AR-15 Podcast 463 – Not so silent night

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Welcome to the AR-15 podcast. This shows for you if you just bought your first AR or if you've been building them for years. There is something we can all do to take our black rifles to the next level. My name is Nick Dooley. I am joined tonight. I'm my very special co-host, Garth Over. As I wish, I didn't want to

And with that, we also have two other special guests with tonight. We have the director of rooftop operations. Pastor Craig. Pastor Craig. And we also have the AR-15's own social media coordinator, Joe. So if everybody hasn't figured out what it is, this is not so silent night. We are sorry that we are a little bit behind schedule tonight,

We are obviously not in our normal studio location. There's a lot of conversation that was going on here from the rumble chat about pizza. And we may have just had some of that done too. And yeah, ours is probably better than yours. I'm going to get some more. Also, I'm going to answer a question here that was brought up as I want to hear with I watched what over on rumble.

The question he asked before we get into anything else, because I saw this as we were getting ready for the show tonight. Anyone know why the Form 1 Trust takes forever, but the individual goes right through. So I have it on fairly good authority that the issue we have is not the trust or what not. It's when you're doing an individual form, or if it's a trust that has been through before,

that it was the, it's now more or less an AI that looks at everything. It just goes through, it looks at the form and goes, yep, everything's in order. And it goes, and just shoots them through, like Hillary Clinton going through emails. And as that goes through,

It doesn't need to have a set of human eyes look at it, whereas the trust will have to, especially the first time a trust goes through, because they have to verify that things are written correctly. And that is why it takes longer for a lot of trust stuff to go through, because it's actually being looked at by human people that have to type things in and make sure everything's correct.

Whereas an individual or all the e-form stuff, just a computer goes... And it's just like that. It's the exact sound effects. Just like that. Yeah. That's how this kind of happens, man. What type I give it? Also, there is no Santa suit because I am not that jolly. I don't have any more. I preach Jesus more than I preach Santa. That is fair.

And also, bourbon is a good thing there. So as we get into those things. Also, if we have any audio issues, anybody please let us know in the live chat. I think we're coming through good on the audio quality here. But as always, this is a super professional show. We did a ton of sound checks before we started. So many sound checks were at least for an hour.

Yeah, 100%. Definitely did not slide in here and set a camera up on a tripod, like a rifle tripod behind us, and then figure out exactly how we were going to do this as we set up. Correct. So, Nick, you've done anything fun this week with guns? About guns? I mean, you kind of tell everybody that my life is guns. Yeah, so what'd you do? Because I didn't think shit.

Well, we'll get into one of the things we did tonight, which we will have some kind of footage and stuff to follow up on later. But I got in. Well, I am excited for one thing that I hope would be here for tonight for us to take to their age, but it wasn't. And it is probably the cheapest thing I've done with with guns of late. And I ordered some pads from Blue Alpha.

And they missed the opportunity to call these the maxi pads. That was me. Craig came up with that. That was me. I think it's very marketable. But it maximizes your comfort. See, I was thinking five steps ahead. Yeah, exactly. But it's 40 chests. But as we go through here, what they are is they're actually a pad that goes attaches to the velcro of your outer belt.

So it adds like a rubberized coating to stick to any of your clothes or anything that you have on your outer gun belt. So you don't have to have it stuck to the velcro inner. And he was down in Georgia. See that? But

So it's, you can use it with any clothes or anything like that. If it's cold out, it'll go around your gear and then it has like a rubberized under coating to hold on and actually attach itself. No, I'm gonna try the maxi pad. Yeah. And it was $14. It's reasonable to add to your belt you already have. And that is, that is kind of,

Is that kind of universal across brands? Yep. It'll work with all proprietary. Yeah, it's not brighter to them. Like if only I could do this and pull it up and show what I'm talking about to people looking at home and to anyone. Cause we're going to leather belt. Well, I'm not going to say yes. Sounds like it. Well, and Velcro is two year belt. You have to have to have Velcro.

I was envisioning some of this stuff over the top of the plate. It's not a slide-through belt pad. This attaches to the Velcro. Does it just mean we're hanging up some for loose clothing or? No, so it takes place and it adds more grip. And then it also won't get stuck on any fabric like of your hoodie. Oh, okay. Like if it's tilly or something like that.

So it has like a non-stick or a sticky, the opposite of non-stick, a more stick. Sure. But does that take real estate off the belt from where you even have pouches and posters? No, it's on the inside. Yeah. So what this does is it goes through, pull it up here so you wouldn't see what I'm talking about. It's like click on this. And it goes on the inside of the belt. So as you

look at it, it just, you use this in place of your inner belt, and it will do all your normal holster things, because it has that texturing inside. So you have to put everything on, and then you put that about. Yep, it's just a pad that goes across underneath of it to be like a padded battle belt that you would find, but you can still put your inner on it if you want.

Then you can just quickly remove this otter off. OK. So I'm excited for that to show up. Because that will add more options and opportunity, especially when you're running the cold weather gear. Like you said, when you get jackets and stuff, we don't necessarily want to creep up underneath your jacket, but you can run over top of it. Yeah, and that's what it is kind of for. And like collectors say here in the comments,

It's very much like the HFGI padded duty belt liner, and that's kind of where it came from, to add that little bit of friction. The friction padding and comfort, all those things. The other thing that I did was I got in my HDR setup, and I've been testing that out. Actually, I didn't use it today. Excuse me.

