paramedic from the Philippines got involved immediately. Not worried about any risk to themselves. The guy was knocked to the ground and disabled.
And the guards were there very quickly. He was taken away. And, you know, the law, the law will do its work there. The law will do its work there. And, you know, he will really, he will receive a most heavy sentence if he is convicted, but the evidence looks overwhelming. Don't want to go any further because we have a rule of law and we respect that. But there's our friend, Conor McGregor, you know, who has
You know, really sampled the good things in life now, and has vast amounts of money, et cetera, et cetera. But, you know, you can put lipstick on a pig as my mother always says, but it's still a pig. And there he is, you know, if a building is earmarked for refugees evaporate said building. So, born it down. And people did that. Ireland, we are at war.
You know, young men went to war. One young man got six years this week for going to war. He was the fellow involved in burning the guard of the government, et cetera. And there he is, floating above the law. People seen it. He feeds it himself.
You know, I was met by very senior guards. I said, like, I think this could not be more serious. Met them twice with my legal advisors, my legal team. The document that we put together was vetted by a very eminent senior prosecuting counsel from the South.
and we put it all together for them. So concerned were we with the impact of this man's influence, his malign influence in society and the potential for loss of life and serious damage to property if he was allowed to continue doing what he was doing unchecked.
And I was assured I was met by the second in command for Lienster, the head of the serious crime team. They sat with us. We went through everything. I drafted and signed a detailed statement and nothing happened.
And he is a salutry sort of example of what happens when no boundaries are imposed on someone simply because they're very wealthy and have powerful legal teams. The law applies to everyone.
And here we've got a guy who, the worst thing for me was the time. I mean, I know what it was at the time, but the video that emerged of him punching the old man in his pub, because he wouldn't drink a shot of his whiskey, which apparently is manky. And anyway, you know, he's a script man sitting at the bar of maintenance on business.
trying to push a shot of the west yard and I said, no, it's okay, I won't have it. Bang! Cunches him, an elderly man. Gross disrespect for all the human beings, you know, in the violence, the thuggery.
And then the most horrific details that have emerged in High Court in Dublin about his now proven rape of this woman. Because though she was nothing whatsoever. And then which is clearly what the jury believed.
And the evidence was strongly supportive of this that he'd brought in this guy Lawrence as a patsy. That's the case that was made by the plaintiff's lawyers. That this guy had nothing to do with it. That he, there was none of his DNA was there.
On McGregor's DNA was all over her, the victim. None of his DNA was there, and the jury obviously disbelieved their case entirely. They did not believe that Lawrence was there at all. He gave evidence to them. They rejected that. They found only against McGregor.
I'm kind of confused as a lay person because as far as I could tell, she had taken a civil action against James Lawrence as well as Conor McGregor. Yeah, so if you think of it tactically, what they needed to do, I imagine this was their thinking because their strategy in court was to say he wasn't there at all, that he was brought in a week later. I mean, you'll recall the cross-examination that was set out in great detail in the papers of record.
where they said to him, look, you're lying about this. You were brought in by McGregor. You were paid by him to take the fall. They asked McGregor, did you pay his legal fees? And he said, oh, I don't know. I paid that many legal bills. The judge said, answer the question. He says, I probably did.
The reason that they sued him, I would think again strategically, that's what I would have advised is to sue him because that way we get him into court. Once he's in court, once he's in court, then we can put to him, you weren't there at all. This was part of an attempt to fool the investigating police, to fabricate evidence, to sort of pervert the course of justice. But you weren't there at all. And here's the medical evidence.
Here's the DNA evidence. Why do you not feature anywhere in this? Right. So kind of, how do you explain that? And then of course, the other thing is this, once, once I always find this one, once people get into the box, right? And make a lying case.
as they death in the courtroom. Like, especially someone who's not an expert, not used to being a witness. You know, it is a very frightening place. It's very intimidating place. And once someone gets into the box and they start to lie, as he, the jury quite clearly found that he was a liar from start to finish, that he hadn't been there, that he had lied, he had come in to try and protect McGregor to foil the police investigation, et cetera, et cetera.
There's an unmistakable stench. So that would have been the tactic. So that gets him there. Once he's there, then you can put it to him. And you can even write two verses. You know, did you do this too, but sort of leave your options open? But it was very clear from the way they conducted their cross-examination and the way they closed the trial to the jury that
Their position was he was not there in our client. There's no memory of him being there. He's been invited by McGregor, clearly, to make a statement which he's done. McGregor's taken care of his legal costs. This guy is here to pervert the course of justice and to pervert the course of this action. And that's what the jury believed.
Well, also the extraordinary fact that emerged as her lawyers, Nikita Hans lawyers, told the court that, you know, that she had had to leave her home in June due to a break-in by last through Schruder. The lawyers said they were not claiming that McGregor had anything to do with it, but they said, quote, it arose from supporters of Mr. McGregor, and the judge ruled that his evidence was not relevant and could not be introduced in the action, but it's shown... What if it's like valid drugs or thugs?
Balaclava thugs arrived there, smashed up the house, their armed with knives. The evidence was clear. The judge simply did not allow it because he felt that it was too prejudicial.
You know, this is too prejudicial. Yes, it can't be proven that it was McGregor. But this is where we are. Whenever you've got a guy like this who's lauded who young people adore. I mean, I've seen that the Reap Crisis Center just the day before yesterday highlighted the number of Irish rugby players who follow him on Twitter. I was like, oh my God.
you know, our role models like our Irish rugby team, all these lads that we look up to, and they're following this guy on Twitter, you know, and I mean, if you
You see that McGregor is a very useful tool for the wealthy. And you look at, for example, Andrew Tietu is his sort of British American twin brother. I mean, very similar, the time of the stabbings in Stockport, almost identical situation. He immediately started to spread disinformation that this was an illegal immigrant who had carried the attacks out, et cetera, et cetera. You know, to his 10 million followers on Twitter.
Then you've got the role in riots. You've got him encouraging them just the way McGregor was encouraging the riots here and the damage and the attacks on vulnerable human beings.
And the coincidences are endless. These boys who feel that the world is their plaything, they can do whatever they like. Tea at the previous multiple investigations through REAP in the UK. You know, a current live investigation in Romania for REAP and human trafficking. And now new charges of traffic containers, sex with miners, money laundering, 35 victims. And you look to his background.
Very Trumpian, you know, Hustlers University, a get-rich-quick scheme. You know, next up, a website called The War Room. It was $8,000 a pop to join. And one of the courses offered was a pimp in whose degree? Do you want to hear the description of this course that was offered? To learn techniques to romantically seduce, emotionally manipulate, and socially isolate women before luring them into performing in webcams.
And a whistle blower, eventually the whole thing came crashing down when a whistle blower had been the former head of sales and marketing came out and said, look, it was a violent and deviant cult. I was brainwashed by this, and he gave the nuts and bolts. And the similarities don't end there. These guys are all big crypto guys. They're all into crypto.
You know, another con. I don't know if you read Robert Reich's brilliant critique of it last week. But Tate launched a crypto coin called Daddy. And that had a market capitalization, but it went to market of almost quarter of a billion dollars.
You know, big pile of the fash, of course, like McGregor, Tommy Robinson, the English neo-Nazi, very close to Tit, you know. And the other thing that they all peddle is God. They're big God guys. Tit says, I'm acting under the instruction of God. You know, Tucker Carson described him as a traditional male hero in the gender culture war, you know.
I mean, the similarities are extraordinary, but the benign influence that they have, Dion, that's the thing. That's the thing. 40 years ago, 30 years ago before online people would have said, this guy McGregor is a dangerous sexual predator, a violent thug. And that's how we would have reacted to an Irish society. But now you've got this equivalence where you see a lot of young people believe, believe,
that that's a good way to behave. It's exciting. It breaks the rules. It's anarchic. It demeans women. Get women and fuck women. If they say no, it doesn't mean no at all. Tit teaches this. He actually teaches this and I'm going to quote
that women are inferior and morally deficient beings who deserve to be physically, sexually and emotionally abused. That's a quote from his Postlars University website. In January last year, an Australian survey, you know, sort of equivalent of Hugo, right, found that 28% of teenage boys look up to Andrew Tate.
A yukov poll in the United Kingdom, which is a big major polling organization, as you know, in September of last year, found that 26% of men from the ages of 18 to 29, and 28% of men, age 30 to 39, agreed with Tate's views on women. And this is the sort of cartel that is John Kavanagh. He's another one, McGregor Scootch, another hitmonger, a big crypto fan.
I mean, you know what he's been, you know what he's been pushing recently. That Donald Trump is ready to advise Conor McGregor on his bid to become Irish President. Right. Right. No, he pushed that in an interview with Lucky Block, which is a crypto casino website. You know, oh, fuck me. Like, you know, I'm going to know what he said in the interview. God, let me tell you the interview. Go on. Oh, Jesus Christ.
He said McGregor's a sharp mind and he would be a great Irish president. And he was asked, what is the president's role? Answer. Answer came down on. No, answer. I don't know. That's what he said. What is the president's answer? I don't know. Right. What political skills specifically do you think Connor could bring to the presidency? Right. Answer. Because this is my favorite one. He would be good for some of the simple budgeting stuff.
What the fuck is that? And then he went on to say, very bizarrely, because of course, this is absolutely nothing to do with the president of Ireland. He said, for example, if Connor was the president, that 300,000 bike shed would never have been built. He would have knocked heads together and fired them all on the spot. You talk about, you know, that's where you are. And young men are learning this stuff.
Yeah, I want to ask you about something a bit more specific about a show as a barrister as well, because when you talk about the walls and the boundaries that don't exist around certain people, one of the things that's been interesting and since the case ended is people talking about the reaction in court to when McGregor gave evidence. I read the reports of that, but you're reading just black and white.
And it was incredibly lowered and graphic. But then when you read that the details probably weren't allowed to be put into the piece during the case going on, I think it was a Miriam Lord piece where she said two separate people said to her, I need a shower after that, having witnessed some kind of graphically and sort of enthusiastically recount what he claimed had happened.
And it had to be addressed in meaning with the meaning that he spoke about her and that really got her thing, you know, and you know, I can analyze this sexuality, you know, because because he's living in a world inhabiting a world entirely now where whatever he says is treated with sycophantic endorsement and enthusiastic responses. That's the word, you know, he only has people around him who are going to respond like that. So when he when he arrives in court,
you've got to see a different reality takes briefly, and in this case, with an outcome that people can be relieved about. But it just struck me because one of the pieces, I think it was on the RT website by Orla Donald's just mentioning how his defense lawyer then addressed this in the summing up because
you know, they clearly knew that the jury, there was a gasp from the jury, I think, at one point, something he'd said. So they knew the jury didn't like him, you know? And I just wonder, as a barrister, what you do in those situations, when you have somebody you can see is actually, people are just sort of putting, you know, that his personality is jarring with the jury. The grit?
McCann, one of the great sort of eccentric jurists in the north. I remember him saying once in a case which he wasn't involved in, but the fella stood up and said he was representing himself in a very complicated high court trial. And Jack said, there he goes, the riderless horse in the Grand National. Once you put a witness in the box, particularly someone like Connor, who
you know, has only contempt for other human beings. You know, he just did his way, you know, and so far as he's concerned, you know, that was all fine because he's been enabled by everyone, you know, he has met presidents, he has met Trump, he has, you know, hung around with Putin, he's been lauded, you know, regardless of how disgusting his behaviors have been, you know, and, and,
So I think the more interesting question for me was, in light of the evidence that emerged, which was reported on, as it is allowed to be in a civil action, which it couldn't have been in a criminal action, in criminal action, in a criminal trial for any sexual assault. The accused is entitled to anonymity, as is the complainant, but not in a civil action.
And that was for me a massive statement from the plaintiff to say, you know, I'm doing this, and I may be up against these huge forces, and I may have had my house ransacked, and I may have suffered the way I've suffered for the last six years, but I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this, you know, because I must do this for my own self, for my own deeper self.
And I thought it was very, very moving the way she conducted herself afterwards. It was difficult not to feel very emotional at what she has clearly endured in the face of this sort of hatred and arrogance and contempt. But the question for me was, how? How reviewing the evidence
Did the public prosecution service come to the view that there was insufficient evidence to ground a conviction? I mean, that was the extraordinary thing for me. I mean, couple of simple facts. So Lawrence comes along a week later and makes a statement. Okay, to say, look, I was there as well. None of these things happened. I had sex with her too.
There's no trace of Lorentz on her, none, no DNA trace. Of course, the plaintiff's lawyers made hay with this. How were you there? How could you have been there? It was so forensically fertile because the assault on her was so violent.
as we learned when the doctor gave evidence on behalf of the plant. And as I understand that there were gasps from the jury when the photographs were shown because she went almost immediately to be examined. I really don't even like to talk about this in this sort of graphic so wouldn't.
So now the public prosecution of the service of God this guy said, I was there too and none of this happened. But there's no shred of evidence of him being there at the scene. And it emerges in the course of the civil trial. Was this not investigated? That is legal fees for going to the solicitor, who was McGregor's solicitor, were paid by McGregor. So this guy comes to McGregor's solicitors.
Right? Through them, through them, he's brought to the guards. And he says, oh, this is all wrong. I was there too. But in the absence of any evidence whatsoever that that was so, you know, did it not stink the high heaven? I mean, if I got that as a prosecutor, I'd be saying, oh, Jesus Christ. Connor, Connor, Connor, you might have had some shot at this, but you are fucked now, my friend. Well, hello.
Thank you for these instructions. But again, the question has to be asked, where the skills tipped against her because he was powerful and because they felt, well, look, what we don't want to do is to go into court and suffer a reversal against a very powerful, wealthy person like this.
Well, her family, Nikita Hansma family, have said they feel deeply, they feel let the DPP let us die. Well, I mean, I am staggered on the basis of the evidence, as it emerged, a jury of men and women who find unanimously for her, who rejected Lawrence's account that he was present, didn't find any damages against him whatsoever, because they couldn't if they disbelieved a story.
They believed her story entirely. They found for her, you know, precisely in the terms that were sought by the plaintiff's lawyers. And then you have a situation where afterwards, you know, when all of this appalling stuff
has been heard, that you've got the sky tweeting away again, you know, with impunity. And in normal circumstances, if he were an ordinary person, in my view, that was not ultra wealthy, that did not have powerful allies, he would be in prison for anywhere between seven and 10 years for the violent rape of this young woman, and then the attempted fabrication of evidence afterwards to suggest that someone else was involved so that
the investigating police would be left thinking, well, hold on. She doesn't even remember that this guy was here. And if this guy was here, how can we possibly believe her story?
You know? And it was that decision, in my view, that put the focus on her and raised questions about her credibility. You know, well, what is this? You know, no, no, actually, it's about her credibility, no. Is it a classic Irish story in that sense, isn't it? We often, we so often have to rely on, you know, like, Amaris McCabe, like whistleblowers, in many cases, are just people who are brave
who when the system fails them, they actually have to stand up and take their own action. And in the Kita hands case, it's an extraordinary, just an incredible journey of bravery, just phenomenal. I agree totally. I agree totally. And it was completely unsurprising. This was always going to happen to this guy. Just the way it's happened to Andrew Tiet, the way it's happened to Russell Brand, people like that, who are fated by the crypto people, who are fated by the right wing.
You know who speak in such a demeaning way, but women They treat the world as their playground everything in as in its for seal including women You know and if they're not for seal well, we'll rip them anyway because when they say no, it doesn't really mean no and I have to say you know they they
I didn't know the ins and outs of the evidence as most people didn't until the high court action. But it was very clear from an early stage of that action that the jury were going to find. I mean, as the details, the factual details were emerging, you were thinking to yourself all the time, how in the name of
Was he not prosecuted for this? And that, for me, is the big question that must be asked. Because, you know, the rules, and we see what happens when the law is ignored. I mean, the Israel-American evil, sort of evil axis, it's very simple.
Forget about everything else, every other consideration, the PRF, obey the law, and international law says you can't commit these crimes, and here are the list of crimes. And if you do commit those, you're broken the law, okay? But because America, back Israel, say, no, they haven't committed these crimes, the court is illegitimate, et cetera, et cetera.
Thank God, at least in our society, we still have rules, but the important thing and the important lesson going forward must be everyone, regardless of their status, regardless of their perceived power, they're well for anything else, must be taken to task for breaking those rules. And if that had happened, you know, Conor McGregor would be in a very different situation today. He wouldn't be tweeting and continuing to cause damage. If I were
If I were on her legal team, I would now be saying, look, let's draft defamation proceedings and get them out. Because this is a flagrant, a flagrant attack on the court's decision, the jury decision. It's a collateral attack on the integrity of our legal system. And there would be, in the defamation case, like this exemplary and aggravatory damages.
That's what I'd be doing if I was part of our legal team and laterally tweets that come out over the weekend from both of them. I think they spent so much time, they spent so much time observing Donald Trump and John Kavanaugh doesn't know what the Irish president, how the Irish president works, they also.
clearly don't know. It's good for us. But they don't know how the Irish libel laws work too. So they think they can treat like Donald Trump in an entirely different jurisdiction. I think that could be that you say something that comes home to come home to roost. And we will be back on Thursday. You ask yourself if there's any people out there.
You know, we think that he's a hero. You ask yourself this. Imagine he came home with your daughter and she said, Daddy, I've met Connor and I'm going to Mario. We'll be back on Thursday. Thanks for listening.
