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    BTC198: Institutions Adopting Bitcoin w/ Max Kei and Pascal Hugli (Bitcoin Podcast)

    enSeptember 04, 2024
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    • Institutional Bitcoin adoptionThe Riga Bitcoin and Blockchain Conference fostered deeper understanding of Bitcoin within traditional financial institutions, showcasing the importance of continued education and collaboration in institutional adoption.

      The Riga Bitcoin and Blockchain Conference was a significant event for institutional adoption of Bitcoin, showcasing the oldest running Bitcoin conference in the world. Max Kai, CEO of Debify, and Pascal Hugli from Mersky Bauman shared their experiences and insights from the conference. The tech-heavy event brought together OG Bitcoiners and builders in the space, with topics ranging from decentralized GitHub to pitching Bitcoin to boomers. Pascal Hugli, from the Swiss bank Mersky Bauman, emphasized the importance of the event in fostering a deeper understanding of Bitcoin within traditional financial institutions. Despite his initial skepticism, Preston was impressed by the quality of speakers and the vibe of the conference, which left him feeling "nostalgic" for Bitcoin and motivated to attend more events in the future. Overall, the Riga Bitcoin and Blockchain Conference served as a reminder of the importance of continued education and collaboration in the institutional adoption of Bitcoin.

    • Peer-to-Peer Bitcoin LendingPeer-to-peer Bitcoin lending platforms like Hodl Hodl reduce risk for all participants by allowing over-collateralized transactions and knowing exactly who the other party is, contrasting traditional fractional reserve banking systems.

      The future of borrowing and lending in the Bitcoin world may lie in peer-to-peer platforms like Hodl Hodl, where transactions are over-collateralized and risk is minimized by knowing exactly who the other party is. This contrasts with traditional fractional reserve banking systems where risk is distributed among various vendors or participants. Max, who ran the Hodl Hodl exchange, and the speaker, who now works with an Indian investment team to help them understand Bitcoin, have discussed this idea in detail. They believe that this approach reduces risk for all participants in the system, as Bitcoin operates differently than legacy banking. The speaker also mentioned that they are currently working on a product for banks to facilitate institutional peer-to-peer lending. Switzerland, in particular, has shown a positive attitude towards Bitcoin and the potential of peer-to-peer lending. While it's not yet fully operational, the future looks promising for this type of lending in the Bitcoin space.

    • Bitcoin wealth management, securityBitcoin experts Sound Advisory and The Bitcoin Way offer services for managing Bitcoin wealth, securing Bitcoin, and navigating traditional finance systems. Max's success in peer-to-peer Bitcoin lending highlights the potential benefits of decentralized approaches, but secure liquidity solutions are needed as Bitcoin wealth grows.

      Sound Advisory, an affiliate company specializing in financial advisory for Bitcoiners, offers expertise in traditional finance and Bitcoin security to help individuals navigate the complexities of self-custody and fiat financial systems. With a focus on Bitcoin wealth management, including tax optimization, retirement, and inheritance strategies, Sound Advisory aims to empower individuals to protect their family's Bitcoin and achieve financial sovereignty. The Bitcoin Way, founded by cybersecurity expert Tony Yasbeck, emphasizes the importance of Bitcoin as a protective measure against fiat currency collapse and provides training for secure self-custody, device protection, inheritance planning, and citizenship security. Max, a peer-to-peer Bitcoin lender, has successfully navigated two full market cycles without any issues, highlighting the potential benefits of this decentralized approach. However, the banking sector's understanding of Bitcoin and its use in lending and borrowing is still evolving. As the Bitcoin community continues to grow and more individuals hold substantial Bitcoin wealth, there is a need for responsible and secure ways to access liquidity, such as real estate financing, without compromising the security of their Bitcoin holdings. The key lies in understanding the unique characteristics of Bitcoin and its potential use cases, as well as developing innovative solutions that cater to the specific needs of the Bitcoin community.

    • Bitcoin Real Estate LoansGrowing interest in Bitcoin as collateral for real estate loans, potential for lower interest rates and higher liquidity, but concerns about ETF collateral and fractional reserve risks, industry adoption may take years, self-custody and key control are crucial

      There is a growing interest in using Bitcoin as collateral for real estate loans due to the potential for lower interest rates and higher liquidity. However, there are concerns about the use of Bitcoin ETFs as collateral and the risks associated with traditional finance's fractional reserve system. From the perspective of a bank, offering Bitcoin-backed real estate loans could be a way to differentiate and broaden services, but it may take several years for the industry to fully adopt this approach. Ultimately, the importance of self-custody and holding one's own keys in Bitcoin is emphasized as a crucial aspect of the Bitcoin standard.