For before work, I went down and did 10 minutes of drive fire on the simulator. And just ran up one of their drills and was like, OK, up and draw from the holster. Quick, quick, quick. It's napping through. And 10 minutes, I think I shot like 100 rounds of drive fire just real quick on the VR system. In the two days I've had it running, I think I'm at 2,500 or somewhat rounds. Did you buy the holster set up with it? No.

Mine is working with the, the holster I have. Okay. Because it's, I do not have a light on it, but with the light bearing holster, everything moves down into the right position. Oh, okay. Get on to it. Yeah. No, it was a really cool system when we first saw it last year at shop show. And the only reason I know I didn't jump on it right away is because they didn't have a whole lot of courses out yet.

And so we're kind of waiting. And then all of a sudden like a month ago, you know, a couple of guys are really talking about on social media. And it really took off in a major way for a change you ordered something out of me. Yeah, that was very nice. I've seen a lot of, I don't know, just random people on the Instagram or social media or if it's the actual ads, but it looks really. Oh, no, I've seen that. I'm probably swinging over to at least this weekend and play with it. But

Yeah, I want I want to get my hands on it before I submit that commitment, but I can't get it. It does look awesome. When we got to play with it for 20 minutes in Vegas that we did, it was super simplistic, super realistic. I mean, it's a video game. It's still VR. But I mean, just the way that the gun was cool, just actually getting to shoot and not spend money at rounds is a huge plus. I just bought 5,000 rounds of annual.

even thing, you talk about rounds, just even with my black ear on my rifle, all winter long in my basement, working from home, I can take my brake stuff out. I got 15 rounds of that thing, you should 10 minutes a day, and it's just terrible. And then definitely I like about the black ear, because I put it in my trigger. I'm using my trigger. It's my, it's everything that I used to, other than the rig. Yeah. Yeah, I

Definitely. Yeah, this is a, it's definitely got a lot of valuable training opportunity. I see I'm disappointed. They don't have a rifle setup yet. I know that that has been a conversation that's been had with developers, but they will. I mean, everyone's innovative on that front. Once you've got it, they can't be that hard to come out of her to go forward. Yeah. No, I mean, it's going to happen. So.

Great. As long as the replace is duck hunt, I'm good. So as all it is basically is duck hunt on steroids. So I guess that I'm going to have to instead of a glock tendo that I have hanging on my wall and there's a room, can I have to have a few people design me up for this? Yeah, I just appreciate it. What do you think we start doing like having matches in the basement? Oh, exactly.

I just appreciate innovation and technology of being able to do that, where yes, there's always an upfront investment. But at the end of the day, I'm one of those guys that has a little laser cartridge that goes in my guns, and I set up my targets in the basement, and we've got the cell phone out, and absolutely nothing against it, especially the one that I use, I think it's ProShoot or whatever. It actually gives you an audio beep, kind of like our shooting time, or as clock timers at the range. And just anything that you can do

to keep your fundamentals going, especially in the cold day and downstairs. Or even if you just have 10 minutes, but you don't have time to go over the range a little while a year ago. The math is apt to say, wait, you know, I can, it's got the target and then it's the smart targets and it's got the control target. So you shoot start, it comes down and gives you the beef and you go. And it's crazy. Like you read the, read the comments, like we come across the ads on Facebook or something and people are like, why would I spend that amount of money? We spent $250 on this.

You can shoot that amount of ammo in 20 minutes in your basement. And now it's not paid for itself. In the ammo, you're not shooting. So, and then because that's the biggest constraint in my opinion, to shooting. Once I have a pickle, once I have the outfit that I want, and it's going to stay there, the biggest constraint is the amount that you have to spend an ammo to continue training. I've said it a million times, I'm going to dark play. Why? Because I could practice in my basement for

Well, that's one thing I missed about my art tree days. Yeah, you just buy what you put with four arrows, really, I mean, what you've got, and you just keep reshooting them until they wear them all. But you know what we can't do with VR and laser dots and stuff on the labor targets, but we can't mess with people, Joe.

But we can't night shoot with lasers and lights, which is my professional segue, do we? Yes, that was a very, very solid. I mean, yeah, very, very solid segue. We're going to throw a sponsor in there somewhere. Oh, I mean, we will a little bit. We're not at that time yet. We've got our ticker there. It'll don't worry. We'll slide one. But it was cold tonight. It was cold tonight, what we played with. Yeah, it was cold. And I think every time we've taken Craig out night shooting, it's been cold. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, no, it is. And I want to give it a try at, like, what we used to do for coyote hunt loop when you wait for that snow on the ground and full moon. We didn't do it, like, tonight, other than... No, no, no, but you get that reflecting off the snow, or what did we get? Not that we're not at all sponsored at all by it, but, like, we got to actually see Starlink. That was cool. Seeing the Starlink flying in the sky and the nods, looking out and geeking out.

I wish to just tell him what we did tonight. He laid on and stared started. That's romantic. She wrote for dudes you could basically talk about. Seriously, when we were in Georgia, we were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New York, you were in New

I think it has to. Right there. It was an actual account or an ad for nods, but they're late. I bought a second set so we can go look at the stars together. You brought three to nice. You have no right job. I didn't say anything. We did a rough guess that is what that vehicle is worth tonight. This is the case. We had to roll it over to the insurance company, but beer jumped out in front of us.

