Confronting Joey Graceffa About ESCAPE THE NIGHT, Shane Dawson & Colleen Ballinger
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January 30, 2025
TLDR: YouTube stars Joey Graceffa and Trisha discuss their past awkward moments, from 'Escape the Night' incidents to party invites, as well as why Oscar had to eat dog treats while working for Joey.

In this episode of the podcast, host Trisha Paytas sits down with YouTuber Joey Graceffa to discuss their complicated friendship, the ups and downs of social media fame, and the behind-the-scenes tales from Joey's hit show, Escape the Night. This informal yet engaging dialogue highlights key concepts, personal stories, and humor, making it a captivating listen.
Awkward Moments and Christmas Party Drama
Joey and Trisha address their history together, starting with Trisha's infamous Christmas party uninvitation. They reflect on how their friendship evolved from initial dislike to camaraderie. Trisha calls Joey her ‘number one hater’, creating a humorous atmosphere as they recount their experiences and the misunderstandings between them.
- Key Highlights:
- Trisha shares her feelings about being uninvited to Joey’s Christmas party.
- They laugh about how their friendship began amidst public scrutiny and unnecessary drama.
Escape the Night: Behind-the-Scenes Gossip
The conversation dives into Joey’s experience on Escape the Night, exploring anecdotes from his time on the show. The episode revolves around his friends portraying both tension and camaraderie as they reminisce about pranks and friendships forged in the chaos of filming.
- Notable Moments:
- Oscar, a frequent collaborator, shares stories about his editing challenges and the collaborative energy between him and Joey.
- Trisha and Joey discuss their personal opinions on the dynamics within Escape the Night and its impact on their friendship.
The Power of Spiritual Practices
A significant theme in the discussion is spirituality and protection through rituals. Joey speaks candidly about developing his spiritual practices, even sharing a humorous anecdote about how he would piss in a protective circle while letting his dogs out, believing it would shield him from negativity.
- Insights:
- They humorously discuss the unconventional methods of personal protection, highlighting how humor can help navigate serious topics like trauma and skepticism.
- They delve into astrology and personal growth, emphasizing the importance of understanding oneself in chaotic environments.
Personal Affairs: Loving Dogs and Building Futures
Joey shares his passion for fostering puppies and his engaging work in rescue, bringing a heartfelt touch to the conversation. His dedication to animal welfare shines bright as he explains his efforts to provide loving homes for pets in need.
- Takeaways:
- Joey mentions starting his own pet brand named 'Tail', focusing on pet wellness supplements, showing commitment to promoting well-being for pets.
- Their discussion highlights the balance of personal joy and public persona.
Reflections on the YouTube Landscape
The podcast concludes with reflections on fame, YouTube culture, and the evolving nature of online content creation.
- Key Points:
- Trisha and Joey engage in conversation around their mutual experiences navigating the entertainment industry, sharing humorous and poignant moments of personal revelation.
- They discuss the changing dynamics of friendships in the digital age, as relationships become intertwined with public perception and social media backlash.
Final Thoughts
This episode encapsulates the essence of Joey Graceffa and Trisha Paytas’ friendship, their individual journeys, and a playful exploration of life as creators. Their laughs echo throughout the episode, linking the serious discussions of mental health, spirituality, and the complexities of fame to a narrative of enduring friendship.
- Overall Message:
- Friendship can withstand adversity, and through all the ups and downs, humor remains a vital part of their relationship.
Listeners are left with both comedic anecdotes and valuable life lessons, making it a must-listen for fans of both personalities.
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Oscar is here. Why would you, why would you do this? Oh, is there, is there an issue? I would get her so much. She's never invited. But actually is invited. I love the tea. That's actually so true. When I let the dogs out on my backyard, I literally sent a circle and be like, I am protected. Oh, I peed in a circle for sure. I did that all the time and help. I feel like around this house has helped so much for sure. I had the whole house. I was like, I need a circle of protection.
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Hello, and welcome back to the Just Church Podcast. Today, we have OG YouTuber, and probably our number one hot topic we talk about every episode. He's here in the flesh, means he doesn't watch the podcast show here. No, I do. I do. I don't know. I feel like it's always cute, Shady, but I'm always like, I don't know about Joey. Listen, how did our friendship begin?
You were like my number one hater and then we became friends. And then it's full circle. No, you were actually so nice. I always talk about that. You were probably the first person to be like, because I had a bad reputation and you were the first person to be like,
Okay, I'll give Trisha a chance. No, I could see through it like I know you have like the biggest heart and I want to say like I knew from the beginning that you were the sweetest and Regardless of what people said in my comments about like collabing with you I was like she's iconic and everything and I don't care what you guys say one day you will Get on board and they did yeah
Finally I Love clapping with you because you were the first like wholesome I'm glad with it. I felt like once I had your seal to prove I was like, yeah, I'm in and not really I wasn't really in but I loved it I feel like we should start an Oscars here today. I've run Oscars here
I don't know if they know the full lore, which I was like, it's kind of funny, but also I'm like, we were talking because I always once you want. And I was like, is it awkward? Is it like weird? No, I know. She always thinks like, why are you going to be awesome? I was like, no. Well, because like, OK, so I asked Oscar to be a part of this podcast in summer of 2023.
And he's like, and I'm like, I didn't really know what you were doing. To be honest, I didn't know you worked at ET. Definitely didn't know you worked with Joey. So I was just like, yeah, so he's like, well, I kind of like produced an edit for Joey. And I was like, I don't need you to produce an edit for me. Like, can you do it? But he was so busy. He said your videos took so long.
Well, yeah, I feel like we started with mostly just, like, vlog and, like, random content. Like, one that I think of is the cake video, where I, like, had, like, five bakeries, like, bake me a cake, and he freaking, like...
became one of the bakers secretly. Oh, really? Yeah. It was within a twist. I always do it in a little twist with Joey's video. I love to troll him like whenever I could just to round him up. Yeah. Because he reacts well. Like you react well. Yes. Someone's like messing with their head. Yeah. Definitely. So you gave me a budget for like these cakes. And meanwhile, the example was Rosanna Pansino and she had like these like busts that were made out of cake. Well, yeah, that's what I thought was going to happen. It's like, I thought these bakers were going to make me as a cake. Oh, yeah.
And so when you showed me the cakes, and they were just like, simple, basic cakes. Two tears. Oh, wait, no one did a face of you? No. Oh, wait, what? That's just changing the concept. That's just like, we're not even gonna do what you asked for. No, but it ended up being so funny, and he snuck in a cake that he made without telling me. Was it good? Yeah, it was. Could you tell the difference? Honestly, some of these bakers were charging like thousands of dollars, and it was- Okay, not thousands. A couple hundred.
So we'll do $1,000 for the kids' birthday. It's like $1,000 for their cake. So yes, some of them are wild. No, for real. So you were doing that. OK, so stuff like that. But then it became, I was doing white wall content where it was kind of like social experiment jubilee cut videos. Yes. And that was way more involved. Like that took days for you to edit. Yeah, because we'd spend like a whole day shooting like what? Four episodes. Yeah. And then each one would take like a week of like eight hours a day editing because they were so involved. And also like,
It was new for you to edit. He had never edited that style. So other editors who do that could do it quicker. But this was a learning curve for him as well. Such like a full week. Yeah, because even editing, I feel like I was a casual editor. But I learned a lot from him, obviously. I don't know. You would have given me notes. And I just became better through editing for him. Because I didn't really have much editing experience before I worked with him. But you always had the eye. He always would make things so much funnier.
and like he would be the voice of my cat Sakura and my vlogs, my pet vlogs. Like a voiceover? No, he would put like these nasty little subtitles where my cat would read me because it was actually him reading me. Yeah, but the little text that he put on the screen calling me like a twink and whatnot. Oh my God.
That's kind of a compliment. That means you're tiny. I think that's what, Oscar was the best. We lost him as well because he got too busy for us editing, so we have a different editor now, but he was really good and great. But what happened wasn't at the beginning, and then there was one time right at the beginning, he goes to Hawaii for his birthday every year. And I got a text from Joey and I was like, I haven't heard from Oscar, have you? And then I'm texting out.
Do I tell Joey that I've heard from you? Like, I think he's worried. Like, I don't know. And then we're in this, like, triangle. And then it became, like, crazy. And then one day, you're like, well, I don't work for Joining Warren. I was like, oh my God. I'm like, did I poach you? Is that OK? Or did you let him go? Or like, what was the tea? So my content was, like, dwindling down. I was kind of, like, shifting gears a little bit. And I just didn't have the work, really, for him anymore. So, like, I had him on, like, a monthly retainer. And I was like, honestly, it's, like,
not making sense for me anymore to like pay you this amount when I just don't have the work for you. Yeah, because we went from like daily on the vlog channel and then like what like once a week on his main channel. And sometimes I wouldn't post it all. So I was like, like let's just do like per video thing. And so it was kind of like perfect timing that like this opened up and like you could
Take him and so. We switched out. It was great. It was perfect timing and we're so lucky to have him. And now really, you're just like co-host at this point, which is great because it started out as like producer, editor, and then now it's just like full and close. It was just wonderful. Now we have Jimmy and all that. I think, OK, good. That's why I'm glad. I was like, wait, is this so weird that it's like? You always think it would be awkward. Oh my god. Which we pretend. Should we do a skit? Yes, awkward. Just be like, oh, so what do you think? Oscar is here.
why would you why would you do this oh is there is there an issue i mean yeah i mean he saw a sinking ship and he jumped wow okay this was your audition first keep the night
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I think now because thankfully people like me now it's very great but it's like I get a lot of tags like oh Trisha should be a skate the night movie and I'm just like never because they never wanted me when I was not popping and so now nothing I was asked but I always see that and like triggered something in me that like Jenny and it was asked twice when you didn't even like it the first time and I was like how?
We react to the escape the nightmare, by the way. And we love Gaby now. She's like, yeah, yeah. Apologize. I was like, you, where she did a public apology. And I was like, I accept it, even though it's not to me. Or you, really. Honestly, I just wanted to move on from that. So I was like, honestly, I accept it. Because I really didn't harbor too much negative feelings towards her after I said my piece and people sided with me. I was like, OK, good.
Period. I'm done. You did eat. We reacted. I think it's coming up on Patreon this week. Yes. We reacted to your video reacting to her escape the nightmare. Oh my god. I was fired. I remember it so bad. You edited that one. He's like, oh yeah, this is where I cut this out. Yeah. When you really did eat, she got an eight though too. We were kind of going back and forth like, there are some good points in hers too. So like watching it now, so many years late, I wasn't involved with it. Yeah, you were the whistleblower. You're the whistleblower.
That's my favorite clip. You just kept going. Keep going while your head is up. I do apologize, Gabby. I went in on for no reason. I was not part of Skate the Night. I wasn't a part of Gabby Hannah's Lord. I did go in for no reason that I do apologize for...
Because I was like, why am I so mad at something I wasn't even voted? I loved it. So, escape the night. And Daniel was here. He did fill in a sin. Because there are some things like the Christmas party, escape the night. The Christmas party escaped the night. Be uninvited. Yeah, being uninvited to that. The Christmas party comma escaped the night. Not being invited to. You were uninvited from the Christmas party. I wasn't invited in 2019.
Yeah, didn't know that. Yeah, and I think in the Gabby video, she talks about it. And Daniel replies, oh, it wasn't about you. It was about Trisha's not invited. But then Gabby buys a Christmas present and she ends up not getting invited to that Christmas party either. So she was like, Daniel, you told me it was Trisha, not me. But Daniel really was both of us. He was just throwing me into the bus.
Do you remember this? Literally no recollection, but probably a Daniel thing. Daniel was the drama, wasn't he? Yeah, he was the drama here. I didn't know. I think he might have been one of our controversial guests here. Really? People were weirdly like, oh, Daniel, which I think he's just under the radar. Sweet. You know what I mean? Like, and then people kind of were, I don't know. People were a little... I mean, he says it like it is, to be honest. Like, yeah, I think he... Yeah. He says what? A lot of people are thinking, to be honest.
Yeah, I think that's why I like him. He's kind of sassy, but yeah real sometimes. I think so. Yeah. He loves during the pot though. Like he, I think back in the day, not as much anymore, but you know, he used to love like tweeting, like sub tweeting and everyone. Oh, yes. We know who you're talking about. Oh my gosh. A hundred percent. Which how did you guys even date because you're so not drama and he's still the drama?
I think I kind of liked that though. He brought a lot out in me as a person and my personality because I feel like I was, I let people walk over me and stuff and he really taught me a lot of ways to protect myself. So boundaries. And also to be a little snippy at times. Can you be? I feel like you're so not. No, I definitely can be. In real life? Yeah.
Oh, this is a new joy, I don't know. I think I've never seen you ever know. I think it's the Taurus. I think it takes a lot to get us to a place of getting fired up. But when we do, we unleash. Yes, Taurus with mental illness over here. Sorry about going for me. It is true. I'm a little chill. Yeah, I think now I'm more like that does take me a lot to get riled up. But when we do, it's like unleashed for sure. Oh my god, yeah. But you are always so calm. When you and Daniel broke up,
Did you feel lost because I feel like in a way, and I mean this like in a good way, like me and Moses, it's like that same sort of relationship where he like is just so organized. Like I remember I'd come over to your house and he like have stuff set up and he'd have the waters and he'd decorate and he'd like, he like kept you like together. When you guys broke up where you're like, oh my God, what do I do? How do I take care of myself?
No, because I'm like such a chill, relaxed person. I think he cleaned up a lot of my mess around the house, but it didn't matter to me. I live in my own little world, so if things weren't going the way that they were, whatever.
Really? So you were able, because I truly feel like if it wasn't right, I wouldn't know what to do. I wouldn't know how to take out the trash. I wouldn't know how to pop for a mouse. Like if you have a dead mouse, you're like, who are you calling? I had a house manager who kind of was able to take care of those day-to-day things, dealing with the gardeners and the poll person. So I kind of had someone to do that.
Like, he'll come over to my house and he'll be like, oh, this place is like being disarray. And I'm like, what? Like, what's in disarray? Like, everything's fine for me. Like, I'm happy with how it is. So... So, for Christmas, do you have an empty house now? No. He decorates it. No.
Who comes over to do this? My house manager does with me. I need to know because I always ask Moses like if something happens like what am I gonna do? Who do I hire? Where do I find somebody? And he's like, I don't know. But house manager as well. Okay. And see, we need that. Yeah. Okay. So did someone come? Okay. I love Daniel's decorations. I would just have some more. Oh, so good. He's like so impressive with his like eye and like what he does. And you're not back together.
I did see that on the podcast. You asked him for like, it's so romantic. I feel like, yeah, because I feel like you keep your dating life like two private these days. Why? Well, like I sometimes like if I go on a date, like I sometimes want to talk about it, but I'm afraid that they'd like see it and then it would be weird. Are you dating people on social media? No. Okay. So these are people who don't have social media. So how are they see it?
No, when they find out, usually on the first date of second date, they'll find out that I do social media. So I'm like, if they're going and stalking, and I do a review of the date, that is so weird. It is kind of weird, I guess. But I mean, people would like it, though. They want to know what the tea is.
It's hard especially I think a lot of friends of people like if you say oh like the girls like if the gay has a girlfriend and then oh I went on date with this guy and then the girls are usually see and Then they tell the person you went out with yeah, and then I guess what they'd be worded out I don't know I think it'd be kind of sweet that's kind of cute especially if it went well like you wouldn't be like oh my god This was awful because you want to see him again anyway is true Do you know what I mean? So at least it'd be cute if you like it went so well, then you know how you feel you don't have to express to them how you're feeling they could just see it and
Okay, all right. I do miss like setting him up on dates and stuff though. Remember when we were cast for like the Jubilee videos? I would just go on his Instagram and just follow like I thought would be so annoying. You were not even like producer. You're like in the DM. He was like in my account following all these gays. Oh my god. Were you talking to them? Yes. I was mean. Did you and did you were you into are you like okay I'm on these dates?
Well, it was for video, but some of them I'd be like, oh, he's actually cute. And no love match from that. No. Damn. I just tried. I know. Yeah, you tried. What is your type even? Because you have only seen you date Daniel. I haven't seen anyone else you've dated. I would say just tall dark enhance on the classic. Like I really love like an olive tone, like dark bearded, like masculine man. There's probably a lot of those out there. You would think.
Where are they? Well, not in London because you're in London. Oh true. And I don't know if there are any. No. Over there. They're mostly like Ed Sheeran types, right? I don't know. I don't know. They all son over there. That's all they mean. Yeah, maybe I need to go to Italy.
You'll meet Daniel over there. He's over all the time. Okay, do you miss? Okay, you're back to the dogs now. You're back to puppies. Yeah, back to animal blogs. Okay, and did you do that because you love the puppies or you love the views?
I mean, a little bit of bull, to be honest. Because Oscar would say, like, no, he really does, like, care for all these types of switches. Yeah, a lot of work. Yeah, because, I mean, people, there'd be, like, obviously, no matter what you do, there is going to be, like, negativity and the stuff that I would see, really, the only, like, drama that you would be in would be, like, oh, he's just using the puppies. But it actually is so much work. Like, I remember when you went out of town for just, like, a weekend and I was, like, stepping in. Oh, gosh. And I had, like, I had to have Darien come and help me because all the poo
everywhere and like that one room where they would be in one of the Huskies ate the walls and stuff like it was a lot of work and Joey was so calm about everything like he was you were never shook even when the dogs are like being nuts it was crazy and you don't have
with the dogs? No I do it on myself. That is and how many you have right now like at your house? So I'm fostering a mom with her seven puppies right now and then I have my three so that's 11. And where do they all stay like right now? So I have like a separate room it's like my dog room and so they're there right now but I love it so much like I'm such a dog lover through and through and it's so exciting when I get a pregnant dog because one is
I don't know when it's gonna happen. I don't know how many it's just gonna happen. I don't know what they're gonna look like. So it's like a mystery box. It's so fun. And then they come out and they're so freaking cute. And I just love it so much. And then what do you do with all the dogs?
You give them away? Yeah, so I work with a foster called Wagemore Pets, or Rescue, and so they interview people who, like, either my audience that has been watching my vlogs of, like, me documenting the whole process of raising them, or, like, they use their network to get people to adopt. Wow, and then they come to your house and pick it up. No. Oh. I bring them to Wagemore. Oh, I see the same other thing. Oh, I see. Okay, so they're, like, the interim. Yeah. Oh, my God. And then how long we have these dogs for?
I usually have them for two months from when they're born. And then they're gone and then you find another dog or you keep the same dog? No, so then we find a home for the mom too. We get her fix and then send her, get her to like a new loving home. So yeah, the first one, the one that I have right now, she like, it's so heartbreaking. She was in Bakersfield, which is about like an hour and a half outside of LA and the family dumped her.
because she was pregnant. She found her way back to the family and they dumped her again. So one of the neighbors like swooped in and let her in her backyard and then I stepped in. And how do they contact you through wagmore?
Okay, so they'll call them. They'll be like, is there a place they can put this on? Oh my gosh. So then Melissa at Wackmore will be like, I got just the person. Because not a lot of people take in pregnant dogs. Like a lot of times what will happen is they'll euthanize the dog or the puppies. And it's really, really sad because it's a lot of work. So how do you have the time?
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I mean you could be doing so much especially as I get influenced or people are just like so selfish with their time Like that's crazy. That's like taking care of like seven babies or even like a pregnant dog Like said never knowing when they're about to give birth always have to be an alert like a pregnant human and just like and that's so stressful at the end Just like okay. What do we do? We just have to stay at home and like wait for it
Well, I let her out to pee, and she came back running in bloody, and I was like, what just happened? She gave birth to the first puppy in my yard at 11 p.m. And then what did you do? And then I had to help her give birth till 4 a.m. No, you didn't. By yourself. Yes, by myself. Oskar's been there for like, how many birds? A good talk of them. There was one time, I think it was around Valentine's Day or something. I was supposed to go on vacation too, but one of them, we named her chicken fry.
She went into labor. I remember I had to reschedule it because I think it was the second dog that you had. It was like, was it May? No, it was the one she was found in a Burger King.
Do you remember her? Oh, yes. And it would be like random times you'd be like, I think it's happening now. You might have to come over and be like, okay, there I am. Luckily, you live close, so it was always easy. Wait, so like, you fucking, so you're driving past a Burger King. You're like, that dog, let's get him. No, this was her backstory. Oh, okay, okay. She was bound. So then they got to wait more for Burger King. Okay, got it.
So you would assist in the birds? I would film usually. I was really gagging, gagging in the background because it is pretty gruesome. Like they come out and they're like wet and bloody. So what are you doing with the placenta? What are you doing with all this? The mom eats it. All what? It comes out in a sack and then it comes out with the umbilical cord with the after birth and she gobbles it down. And you cut the umbilical cord? No, she does with her teeth.
Is this common for every dog? Yeah. They just know what to do. Yeah. That's not everything actually. That's so fierce. Yeah. I can do that with my baby. It's a lot easier. Yeah. That is. Wait, what is there ever complications? Like do they have C sections for dogs? Yeah. So I did have one. She was allegedly a pug. She was not. Oh, yes. But, um,
She was too small and one came out and was just stuck and I was like trying to figure out how to get it out and I couldn't and I had to rush her to the hospital and that puppy unfortunately didn't make it but the rest survived. How many were there total? I think there was maybe six.
Yeah, and they're coming out just like a human like a out there. Yeah, this one came. What is it when they come out backwards? What is that called? Yeah, breach. And so the head was like stuck in the pelvis and couldn't get through the birth canal. Oh my gosh. So the rest had a BC section.
Oh my god, you might be the most charitable YouTuber. I don't know what it's doing this. Like that is actually a date. Like I know you're filming it and whatever, like obviously that's like a full-time, more than full-time job. You're doing it 24 hours a day. Yeah. It's a lot, but again, like I love it. I just launched my own pet brand, so. Wait, what is the pet brand? It's called Tail T-A-L-E. I'm starting with like dog supplement treats. So I have like a skin and coat and a calming one that just like gives them the nutrients that they need.
Partnering with someone or you know what this you're like in the lab Yeah, no, I made sure it was a testing making sure it's all great ingredients and Yeah, the skin coat made my dogs fur like so soft and shiny in two days
And then I have a calming one that literally makes them fall asleep. Oh, like a sedative? No, it calms them down. My dogs have separation anxiety, so I just give them a few of these if I'm leaving today. And then I come home and they're just like, what? Were you even gone? Oh, it's natural stuff. It's natural. And safe, obviously. Yeah. I think I saw this. Did you have a launch party?
Yes. Purple and teal. Yes. I don't think I was invited. You'd be worried by that. Yes, but we had a film that day. No. Yes. Remember, we got the text at the same time.
For me, it's from the white site. This is like actually Alan. You were invited Alan. That's not true. I am the Alan in so many situations. You're so bright. Oh my gosh. Wait, why were we were at Patreon? What were we doing? We were probably interested in all of you last. Honestly, I think it was. Oh, really? You're good in New York. And we did. Same with Escapenite, the movie.
No one reached out for that. There's no way no one reached out. I reached out to you. I texted you like five times. No, you didn't. Yes, I did. For Escaping Night or a project. We got a fact check this. I feel like it was like, I have a project coming up. Which was Escaping Night? But I feel like if it was Escaping Night, I would have responded. Oh my god. Again, Ellen. Yes. Even had Rosanna ask you.
Really? I swear, I don't represent not even being whatever. I also just might be a little out of my mind sometimes. That would get her so much never invited, but actually is invited. A lot of the tea that's actually still out of the tea. Yeah, yeah. Her mind is questionable. You would have me on a skate the night. Do you have to get approvals for this new one you're doing? No, so it's already been shot. Oh.
Which I saw you We're gonna have Tana on to talk about tea. Did she come on cuz I wanted to see what she said She is coming on soon this afternoon in a few hours But she did what cuz she was talking we were talking about escape the nightmare the Gabby versus you back then I was there when the chicken incident happened and I was like Oh, I need to know That's what I need to know there was like a chicken when she was freaking out over the food with
Oh, the healthy meal. Yeah, she said she was there during one of the. Oh, I can't wait to hear about this. Yeah, right. Same. I know anyone cares about this tea except for us, but I think it's fascinating. Me too, because we were watching it. I was like, well, I need to know. So she was going to talk about that. Are you sure not allowed to talk about skate the night movie?
I mean she basically did on her podcast so it's like she's like I can't say what show it is but basically you had a run around and you had to escape while it's nighttime. I'm like girl, just say that freaking name. I think the cast was like there is there is a TikTok that looks like your TikTok that like leads the photos and stuff like I saw you dress and like you're the little back to the future outfit and I was like oh I think Joey posted this and it wasn't it was like this other TikTok and we're like
I did post that. I obviously didn't say it was Escape the Night, but people are like little investigators. I mean, yeah, that's... So not all... There's some that they've gotten right, but there's still a few that have stayed hidden. I feel like I know the whole cast. That's what I thought it was like out there, because there's that TikTok, and they just show everybody that's gonna be on it. So I was like, I don't know if this is a secret anymore. There's a couple that they haven't exposed, so holding on to those. Do people know who they are?
What the other people like what they know what they'd be like right because of the ones I saw were very recognizable names are the people they have a guess more Rosanna and now Tanner like the only ones I've been exposed it But it looks like it would be an official escape the night account, but they're they're pretty deep. They pretty they know what's up. I know I kind of live
And it's a movie. Well, not really. It's essentially like an additional episode because we filmed it the same way we would the show. And there's like some scripted moments, but it's mostly just like us like live action role playing. That sounds so fun. No, I'm not going to lie. You'd be so good. No, so here's the thing. Hey, I'm jealous.
So what I'm gonna do is I'm going to pitch it to a network. Kind of like how the traders has its own like each season self-contained. Yeah. I want to basically go to a network like Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, wherever and be like, do you want your version of the traders? Here's the format of Escape the Night with no context of the previous seasons like being part of it, but just the formula. And then each season will be self-contained. So I want you to be in that. I'm done.
It approved by Amazon probably has to do approvals and I'm telling you Amazon's not my biggest fan I'm very fascinated to know who would say yes and I guess it's called me be like church I really wanted you but they said no I appreciate that more Gigi told me when she was here I was the first guest on her podcast and I was like what happened to that episode she literally like
I respect it. When you do say that, it makes me feel better, but then I still am kind of like, damn, that's kind of crazy because we watched, did we watch it escape the night? We saw something and I'm like, these people are kind of problematic actually. There were some people on there that I was like, how are they on there but not me?
Yeah, no, honestly. There was some crazy, like... I was always very frustrated with YouTube when they wouldn't let you on. That is wild. They were like, you have to have at least a million followers and like... I definitely did back then. No, you definitely did. Yeah. But like there was other people like Nikita Dragon, they were like almost didn't let her on. Really? And like she just brought like the best TV possible. Yeah.
We didn't watch that season, but I like the poster for that season. I think I've just seen clips, but then I'm like, this is kind of good, actually. It is production. It's a good budget. The costumes were good. Because of Gabby's video, I started watching the ones, and I was like, wait, that costume kind of eats, actually. It was good. The production was good. The sets were good. I don't know. And it obviously did well, because what is it? Four seasons. Yeah, four seasons. People constantly ask me, like, we're season five, we're season five, and I'm still working.
And it's kind of camp now, too, because at the time, I mean, I'm sure everyone loved it. Obviously, it's why you got billboards in multiple seasons. But looking back, it's nostalgia. You know what I mean? And it's kind of like, ooh, we want that back. And I feel like old school YouTube, no one wants a lot of that back. But that one was, do you think traders ripped you off?
I don't. I feel like it's similar in some senses. It kind of feels like a cousin. I didn't watch it for a while because I was kind of, well, it made me a little mad to see it. But then when I watched it, I was like, oh, okay, wait, no, I live for this. It's not like a complete ripoff. It feels like it's its own show.
Can you J.C. remember they wanted to do Escape the House, like a twist off reality house, but like meets Escape the Night? They didn't call that ever went anywhere. That would have been sweet. What? How do you know that? They were like, we talked about it when it happened. It was a while ago, but they paid sick. This seems vaguely familiar. Or they were talking about it, like they were putting it out. They were like, we have this crazy concept called Escape the House. And I remember you were.
Helped it about it because it sounds familiar. Yeah, they just were starting to pitch it and like put it out there like a spin-off of reality house Which was basically like escape the night and they like they wanted to get it on TV and stuff luckily didn't like basically Like escape the night but taking place in one house like escape the house That sounds bad
I just can't because it's like themed, which is like, which is traders is not. I mean, it does have its like, theme-ish kind of, but it is, it's very murder mystery dinner theater. Yeah, there's no real role playing in that. Yeah. And there's no like, fun. Well, there are fun challenges, but it's not like, no, Escape the Night is still better. So I'm not mad at all. It definitely is. Like, I do love the concept. I think that's why I was always like, sad to never be a part of it. You'd be so good. You know, I love a good cosplay too. Yes. Cause there was one season that you just had like repeat people. I was like, really? So that was,
There was um, that was the all-star season. Plus Bretman Rock.
There was. Yeah. I'll start as plus one more new. And I was like, wait, that's, was that the last season then? Yes. And then what happened? You two, it was sponsored by YouTube Red. They funded it. And then you just close up or what happened? Yeah. I mean, I was kind of gagged when they didn't pick up. So there was like changes in the background of like who was running YouTube premium. And I think the show just got too expensive for them. And they were like, we're just going to focus on crappy shows. And are they still around? Are they still producing? No, it closed down. Oh.
So they probably just rake bread out of money. Yeah. Like that's a lot of things. I feel like a lot of people get money and then just kind of like close down. Like full screen was giving people like money for shows. Oh, I forgot about that. Yes. And they had budget and it's like, then they just kind of like close. Yeah. I think like Snapchat too was just giving so much. I mean, I think they're doing okay, but I have a feeling they'll like close up. You know what I mean? Like they'll close down soon because they just give so much money out and then they're like, or who was the other one? Spotify. They were doing like all these big deals and then like now they have like no money. They let go Heidi and Spencer, like they let go out so many people.
I mean, I don't know. That's just like what I didn't know. You've been on doing podcasts. You're on Rose. Yana's podcast, who you love here. Love Rose. Would you ever do your own? No. Why? Because like, I'm scared to get canceled. No, I literally don't have anything to talk about. Like, I'm so bland and boring. Like, yes. That's interesting.
I don't even call themselves that, which is so interesting. You're not. I would say I'm more of a listener than a talker, so having to come up with something to talk about every single week, I'd be so bored. But the goodening about you is that you have so, you've been through so many eras of YouTube, and you were kind of in the middle. Similar to you, you were in the middle of a lot of friend groups and scandals. Everyone knows everyone. The difference is you said everything already.
There's so many friendship. I feel like we can definitely get down that hook. There's so many groups that you were a part of that are like what happened to them? Where is it? I know. The only one you weren't a part of was the sister one, right? You weren't in sister squad or were you? No, I wasn't. Okay, so where were you at that time? You were the British people at that point?
with the sister squad? You look kind. You were, I don't even know what. You knew James, but you weren't with like M.R. or the Dolan. No. So are you in London? Cause you were like with London people a lot at one point. Are you like there in the same? Wait, are you talking about like Thai sister? Was it? You know like sister squad was James Dolan. Why do I feel like you were not in that? No. Okay, so there was this other group of like British people. It was like so well. That was way, way, way before. That was the dawn of time.
James was a fetus. I thought the British squad was after your tributes era, after your Hunger Games era. That was like 2013-14. So when is the tribute era? When's the Hunger Games era? That was 2012. And when did you start? 2007. Your channel, not the Winter Pro. Winter Spring Pro was 2007.
Wow, so you know, like just as long as me. Yeah, that's crazy, because I really don't know anyone who's been on, do you, like, maybe again, I'm not just not remembering. Do you know anyone who's been on since 2007? That's still there. I just came to my heart. I just came to my heart, yeah. We do love her. She really is a queen. She was like my idol growing up. I was like, me too. She's everything. But you started the same time as her. Yeah, and she was everything. Really? Yes. Were you just really into like map books or what?
Not back then she was doing like skits and music videos and really like she would I think she put in a camera on her head and she was like did went live for like 24 hours before. It was like a thing. She was really ahead of the curve. She's always been. Oh, I had no idea. She's still doing sketches and stuff. No, she's like reviews. She's paid by Apple.
I don't know. Now she goes to the real events and stuff before her thing was she had to sneak in but now she gets like the VIP ticket and she gets the freaking iPhones like two weeks before anyone else. I don't know if Apple pays or if they just give you like exclusive content. I don't know. And like, and your friends with her? Yeah. You still talk to her? Sometimes, yeah.
I'm so fascinated by that. Like, I love it. She has really gone through what now we've been on YouTube for 18 years, 18 years of YouTube with no scandal. Like, you know, little scandals. Yours are so uncertain. Before he got in here. He's like, let's not talk about the parking thing.
I know, yeah, but I need to put on Rosiella, but it's like not even a scandal, which is so funny. All your scandals were so not scandals, which is like- I was always associated with the person who was the scandal. Yeah, that's true. Let's think about it. It was like, Shane, you, Gabby, Colleen- Of course, that's associated that much, you think? Me and you? Yeah. I think, I don't know. Well, whenever we would collab, like people would get like- Upset. Yeah.
That's so crazy. I was so unaware back then. I knew, but I didn't know. You know what I mean? I mean, there was like two sides of the fence. People loved when we were together and some people just didn't. That's so interesting. It was always... Because I thought back then, because I was friends with Shane, by proxy, people were like, we liked Trisha. You know what I mean? Yeah. Till Shane got canceled. Do you think you'd ever be friends with them again?
I wish we talk about this like all the time too. I feel like I talk watching like every episode because there is like we do live like close to each other and obviously kids kids down. It's like, oh God, I really loved our friendship. I think everything I found out after him like, I don't know like talking like feeding drama channels. Like I don't know, it kind of sucks. And maybe like, you know, I do think kids change people. So I think like maybe now he's just like, he seems to be out of drama just like is in his little conspiracy world. And I don't know though, but also, you know, people just like changed like, you know what I mean? Yeah. Would you be friends with him again?
I don't know, I guess similar to you. I can't deny that he was such a big part of my come up on YouTube at the beginning. So I will always appreciate what he did for me. When we did become closer friends, I feel like there was just a darkness there that
always made me feel weird after hanging out. Because I don't love being around negative people. And I feel like whenever we would hang out, it would always be like just talking bad about people. And I would always feel like so bad about myself after for even just like entertaining, like allowing him to like talk about people. So
I wouldn't if it was still like that, but there was still so many funny moments that we like had together and he was he was cool and Yeah, he was someone I always looked up to like when I started YouTube like in 2007 like he was the king of YouTube So I was like this like person that I like always looked up to like wants to be my friend like that was so crazy Totally. I think that even with us even though I was like the same age as him like that's how I started
like got into YouTube, like answered his L.A. casting call and it was to be like a stripper in one of his music videos, I remember. It was called the one in return to you gay, which I don't think is up anymore, but it was like a parody of the Katy Perry song. And like, I remember going to his house in North Hollywood and he was like my age. So we were like 20 at the time and he like owned his big house in North Hollywood. And I was like,
And I remember his mom had like a fancy checkbook with like Shane Dawson TV on it. And she was running extra money to people who would say extra. And I remember I got paid like 500, but because I stayed in extra two hours, they gave me a thousand. And I was just like, damn, you have all this money to pay people. Oh my God. Yeah, I mean. A thousand dollars? Yeah, for like a five hour day. And it was just at his house. I didn't know he paid people. I thought it was just like the promo. Well, it wasn't a YouTuber back then. It was like an actor. Oh, okay. So I think he was hiring like, you know, people like background actors or whatever.
And so, and I remember asking like, oh my gosh, like, what do you do? Like, how do you make this much money? This is so crazy. And he's like, it's just for YouTube. And I was like, what? I was doing YouTube, but I didn't know you can make money on it, so. And I remember he emailed me like two days after the shoot and was like, we should like hang out sometime. And I was just like, and then never did. And he got in the relationship with Lisa right after like a week later. And I was like, damn, I could have been Lisa. And I was so jealous.
I was so jealous of Lisa because her channel went boom. She got like a million people. I was so jealous. And I still talk to her. I really like her now. And she has a baby and stuff like that. But I was so jealous. Anyone who would date Shane would get those million views still to this day, really. I mean, I had like a fake relationship with him. Did you? I forgot about that. It was the showy. Well, people thought you were like dating secretly.
He liked it a video where he was like, dared to kiss me. And so then that kind of like started this whole thing where we just like played along with like people shipping us together. Well, you were in a lot of ships. I was. I guess we won't bring up another ship. I just think of one that I was going to talk about. Yeah, I guess we're talking about her.
I didn't know I was like oh maybe because of her shell like you were on it and I was just like so confused I was like
Cuz my biggest flex was I never know Miranda Sings video. You know what I mean? I was like, oh, thank God. We're talking about like how we weren't into it. And I was saying like how I only saw the ones that you were in like on your channel. And when Miranda was on your channel, cuz I didn't watch Miranda Separat. Which is so crazy. Were you like a fan of the character?
Um, we're like, this is so funny. Like, there were some videos that I thought were really funny. Um, but it was just fun to like role play with her and like kind of go into a character and just like make crazy up like on the spot. You love an improv. I do. As we did here today. I just sort of need an improv. That is so cause characters and not just her. Like any character I can't stand. Like, you know, Bobby Altoff?
Do you know her? She had the podcast where she was very, and I was like, I could not interact with someone who's like playing a character like it's so hard. The only one I can is kind of Terry Joe, but even that I'm like, I don't know because it's just.
It's so awkward to me. Like it's like this person's playing like a character, but it's like not really funny. Okay. You know, especially like Miranda. I mean, look, I think about also people need to know is like, you know, it was like a very different time. When you look back at that sense of humor, you're just kind of like, that was crazy that people like that. Even the Netflix show, I mean, she had two seasons of Netflix and re-watching that, re-re-watched it when I had the podcast with her for like three episodes. So I was like, let's re-watch this. Cause I love, you know, I love famous people. So I was like, let's re-watch their, let's re-watch their shows, what made them famous. I get excited about it.
I and I remember liking it when it first came out and then rewatching it. What was that? 2023 is like actually so many inappropriate jokes about like With the uncle and like this create and I'm like yeah Netflix So a lot of people like oh who like this humor and I'm gonna guess it was a thing at the time But this is on Netflix like it was actually pretty wild to see and not to like judge or whatever, but it was just like That's what people liked back that I know there's so many things that you look back and you're like, what are we?
thinking but like just as a society like we all accepted it and we thought it was funny at the time like scary movie for instance like those were some of my favorite movies growing up so that really shaped my humor and like looking back at some of those things like there's definitely very inappropriate like jokes in it but yeah or even the office is kind of like I'm like I can't believe they make those jokes like there's just so much like racism and stuff and I was like that's actually kind of crazy because that was like pretty
recent and everyone loved that show. And there's just like a lot, I don't know. Maybe it's just cause like I'm older now and I'm just like, oh my God, I can't believe that's funny. I do think that some things are funny, but not that.
I think I'm funny but that's it. Wait so like back to Shane when you were saying that like darkness stuff I felt that way too like I always felt that way and I participated obviously like we would watch strawberry 17 and we would be like oh my like we would literally have parties to watch like a rebrand and just like why do you think it was like it stemmed from jealousy to like see someone like
doing what they loved or like? I think just insecurity overall. I don't know. It's hard to say, maybe, because we would watch Trevor and be like, oh my God, look at all her interns. That's so embarrassing. When they, maybe that would have been cool to have, like a little team. So I don't know. I think with Shane and me, I think we both were like so insecure. And like, yeah, just really, what a trauma to. Just, you know what I mean? Like a lot of trauma. And I feel like just not worked through trauma.
I don't know if he I never talked about obviously but like therapy like I know I wasn't for like the longest time like up until I was like 29 so
I think just a lot of just hatred, right? Like just in general for everybody. I hated everybody. Like any YouTubers I saw that had friends, I was jealous of you with Luke, and you Luke and Strawberry doing the tributes thing. I was so jealous because I was like, wait, they're making- Yes, you were making music videos. No, I seriously, truly genuinely love it. We watched Story of My Life, which you hadn't seen. We were watching
You're her Christmas music videos all the time. She's like, have you seen Joy Graceffa at Luke Connor's story of my life? And I was like, yeah, I was straight. I love that video. You're so convincing. You're so convincing as a stream, for sure. But that was the video that made me want to work with Andrew Valentine. That and collar full. Oh my god, I love collar full. Such a good video. So many people think that's my song. I thought it was. And I thought it was. And I thought it was. And I thought it was my life. And he joined my life swear to God that I was your song. Oh, like a year ago. Literally. Literally. Yeah.
You're joking. You thought the one direction song was mine. Yes. And I heard, I thought of my one direction phase what last year. Yes. And so I was like, okay, and then I heard it and I was like, I literally did it. And I was like, wait, this was like my favorite song. We put that on blast, colorful too. I never knew panic at the disco did it. And I remember we'd play it on blast in my car and I like genuinely love it. How crazy is that? Like these artists must have been like so confused when a very professional like high budget. Yes.
A music video comes out for their song. It's actually colorful. That wasn't a video right for panic. They didn't do one, right? No, they didn't do one. So you're like, my other music video. It's so good. Like the rainforest. The rain, the drama. Do you remember how much that was? Because probably back then it was cheaper. It was cheap. I think we did that for like seven grand. Isn't that crazy? So crazy. I know. And I remember when my Andrew, my first video was $5,000. And the last one I did was like $300,000. I was like, how did this happen? How did we go? $300,000?
Yeah, but then I went broke and I was like, let me stop doing music videos for a while. Being Ricky Dillon just gave all our money. We did. That's crazy. It was so addicted to music videos. Now I have a Patreon music tear, shout out Patreon that I didn't pay for my music videos. You know, they're loving them. What was your favorite music video that you did then?
Probably the one that was like 300,000 it was like on the beach and we were like the one where you were screaming Yeah, I love it Like you I was recreating like a my chemical romance music video shot by a shop because I loved it so much and Yeah, they probably thought the music video director of the original one saw he's like well She looks like she put a lot of effort into it So he like appreciated it which was because you never know people could be like I know this is weird didn't Hillary tough like
to say something nasty to you or something. She said something like, oh, this is not it. It was something about my what dreams are made of. Someone posted it like at one of the gaming accounts, and she's something like, oh, not this. She's telling us podcast. She's sassy. I love her all your stuff, because you remember when she had a beef with Faye Dunaway, I think?
Oh, I don't know. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. But I think that's like the actress from like back in the original Bonnie and Clyde, and she had like beef with her. It was like, she's kind of sassy. Yeah, I love that. And back in the day, they went back and forth for a long time. No way. Yeah. Toda scares me, but I love her so much. I'm upset. She asked me to be on her podcast like maybe two years ago, and I like died. I was like, are you sure? Just go? No. What happened? It didn't end up happening.
Oh, did she come out with a podcast? Yeah, she was doing a podcast. Oh, and you didn't get to go on it. But I was freaking out. I was like, yes, sign me up immediately. I'm there. And they just were like, oh, no, it's not happening anymore. Yeah. I would cry. Shane was on her e-show. Oh, no, it was Grace Helbig's e-show. And it was Hilary Duff and Shane as the guest. Do you remember that? No. I was so jealous. And that was his big moment because he loved Lizzie McGuire, too. She kind of is the icon of our generation for sure. I miss when they were companies would just throw money at YouTubers and be like, make something.
Same I know I never was able to get a money deal. I don't know how youtubers every youtubers able to get money in some capacity like here. Just do some Yeah, I wish I was me never could be me Bring that back YouTube I know I'm like do I like pitched them this like episode and be like give me some money and I'll Probably you're so good at that you're do you have like an agent that helps you with it? I'm sort of not really
I don't know how you get meetings like any of that stuff. Like how do you be like Netflix? I need a meeting with you. Yeah, you definitely need an agent for that. Yeah, just call them. Definitely need an agent for that. So you should do that because it is. And I feel like this is the time because of traders and all that stuff is very like someone needs something like that. Or if anyone's watching.
I thought she said like I was gonna be on the podcast
Oh, she was supposed to come on. Yeah, she did say that. Yeah, she was supposed to come on. Yeah, it was a time of like the height, like when she was like blowing up like last summer. But it's so crazy because these like Gen Z girlies like were fans of us growing up. It is crazy. Like I remember Sabrina Carpenter came up to me at like an event when she was like on Boy Meets Girl and she was like her and Joey King came up and they're like,
Hi, we watch our videos. That's crazy. That's crazy. Wow. And Conan Gray loves his hair. Oh, really? Yeah. Wait, what did he say? Well, I like found his channel back when he was like, had like maybe
7,000 subscribers and I like gave him a little shout out and what did you say? You're just like check out this person? Yeah, I think it was for like my 3 million subscribers video I was like I'm gonna give back to the the pores and I just like found like some small upcoming channels and I was like oh my god, you guys check them out. Does he remember that? Yeah, he said something we've like chat about it and whatnot, but that's yeah, it is kind of cool when people like I don't know if I had anyone that big ever like be like love Trish, but that would be so cool
I'm sure there are. A little chapel. Yeah, a little chapel on you with Rachel Ziegler. Me and Rachel, I remember her when she was like 14. I always say that. I loved her back in the day. I did a little tweet from her, like her Hamilton cover back in like 2014. I was like, God, I love this girl. She's so talented.
She has a queen and she has a queen. Yeah, it is pretty cool. It is cool when people are like looking for someone, being around for so long, it's like wild. Cause I still feel young. Do you ever feel like you're still like in the young influencer world? Yeah. Well, I feel like I'm still 28 mentally or like that's what like my age just feels like. It just stopped. When did you break up with Daniel? 28? Wait, is it? Cause they say.
Wait, was I 28? And you're 33 now? Yeah. So five years ago. Whoa. Yeah. That's crazy. They say like you, you're, you stunked at the age. What is it that you, you're, you're stuck at the age that you be. You break up with someone? No more. You can't face this, but that's not what I guess maybe that's the age where you just stopped growing. Oh, okay. I don't know. I don't think your brain stops developing. At 20. Maybe. What do you become famous? We were already famous. So I don't know.
When did you, you started your channel at 16 then? I was 15 and a half. So it's been like more than half my life.
And what would you say is the age you popped off where you were like, okay, I'm pretty famous. People know who I am. I would say 2014 was the year. Is that the British era? Yeah, the British era. I remember that vividly. But I remember, even when you were at your apartment with Brittany, I think that's when I started watching when you had the Totoro wall behind you, the green wall. That was a really long time ago. Yeah, I daily vlogged for five years, which is so insane.
I loved her daily vlogs. I watched when you were with Sawyer at the Palazzo, and you would get chicken from Whole Foods. In the little brown box. I watched all the times. It's like so obsessed. Oh yeah. No, I knew the eras first share. Like I said, we really did watch even the Strawberry 17. I remember Oscar there. Like, I remember it so like well.
I remember everyone so vividly, so it's like I had literally no life, which is probably also why I hated everyone. I would have no life, I had nobody in my life, and so I would just watch videos all day. You are? This is something that I need to learn lessons from. You are a master manifester. Anything that you think of comes true, and it's so crazy. Please teach me your secrets. I think it's because I'm so obsessed with a thought. I see myself doing it. Do you ever have that where you're just like, for me, I'm just like,
as a kid I was like so obsessed with just being famous and like I never like had anything so I was just like I want to do this and you know and I think that's how I am to this day like this is gonna happen for me this gonna happen for me I feel like I'm just like so obsessed with the thought that I have to come true oh my god right I just feel like that's the only way you just get a lot of energy into it it's so true like the fake it till you make it like you believe it so much that it eventually has to come true yeah I feel like it's really that's a really big thing but you are too I feel like you get like everything you dream of well
I could go for it. Wait, really? What's your biggest? If you had tomorrow like a magic genie, what was your biggest wish be or dream? You have three, because it's a genie. Oh, three? Yeah. Okay, the man of my dreams making a movie or TV show based off of my own visions of whatnot, and then to live in the countryside field with a bunch of animals and just peace, world peace.
Wait, what countryside like London or here? Like it could be Italy. It could be like just somewhere. I love England, but it's so. Oh, yeah, it is sad. I was there for three days a week ago and I was like, this is sad. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, I was just sad. What were you there for? Um, I saw the first season. Oh, the first. We better watch season four.
It's not British people on that show so I don't know if I have a chance. I love when I a TikTok pops up and it's like you being in the screen movie or something and it's like these clips from your music videos are something and it makes it look like you're actually in something. Guys have Andrew Ralphie makes his music videos look like they're movie that's $100,000.
period. I think he's too busy now. Well, we did do a music video with Pink Christmas because he kind of retired from music videos, but it's like the only one from you. And I was like, yeah, I love him. We have to have a daughter the same age. So we have play dates all the time with him. Oh, so that's so sweet. Yeah, we're actually like closer now than ever. Oh my god. Yeah, we see him. We're trying to get him to move over here because they are such close in age. And yeah, it's so cute and sweet, but we love him.
I just need to see you in a movie. That's my ultimate goal with you. I just want to be in a movie, you know what I mean? To go to the theater and see yourself. Have you been in one you have? Why do I think you had a cameo? I did have a cameo in the space between us with Lele Pons. Wait, really? Is it a theater? It was. How big of a role did you have? Were you talking? I was just behind him when he was talking. I was a little student at the desk. Oh, OK. But you never heard a lot. Were you in record, Ralph?
Oh, no. Who was that? Pokemon, Colleen. Was David Dobrik in it? I swear. Colleen was definitely in that one. I remember, as Miranda sings. Oh, Angry Birds, maybe David. You never did a voiceover for anything. No. Really? I'm surprised. Was it Fall Guy? Everyone was in that one, too? Pokemon was in that one, yeah. Oh, yeah, with Ryan Reynolds. I just feel like you are that YouTuber that people would go to. Especially back then. Like, with the Hunger Games, Arab. I remember when you interviewed Jennifer Lawrence and stuff. Wait. That was traumatizing. Because I was.
a huge fan of The Hunger Games. And like, literally, with music videos, I have like a band, a band of The Hunger Games. It's my favorite. So here's, I'll start with a positive and then I'll go into the night. Okay. So I did my first junket roundtable interview. Like, I worked for this company called Teen.com, and they would send me to go interview celebrities when a movie would come out. So when Hunger Games launched, I got to go interview like the whole cast. The first movie.
Yes, they came in and it was like the tributes that came in. So it was like Roo, clothes, fox face. They came in and Roo was like, oh my God, I love your music video. And I was like, oh.
I'm so famous. And so that was great. Like they live for me. But then for the final movie, Lionsgate asked me to come in and interview the main three. Jennifer, who are the other ones? Liam. Have you really never remembered these both other games? I forget their names.
That's crazy for being such a fan.
And who's the other one? OK, so they're like, we're going to have you do a game. It's two truths and a lie. And so I'm sure they had so many interviews that day. You go to this like four seasons. They're set up in chairs and they swap out the host to interview.
And so it's my turn. I walk in, I'm so nervous. I'm meeting my idols here. And so I introduce myself and I immediately can tell the vibes are off with Jennifer. She barely's looking at me. And so I do my intro and I don't even know if this ever got posted, but...
I go in and I'm like explaining the rules of two truths and alive. And she's just not into it at all. She's looking down or what's happening? No, she was basically just ignoring me. And so it was just her and either Liam or Josh, I don't remember. One of them was nice and was like engaging with me, but they full on just like, started having a conversation. While you were talking? Yeah.
I feel like a little child like seeing my like favorite like actors in front of me How am I supposed to take control of these people and like engage with me when I'm like such big fans of them So I'm trying to like take control of the conversation and it was just like so like I
I just kept seeking lower and lower my seat, just trying to get them to play this game. That Lionsgate brought me to play with them. That's what you should remind people, especially them. Lionsgate brought me here. I hate when people are like that. I'm paid to be here. You know what I mean? I don't know. What to tell you? I was such a big fan, so I couldn't even think that way because I was just in awe of them. And so I was just so nervous and I didn't know what to do. And they did not make it any easier for me. Did you end up
Playing the game.
Barely that I think we played like one round and like they didn't fully understand how it went because they weren't paying attention And so I left it and I was like I'm not posting that like that I just want to call up a dime you told the teen calm people that This was this was Lionsgate years later. Where were they gonna put it like on social No, it was like a Twitter social thing They wanted me to post it. I think they sent me home of the flash drive and I just never I
Can we please have a footage? Can we air it right now? I don't have it. No, I probably burned it. Oh, no. Maybe it exists online. Because there was one where I did with Selena Gomez, which I know you love her. We live for Selena Gomez. I didn't interview with her too. Was she nice? My very first now.
But she was also kind of gave me a little attitude when I asked her question. That teen gave me the question to ask. That's so weird. But they edited it to make it look like she was so sweet about answering my question. Really? They gave her a good edit. They gave her a good edit. What was the question? Yeah.
It was like, do you feel like you've changed as a person since becoming famous or something? And she was like, really upset that I asked her that. She's like, no, I would never change. I was like, oh my God, okay, girl. It was just like a little innocent question. What? How old were you? I had to have been 19 or 20. And then how old is she? Is she around your age? Is she the same age? She's my age. She'll probably like a year or two years younger. I don't know.
Oh, that's so interesting. That's so weird. She's a little mentally ill too, so you never know. Yeah, that's true. I guess we're like, mentally and well. Well, that's why I don't want to have a podcast. You're like, far from these people. Truly. I've had great ones. Taylor Swift, the sweetest. I love her. Where did you interview her? She was in the movie The Lorax. Oh, yeah. I interviewed him too. Was he great? Yeah, he was. That's great.
But Taylor was like beyond sweet. So sweet. I was so nervous. And we were like sat across from each other. They were resetting the cameras. She had to have a space heater on her because she couldn't be too cold. Love that. I was so nervous. It took them like a couple of minutes. And she started asking me questions about me. And just like, I was like, oh my god, wait, she like is genuinely connecting with me. Having a conversation, yeah. Like wants to know about me. Like she wasn't like faking it. I love to hear that about Taylor. That's like, so that was your best interview, you think?
I think so. I mean, it's very hard to do that at any age, but especially that age with like no training. I know, because in 1920, they just threw me in. Like, Rachel McAdams was also so sweet. Love her. What would you interview her for? The Vow, with, uh, Chainen Tatum. Chainen Tatum. So are you hired by different companies, like team.com, Lion's Gate? It was all, no, it was just team.com at that time. Are they still around? No. Oh, it happened. They just went, yeah. They're no longer to me. I don't know. I don't know.
Would you do that? Never because I like I get so nervous you're a fan boy like I'm a fan girl so many things like I would I'm still dreaming of the day I could interview people like celebrities I would be like my big that's you're so good I get so nervous and like I can't even like think
I think a really big A-lister, I'd be nervous. For a short, even a B-lister, I'd probably be nervous. I actually don't know if I could do it, which is probably why I haven't happened yet. But those celebrities are huge. I would cry if Jennifer Lawrence just started talking. I would be like, I actually don't know what I would do. You would be able to pull it out. I don't think so. Maybe I would snap because I'm the opposite.
I would handle it I'd be like, I don't know. I don't know either. I would cry or I would snap one of the two or to leave. I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna exit. That's brutal. Especially Hunger Games because you're such a fan, so.
But then stop you from auditioning for Hunger Games, too. I do not audition. This is a fault. This is so funny. People genuinely think that I auditioned for Finnek. But you did kind of. You were putting it out to the world. You made an audition tape. I was definitely pushing for that role. Yes.
and hope some, and I love it. I'm still like that too. Put it out there, maybe they'll see it, you know? There used to be like the fan casting where there used to be like voting on websites of like, who do you want to play Fennec? And I was daily vlogging, so I was like, you guys should go vote for me. And it didn't work? Yes! You were like number one. I was number one, yeah. And you never heard anything about it from like Lionsgate or anything? Mm-mm. Oh.
but then also my friend Stacey was a producer there and she was like we're going to do a audition tape for Finneck and so you did but it was a joke but it wasn't because she was trolling me behind the camera she was like can you eat these sugar cubes while saying your line so it was like so dumb and stupid what were the sugar cubes the representative of like what was it supposed to be so he
There's like a scene where he's giving a horse a sugar cube and like the books. And so I think so. He like pops one in the middle of it. And you did it. I want to see that footage. She was like, more, you need more sugar in your mouth. So I had like five sugar cubes in my mouth doing the audition. You would have been a really good finish because like, no shade to the person who played him, but like not memorable. And yours was memorable in my head. Thank you. But Sam Popplin is so fine. If he may miss.
But he got new teeth, and I don't love them. The veneers kind of do ruin it, and it's not just because I'm jealous. It's like truly I don't know if I love a veneer. I get so upset when people with nice teeth get veneers. I'm like, why? For what reason? I know, just because everyone has them. It's like me too. I have little teeth, and next to someone who has veneers, you're just like, yeah. Tana's got beautiful veneers. So every time I'm next where I feel like I have these little chickpeas. Except for one pops out.
I'm like, yeah, that is yours. Yours are nice. Yours are nice and big. Thank you. So he got a post-finnock his veneers. Yeah. And he looks so different now. Yeah. He's lost a lot of weight too. He's very skinny. What's he doing? What's he in?
He was in Daisy Jones in the six. Oh, really? Yeah. Who's he? And the main one? Yeah, the main guy, I think. Oh, that's so interesting to watch it, OK? Maybe the next one are games and maybe you could audition for it. I would love. I would love. There's a young, who was it young? Who's the young one who came in? They're doing Hamich's game. So I would just be happy to be one of the tribute. I would joke. Is there any old people in the hunger? I guess at the Capitol, would I be in the Hunger Games? Yes. Who was the lady with the gray hair that was my mom was?
What was her name? She was Meg's. Meg's. Yeah, which would have been. She was actually excited you were going to be Finnik, because you were in New York, but I was like, Joey's going to be Finnik. And then she looked up there, like, you know, lore in the story. And I was like, oh, she gets carried by him.
She kept asking me why I was never in any of the tributes videos and our reasoning was I was too plus size at the time. But I don't even think you weren't around. I don't think so because I think it was maybe a year I became an intern for Strawberry 17 maybe a year after. No, I think you were definitely around the same time because I remember watching you and watching that at the same time you had to have been around. I don't think so. Really? No, because I remember.
No, because you weren't in the tree house. Yeah, but yeah, it was like a year, maybe a short time, but like a year or something. But there was a couple of tributes music videos you could have been in. And you had a few, right? It wasn't just the arena, didn't you have another one? The arena was the only one with extras. We had one that was like, well, I could have been in tribute. Yeah. Is there no fan tribute? Nothing. You know, me too. Is there no?
they're like now they should hunger games they were starving the only people that would be a larger would be if they were a capital people but they got to eat that special pill at me I love that and not love that but I was like
I thought that was interesting, there was no fat people in the cap, and they could eat all this food, and no one's fat either. Yeah, because they would throw it out. That's crazy. Do you remember us hiding from you when we were interns, by the way, like in the house? We also talked about hiding. Oh, I saw that. There was like a title that said, Hiding enjoyed yourself as house. Was that you or you? Because I hid in your house once. You hid in my house? Yeah. Wait, why? Why? Why? Why are you hiding? We were like scaring someone.
No, I think you are part of it and we like hit we scared Shane or Daniel or Drew maybe maybe
And you were just like, and did you just end up scaring? Did you do a successful scare? I wonder who it was. I think it's in a vlog somewhere, but you like led them into your bedroom and like we all hid in your bedroom and like jumped out. Wait, really? Oh my God, that's my biggest fear in the world that someone like hiding in my room and like staring me. Yeah. You said you had someone that like, oh, in that house. Yeah, no, I had that house, had so many intruders. Like I had a lot of intruders.
Yeah, yeah, this house and it's like that's why like left early. I was just like say prepaid at six months. I'm leaving early This is the only time I've ever called 9-1 was at this house and like each time you call I want it takes like literally an hour for people to get here cuz we're up in the hills on Mahal and Drive Never ever live in the hills cuz cops will take so long about that story about how someone was literally standing over you. I think
I've talked about it in the past I think at the time I was like really scared so I didn't and I don't I never want to give people ideas But I was I lived alone and there was multiple entrances the house There was like a side stairs all the way down so it was like six stories But it was like stairs all the way down and then there was these little old crickety doors you could just like
pop open easy and it happened I would say three times like too frequently and then I remember I called the cops and the cops right my door and I didn't want to open the door because I thought it was like fake cops and they're like you called us and I was like but I don't know if these are real cops I don't know if these are real cops I don't know if these are real cops I don't know if these are real cops I don't know if these are real cops I don't know if these are real cops I don't know if these are real cops I don't know if these are real cops I don't know if these are real cops I don't know if these are real cops I don't know if these are real cops I don't know if these are real cops I don't know if these are real cops I don't know if these are real cops I don't know if these are real cops I don't know if these are real cops I don't know if these are real cops I don't know if these are real cops I don't know if
Living alone anymore. I would like give dogs, which is like smart because they like fucking stuff. You'll know, but living alone was the scariest. I think at that time, too, it was just like a weird time. I don't know. The houses in the hills, you know, are just notoriously known for. I had no gate. I had nothing, you know what I mean?
It was scary. And maybe that's why I don't like people jumping out. That's like, I guess you know, we must have been the person scaring somebody. That's, I think that's the first time I met you was at that house. Yes, it was. Yeah. I was so nervous too. I think you had a Letterman's jacket on when he came over. Oh, probably. And I thought that was so cool. Oh my God. That's a job. I was so nervous, like just hanging out. It was fun though. I love being in that group because I loved being like, I was such a piggy. I was like, the only girl. So I was like, this is so fun. We had so much fun. It was fun. Until it got dark.
Yeah, I feel like with you when we would all hang out like all five of us like Drew and Shane and you and Daniel I feel like it wasn't too bad. No, maybe I was like when he hung out individually with people Yeah, I think when it was like me and him is when we would talk the most person But you know you always this is what I like come to terms with after our friendship is like when I found out who's talking about me I'm like, well, that makes sense if you're talking You too sure I don't like that anymore either because I just think it's I don't know
Bad karma. Yeah, even here, even when we're being cutesy, shady, I'm always like with you. I was like, let me just tell Joey I don't mean any of it, you know? Of course. Just like a stupid night, you know? No, I know. I care, but not that much. No, I know. I hold on to a little bit. But it really is like a jealousy thing I was so, because that's so what my alley to do, like a cosplay. I know. It's gonna happen. But it'll be bigger and better when you're actually on it. What do you think would be the, because you did 80s for this?
For, yeah, for the movie, extra episode. So what do you think would be like your big one? I would love to do like a liminal space in the 90s where it's like back rooms and like kind of like chucky cheese vibes. I think would be fun. Yeah. I would love to do 1950s in a neighborhood. In a neighborhood. Yeah. Like like a house? Yeah, you know, like Desperate Housewives like that neighborhood thing. Do it universal. That's so fun. Oh my God.
It's so cute. But 1950s, you could be like a housewife. Yes, I would love. Oh my God, that'd be so much fun. You should do the alien one because it's so relevant now. Like there's aliens amongst us. Aliens. Yeah, you never heard about this coming up in the water because all we talk about are not topics. Wait, the aliens. Yeah, the aliens are here. So I feel like if you did escape the night doing an alien invasion is very relevant and realistic. I love that. Absolutely. You believe in the aliens? I do. Have you ever felt the presence of one?
No, you wish. I wish I'm ready to be probed. You want to be probed? Yes. Like, is that what it probed me? Aliens would be crazy at probing. Is that what they do, right? I guess that's what they're known for. I had a crazy dream once that I fell in love with an alien and he destroyed the world. But because I fell in love with him, he took me with him. How romantic is that?
We a dreamer that you just think about this sometimes it was a dream it was so really sad you woke up. Yeah, it's very earth girls are easy. Have you seen that movie Jeff Goldblum and Jim Carrier aliens and I think Damon Wayans and the same thing. Do you know Davis falls in love with Jeff Goldblum as an alien and he takes her back to space with him. I think they do destroy the world here. It's like in LA and they destroy LA.
It's like back in the 80s, you should watch it because it's the 8th and it was in the 80s. So you were based off morning from like flying when there are other like movie characters. I think it was just like the classic like 80s like.
There's no like 80s pop star like Tiffany. There was, yeah. Who was that? Who played that role? That's Tana today. I'm getting so tall. No. I think I knew, I know how I think I knew. I think one of my makeup artists was asked to do the makeup and then he never heard back. I think Louie was asked. Oh, okay. And he was like, I was supposed to do it and then never heard back. And I was like, oh, okay. But I think he knew like some of the names on it. Maybe that's how I heard, I don't know. I just know a lot of lore about this movie, escape the night. I love that. And once it coming out. I think in the spring. Okay, so it's new. Yeah, it's being edited right now.
final episode on your channel. Yeah. Well, I don't know yet. We'll see. Shopping it around, like, keeps a nice stat with the documentary. Yes. Exactly. Just like that. Couldn't you ask David Dobrik to do Escape the Night? A immediate rejection. From David? Yeah. Like the second we sent the offer, no. Did he respond himself? I think it was his agent, but I got hurt. And I was like, really? I'm never acknowledging your presence ever. That's a wild one, David. What year is that, you think?
That was probably for season three. So like 2018 maybe or 17. That's interesting. Have you ever had any other rejections that you were like, damn. Yeah, there was like so many. Like what's the one that hurt or not hurt, but they were sad about maybe.
I mean, I always wanted Jenna Marbles, but she cuts like not her vibe. Yeah. Who else? Do you try Emma Chamberlain or no? I remember we talk. Oh, yeah, that was one because I remember I kept pitching like names or collabs or whatever. And you kept being like, they turned out to get the night. Like because I was dating it was Emma. Who else around that time? Maybe the Dolan Twin or something? I don't know. I don't remember. Oh, so there was quite a few people said no. Yeah. Even this time, like asking people to be in the movie.
It's probably so different because it's not like YouTube red-backed, right? Don't you think maybe if there's not the budget behind it? Yeah, no, for sure. I mean, this was like just like getting my friends to be a part of it. Like the pay was nothing great. It was like... But in the original, the pay was better. It was fine. I don't think it was anything great. Can you say it and I'll bleep it out? I just really wanna know. I promise I'll bleep it out. I honestly don't remember. I wanna say it was like maybe... I could be making this up. I think maybe... For how many days of filming?
up to five days. Yeah, I mean, that's not bad. And then there was like a bonus if they like posted about it. Oh, really? Oh, so they didn't have to. There was no social post required. Okay, it's not bad. I was wondering, because when they were talking about pay and everything, I don't know, I'm just not paid to be here. No, it really wasn't much. It was more just like to be in there. Yeah. Yeah. Which is what it was back in the day. People clapping. Yeah. Yeah. Do you regret the drama that Daniel started with Safiya Nygaard after one of the seasons though? Because I,
That was the one time I was like sister a little too much, not too much on Sofia, because I love Sofia. Oh, he came for Sofia. Yeah. So I feel so bad because she was one that like it took her a long time to warm up and like feel comfortable. And I think she didn't really have any YouTuber friends at that time. And so she, by the time she got killed, she did not see it coming. And it was like she went into like a state of shock. Like she
they came in and killed her and I went to go give her a hug and her arms were just like by her side and she just like went limp and I just like remember being like oh my god she's like she's somewhere else right now and so I think she got really hurt by the experience of being killed off without like mentally preparing and she like was just opening up to people yeah but then the next day she came to set and she was like
in better spirits, but I think she, like, shocked her. But she didn't promote the show at all afterwards, really. So it probably was, like, a traumatic experience. I think she was a little hurt by it. Did you have, like, any, like, therapist on standby? No. Because I feel like Big Brother had that. Like, they had the therapist, like, right when you got out to be, like, here, talk to this person, because it is, like, a shocking thing. I mean, even if it's, like, a little something like that, it's probably just, like, especially if you're not used to it, just, like, police. And you're just, like, gone. And did you guys, like, traitors? They just murder someone, and then, like, you don't see it. They just get, like, a little note. Were you,
like recreating, like re-enacting the like kill? Um, it would be like a moment where we'd like pause and be like, okay, so you die if we're gonna like now repel the cameras to like have you be stabbed or something. Oh, so no one just came out of the blue and just started.
With her, it kind of was a little bit of a shock. I would not really drop it. What the twist was, Manny and Nikita went into a challenge. We thought it was between the two of them that one was going to come back, but there was a twist. Whoever chose Nikita to go into the challenge was in Nikita 1,
got killed. So the bad guy came into our lounge where we were allegedly safe and came and I mean the director came in and was like, right? He's coming to kill you. My poor sister, my poor Sophia. Yeah. I didn't notice. I thought like literally someone just came in and started killing it. No, she didn't. But she didn't.
I don't know. I was kind of like thrown on her like it's happening now. Damn, that sounds like a traumatic show actually. No, but PTSD. Yeah, I think Daniel was just being protective of the show and just wanted. Yeah. What did he say? I think he just said like she didn't promote it and yeah.
He was very, that's what's happening over here. I think he takes things more personally than you do. No, he definitely does. Which is awesome. I mean, I relate. I take things personally, but I'm not one to vocalize it publicly. Yeah. And he would just instantly be up to defense. Yeah, which is, I get it. That's like what the Christmas party, he's like, some people brought gifts over $50. And I was like, that makes your party better. Did you, you brought the iPad? I brought the iPad and Blenciaga sweatshirt.
I call it. I was like, what was it like someone had like brought sushi or something? I was like, I don't want that sushi. Yeah. Or was it something else's Christmas party? Am I mixing it up? No, there was a crazy guest there. I thought I like made the party. No, that was so fun. The Christmas party with iPad? Yes. I loved it. And I got this invited this about a year. But Daniel said I broke the rules that I can't be invited. He's like, some people don't know how to play this game. I was like, Oh my God. Okay. Isn't that serious?
I'm so sad. How about the Christmas party? How about you not being invited back?
2019 I definitely was out of my mind, so I definitely probably didn't care what I was like, definitely on some math. Yeah, I'm sure it was the time, but I definitely remember there was drama videos around it though. No, and then also something with you and Laura Lee to, yeah. Oh yeah, because Laura put it in her in her giveaway and then you. Oh yeah, it's all coming back to me. It's all coming back. I forget to sometimes like the Laura, but you're right. That's what it was. That was so angry. I was in my angry area. I was so mad.
It's like, oh my god, it probably wasn't that big of a deal. I have apologized through this podcast to them. Being a little dramatic, you know? Yeah. Now it's kind of bad. But that was just you. Yeah. That was just, that's what I thought for a long time. That was just fresh. I always thought that I was like, you know what, this is just me. People have to deal with this, but not the case. Probably she gets some help if you are angry and causing ruckus in people's lives. It really is crazy. I know. Like, think you bought that. Oh, we didn't talk about your, um, witch-ness. Oh, oh my god.
Actually, it's so funny because you were my first introduction to crystals. We did a collab, right? We did a collab. And it was actually so sweet. You bought me like a really fancy crystal at the end. You like gifted it to me. And I remember thinking like that was the sweetest thing. We went to the store and is it silver like your eagle rock? Yeah, I think the eagle rock.
There was one like in like East LA we went to and it was like really small Yeah, do you remember that one? I don't remember Spellbound Sky Yes, that sounds very familiar and we went and I was I wasn't really like into crystals that much back then but I love crystals I love healing and I love Wiccan like there was definitely lots of errors even as a kid I was definitely thought I was witch I had a witch era again in 2021 like I love just
Natural elements and making spells. Like I do spells all the time. Like I love it. I work a lot with like smoke and I work a lot with water and I have like water spell books. Like I have I love like natural element spells. Okay, so when you came down you sat here and you said something like you cast a spell on yourself to be on time.
Oh, my God. OK, so I went to this wellness retreat thing in the Napa Valley. It's called the Hoffman process. And basically, it detaches you from the patterns that you subconsciously learn from your parents.
And there was something in there that they tell you not to talk about the process because there's a lot that happens that you kind of need to experience without knowing. But there's something in there that honestly felt like magic. There's something where you
you think about something you want to change in your life and you do this thing with your hands where you like make them like almost like friction and warm and something and you start like radiating energy there and then you imagine something in between your hands and some like image will just pop in and for some reason like the class like used me as an example and so they're like what do you see and I was like
a gumball or something and so they're like okay smack your hands together and like get rid of that gumball while you're thinking of something that you want to change.
And so I was like, I'll just get rid of being late. And honestly, since then, like, I'm always on time. You were like, you were like 10 minutes early today. I was like, yeah, I was like, dang, that was crazy. Because people, sometimes you were around time, but a lot of times you were like a half hour late, especially coming this far. But aside from that, like, I love witchy things. I actually just got into, like,
This is probably gonna sound so weird, but Hekate, she's like the goddess of witchcraft. She's someone that I like go to for help now, and she's been like, she's had my back. Hekate, so she's like a guy, like a spirit or something. She's her person. She's like mother witchcraft, basically. But like, okay, is it like a god, like you're praying? Are you like talking, how are you communicating? Basically, yeah, as if she's like my goddess. And so whenever I need help, or like I,
She's like a deity or something. I don't know. She's like the person that I go to. I never heard of her because I did such a study on like painters. I could just like study this so much. I never heard of this. So I need to learn more about her. I was getting to talk this like hecate is recruiting. She needs new members. And I was like, I'm there. What does she need? And literally before escape the night because there was like a lot of
Stuff behind the scenes that was just going wrong. And I was like, Hekate, if you were real, please let this weekend go well. And somehow everything came together. And since then, I was like, all right, girl, you're with me. You love Hekate. I love her. Oh my gosh. And so do you say like, do you spell work? Do you do potions? What do you do?
Right now, I'm just starting out, but there are certain things that she likes. So I need to create an altar for her, but I have dedicated any time I see a repeating number, like 11, 11, 12, 12, I will acknowledge her presence and I will thank her for anything that's going on. So I've dedicated any time that I do see that to her. Does she help me with the dogs?
Um, what do you mean? Like protecting them? Probably. If I ask her, she will. I feel like if Hekate was around during the one that got breached, you know, maybe she could have like helped. Not that you've done anything, but maybe she could have, you know? For sure. That's very cool. I do look into this because I live a little altar for Buddha. We give him apples in the morning and coffee.
Yeah, it works. So like, you know, just making people happy, just making the spirits, the guides happening. Yeah. I'm all about that. I didn't know that I need to look at that. I love Wiccan because it is like the most like, it's like the original, I just did the word religion, but it's like the original, like, prayer. Yeah. Well, then you would love her. She's like the mother of Wiccan. Is there like a visual that goes with her?
Is it, you know how people draw like Aphrodite and stuff? Like is there a- I'm not sure. I don't know what she looks like. Yeah, look around, Oscar. Yeah. See what she is. I figured it would look like the girl from the ring with all the hair in front of her. No. Oh, why? I think it kind of fears.
That's scary. I've never seen it. By the time we see the little girl crawling out of the TV, I was like, that sounds like a heck of a test. One time my therapist told me, because this is when Daniel and I first broke up, I was scared to live alone. And I was scared of demons. And my therapist was like, oh, why don't you just make friends with the demons? And I was like, OK. Wow. And are you friends with them? Oh, she's stunning. Oh, that's very mean with the dogs. Oh my god, that's actually so weird. She has two dogs. What's the lore behind that? That's so weird.
Those are your Huskies. Do you still have both of them? Yeah. I have Moon and Wolf, and then I have a golden. Oh, yeah, the gold. That was my big question. Why did I not get a golden retriever? Yeah. Do you remember? I kept dropping hands. I was like,
I wish I can already. I have two at the time. It was Mazi's litter. If only I could have one of these dogs. Oh, I love this one. Which one did you like? Me?
I wish I could have one of these. Oh, I love her. There was one girl that was kind of bigger. She was a chunkier kind of girl. What was her name? I think she had the pink collar. I think that's the one I got. Is that the one you have now? Yeah.
Well, there was quite a few. I was kind of pointing them out left and right. They all look like I was saying. I didn't think you were trying to find a home. I think it wasn't for me. There was Daniel's dogs. Yeah. So I think Daniel might have been the root. So you had to go to Daniel to ask for it. No, not me. I had a dropping hand, so I was like, mmm, I wish I could have one.
And there's, if way more could do it, let her up, Golden. We did, yeah. It was the last rescue I did with him. We rescued a pregnant golden retriever, and they had like 50 there, and my dog had a house now. Oh, so sad. Because Golden's are like the most loving dogs, and we go there, and they would not come near us. They were so scared. She's so little.
Messed up, but she's very sweet Winnie Winnie, but they came from like Pennsylvania So she's not good in cars because of that drive and she's really anxious because they were like abused You have a golden then from that from our last rescue not Daniels litter This we rescued like separate. Yeah, it was when we started the podcast. So I guess yeah dogs now do you have total?
three golden red shiggers. You're golden, we're trying to pull over there. That's not crazy, only golden. Once you go golden, you never go back. You have the skis. Well, now that I've got the golden, I will never change. Really?
The guy was Daniel's dog, Montana, is related to my dog. I'm the reason he has my dog. Yes, because he was like, where did you get your dog? I was like, oh, from this girl. So I really love Montana. You were? You definitely were. And my other question for you is, did you know I was eating your dog treats? Because you had those blueberry dog treats. And you have nothing in your pantry. If you weren't hungry, you're not going to joke yourself. That's for sure. Yeah.
I was eating those blueberry dog biscuits from the dog cookie jar and I remember eating them. I think you must have been upstairs or something because I was alone in the kitchen and then I think moon. I remember moon was just like sitting in front of me thinking they were like, no, I'm hungry.
That's all I have in the stars. Did you notice? I don't think so. Maybe you told me afterwards. I think I kept it a secret because I was like, I don't know if I was supposed to be doing this. I saw somewhere in the podcast you mentioned that you had a crush on someone who was an actor and escaped the night. Oh yes, Dennis. He was my high school crush. What character was he? He was in the opening. I forget what he did. It was in the season three, the first episode. It was like before the circus, like, before it went dark, like whenever one thought it was a good time, you know?
And like everyone was having fun in clown or was he just like an extra? I think he died. He might have been like the first death or something. He had kind of a big scene though. But he wasn't influencer? No, he was just an actor. Yeah. You don't remember Dennis? Wow.
It was like a quick. I don't remember everyone from my music videos. I do. I had a dance audition yesterday and one of our extras from Sad Boy was there and I was like, what is the Sad Boy on your resume? Because he was in a music video. He didn't even have it down last week. He was also in JoJo's Karma video. I'm not like, that's on it, but not exactly, but I recognize everybody.
Sometimes, like, your Mulholland song will pop in my head. I'm like, I think what I'm ever on Mulholland Drive. I'm like, I'm on the wrong side of Mulholland Drive. You did give me. I remember when I did the tribute to, like, Panic and my chemical romance. And I did reach out and you're like, oh, this is, like, so cool. So good. No one liked that era, but I loved that era. Oh, I loved it. I was so glad. She's like, oh my god. Like, I'm nervous that Joey's coming. Like, do you think he even likes me? And I was like, literally?
Through everything, I remember you were always talking so sweet about her. He was always watching your videos through every like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're always like look how could we do a trip? We did a lot of videos together because we did the green one which I was so skinny We did so many clubs. I was looking up and I was like damn we clapped a lot We did well the like weird ones were like back in the day like the ones where we're doing like the
There was a 7-Eleven slushie. I watched that one last night and you're like, why are we doing that? You're like, only at Joey Graceffa's house would there be like a child's toy that we're like playing with? I remember thinking it was weird back then. Did we do something too with like, I don't know, like... We made soap. Exactly.
I was probably just happy to clap with anybody. I was like, yeah. But I liked our ones later on. Like the fast food you came in ate like me for a day. That was because of Oscar took over. It was like producing for me. That was so good though. Oscar were like that. You hit back then? Do you hit in the back seat? I was like, why did you hide? You're just like down. I was like, are you not supposed to be here? Like it was so... I don't know. I feel like we never talked about it. But for some reason, I was just trying to like not be in the scene.
But i don't know it's not like joey gave the the direction hey like when you're filming hide behind the sea and act like you're not in it just she just did that on your own and she was always behind the camera yeah it was always a voice like it was always Oscar like being like my rebuttal and like there was a one you guys were vlogging together but you never acknowledged it like.
He's in the passenger seat, and you're the driver's seat, and you're just talking and never acknowledging. He was like smiling back there. And I was like, when he was so clearly in the frame, we just, we weren't even watching so many of your videos. And he was like, so. It was the last rescue, when we were on the way to WAG. I feel like I'd always be like, all right, I'm here, we're rescuing here with Oscar. No, I don't think so. That was no reference. It was just like you two in frame, and there was like no references. That was so awkward.
It's just funny. I didn't even knew I'd be playing like we were. Because we've done like five at that point. I was like, it's just another one. Darian was in one of your vlogs. Like there was like a whole like Laura. I was like, we weren't at quite a lot actually. Yeah. Which is so funny to like see a full circle. That's why I was like, I just never know. You know, I still never know if people like me. I'm like, I don't know. I mean, I wasn't sure if you still liked me.
I always say this about our lives and always like our lives are so boring or Moses would boring but I mean that in the best but what do I mean when I say boring I mean it a nice way call no that's boring to me I'm like
I love that, you know what I mean? Because it's just a calm life. And I feel like when there are scandals that like arise, you know, it's just like better to be boring, you know, rather than scandalous. Yeah, it's never fun to be involved. How do you do it? Especially when you're like associated with like, do you get anxiety to get dressed?
So much. I was doing this weird thing. I was like, this is gonna sound so, no, I'm not gonna say it. We say it, you have. I was doing like witchy stuff to protect myself. Oh, that's not that. And like, you know, a circle of salt? Yes, the black salt around you, yeah. So when you pee, there's salt in your urine. So I would literally, when I let the dogs out in my backyard, I'd literally piss in a circle and be like, I am protected. Yes, I was not bad. So I'd eat in a circle for sure.
I did that all the time and it helped. I feel like around this house has helped so much for sure. I had the whole house. I was like, I need a circle of protection and it works. Just imagine. You don't want your house. Yes, there's no evil energy after the evil energies have left. I'm not the only one. No, I definitely have done that. I definitely have staged a lot down here after the last podcast. I have to like say just because it's just bad energy. And you're just like, Jesus, like, what do I do? I get this out of my house. So I think staging helps the salt. I do a lot of the
I was doing a lot of rituals where like any negativity that was directed towards me, I reflected tenfold. That works too. I'm sure anyone who did that got something ten times worse.
But it does work because there's so many times where people like later on down the road like people that I've had like falling out with You know people will start seeing the light and they'll be like oh my god Trisha was right or Trisha was this or something like that And I really do think it's that I'm like I always just I'm the same way I'm just like please protect me. Please let me be a shield Please let me know you know I was the negative energy for a long time So I think I had to like exile myself first and then protect it But now when there's like negative energy, I'm very much like get this away Yeah, I think we've done pretty good protecting it around here. We have a lot of crystals too. Mmm
I do them wrong. I think I watched them wrong. I think you're supposed to do it on like a full moon, but you're supposed to do it on like a new moon or something. I'm very bad with the moon work. Oh, I don't know the difference. There's one you're supposed to manifest and then there's one you're not supposed to manifest. Like you're supposed to like get rid of something and I don't know which one is which. I know. I'm not sure either. I see it on Instagram. It's like tonight is this moon. Like be sure to write down everything you want to get rid of and rip it up and throw it down the toilet and like all this up.
I do it on wrong occasions sometimes because I manifest from just a clear eye. Yeah, I'm like a full moon. That seems like the perfect time to manifest. I don't think so, yeah. It's like new moons or something. Yeah, I am. Like Twilight. Yes. Twilight, new moon. Wait, what's your current hyper fixation? Oh god, I kind of not even one at the moment. I know. We need to get you into something. It's my favorite. It's my favorite. It was like the idol and then it was Brigitte. I don't think they have one, do I? I don't really know because then you had Wicked for a long time. I love Wicked. Did you see it? Yeah.
I love, I love Jonathan Bailey, but he got too famous for me, so I was like, let me get over him, but he was in British in season two and I was really upset. Get over, isn't he gang? Well, I mean, I'm not gonna date him. I just was obsessed. Although I do think in my head sometimes I'm like, I could date him. Yeah, you should date him. Yeah, I mean, he is very attractive. Oh, he's not tall and dark and handsome. No, but I would make an exception.
Really? I think he's like five eight or something. Oh, he is. He is a short king, but I love it, which is surprising. Farrow in the Broadway call, you have to be over six foot to play Farrow. So did you see what did? Yeah, you just asked me. Did you like it? I did. You're not a musical person. I enjoyed musicals. We don't love it. Like I feel like, yeah, you're like, it's just okay. I saw it once and I'll watch it again, but not your thing. What's your hyper fixation?
Right now. I've been playing Marvel rivals. Have you played it? It's playing with Kelly. That's the game I played with Kelly. Are you a gamer? Yeah. What do you mean? Who loves the block one? What's the one the block? I should be. Did you ever try to get in it? Because you were like the original Minecraft page. I remember that about you. You had those swords in the block heads like all the crazy. Minecraft has never worked with me. They work with like all these other people. How do you feel about that?
Annoyed. I was the original like Minecraft boy shirtless. That's so true in your hair. I was like sticking out. We did it. Yes, that is and so you never try to reach out or get like agents at any time reaching out. I should. But that's what I thought when you got a McDonald's you got like a fast food sponsorship. No, I got poach hella tickets. What?
I went to Coachella with McDonald's. They just got paid by them. They just got me ticket. How does that happen? So you just reach out to a brand and go to Coachella with you guys? I think I just told my manager. I was like, I want to go to Coachella. And they're like, McDonald's is doing, they're giving away a pass. And it was general admissions. No, really? And he went for that. Did you have to promote it?
Yeah. That's probably where you saw the picture. And you're like, I love french fries. What was the picture? It was probably me eating french fries. And do you eat McDonald's french fries? I love the french fries. What? Yes. That is so not you. I've never known you to ever eat fast food. No, 100% I mean, I'm gluten free, but I love the chicken nuggets. The chicken selects was my favorite. I was gluten free. They need to bring those back. No. So what happens when you eat gluten?
It's just like blow up, like my stomach. No, like my stomach just gets like so inflamed. Yeah, blow dead. That's why. I don't blow. Divers always like this. But that makes sense. I do eat a lot of chicken nuggets. I love McDonald's though. Wait, I never knew this about you. I've never seen any fast, because you always ate healthy. You did the whole video eating fast. Because it was like a shock for him. I was like, wow, I'm eating fast food. But did you secretly like it? Secretly.
Loved it publicly really yeah, but you have your health thing though Yeah, cuz I remember we wanted to do it like early on when I started working with you But then you're like you had something with your stomach where you couldn't even like yeah, I couldn't even like touch gluten Yeah, and it would just make you like sick. Yeah, that's why you had to eat all the all the greens
That was crazy. You did kind of make them somewhat good. You did something like a blender or you sauteed or something. Yeah. It was like a steamer. Oh, yeah. That actually was good. You steam some asparagus or something. Oh, yeah. That was kind of tasty. I can still get down some asparagus if we go to like master's. So do you help me as like, all right. Have some of that. But they buy but like butter. But it's so just greens are not my thing. Yeah. You know, what's the point? I feel bad. Do you think you live longer? Probably not.
What? Do you think you live longer if you eat more green? Yes. I don't know. My grandparents lived pretty long and they only ate bacon. How old were they? Maybe not that old time. They were only like in their 60s. Well, you know what? Why not to be 80?
I just feel like people live longer back in the day, right? Don't we die, really? No, I feel like when we get older, we're gonna be in like 121.50. 121.50, what's that mean? I think that's how old our generation will get to. No, what?
No, maybe they're like next generation like Malibu. Maybe they'll be. I don't think we're gonna be 150. That's crazy. Maybe like you. You eat really healthy. Not really anymore. Really? What? I had a burger in french fries last night. Whoa, that's breaking. No, a grilled beef burger from Valley Burger Bar. With the bun.
a gluten free button. Okay. Damn. Who is this? This is actually so crazy. It is crazy to see you because I feel like the last time I saw you was probably my other podcast with the flop one that was in my living room, which is like, I forgot we did that. Yeah. That was so nice. You did come on that one. But what do you mean? Nice.
Because you know what, that one was kind of, this is also kind of, this is also just in my basement. It feels a little more professional, but it's not really, but it was nice, because like it was hard to find guests back then. I was like, I don't know, who wants to just come to someone's house and like sit on the microphone? I would like to, but you know what I mean? It wasn't perfect. I think I was doing the own sound myself. I think I was like starting and stopping it after like 60 minutes. And it was great, but I still still like, yeah. Oh my God. Yeah, you just have like one camera guy in. Yeah.
Even that was an upgrade for me to have a camera guy. Like, I probably should have just done it myself and like moved it around, but I kind of know how to do all that. What's next for you, Jo-ing Rassafa? What's your milling? Michael. Jo- Wow. Joseph Michael. Sounds like a character from Dawson's Creek. Really? Yeah. I never watched it, but I feel like- It's a very biblical name, I feel. Joseph Michael. Yeah. Was your parents' people home? Relatives? Not really. I'm like, why don't you even do that? And like, couldn't get original, have the same name as my dad. I'm like- Joseph Michael is his name, Jo.
No, he has a different mental name, but he's also Joseph. I'm a junior too. I love juniors. I always, I wish we had a boy named Moses. He's like, no, like that's crazy. Like that's, that's cool to have a name about your dad. I guess. Yeah. Talk to your dad. Yeah. Okay, your dad and you were cool. Yeah. Your mom, how's she doing?
Um, not great. Uh, she lives in Florida. She's still back and forth with recovery of being an alcoholic. I don't talk to her. I haven't talked to her in maybe two years. I just had to put up a boundary because she was using me and it just felt like I wasn't really her son. I was just like a piggy bank to her. So I just had to protect myself and cut her off and I mean, it's been so often on over the years, like,
Having such like a up and down relationship, it just like is so unstable and like I love stability. And she was like just a very toxic aspect of my life where I felt like she was never adding anything. She was just taking. And so I knew for myself, I had to put up walls and she disrespected me way too many times where I just had to cut it off.
Does your sister have communication with her? Yeah. So I know that she's doing fine and whatnot. That's good though. That's probably hard. That's so hard. Even if it's the most toxic relationship, it's still your mom and you're just like, damn. I don't know. So another thing, I went on that retreat for a week. You learn to mourn your parents' death and you go through this whole process. Honestly, to me, she's been dead for a long time and she's not the same person I knew growing up.
It's weird, like I had a music video about her where it was basically, mourning someone that's still alive is such an odd thing, because she's not the same person, but she's still walking in a human here on this planet. But to me, she's completely different. Yeah. Just doesn't it? Not around anymore. It doesn't exist. Yeah. I remember that music video. Was that after the Don't Wait? It was kind of like, also the same kind of fantasy vibe, right?
Um, this one was more like, it was a very like accurate representation of what my life was like when I was a kid with her. Was she like a monster in the video though? Like, no, that was, that was, don't wait. So there was, she was like a witch in that one, but I did like an actual one. Um, it's called letting you go.
And it was beautifully shot. I worked with this amazing director and she really was able to capture the essence of the house that I lived in and some scenes of my mom being drunk and going in.
front of like the neighbor's house and like waving a stick in the air and like telling me that she's gonna die and come back as a bird and like it's just so traumatizing and embarrassing and being taken off to like rehab like constantly throughout my childhood. In front of like everyone. And how old were you? Started when I was eight years old so. Oh wow.
that my friends would be like, where's your mom? And I was like, oh, she's on a work trip. And meanwhile, she's in rehab for two months. And then she'd come back and she'd be good for a while, but then just like all throughout my life, it was just constantly
I've been down back and forth and stable. Yeah, and then you said that's my like stability now Yeah, but it's interesting because you do because even now you're like you do kind of move back and forth a little bit like you were in London for a year and then you have a house here But I don't know if I want to stay here So that's interesting because I think like someone like you would want to just be in one spot forever
I know. And I think that's what brings me back here when I go to London for a while. I'm like, oh, I just want to be home. So. You can do this like your home here. Yeah. Because my friends are here and I just like, I have roots. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ally feels like home after you, because you've been here for how long since 20 years. Oh my God. 2011. So like 17 years. It's a long time considering you're like so young too. So that is like the majority of your life here. You're from Boston. Massachusetts, yeah. And do you ever go back?
I go back in the summertime. And are you part of like a fan, like Nantucket, like that area or what part of Boston? No, it's like a small town called Mulbrough. Okay. Yeah, it's just like a... And you would never go back there. To live? Yeah. Oh my God, don't scare me. Good, good, me too. No. And for Melanoi and the thought of having to live back there, I'm like, yeah. I like to go visit, like it's beautiful and like, I love the greenery and I love big fluffy clouds. So like, I get that fantasy. Okay.
She come out this way. We have big clouds here. We're like in a cloud in the morning. We wake up and there's like huge clouds. Really? Yeah. We're like, what is it called? The fog? What is that? What are we in? We're in a big cloud in the morning. That's so cool.
Oh, no, no, no. I want, like, big, cumulonimbus clouds up in the sky. I remember cumulonimbus, but what were the other two types of clouds? It's like cumulonimbus and something else. I don't know. Wait, there was, like, three big ones, and we always would study clouds. OK, the love clouds. I was so excited to get into this with you. Just those ones. I know that the relation to condensation, to precipitation, to a cumulonimbus. What's the water cycle or what? Yeah. So it evaporates, condensates. Wow.
Condensation is like what's on the cup. Percipitation. Wait, what? The condensation is on a Pepsi. Yes. So where does that come from in the clouds? It's always too dull. I think that's actually weird. Where are you? Really? You're supposed to eat the paint chips. Delicious.
Did your mom like advise you to do this or how did this happen? Yeah, it was her. No, I like we grew up very poor. So like my, my mom was a single mom. So we were just in like crappy apartments that just didn't have like lead like protocols or stuff. So I was like just gnawing on the windowsills. But didn't she be like, don't do that? I don't think she is noticed. She was like working and I was just like, did you like it? I feel like I did. People did me paint chips. Like I've heard that saying before. Like in Tommy Boy, he ate paint chips as well.
Yes, don't do that. Definitely don't. I'm sure I still have a little lead inside me. Oh my gosh. Do you think you'll ever have kids? Do you think you want kids? I do. Yeah. Yeah. I think I'd love to start with a girl and then do a boy.
A child. A girl child. John and Billy said you'd have kids with a girl, so I'm trying to think if you want to start with a girl. Oh, no, like I want a girl. Oh, God, I got it. A girl. Yes, daughter. Yeah. I love the way you're like, let's start with a girl. Yes. The girls are the best. Yeah, for sure. And then she'd want one girl one point. What do you do with all your dogs? I guess they could have take care of the dogs with you. Oh, just have a whole little family. That's so cute. Oh my gosh. Countryside. Would you ever do like a bachelor type show?
Um, like where you're at the Bachelor. Oh my God, I had a show idea. It was called Love at First Sign. And it would be me dating the Zodiac signs. I kind of did like a smaller version of this, like on my channel, but imagine like the Bachelor, but you don't know their Zodiac signs. And there's like an astrologer who's basically like, uh, can tell you your compatibility. But as you eliminate them, they reveal like their side. Yeah. Would you know, do you think you could tell when someone's like,
I think so. Who are you most compatible with?
Pisces, also fellow tourists, Virgos, Capricorns, Scorpios. Oh, that whole Scorpio, right? He's a Scorpio. He's a Scorpio, tourist Scorpio are opposites, so it's good, yeah. Oh my god, they're the best. Do you love it? I think they're like sister signs or something with each other. Yeah, I do love a Scorpio. He's the only Scorpio I like. Everyone else is Scorpios. Love Scorpios. You do? Yes. That's wild. I don't know if I like any other Scorpios. There's different types of Scorpios. He's an October Scorpio, and November Scorpio is, yeah, I think the more crazy ones.
Taurus is wild, I've never met a Taurus that I like want to date, but I do love a Taurus, I love a fellow Taurus. Yeah, I feel not too old. I almost was so close to being a Taurus, she was supposed to come, I think on your birthday, are you May 16th? Yeah. And she was just a little, a little late, but yeah, she ended up being a gem and I was like, okay, but it's great, we love it, but I probably could have, I guess as I had to see she probably could have had her come out a couple days early to be a Taurus, but I thought maybe that was messing with, maybe not. Oh, yes. Actually, I want this.
Wait, that's so crazy. But not to actually happen to be out of town from like the 20th through like the 24th. So like it was like way too early to do like the 18th. So that you could like essentially choose what your kid signs going to be. Yeah. Do you believe in astrology?
Kind of I don't know too much about like I definitely know like I'm a tourist I'm like I love money and I love hustling and I love being like in my hard head and like yes I don't know about too much but I was like what are your other big three? Like what's your rising in your moon? Oh, I don't know that you don't my mom just know what time I was born I don't know how your birth certificate will stay on there really yeah, I don't have a birth certificate I'll look it up. Yeah, you know your other ones. Yeah, I'm a burgo rising and a cancer moon and
Oh, interesting cancer, your cancer. Yeah, I know it. We always said it was weird because you are tourists. Then I worked for you and you're a tourist and Darien is a tourist. Yeah, so it's no. Cancer and tourists are very compatible.
A lot of my friends were, like Shane was a cancer, like I, yeah, he was my only friend. He was my only friend. He was my only friend. He was my only friend. He was my only friend. He was my only friend. He was my only friend. He was my only friend. He was my only friend. He was my only friend. He was my only friend. He was my only friend. He was my only friend. He was my only friend. He was my only friend. He was my only friend. He was my only friend. He was my only friend.
I don't know I believe yeah, like I love like the idea of it all but I don't know exactly like Does it matter? I'm not sure It says that you your son is Taurus your moon is Aquarius and then they're going gently
Aquarius and Virgo and Jenna. How do you know what time I was born? I don't even know what time I was born. Oh someone did it for me. How did they know? Oh they probably just put up random time. I'm pretty sure I was born in the morning at church. Like my mom was like, I don't like your puppies, but like my mom was going to labor during church. No, it's when you're like
Yeah, so I think since she pushed for a few hours, I was like noon or something. Oh, okay. But I think they just probably guessed the time. Oh, she's at church and she went into labor. Yeah, she had like her water break and everything. It's like it's dying. Oh my God. It is crazy. I love Jesus. Yeah. I love Jesus. It makes so much sense. That was a good day. You know what day you were born?
Day? Yeah. You don't know the day? You were born like a Monday at Tuesday. Oh, no. I don't know. I don't know. She never gave you a story like this is where I was when this was happening. Nope. Mine was just like in the morning. I just went to the bathroom and I was like a lot more water. And I think I'm having contractions. Let's go to the hospital. Oh my God. But people always have like crazy stories like, oh, I like fell over something like that. But anyways, well, we never finished what's next for you. That's where I was going. Oh, back to Joseph Michael.
Back to Joseph Michael. Oh, my God. We went on a tangent. I know. I did try to go dark. Okay, so what's next? What's next? This year? 2025? Well, I'm writing another book, so that's in the process. I always look to be ranked because it's a lot. Four. So this will be my fifth. Is this memoir? No. That was my first one. So this was another fiction. What was it called in real life or something?
Yeah. Chapter 8, I'm gay. Was it chapter 8? Was it? I think it was like 14. It was close. How was I'm gay 14? That's crazy. That should have been chapter 1. Right. You don't chronalogical. Yeah, but that's what people know you for as you're like coming up with you. But this was before I launched this book with the music video. This was history. This was gay history. It was big. It was big. That should have been the first chapter of that was you're coming out, you know, like.
I thought about it. They're so funny because when I was telling people that it was coming out chains, like you should just do a video where you sit down in front of the camera and you're just saying, I'm gay. And then it's another video. Did you do it? Oh, you did a music video. I did a music video. Like, let me just do a full music video. Yeah, the drama. These ideas, not always the creators. Sometimes I always say, he would give me ideas and I didn't do half of them. I'm like, I think you tried to sabotage me a little bit. There was some crazy ones that I'm like, absolutely not. Like a hundred layers.
Yes, probably that to be honest. It was a lot of that and it was a lot of like weird trolling stuff. You wouldn't have thought of the hundred lyrics. You were not watching simply theological. Yes, probably was him.
Because there was probably a lot of trolling videos that she was like yeah I actually just associate a lot of that time in my life. I can't remember but I know I was always like never good and he's like but even like the one I did about Tati the one where I was so angry and I was like Tati like he definitely told me like I couldn't care less I didn't even talk to you what's for it was you know what I mean and then I'm doing a video just like screaming at her
Which I remember you promoted which I was like so grateful Yeah, I sent you PR and you were like made like a whole video about you unboxing
I think I like jealous in like a good way. I was always so jealous of everything you did, like getting book deals and stuff. That's like not easy. So you're doing this one with a publisher too? Yes. A different publisher. This is with HarperCollins. Wow. The biggest one out there. It's like, yeah. It's like the only one I heard. Yeah. Hey, wait, HarperCollins. Okay. And then Escape and I will be coming out probably this spring or summer. And then I'm going to hopefully pitch it and get it made. That's your goal this year to do. Yeah, I want to get a deal. And what's is the book fiction?
It is, yeah, it's about witches, actually. Is Helvetka gonna be in there? Say her name, right? Hackettay. Hackettay, what did I say? That sounds like something from somewhere, for sure. That's a font. That's a font name, Helvetica. You're so smart, you act like you're not, you're like so smart, like how do you know the font is, like, name is crazy. Oh my God, thank you so much. Okay, so you're doing the witch's book and that, and then where do you see yourself?
Living because you're kind of like you're like, I might leave. Yeah, I think I'll still be in LA but I'm just focusing on pet content again launching my brand this year and just like really pushing that out. That's huge. Yeah. Thank you. That's actually so big. So you do you're very good at that is like starting starting brands are so hard. It is hard. Do you have like investors or you just investing yourself? Investing myself, but I'm open to investors. So hard to do.
Mr. Beast, if you want to get into the pet world. Oh, I'm scared. Do you like Mr. Beast with your thoughts on him? Oh, it's not really the content I enjoy watching. I think he's really good at what he does, but it's, he seems like a very scary person based off what Rosanna's told me.
I know. Rosanna was here when she broke the Mr. Priest news and I was scared for her. I was like, girl, this is a lot. I know. She's got contact with the FBI now. Yeah. And hers is intense. It's crazy. I'm going to see her this Saturday, actually. Oh, fun. She's got updates. Yeah. Her nephews are the same ages as my daughter. So we're always birthday swapping together. Yeah. It's pretty fun. Now we see her. And that's when I catch up on stuff. But I love Rosanna Queen. Yeah. I love this new rebrand for her. She's like, I'm going to be. That's what she got. Do you guys start spilling tea?
I don't have tea to spill though. You do, but you don't know. Because I think if we really ask, because like I said in the beginning, you were always like one degree of separation away from the main drama people. That's so crazy. Yeah. Because of the shame, you were with Trisha, like at James at one point. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. You're with Nanny and Laura during that first drama. Oh my God. Yeah. Maybe I'm the problem.
Who you look at, the one connecting it all? You are a girl who says to you her. Ms. Glamorazzi. Yeah, love. Where is she? I love her. She's making candles. Love. Yeah. And they are lesbian life. I responded to one of her TikToks, just being so supportive and being like, oh my God, you were like everything. And she didn't even respond, but her wife did. Oh.
Maybe she's not online like that anymore. Yeah, I know that's true. That's true. They shouldn't block it that you're gonna say she blocked you or something like that. I think she didn't follow me, but whatever. Damn, check. I don't want to see this content. I like your content. I like the- what the- what you're doing in like the night? It looks like the- it looks like AI, but it's not. What is that? Like, no dark fantasy. An armor? Oh, I love that. Oh, yes. But it's not dark fantasy. It's actually you.
What were we doing before? Just for fun? Just for fun. A lot. Yeah, I found this photographer. She's amazing. And we rented an armor set. And we just shot in her backyard. Just for fun. I love doing those kind of things. It's like so fun. Yeah. Just dress up. And we will love that. And I know that about you so much back in the day.
I didn't know you like love to cosplay. Yes, I want to get more into it. I want to do some of the Marvel rivals characters. Yeah, you used to like make your own all the time. I used to, yeah. And yet, well, to source them are so expensive. Yeah. Like the queens from RuPaul, they're always like, we spent $30,000 on runway looks and it's like minimum. You need to be a guest judge on that. I don't know if they're going to let me on, but I don't know. I'm.