    • Swiss Banks and Bitcoin LendingSwiss banks' reluctance to offer Bitcoin lending due to risk and competition concerns overlooks potential business opportunities and security benefits. Self-custody and collaborative custody solutions change the game, and banks should consider multiple options for customers.

      Traditional Swiss banks are hesitant to offer Bitcoin lending services due to their conservative approach and fear of being less competitive. They prefer to keep things low-risk and have a low TVL (Total Value Locked) to avoid the risk of liquidation. However, many Bitcoin holders, who are typically conservative themselves, would be fine with this arrangement. The banks' reluctance to understand the potential business case and the underlying security of Bitcoin is ironic, as they have historically provided secure custody of assets. The emergence of self-custody and collaborative custody opportunities in Bitcoin changes the game, and banks should consider offering multiple options to their customers, including both custodial and non-custodial lending. Additionally, the fractional reserve system used by banks to make revenues off deposits will be significantly impacted by the adoption of Bitcoin and the collapse of the money multiplier. The use of dollar stablecoins in borrowing and lending agreements is crucial for ensuring a smooth transition in case of price fluctuations and the need for liquidation.

    • Stablecoins role in transactionsStablecoins, pegged to traditional currencies, enable seamless and automated transactions, increasing efficiency and adoption of cryptocurrencies, but require regulatory balance to ensure stability and security.

      Stablecoins, which are a type of digital currency pegged to a traditional currency like the US dollar, play a crucial role in facilitating immediate settlement and reducing settlement risk in transactions. The importance of stablecoins lies in their ability to represent fiat currency in a tokenized way, enabling seamless and automated transactions between parties. This can lead to increased efficiency and adoption of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. However, there are regulatory and risk considerations that need to be addressed, such as potential government intervention and the size and influence of large stablecoin issuers. As the use of stablecoins continues to grow, it is essential to strike a balance between innovation and regulation to ensure a stable and secure financial system.

    • Stablecoins and Tokenized AssetsStablecoins and tokenized assets, like tokenized stocks, are becoming crucial for institutions seeking minimal risk transactions, but their underlying assets' prices can fluctuate like Bitcoin, with the difference being the influence of a CEO or entity on tokenized assets.

      Stablecoins and tokenized assets are becoming increasingly important in the financial world, particularly for institutions seeking to settle transactions with minimal risk. Stablecoins, like USDT and USDC, were initially adopted by airlines and exchanges to avoid fiat risks, and they're now poised to make a similar impact in banking. Max shared an example of Storck Exchange, which tokenizes real equity, like MicroStrategy stock, and allows 24/7 trading. However, the risk is similar to that of Bitcoin – the underlying asset's price can fluctuate. The difference lies in the fact that Bitcoin is decentralized and not controlled by a single entity, while tokenized stocks have a CEO or entity that can influence the company's direction. Swiss Bank is exploring the tokenization of equity, allowing digital share tokens with the same legal rights as traditional shares. The future of tokenized equity could see two scenarios: either Bitcoin takes away the monetary premium, or people continue to speculate on tokenized assets. Max encouraged financial institutions to be proactive and consider offering Bitcoin borrowing and lending services, while Pascal invited individuals to connect with Swiss Bank for Bitcoin custody. Ultimately, the technological development of Bitcoin and the financialization of the world are driving the adoption of these new financial tools.

    • Bitcoin educationExplore Bitcoin's potential benefits and innovations, learn from experts, and take advantage of educational resources like TIP Finance with a discount using the code '10 years'.

      Despite the criticisms and concerns surrounding Bitcoin, it's important to explore its potential benefits and innovations. Preston Pysh, a guest on The Investors Podcast Network, emphasized the importance of looking beyond the negatives and encouraged listeners to educate themselves about Bitcoin. The Investors Podcast Network, celebrating its 10th anniversary with over 170 million downloads, offers various courses and tools to help investors learn about stocks, ETFs, and intrinsic value. Their tool, TIP Finance, can help analyze companies and find bargains in the market. To show their gratitude for listeners' support, they're offering a 10% discount on courses and a TIP Finance lifetime subscription using the code "10 years" until September 30, 2024. Remember, this podcast is for entertainment purposes only, and before making any investment decisions, consult a professional.