Yeah, no, it was fun. Because last time I night shot with you guys, we were doing a test between different common weapon lights. Tonight, I mean, we play with common weapon lights, but tonight, really, let's just get up and dance and just have some fun. Just try your equipment. Yeah. At the age is, we found out certain guys didn't want to run the night. I know when I talked, I talked to Nick Smart, and I'm like, what do you got landed? Like, what do I need to bring? I'm like, because I just got done with my M4 build, I'm like,

I'll throw my, I've got a shirt fire up for a lifetime there. So I get home, pull it out, click nothing. So I'm out great. It's a stupid thing to take. And then I call kid. I'm, hey, you need to go to Walmart for me. I need to call these, get these batteries so I can get that later. You know, right? You don't go play like you don't know. Yeah. And then the other part, so Joe was running like,

The cool thing about the light Joe was running, and this is a nerd thing, he's actually running, so he built, they might saw on our Instagrams, he had the M4 clone that he put up on there, he actually has a proper GWT, clone correct light. It's the share fire with the IR filter, so you can flip down in and out of IR,

before running a different moveable head. So it's the OG like swivel before pre-swivel is just an IR filter. So like that is peak 2008 G1 tech. It's good. It's so cool. Yeah. I'm not a fan of throwing junk on my cigars. Like putting that light on there was like, I hated running around with

at 15 on our rifles in Georgia. It's, I don't know, I like simplicity. Like you go to Reddit, go to the AR port over the AR thread. Everybody's got stupid, drill, light, there's that. It's like, how much that stuff's you need? Like tonight, yeah, it was. I was really surprised with my ACOM. With that flashlight, using just the white light, I was hitting it at 100 meters. I was keeping making head shots at 100 meters.

Yeah, that surprised that I was able with me with my with my a car to be able to shoot under the white. Yeah. And you also run an a car, you know, running that prism optic with with magnification and having the. No, my. Oh, you're still present. Yeah. Yep. It says he has the well, just the tritium dot and.

I think you have an LED on that as well that you can turn on, but it's a tritium dot. No, it's just tritium. So he has the marksman, Acog, which is different than the fiber optic version of the RCO. It's not for me. No, we're going to get into nerd shoot if we do that. Is that was that the Jesus scope? Yes. As you learned in that, right? Yeah, that's that's one of the Jesus scopes. Yeah, that's that should be a podcast for another time. Why did you take it on to you? It is.

It'll be it could it's gonna be I got it 13 it's still on there cuz it's it'll have a verse about like yeah Yeah, my arm artist. Yeah, oh So we had We had that go because you were truck you were trying that we

I tested out a super cheap sure-fire knockoff that I'd got like a year and a half or two years ago. Awful, but I'm not even sure where I got it. I think it was eBay fine. And remarkably held on and worked good both IR and... No, I was super impressed with that for how much you said you paid for. It was quite impressive. Yeah, and the other thing that really surprised me

was the $75 Amazon laser light coval, the green weapon laser. Yeah. Yeah. Once everything got tightened down, cause you and I got to play with it about a week and a half ago and did some short range shooting with it during the day. So we had to really experience what the laser was like and stuff. And even with some screws loose on it, it still held zero. I thought fairly decent, but I didn't shoot tonight. Just wasn't feeling

like shooting guns. I just want to sit back and enjoy the evening and watch. And watching all of you guys take turns shooting and hitting that distances in the dark. I damnit cleared the Texas star with it. Yeah. And I got to those last two because it shoots, I mean, the laser was a little off for, well, for me. Yeah. From what, how I zeroed that as well.

I zeroed this in my basement, like I just put a knot up and let, okay, this is where the, I slaved a bunch of things and didn't actually do it correctly. So I did the fast and easy. And it sounds cockish for just wanting to watch. Who said that? Okay.

Why don't you send me your address there? We'll take care of it. So this is for everybody looking. This is actually the unit that we're testing tonight. And it was the Defend Tech MLOT Picatini whatever green laser, high R laser with a flood and white light combo with a tape switch. And it works legitimately impressed.

Oh, it was, again, I had to take it off and zero it or not zero it, but actually put a lock type on the screws to hold everything together. And when we did that, it went through and it held zero through 200 rounds and nine.

We'll end up having way more problems with the rifle. That thing might be hitting the end of its service life. I kind of have to do a little bit of rebuild and tune on that. It's at about 10,000 rounds of almost no maintenance. I think between the firearm and in the light,

You gave me the title director of rooftop operations. This means I load all the precision stuff. I handed it back to you and I said, it's shooting a little high, old low, put the dot on the pelvis. You're going to be just fine. And then, yeah, it was great. I mean, that also speaks volumes to our friends over mental arms. Yeah. So, you know, 10,000 rounds.

Mostly suppressed rounds as well. A hundred percent suppressed. So I mean props to those guys. So again, if you're looking for that perfect PCC And as a friend of dualies who who shoots nearly every single week with him He doesn't oil anything ever like I think you probably spin on things more than you oil them Once in a while, I gotta hand you my bottle of oil oil for other people, but generally I think exactly

So, you have a $75 eBay find that works. Give it a $75 Amazon like that. Yeah, it was only for a little bit tonight that we tried it. I mean, these things could bring in at 400 hours. We don't know. But if that's the barrier of entry that you're looking at is I can't afford anything good. Go buy the cheap stuff.

And if you like it, save the money and work up to buying something better. If it gets you all there, because if you're going to wait until you have $1,000 to buy a pack, or you have $3,000 or the $700 to buy a shirt and buy a flashlight, you're waiting time that you could buy the $75. If it takes you, that means it's a month or a week longer to save that money. Then try to know if you want to do it. If you don't know, hey, I just want to knock and go shoot it, right? Well, you see the bull six hundred dollars.

And that's where I think a lot of the $600 or $3,000 for that. Yeah. So, and that's the thing too. I think like the way you're saying Joe, the biggest thing is give yourself an opportunity to practice with something you build muscle memory. At the end of the day, the same thing, you probably go through 10 times in a row of batteries. So be it, you know, if you go out there and you're mad because like I go back to when we were in Georgia and I never shot under nods. And with the fact that I was frustrated, it was going to be

And Julie, like, hey, you know, we got to do this. You got to do this. So if you're going to go spend $3,000 on PEC 15 and $5,000 on a white bus and go out there and get mad because there's no one there to help you. And then it's just going to sit or you're just going to turn around. So let's sit up. I just cheap stuff. Find out if you're going to get, find out if it's something you actually want to continue with and then save and build. Or if it lasts forever,

So you're saying do not go out and buy three very expensive AKs and three very expensive ARs in an attempt to debunk an argument that no one's going to have with you because we already have that argument on AR-AK show. Yeah, I tried to watch that. I got an hour and a half into it. And the AK guys are a bunch of

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They will not listen to anything, and they continue to spell stuff that has been disproven years ago on, oh, you can bury it in the sand and come dig it out. Man, I've been in an army for 20 years. I don't believe my actual precision gas gun AR gun or three gun rifle, and it runs just fine. I took the block for the

Most of where I got tonight, 40 minutes before I went on a duel, he just screwed my can out of it because I just get on my hand. And I told Greg when we were sitting there, hi Bill, two and a half, it ain't grand flaws. I think the big thing is, and I think the first one, I know the first one to say, if you buy a cheaper thing to practice kudos, you can admit, I'm kind of the gear nut. I buy one scribe once I adopted that a long time ago.

Like if you- There's- There's- There's- There's two things- Yeah, right. I want to try a lot more. I think you want me to wear it out, then buy the good one. Because if you don't use it enough, what's the point of heaven? The- The big thing I'd say is, no matter which route you take, the biggest thing is- And we were talking about this thing on our way back to Garth's place, waiting for Garth's pizza. We were talking about buying really nice firearms versus tools, right? Yeah. Tools that we don't care if we get in the- That's what we're talking about. Yeah, we were talking about like buying a-

a $20,000, you know, but a $20,000 haul and a call under a $50,000 karazik shotgun, right? Or like, yeah, those are things that I'm going to be careful and be worried about, where like my $5,000 AR, I will, you know, drop kick across the fence. You have a $5,000. Yeah. Okay. And my point of all of it is, you know, at the Instagram

At the end of the day, especially for like the family oriented people, set your budget that's not going to piss off the wife. I mean, there is a reality of happy wife, happy life to a point. Yeah. Our family, our family and my wife's going to go through a bunch of surgeries this year, which is mind-blowing to us. That's a personal story. So that's going to set a kink in my budget spending to a point, right? Because at the end of the day, it's going to be the bills. But you set your budget accordingly.

Also remember that you need to have the ammo or or the dry fire devil's and stuff be able to add. Fire is free or both or both. PT is free, dry fire is free. But the biggest thing too, the biggest thing is to actually be able to practice and work with muscle memory. Like for me, I don't shoot under nods very often, only when you and I go out and do it. And tonight, tonight was the first time I got to actually run the binders, run into two knots, which was really set

That's a whole topic, binoculars, this is binoculars, the whole separate thing. But, you know, the thing is, like for me, talking about budget stuff, you know, I went on a little higher end of the fence, I'd go a little higher, and the precision rifles and stuff like that. So I got the AXD Legion, right? Yep, guess what I learned tonight with the binos? Every single shot comes with a massive flash that blanks you out, because all the gas in the plane goes up through the dot. And, I mean, once you get used to it, boom,

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You know, you brought some up that I've never considered in my life because I have done some night shooting. I feel like I have flashlights on my firearms now mainly because of you. And I've enjoyed it. But running knots and shooting pistol, I've never done. And just playing with the IR and everything on the sure fire. It drowns out your

You are a loss. You are shooting into nothing because I don't know where my target is. I mean, I have a general idea, but the whole concept of that I just never even considered. So if you're going to do this and obviously some of you guys are a little bit more of a little bit version of it than me because you've done it, you might want to invest in a red dot for those of you who have it because wow, that will make the world a difference. Yeah, so that is one thing we're

You either get really good at point shooting a handgun, or you have to run, like if you're not running, you're not running an IR light, you can run iron sights on it. But sometimes one, you have to make sure that your focus is in the right spot. And generally, if you have the focus on the sights, you won't have focus on the target because of how night vision works. But I wouldn't say to a point shooting,

I've had an interesting article not too long ago because I've kind of been playing around with that. A lot of people underestimate their peripheral vision. You're still going to have your arm and a pistol in your peripheral that accommodates the point shooting. Night vision, you have no peripheral. So you really have to invest in the possibility of actually being able to see where your gun is. It's literally double shooting before you're even in the tub.

Yeah, I don't recommend shooting with a lot of things, especially when you practice it, you know, by all means, get it, try it, go to a proper place and look at it and try these things under controlled environments because, well, it's a interesting thing to get into if you've never done it before. Well, that's why I kind of want to go back to, sort of, I hate that for help because of the way it is.

going back to the A system and all these different practice techniques that we've been talking about tonight. A lot of them you can't get to see your form of functionality because you're shooting stationary targets, stuff like that versus the VR. Especially if you have a buddy there, you can watch on the screen and what they're shooting and then still see how they're handling the gun as you were talking about all the other day and how you guys were actually able to correct and

It wasn't that as I would stand in front of the gun while he was shooting, but I was watching him fish for the red hat. I was like, oh, I know exactly what you're going to go. But also, I see in the comments here that Bob from Gideon Optics says that he prefers AK shooting experience over the AR. AR is practically superior, just not as enjoyable for me. And that's OK. Everybody's in time of their opinion, even if they're wrong. And we'll just keep moving on with that.

Usually, it's more fun to beat the crowd while it's on the sucks anyway. So, I mean, it's not wrong. I've had a lot of fun and really, really shitty front wheel drive to your car. It's not superior to any of you, but you can have some fun. There's been a lot of work for three inches of fresh milk. I know we have our chaplain here, but it's kind of like, you know, moped and fast fat girls. There are a lot of fun to your friends here.

I'm still having a moment, so I don't care. That's funny. That's okay. The joke I cracked before went live, but I think he, you know, we'll just leave back. I don't know what you're saying, but with the night sights on the inside, I'm just using the night sights with a little bit of ambient light. Yeah. Very like, are you shooting with nothing? I'm like, I just have the night sight. That was not really shot because I wasn't, I was just trying to

stay in rhythm, but the flash, I went out to let my eyes read you. And then, and then shoot. Then I tried it under the under the neck, because that vision on a left eye. So I've got them that I've got the pistol in front of me, and they're there. I did it. I did that. It's with it. But with that super imposed on the left side, like my

I'd like to know where I'm sitting. Like that would have been interesting. So I'm going to work with each other. Well, I think there's so many misconceptions about night sights on fire. Oh, I was just going to go there. I was just going to go there. That's what it is. Everyone go, I got night sights. I'd go start now. No, you can't. No, you can't. No, you can't. You have to be able to see the target. Yeah, I was going to say every attorney under the sun is going to eat you alive. If you don't have some sort of light on there,

It's like our friends are like, our friends are like shooting put it best because you're like, obviously, I am a proponent of night sites. If you're running iron sites on the hand. Yeah. Yeah. So night sites exist and they have a very specific purpose. Night sites are for transitional spaces where it's the alleyway when you walk. No, it's, it's, it's getting the gun out, acquiring the gun. And then it's when you have, when you have an odd lighting condition, you can still pick that up when you're focused on the target.

Whereas parking garage like we're right now where we were at tonight. It's yeah, you could focus on the target But it's the difference What's I'm gonna say so when I have that my I'm 17. Oh with the night side. Yeah, I was able to see like this I went got my shield because that's my carrier right now and with no night sites I didn't even want to like back to my point shooting point. Yeah You're coming after me to steal my wall or something in an alley

I could blow out because I just have to eat. And I'm probably going to live the problem. But if you're trying to shoot anything where you have to take the time to aim, those night sights are completely as complete in our world. No. And it really is. I know that when we did do that, we were going through and then I actually ran a white light beside

Yeah, when I shoot my shield, yeah. And just that, that's another topic for another day with the concept of weapon mounted light versus a handheld light, because you can't put light. You know what my favorite thing was with the non-stay? So I run the dope point, the dope point for Owen on my guns nowadays, personal choice. Big part of it is because of a stigmatism, you know?

The coolest thing with nods, once I figured out, oh, yeah, by the way, you've got to dim your dot down to the main vision mode, which mine has. For the first time ever, I actually got to see a red dot as a crystal clear dot because it's passive, you know? I mean, your nods are taking the image, projecting it back into your own eyes without a stigmatism affecting it. I'm just saying, I'm geeking out. That was one of my favorite things. If you don't have a stigmatism, you don't understand the struggle we go through when you're shooting at it.

Starburst, grapefruit, all that. Oh, Jesus, it varies by God. It's never the same. Well, exactly. Like, it's like, you really know it's my argument. I invest in a trip to God forever because great name, great reliability. It's more of a starburst. I went to the Liverpool Delta point. It's less. You go to nuts. It's even less. So I guess I'm no one I should just ask for darkness. My room, my room, it looks like a club from a

like a deck of cards up the suit, it's got like that. The dot I had in Georgia on my rifle, it was, I had to use the white spot in the middle, as my aiming point, because it was the craziest one I've ever seen. Yeah, it's hard to explain it. I'm starting to wipe off your driving pole. And I'm like, does that light look like when you look at it? Is it a perfect circle? She's like, yeah. And I'm like, not me. It's like 400 stars. She's like, what?

And I'm like, yeah, I didn't know that was wrong. I started going, I don't know. That's like practicing the real thing, right? Yeah. Well, it's the same thing where it's like, you don't understand that everybody doesn't see this giant bullshit and tail lights. You don't have it as the image is. I can't be you. Hey, and I already know all the common feed those that also love the red dots. You'd be like, well, you're supposed to not, or you're not supposed to look for that anyways. It's supposed to pass through the data target. My vision gets what? Well, you're looking for that.

Yeah, night vision, night vision to someone. I think it is when he's flying all over the place. He's hard to look at the guy here at the target is. Yeah. There's so much else going on. No, and night vision shooting is its own own animal. I know that. Well, tonight was one of the first times you shot with knots. Yeah, we've done it a few times. But yeah, this with your setup. Like I said, the binos thing too. I mean, yes, it's double the money. It's kind of worth it.

I would tell him you, a good friend of mine is a law enforcement officer across the state. He's always ran a monocular. It's one of the top of the line, very high quality, but that depth perception thing just throws me off. And when I went to Binos, same reason why in the precision world, in the precision shooting world, that's why I like to spot through Binos versus the big giant spotting scopes with one eye. I mean, Julie and I have done some of those long range classes. Give me an hour or two behind one lens.

So both guys work together instead of one. It's just a thing to consider. If you're going to invest in nods, I don't know. I think you've got to try it. I mean, if you're a person that loves the monocular and can do it and save the money, buy all of it. Well, that would get into use case scenarios as well. Because there is a point to running a monocular risk by those.

Well, that's what my buddy said, because he's ran with the PD SWAT team. And there's a reason why they run the monoculars. Yeah, so you have one light or one eye that's not working with the ambient light. And then you get into a hole, but been to name and concept and all that. And so there's a lot of odd things that happen there. And then maybe if you're a millionaire, you just get the quad set up, the panoramic setup, that an auto adjust. And you just don't have to give it to you.

If anybody wins the Mega Millions, we have a sponsor list of stuff we're going to need. Yeah. But it's your destiny. And you win. It's not going to be worth our only need, like 1% of it's life. Yeah, like, we're, trust me, our list is. And well, it'll be worth it. It's short but distinguished. Who might have a night shooting? It's expensive but necessary. There's only one hell of it.

the black one. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

Yeah, it's with rifles, passive, personal opinion, personal opinion, with pistols active. Well, you have to pistols for the sole part. Passive is looking through the object inside. Right. Right. Active is using the laser. Oh, right. Put that around. Yeah. So it's there. Now, when you think it up, stop helping the laser, Craig. Well, I'm good. Yeah, whatever.

And it is very much so different. I know that Garth gets a video of me running my night vision rifle and it's straight up like under the armpit. Well, and it put on use on the laser. It's very dirty hairy. You have dirty hairy hat, night vision and lasers. I mean, it looks like all the

So it is the week of Christmas, everyone knows. I watched one of the best Christmas movies of all time. I heard this on Christmas morning. And as I was watching this, I watched John McLean with his NP5. Just down at the hip. And then you went from the movie after that, too, with the M6C? No, no, I didn't die. But it is...

But it's not quite that bad. But using the laser and doing that where you have complete control of everything and have it in tight, but you're not shouldered looking through a site, does change a lot of how all that goes. And that comes down to what you're doing. And that's also why some of the higher risers

why you see special operations in like GBRS group that are like the 170 and 193 risers. So what do you feel more comfortable even with the activating? With it shouldered when you're still kind of looking like it feels more because that's why I shot them, especially on the fall in Georgia. I was behind the, you know, I'm a barricade. I had a kid. So I mean, it's the same concept if you go here, but I feel like I have a

depending if it's positional, depending. So I didn't have anything to brace on. So I brought it in for more to be more important. So I had like this, had everything in tight underneath my armpit. So I had that extra bit of sport and it acted like a fifth point of contact. Um, when I was doing fall there, I had to barricade, but I still shop with my head whale. And probably just from using the IR laser. Yeah. And it's,

I was doing that and I would run with the stock more at the center of my chest than in the pocket of my shoulder. I just felt more comfortable. I just felt familiar. It's eyes open and you're not looking at all this, but it just still feels like I'm still, my eyes are still in the same plane as the barrel. And I've never, I mean, I would have to try love. I can see where it's going to be, especially depending on size of target, you just got to get it there and filter.

But it's a way. And it's, again, what works for me doesn't work for Joe. It's not always the same. And I am a slightly larger than average sized human. So me folding up around her, I feel like that. And I'm like, OK, it doesn't. There's no recoil impulse for me to be worried about.

Oh, yeah. Sometimes, or here we go. It says, uh, so sometimes relaxed or relaxed in the shoulder, utilize your natural point of aim better. And that's one. Yeah. Yeah. For you, okay. Thumbs up on that natural point. We have American too. So if I'm standing, I could see where just being able to hold there, you can get that like you can see the laser and it's on the target. Yeah.

You don't have to worry about, it's not like you're on your site for a site picture and all that comes into play. It's just lasers on center maps culture. Hey Target, cool guy. But, so Garth, I don't know if we have been talking and we have a couple things to do tonight. We do. And you know, as much as I want to go, I mean, here's the thing, we get a pile of emails from all of our faithful listeners out there.

And we appreciate that greatly. But as we were going through the show today, I was thinking of the old brain here. And I thought, you know, what would be futter than giving them away on a live show? I think it would be fun if we gave them away on Instagram. So is it a buy-nose for the pastor? No. Sorry. Sorry. I got some red fields you can have. But so I thought, you know what, if they want to know who won or has won a few things that we're going to give away this evening,

They need to follow us on AR-15 podcast 2.0 on Instagram to see who is going to become the winners of tonight's giveaway because, well, we've got to go through a few emails yet. So it's the easiest thing to do. No, it's everything podcast. So go ahead and follow us on your Instagram, guys, and we'll be putting out a video later this evening to announce our two winners.

Excuse me, why? Here's the Google. Oh, we'll reach across the table here to show everyone what our profile is. Oh, sorry. Now we have solid quality data. Well, it's doing, doing, doing things. Well, it's because I'm working. No one else is talking. So if you'd like me to give you a post Christmas sermon,

So if you look here, you can see AR 15 podcast 2.0 on the screen. That is the account you need to follow. And go there, check it out. There will be a, it's like follow and share and comment on everything we post. I don't care if you're saying hi. Yes, there will be. No, you saw it. There will be something popping up there later later this evening, Chris. And don't worry.

Dr. Scary Jonathan, I will not knock you. Yes. But so we're going through that. Anybody else have anything about like some night shooting stuff? Was there stuff you noticed? Because like having done it a couple times, I firmly believe that whether it's with your defensive handgun, if it's the gun you defend your house with,

If you have a firearm for defense period, and it's something that you would bet your life on and carry it in a odd time, or you're like, expect to have it at any time, you can expect to maybe not use it in the best conditions. And I think you should, at a minimum once a year, because you should be training consistently,

You should shoot it at night. If you can do something in the most adverse conditions that you're put in, you'll have no problem doing it. You know, it's no different than I go back to wrestling. Our coaches would beat us until we couldn't do anything and dead make us work on technique. Because if you can do it when you're dead, when you're dead tired, when you're shot, you can do it when you're ready to go.

If you can shoot at night, if you can work your firearm in the dark with your eyes closed, is trying to manipulate, load a magazine, just typical manual arms on a firearm, when it's dark, or when you have a dog in front of you, and you're trying to look at something right here and that dog's focused around your yards away, it's a whole different thing. So if you can do it then, you can do it, you're easily gonna be able to do it.

If you have to choose behavior, I want to work something with 75 trees and nice and no wind or go all in the cold and the dark and work on something. Working on it when it's going to put you in. I guess I would say that every single piece that you add to your toolbox, whether it's a light, whether it's a red dot, whether it's a new gun, no matter what it is, it's all something that needs to be practiced. Nick, I'll send you by. I got a new battle belt.

a couple months ago, and I realized that I didn't have room for the dump pouch, so you gave me a link for a different dump pouch to use. I never realized how much muscle memory I had, taking a mag out and throwing it at the dump pouch until you realize you don't have a dump pouch anymore. And tonight with knots, you were explaining to me how you have to focus them at a certain distance that you want. Well, okay, so when I bring my pistol up in front of the knots, all I see is this L-shaped blur.

I know it's in my hand. Fortunately, I have enough muscle memory of being able to load and unload, reload the gun and all that stuff. It wasn't a big deal, but every single time you change something and every single piece of gear you add to it, you absolutely need to go practice with it. Just because you had a weapon like your light and your gun say, oh, I can't wait. I'm glad I've got this light on. Someday, I haven't forgotten I need to use it. At least I can push the button and it comes out. Yeah, no, it's a whole different manual of arms, right?

And the reason that means is go buy a Streikman laser or something and go sit in your basement with the lights on. It's not everybody has a range, but then you're shooting the dark. We're going to go to the public range tonight because it's after dark. We're looking at the dark. It's nice. Nice range, but you've got to just do something and make sure you're doing your basement. Clear the weapon. Shoot. The dog. Shoot your clock.

Yeah, don't shoot your clock. Where is it? That's upstairs. No, that's a different one. But no, actually, that's what I was going to stress the most out of all. And to piggyback, I want Craig and Joe bolts that, I mean, once you change something, it's a whole new dynamic. And then when you add the cover of night, it intensifies everything, my title. Because the things you go out to the range and you practice until you have them down to repetition or muscle memory.

you turn the lights off and then all of a sudden it's a holding bug in you because even if you're doing muscle memory or repetition to miss George things. Shut the lights up and close your eyes and try to walk into the bathroom. If you think you know, so I mean, I actually really like Joe's idea of anything is going to basement and drive-fire practice stuff before you'd ever consider going to range because the last thing anyone wants to do is wind up and pull somewhere. There's no problem.

No, that's very much so true. And that's why we preach training so much is it's, you know, train, train, train. And having this gear, it doesn't buy you a better golf game. It doesn't, so I'm going to say things that lawyers are going to hate. It doesn't increase your lethality out of the gate because like when we were at school, we had guys from the office of lethality there talking to us about techniques and stuff like that.

And it's okay. So this is what we're doing. This is how we train and say make people more. But it's when you're looking at what we're talking about, it's you can buy all of the most. So here's a perfect example of this. If we hadn't gone head to head and just trusted with stuff you see on internet forums. Our last time we did a podcast about night shooting, we went out and shot a lot. And we had handled several.

and, you know, Surefire X300, right? $300 just to light everybody knows is the, it's like, oh man, that's the gold standard. This is the one that's $300. It's the best of the best. Yeah, because they got the military and law enforcement contract. Well, it's not even a LE contract, because it's a lot of LA that I know run the Streamlight TLR. So you run a TLR one. And when you go through the amount of

flood and brightness and throw that you get off the different lights. If you don't test them side by side, just go up what the internet tells you. It's, they might lead you astray because, well, you're, what you're talking about, we talk about it while we're standing there, that you can build the lights and each one would have served a perfect, practical purpose, depending on what you were doing. Yeah. That's the other problem. That's the other thing. It, it doesn't matter what you have.

Yes, there's some things that will slightly fit every, you know, recover the entire umbrella of stuff. Then there's certain things like this white is going to be great for clearing a room or close quarters type stuff. Whereas this other light, which is brighter and flood better, if I have a cop chasing somebody through a cornfield, that's what I'm going to want in front of me. Like it's

You have to look at what are you using, not just what are you buying, but what are you using? Yeah, and that comes down to some of it. You have to look at your use case scenario and kind of figure that out. But again, that's where training it and learning it and using it also comes down. Or having a bunch of friends that have too much money and they will each buy whatever the hell they want. Then we get to go test it all together. I won't say too much money. It's all one of those does. Yeah, it's an unhealthy.

It's like $3,800. We're not going to talk about trailers. No, you got it. You got it. I just don't like it. That's the other part is also if you

If you have gun friends, local view, ask what they have, get together and try each other's stuff out. Like, I get to meet a gun guy who you talk to and is like, hey, man, what do you think of that light? Oh, man, you know, it's this is crap. I wouldn't get it. Really? Yeah. Let me tell you what. Can I look at it? Yeah. You know, it's I have thrown guns and lights and optics at people who were thinking about buying them and like try it out and see what you think of.

And that's, I don't think that's just a thing indicative to us. And it's like, oh, try it out, man. If you find someone and you're asking them about guns or equipment and they don't want to talk to you about it, yeah, just walk away from us. 90% of us are more than we want to grow the lifestyle. And it's so much more fun when you have people shoot with them.

I can't read that from here. Oh, that's okay. He already says, here Julie goes again, trying to lure us all into a dark room. Well, dark might have had me. Between me and Garth, not sure he's probably spent more time in a dark room than due late. Uh, my money's still on you. Yeah. No, and flash banks. I mean, we got flash banks. I like the party, but are we talking about the Chinese main ones or the meth has ones down the street? Yes. From the other.

But no, it's, so when we get into this stuff, this is where shaking out the gear and one of the things that we try and bring to you guys. I know that this was kind of a disjointed conversation about looking at stuff. And I think most listeners do too, and I was trying to pay attention to the chat as well. So as these things go through, guys, if you want to hear more about any one of these specific topics, let us know.

because we can come back and delve into any one of the topics we touched on tonight in great detail fairly easily. Yeah, no. And I know that we have one guy there who says that he has, he doesn't have Instagram near refuses to. I know who that is. And if you want, you'll just have to wait until next week to find out if you want to ask the friends to check their Instagram.

and your friends don't have us on Instagram. Tell them to add us. If we post on Instagram, doesn't it give us a Facebook too? No, no. Okay. And he was a YouTube guy. Oh, okay. And post video to YouTube too. Yeah, we can do that. I mean, we could probably just put a short up on all the socials. That's fair enough. What? I'm just trying to grow the brand. That's our card.

I mean the ad is like the other way. Big money, big money, big money, all the way. So guys, we have anything else to add tonight before we start to close out or just go deeper down the rabbit hole. Well, we'll come as next as a Christmas Eve serving all over again. And I'll give it right now. It was the night before Christmas and you didn't have that.

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There we go. So for the Chinese leader, don't check out Patriot Patch, Patriot Patch that CEO. Please subscribe. They have the patch of mud pulp. It's fantastic. They showed us a preview for that one that's coming in January. Oh, you ought to get in on that. Oh, very sketchy. You say good night. Well, I think we'll start to say good night. We're going to start to log on and get down. Why the car is up again? Great.

Great, good, grand, wonderful. No yelling on the bus. All right, I'm great at getting final words here before we shut down today. I just always appreciate you guys and appreciate the audience. And what you guys do is always good. I'm always a big fan of alternative media forums and podcasts. That's how I usually prepare most of my servants each week, but not with us.

You guys have not entered into the sermon illustration world yet, but maybe I can introduce you. I've seen someone who has been based off the U.L.E. decision. There's centuries probably to that, so I just wish everyone a blessed Christmas and a Happy New Year. And yeah, keep your stick on the ice. I think I just quoted Red Dream, but I'm not sure if that gets you in trouble. No, that's fine. I told Red Dream all the time. We get too cold in the race here. There you go. Yes, if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.

Show you got anything to add? No. I'm so trying to decide if I'm going to trash a company on here or not? No. Because their customer service is really upsetting me over the last little. And the reason I didn't even bring my click list all the night. No. Yeah. Mm. Mm. Yeah. Because I want to see how it works. But I want to see.

way, how well it functions before, like, okay, they make a good product, the customer service might suck. I see where it helps. So with that, guys, everyone knows what I'm going to say. Garth, do you have anything to add? No, I'm done. And so it's not saying, but I'm going to say it anyway. Guys, remember, we live in one hell of a time to be alive. And

The world is a dangerous place. That's why we train. Go out, get training, get medical training. Train with the gear you have and look out to be, you know, the guy you need to be or the person you need to be, whatever it is. Cause I, I think we have, you know, like three female listeners and they're not all related to me. But those are, those are things I have heard that we do have, we do have some lady listeners, which is awesome.

a why. But as we go through here, guys, expect to self-rescue. No one is coming to save you. What's the government? Yeah. You're going to be your own first responders. You're the most terrifying phrase in English languages. I'm from the government. I'm here to help.

Thank you. That's very good. I can't bet the emergency man is here, guys. But also, guys, everyone out there, you stay safe and stay open.

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