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    On today’s episode, Clay Finck is joined by Aswath Damodaran to discuss his new book, The Corporate Life Cycle.  Aswath Damodaran is a professor at NYU of corporate finance and valuation and has taught thousands of students how to value companies and pick stocks. He has written numerous books on valuation and has also made all of his university courses available online for free. Aswath is one of the clearest teachers of finance and investing in the industry. IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN: 00:00 - Intro 01:48 - What the corporate life cycle is and why it’s important. 01:48 - Why value investors should be open to investing at different points in the life cycle. 09:32 - Why the job of management is to maximize shareholder value. 17:21 - The difference in returns between value and growth investing. 27:44 - How the story and narrative around Tesla has changed over the past decade. 43:02 - How management’s skillset needs to change throughout the corporate life cycle. 50:41 - How companies should handle the decline phase of the life cycle. 58:23 - Why Aswath is against concentrating his portfolio. And so much more! Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences. BOOKS AND RESOURCES Join the exclusive TIP Mastermind Community to engage in meaningful stock investing discussions with Stig, Clay, Kyle, and the other community members. Check out Aswath’s new book — The Corporate Life Cycle.  Check out Aswath’s Website.  Check out Aswath’s YouTube Channel. Mentioned Episode: WSB508: Buffett's Purchase of TSM & Meta "Doomsday" Analysis, or watch the video. Related Episode: WSB577: Valuation Masterclass w/ Aswath Damodaran, or watch the video. Related Episode: RWH005: Meet the Master w/ Aswath Damodaran, or watch the video. Follow Aswath on Twitter. Follow Clay on Twitter. Check out all the books mentioned and discussed in our podcast episodes here. Enjoy ad-free episodes when you subscribe to our Premium Feed. NEW TO THE SHOW? Follow our official social media accounts: X (Twitter) | LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook | TikTok. Check out our We Study Billionaires Starter Packs. Browse through all our episodes (complete with transcripts) here. Try our tool for picking stock winners and managing our portfolios: TIP Finance Tool. Enjoy exclusive perks from our favorite Apps and Services. Stay up-to-date on financial markets and investing strategies through our daily newsletter, We Study Markets. Learn how to better start, manage, and grow your business with the best business podcasts. SPONSORS Support our free podcast by supporting our sponsors: River Toyota Range Rover Vacasa AT&T The Bitcoin Way Public American Express Onramp SimpleMining Fundrise Shopify USPS HELP US OUT! Help us reach new listeners by leaving us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts! It takes less than 30 seconds, and really helps our show grow, which allows us to bring on even better guests for you all! Thank you – we really appreciate it! Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm

    BTC196: Bitcoin-powered Banking at Fold w/ Will Reeves (Bitcoin Podcast)

    BTC196: Bitcoin-powered Banking at Fold w/ Will Reeves (Bitcoin Podcast)
    In this episode, we explore Will Reeves' Bitcoin journey and how it led to the creation of Fold, a company that has evolved from offering Bitcoin rewards through gift card purchases to becoming a comprehensive financial services app. We also discuss Fold’s recent decision to go public, the company's long-term vision as a Bitcoin-powered bank, and the expansion of its services, including credit, lending, and insurance. Additionally, Will shares insights into Fold's treasury management, partnerships, and the global adoption of Bitcoin. IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN: 00:00 - Intro 07:55 - Will Reeves’ background and the defining moment that led him to Bitcoin. 09:35 - Key inflection points in Fold’s evolution from a Bitcoin rewards platform to a full-fledged financial services app. 14:45 - The "flywheel effect" of increasing Bitcoin reserves and its impact on Fold’s future growth.30:13 - The toughest challenges Fold faced during its transition. 16:57 - Insights into Fold’s decision to go public and expectations from the public markets.23:32 - Fold’s vision of becoming a Bitcoin-powered bank and how they plan to redefine banking. 19:59 - How Fold’s Bitcoin reserve factors into the company’s financial strategy. 24:37 - How user feedback drives Fold’s product development cycle. 25:48 - Fold’s plans for expanding into credit, lending, and insurance. 27:52 - Trends in how Fold users are utilizing their Bitcoin rewards. 31:31 - Fold’s global expansion plans and how the company fits into the international financial landscape. 43:21 - The impact of partnerships with Visa, BitGo, and Marqeta on Fold’s growth. BOOKS AND RESOURCES Try the Fold App. Will Reeves' X (Twitter) Account. NEW TO THE SHOW? Join the exclusive TIP Mastermind Community to engage in meaningful stock investing discussions with Stig, Clay, Kyle, and the other community members. Follow our official social media accounts: X (Twitter) | LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook | TikTok. Check out our We Study Billionaires Starter Packs. Browse through all our episodes (complete with transcripts) here. Try our tool for picking stock winners and managing our portfolios: TIP Finance Tool. Enjoy exclusive perks from our favorite Apps and Services. Stay up-to-date on financial markets and investing strategies through our daily newsletter, We Study Markets. Learn how to better start, manage, and grow your business with the best business podcasts. SPONSORS Support our free podcast by supporting our sponsors: River Toyota Range Rover Vacasa AT&T The Bitcoin Way Public American Express Onramp SimpleMining Fundrise Shopify USPS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm