706: Dogman Glitch

Markle? This was all circulating around the face that a giant had to kill but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long boning fingers reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude he slithered over to me.

out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing up the giants. For the giant move, he's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast and spears Dan blows him up like this. Somebody else shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face, they basically decapitate him. That person, that person, that person, when he's got about 15 yards away from me, I've raised that four days and I blow this head off.

I feel something pulling at my leg and I look over and there are two small gray entity pulling it and there literally I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reach my hand in this bush and I touch air, couldn't breathe and it couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster.

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Now, today we have Brandon coming on the show and he is the host of Tin Foil Tales podcast. He came down to the studio to tell me about his dog man encounter he had in Peru, Indiana. And we also get into the topic of flying humanoids because there are several sightings up there of flying humanoids, dog man sightings in Peru, Indiana and flying humanoid sightings in Peru, Indiana. So let's get to Brandon and these stories right now.

All right. Today we got Brandon from Tin Foil Tales. I like your hat, man. How are you doing? All right. How are you doing? I'm doing good. So thanks for coming down. Yeah, not a problem. So I'll be here. You brought your family down here for a fun family vacation weekend. Right. And now they're on their way back to Indiana and you're here. Yep. Well, I appreciate you being here. I was, I was telling you earlier, I was at a conference this past week, BlurryCon in Nashville and, uh,

It was two days and I was standing in the lobby running a booth. Well, Jack was pretty much running the booth. I was just talking and you don't realize how much like your voice takes a beating when you talk that much. I mean, it was probably like eight hours each day. And then when the room is loud, you get louder so that they can hear you. I destroyed my voice. And so like the last couple of days, I've been trying to rest it and it still sounds a little rough.

i felt i feel so conscious about so i had to get it out in the open to everybody i'm not sick just uh or tired i am tired but uh it's my voice is pretty shot right now so it just sounds messed up but uh Brandon you uh you wrote a book can you tell people about the book and uh the title of where they can get it

It's called Shadows of Cedarville and it's available on Amazon. It's basically a fictionalized story that I kind of wrote between what influenced me to write. It was like the experience that I had. And I'll be a hundred percent honest. The reason I wrote is because someone I read that kind of made me mad. Oh, really? I wrote down what happened to me and someone started critiquing my experience and said, I should have did said this. I should have said that. I was like, this is what happened.

They're like, this isn't a creepy pasta enough for me to make it more creepy. I was like, it's not like a book. And someone's like, well, maybe you should write a book. I was like, OK, so I kind of took like four days to write it. My wife says I'm a hyper fixator. I start something. I don't stop until I'm done. Wow. So I started it on like a Friday morning and then I finished it that Monday night.

Now, I don't even like talking about the book anymore, honestly, because I used these like Grammarly and Word and then I ran it through like one of those, I think it was the Google Gemini or whatever they have to format it because I don't know anything about formatting a book. So after I got it printed and it came back, they changed how things were written. Really? Yeah, it formatted it by adding some words. It says like certain words, like 40 times, I was like, I didn't use that like trepidation.

I didn't even know what that word meant. I don't even know what that means. So I don't even talk about the book anymore because now it's like, it's wrote by like, it changed about 5% of what the book was. 95% is what I wrote. And then when I started reading, I was like, I didn't use that word. Yeah. So live and learn, I guess. Yeah, definitely. I mean, you can always rewrite it or, you know, I'm sure you have the original manuscript, so. Yeah.

But yeah, yeah, that's a learning experience for sure. But you had sent me the book and we get different mail and stuff and we bring it here. And I think it was an envelope and I think it was sitting around for a while and I was finally going through all my mail.

And I pull out the book and it's Cedarville, right? That's what you call the town. And I see that and I'm thinking, okay, and I wasn't sure if it was fictionalized or what. And then I saw your address, the return address, which was Peru, Indiana. And I was like, huh, what are the odds? Because I'm looking at this book and I'm like,

Is this a true story and is it like is cedarville somewhere around indiana or what i was trying to figure this out and i text you and i asked you about the book he told me is fictionalizing all that and i asked you i think i said uh.

I asked you if you were from Peru, Indiana, and you said, yeah. And I asked you if the dogman encounter happened in Peru, Indiana. And you said, yeah. And I was like, oh, shoot. And so like anybody listening right now that isn't up to speed in Peru, Indiana has been a place of focus on the show a few times. Indiana has

Prue Indiana, we had basically there's been two episodes focused on Prue Indiana, and one of them was released in the beginning of October, and it's just a wild story, but it's a small portion.

of Peru, Indiana, where I was told by an individual that there was an over, there was issues happening in Peru in the supernatural realm. And if I remember correctly, it had to do with like werewolves over, like spilling over into the public, like the things that were going on in the shadows were now coming into the public light and had to get dealt with.

And then there was another guy, I had heard that story that I just talked to you about years ago. And that episode just dropped though. And then this other guy who I was up in Indiana, in Southern Indiana, hanging out with JR from episode 309, he was the 1% biker guy.

him and I were at his house, his wife was there, and he called his one co-worker or his former co-worker, and this guy comes up to this house in his mechanics uniform, like a greasy mechanic, and I don't mean that derogatory, I've worked in car garages, I know how it is, your clothes just get full of grease and filth, but he gets out of his truck,

And J.R. is like, hey, man, you need to tell him about what you experienced growing up in high school. And this guy just looked at J.R. and looked at me. He's like, all right. And we stood outside J.R.'s house for like two hours. And this guy tells me this experience that he had where in high school, he dated a girl that was a werewolf.

And it was crazy about the whole thing. There's a lot of crazy things about this story. And I forget when it aired, it aired a while, but maybe like last year in August, maybe. But I called it Devin in a teenage werewolf.

And I got so much heat for that episode. People were saying he's lying and, you know, I'm not familiar with Twilight, but they were saying that he, he, he basically took the story of Twilight and replaced vampires with werewolves. And so like, I've never read the books. I never saw them. I think they're movies, right? Or not to be sure or something. And so.

When that happened, what was crazy was when I sat down with him to talk to, or not sat down with him, when I met him the first time up in Indiana, he told me this story that I had him come down to the studio to share with everybody, but he told it very differently.

In Indiana, it was just dudes outside talking. There was something about coming into the studio in this environment that he told the story in a different tone. It was almost like he was reliving the experience through the eyes of a 16-year-old and telling it as if he was 16.

And, um, which I knew was kind of weird when, when I was here and he was telling the story, but like I had heard him tell it before and I was like, and, and there's a, there's a key part of the story that relates to you. Um, but he, uh, he, that, that whole thing happens and I called him up and I was like, Hey man, like everybody's telling me your line. And I said,

I'm good with it. If you lied to me, I'm not going to be mad at you, but I need to know so that I can just take the episode down. I'll replace the episode. It's not a big deal. Even though I really would have been pissed. I would have been mad. I wanted to give him an out. It was probably a 45-minute phone call.

And I just kept giving them an hour. I was like, listen, man, it's cool, dude. Just tell me you lied. It's all good. And he's just told me he's like, listen, I wish I could tell you online, but I'm not lying. He's even admitted. He's like, I can see how people draw the connection to the Twilight thing. He said, but I'm not lying. And he said, if you want, you can take the episode down, but I didn't drive four hours south to Lydia. And so you can do what you want, but I'm not going to tell you I lied to you. And I was like,

Well, if you're not going to tell me a lie to me, then I'm just going to take the beating. And that's what I did. That's what I did. It's still up. It's still up. I just met somebody recently. I forget who, but they're like, I'm listening to Devin and teenage werewolf right now. I was like, oh, man, that was a, that was a rough one. He's like, Oh, I love it. I'm like, well, found one person. But anyways, the reason why I

I put weight into his story is because he tells me this whole thing about werewolves in Indiana and how they're, they're warring with different lichen packs, plug my t-shirt right there, Jackie.

But they're, they're, they're, they're warring with these other packs of lichen in Kentucky and Tennessee. And he talked specifically to me about one night or one, one dealing with Peru, Indiana. And how his girlfriend had something going on in Peru, Indiana with her gang of lichen. And I would, when he said that,

I had already confirmed in my mind that this other story had been true and a piece of it circled around like in Peru, Indiana. And so those are two stories that I had, and Indiana is very strange. It has a lot of weird things happening all over the state. And then when you mailed me

The book with the return address Peru, Indiana, I was like, you got to be kidding me. And so I guess why I hit you up. And then you're like, yep, it all happened in Peru. And I was like, shoot, dude. So that's my long intro on how we got here. But I wanted to lay the groundwork for people. So are you you're still in Peru, Indiana? Yes.

Uh, so you born and raised born and raised. You ever going to leave? I've tried. It's the hole that keeps sucking you back in. Is that right? So how's that work? There is a, I used to be in a band. He's being a metal band. And I wrote a song called the curse of this town.

Anyone that tries to leave that town, I feel like always comes back. So I've moved outside of Peru, but I'm still within like 20 miles of the area. And for some reason, we keep going back. The area that I live in now I grew up in. My wife wanted to move away from the town we were living in. She wanted to move back up that way. She never lived up there. I was like, I don't want to go up there.

I did not want to move from where we were, but she wanted to move, but the kids in different schools. So the kids go to school that I went to school up. And for me, I just went along with it. So we're back in the same area and then literally all the weird stuff again. So like I said, when I was in a band, I've wrote some songs. I actually have a song called piece to break road, which is funny because it was influenced from my own.

experience so i didn't honestly think about the fact that a lot of the stuff that i do related back to my experience and subconsciously i think it's haunted me because i've always put it off but there's certain things that i've done in life and i've looked into things that i've done and things that i wrote about for music wise or anything like that it's all somehow connected back to that i don't know if it's there's some weird connection to it or if i'm just subconsciously

thinking about it without thinking about it. Yeah. So man, I can imagine that that is the case that, you know, we have these experiences and they shape us and mold us in their lives. And they contribute to how we develop as human beings. Now, you, your, your experience before, before we get jumping into the dog man experience,

Did you have other weird things happening to you before the dog man experience or was the dog man experience like a Genesis point for you? I thought it was, but now that I've been doing what I've been doing, I've thought about things and talked with other people. I feel like I've had other experiences from an early age, but I didn't even know their experiences. So I can talk about some of that later. So it kind of all correlates into it, but

And you have an interesting detail about Peru and Deanna being the circus capital of the world. Right. The Peru amateur circus is held there every summer. And ironically, someone also had a dog man experience. Well, they actually called it a werewolf during that in 1990 when that circus was going on, they were down on a river and a werewolf ran into their camp.

This was 17 years before I ever had my experience. And I recently just talked to someone two weeks ago, same exact area they had in the face of their own bicycles and a upright running dog, man, werewolf, whatever you want to call it, come walking out in their pathway where they're riding their dirt bike or their bicycles or whatever is kids. And they all got scared and pedal off home and they never really talked about it, I guess, because

It's weird though, because I did the same thing. Like when you see these things, it's like you instantly don't want to talk about it afterwards. So I don't know if that's like because people think you're crazy or whatever, but for some reason, it's just, it seems to be what goes on. Like when you see weird things, but far as like the clown thing, they call it clown town because the circus. So of all the places in the world, why is Peru, Indiana?

the circus capital of the world. They have the amateur circus. I don't know. I haven't done a whole lot of research into when it started, but they have the circus Hall of Fame out there too. And not too far from where the Hall of Fame is, is a lot of the areas where these people have been having these weird dog man sightings. So it's almost in the same general areas is all along the wall bash rivers.

So the wall bash rivers, the two sightings that that you just referenced, the one in the 80s, one in 90, right? 1990. How close and proximity were they? Do you do you know, like the from the description of where the person is describing from 1990? It's the same exact areas, the guy that I actually talked to in person two weeks ago.

So they're not the same person as far as I know, but this is a different people that told me about it. It was a campsite that's basically on the river and it's not right along the banks on the outskirts of town. I have a friend that actually lives right in that general area too, because he was actually there when I was talking and the guy was talking about it. So they kind of got creeped out a little bit that they live in the same area that this thing keeps showing up because his wife

She's weirded out when she goes to the bathroom upstairs because she always feels like there's something by their window on the roof. Really? No. So upstairs bathroom creeped out because she thinks there's something on the roof. She feels like there's something like right by the window of the bathroom. Interesting. Interesting. I had a lady years ago. I called the episode the roof walker.

And I feel like that was a dog man entity. I'm not sure if we actually had the bravery back then to call a dog man, because I remember when I first started the show, I kind of thought dog man was ridiculous. I was like Bigfoot's for sure dog man. I don't want to say I thought I was ridiculous, but I really thought I was like.

I don't know because I never had an opportunity to talk to people that had experiences with dog man because I came from this Bigfoot culture world and it wasn't until like in the episode 50 something or 40 something I had my first person who contacted me out there dog man encounter.

And the detail, it was like almost, it was like a week or two in between the two people, it was both women and the details that were so similar between the two ladies sharing their experiences with this dog man creature. If I remember correctly, it was just different parts of the country, but they were both little girls when it happened.

And the characteristics and the interaction was so similar that I started thinking, this is interesting. Maybe the whole idea of werewolves isn't so much just Hollywood but comes from some kind of reality. I didn't really have a,

a scoaper parameters to put it in, but that's I remember that's when I had my first opportunity to talk to somebody that had that, and like wanted to like give detail, you know, like this wasn't like, oh, I think I saw a canine face in the bushes. It could have been a dog, but I'm not sure, you know, it was like this was very intimate interactions. And so it's just,

This topic can be hard to swallow at times because like people, I think, have a framework when it comes to Bigfoot where if you're a naturalist, you can say, you know, we have gorillas. And if you're hunting a Bigfoot, it's probably some kind of primate that we just haven't been able to find. And one of the things that was thrown around years ago, I don't know if it is now, but it was just like the Silverback gorilla was only discovered 100 years ago. How is that possible? You know?

And so it's like that idea that it's like you trying to put this, this logical scientific argument behind it, but there's no, there's no foundation for something like that when it comes to dog man. It's just like, it's supernatural, you know? And so the guy, it was two men that had the experience, two different ones.

Yeah, they're two different men. Okay. So the first one from 1990, I haven't spoken to that guy directly. So it's, I heard it from someone else because this guy went on someone else's show and they're like, you need to listen to this guy's episode. So I went listen to it because they're like, it's in our town. So I don't know who that guy was.

But when I did this, I spoke at the, there's actually on the same road where I had my encounter. It's at the 4-H fairgrounds. I spoke out there for a pair of unity event about two weeks ago. And that's where I was asking anyone if you've had any experiences come up. And I had multiple people talk about stuff. Not all of them were in Peru. One was on the outskirts of town.

But I've had like four or five different people talk to me about weird upright walking canines. From the eighties and nineties and recently I had one from, I think this is the same year as either 2006 or 2007. But this was more towards about 30 miles away. But one ran across the road and jumped over a guardrail.

Yeah, I mean, I think that obviously I don't think that Peru, Indiana is the only place that these things exist, right? But I mean, we know about Michigan and we know about Tennessee and Kentucky. Obviously, Kentucky. I mean, we had a very famous episode.

dog versus dog man, episode 335 took place in the Daniel Boone National Forest. So they're all over the place. But I find it interesting that the Peru connection, you mentioned, I don't remember.

in the 80s or the 90s of experience, but the descriptor was werewolf, right? Yeah. But do you have any idea as to why they call it the werewolf? I mean, like, I don't think dog man was even a phrase. So it's probably just

the descriptor that they were most familiar with, right? That is the first thing I thought of, too. And I saw mine because I didn't know what a dog man was. So the first thing I thought was werewolves, because what else Hollywood has made it werewolves to be what you see. So the first thing I thought of was werewolves. Well, first thing I thought of was

What is it? Like when your mind rationalizes, like that's the only thing you could think of it would be like a werewolf because I didn't know what a dog man was. Yeah. And the average person in 1990, there was no internet at the time for them to look things up. So they're just going to hear about werewolves. Yeah. So yeah, I don't. When I think about the idea of somebody calling something a werewolf, my default image in my mind is a dog man wearing like torn pants.

That's what I think. But there was no details as to something wearing clothing or anything like that. No. Okay. So in this area, you had an experience not far from there, right? No, it's just a couple miles. And it was the fairgrounds area? Yeah, okay. So what happened to you? I used to work at a warehouse on Third Shift and I was their box truck driver.

And we got off work a little bit earlier, our boss said, if we get everything done, she will let us leave early as our Friday. So she said she'd write on our time cards that we worked the full ship. She basically just wanted to leave. So they're going to pay us for whatever. So we did everything we could, got everything done, got it unloaded. I drove the truck, I think that night unloaded the truck. We clocked out. Now it's February 9, 2007.

Why remember that date? Again, I don't know if it's because it's just burned in my brain, but like that's just I remember the date and it's cold out letting the vehicle warm up. I worked with a couple different guys. One of them had went straight and the other one apparently turned.

And I'm following down the road. I don't recall if I knew it was him or what, because he's about a thousand feet from me. I feel like I knew it was my coworker, but not a hundred percent certain. And as we're driving, I see his lights go off to the edge of the road and he swears back on the road.

And I'm like, what is this idiot doing? Back then we didn't have cell phones. He weren't like staring at that, like there was phone, but not like what we have the day. Yeah. And as he's driving, I'm getting closer to where he swerved and I see this thing in the road. And it is moving very strange. I thought it was a person at first because it's moving, but it looks very glitchy. Like the way it moved was like almost like a twitch, very like it took a step, kind of like a twitch looking.

And I thought it was a person wrapped in a very big black like coat or a blanket or something, because I couldn't see a person. So I have to slow down because they're in the middle of the road, just like taking big, ogary steps, but their body's like flailing. So it doesn't make any sort of sense. Something and like, was this a drunk person like stumbling down the road? So when I get up close to it, I have to have swore over a little bit too. And it keeps walking by.

As it walks by the driver's window, like where my mirror is, I'm pretty sure like bumps into the mirror. But I don't see what this thing is because it is solid black, but I don't see a head and I don't see any arms to it. It's almost like a walking torso looking thing. Like I could see the really big thick legs, but I couldn't see like clothing. I couldn't see fur. I couldn't see any like details to it.

So when it gets behind the vehicle, I have my brakes on some stop. I can see where the red is like, you stopped. I stopped because it wouldn't get out of the way. Wow. So it's walks past me. And you know how like your brakes will illuminate because you have it pressed down, so it makes it a little bit brighter. I can see where it takes a step. I see we're taking another step where I can see where the ground is between like its legs. At this point, I was like, this thing big because I'm trying to look at it and I can't see the top of it.

because I'm looking out my window and I don't see where help. Well, a vehicle like that, what is that? Five and a half feet roughly. I was driving like a Ford Explorer. So the way it was walking, the way it was leaning, it had to have been standing straight up at least six and a half, seven feet tall. That doesn't make any sort of sense to me. So my first instinct is go. So I drop on the gas.

Well, right up here before you get to the highway is the DOT parking lot. And I'd seen that the car just pulled in there, the one that's for him to miss it. And as I'm getting closer, I see it's my coworker. So I pulled in next to him and he cranks down his window and he's like, did you see that? I said, yeah, what was he? He's like, it didn't have a head. I'm like, all right, we need to go back.

Whoa. So I convinced him to turn around, we go back. And as we start to go back, I'm in front, he's behind me.

There's now what appears to be something laying in the road. And as we get up closer to it, I can see what looks like a dead dog. Like there's this big black dog laying across the middle of the road. And the way it's laying is like, here's your lane. It's this way. So there's no way for me to either side. That couldn't have been there when we just drove by. So I park.

Looking back at this, now I'm so stupid because I never should have went back and ever should have did what I did. We parked. I'm starting to get out and he cranks down. I was like, what are you doing? I was like, there's a dead dog in the road.

Why did I want to get out to a dead dog that wasn't there like literally a minute ago? It's like, I can't process the stupidity of what I did. So I started to get out and walk to it. And I'm just getting there. I can see it looks like it has big puffy fur, almost like a child dogs fur. And it's got a long bushy tail. It's just laying there. And then as I get closer, it's head comes up off the ground. So it's bodies this way. So it's legs and stuff for going the direction of the thing would have been walking.

It lifts its head up and looks back. And at this point, the eye shine is reflecting from the headlights because there's two sets of headlights on it. And it lets out a really low rumbly. You can almost feel it in your body type of a growl. And I'm like, Oh, he ain't dead. And I froze. And then I hear him cussing at me in the background to get back in the car, call me an idiot. And this thing starts to try and stand up, but it does almost like a weird, folly, stumbly type stance.

And then it stands directly up. And by that, I mean on both legs, like it's bottom feet. And when it stood up, it had like, you know, how an adult would stand up, it had the bends to its like front paws and everything. It didn't do that. It literally dropped almost like a human. It had shoulders and arms, but it didn't have hands. It had normal paws, everything about to look like a normal, large black wolf.

But I didn't have like the characteristics of the werewolf. Like so you didn't see like the raccoon fingers or anything like that. Everything looked normal. But it's staring at me and I'm six foot three. And we're about eye to eye. This thing's my height or taller than me. How far away is it from you? 15 feet.

And we're just looking at each other for just a few seconds. And then it crouches down, almost look like in that hunkered like a doll would try and take a crap type of weird position. And then it walked off on a time legs, but it kept its arms been up like it brought its front paws, arms or whatever up here and walked off sideways. Someone said, did it walk off like a crab? I was like, I mean, I mean, you could describe it that way. Because it walked off very unnaturally. It didn't look.

Someone said, do you think it may be trying to make itself smaller? I never took any stock that, but yeah, it made itself like as low to the ground as it could as the walk away. But if it can stand directly up like a person, I would have to walk like that. That doesn't make any sort of sense. So at this point, I go back to where my car is and my coworker got now. He's like, what was that? I was like, man, I don't even know.

And as we're talking about, uh, looking down on the ground in between us, this is the creepiest part of everything so far for me. There's a field mouse standing between us and it's standing on a time legs. What? It's a field mouse. It's all wet and it's doing this is wiping its face with its paws. It's all wet, wiping its ear, wiping its fur. I take my shoe and I nudge it. He doesn't even care.

He literally just keeps cleaning itself. I'm like, man, I'm done out going home. I still live in my parents at this point. So we go our own way. He takes the highway, he goes home, I go across the highway, I turn and go to my parents house. Now where this happens at is between the wall bash river and the hill river. The over river is just a mile to the north and the wall bash and maybe two to the south. So it's in between these two rivers.

But I go home and I sketched out this picture of the werewolf because that's why I was thinking because for anyone listening, I am a skeptic. So yeah, we forgot to mention that like you don't even believe yourself. Like for my own encounter, I've tried to write it off for so many years because

These things aren't real. There's no scientific possibility that something like this can exist. So it was just a normal dog. I don't know how to explain it other than it was just a normal dog. But I go home, I drew this werewolf, I get online, and I go to one of these websites, and I scan the photo, because it's back in the days you have to have a scanner. Scan it, put it online.

And someone commented on this like forum that I was on like, that's a Michigan dog man. I'm like, what is a Michigan dog man? So I started to look up Michigan dog man stuff and a lot of the photos were very reminiscent, except for the fact that this thing had a tail and it had normal paws and everything else about it. Most of the stuff that I saw for dogmen, they didn't have tails, which is

weird. And they had like humanoid features, like a lot of them didn't even have fur, which I think is where the werewolf thing comes from. This thing had full on puffy fur, like dog hair. Right. And someone said, I saw a black bear. We don't have black bear to my knowledge, really, in Indiana. We also don't have upright walking canines in Indiana, supposedly.

I know the difference between a bear and a dog at 15 feet away, right? With two sets of headlights shining on it. Yeah. And bears don't have big bushy tails. Like they may have a little nub, but it's not like, this is a big old fluffy. I have a German shepherd at home, like.

Very reminiscent to her is this thing, except it was solid black. They asked me what color the eyes are. I was like, I didn't see color. I just seen reflecting yellow because of the headlights. So I don't know, but I found all this information out about dog men. I went back to work a couple nights later. I tried to talk to the coworker that's seen it with me. But one of the other guys working there starts laughing is like, Oh, did you run over a werewolf?

while pisses the coworker off. And he's like, you need to knock it off. He's like, I don't want people to think I'm freaking crazy. Shut up about it. Just really. He's like, it was just a normal dog. Leave it alone. And he is the type of person that you don't want to make mad. Just so I was just, all right, man, you're right. It's normal dog. So for 15 years, it was a normal dog, except

the day that it happened, and this is the first time I've ever admitted to this. So you're getting an exclusive on this one. We need a sound effect for that. The weird thing about this, and I don't tell it very often, I've only told it like maybe one other person in general. When I went home, I still live with my parents, and this is kind of

a weird personal thing, but my grandfather's, I mean, he was still alive. He had prostate cancer. So my mom and dad went off to go because he had an appointment. So I didn't talk to him. I went home. I worked, I went right to bed. They went to my grandfather's doctor's appointment and my uncle was there. My uncle asked my mother how I've been doing. She's like, oh, fine. I guess. She's like, he's like, yeah, I had a weird dream last night. He's like Brandon ran over a weird wolf.

I've asked my uncle about that a couple of years ago. He doesn't remember saying that. My mom told me that. She doesn't remember telling me that now either. So I don't bring it up very often because the people that said it don't remember because there's no big deal with them. Yeah, but it's stuck with me. Well, yeah, I can imagine why. Well, like, I hadn't talked to them. So she come home and said that to me.

I was like, is my uncle a werewolf? Oh, shoot. Yeah. And it's like a weird thing to just randomly bring up of all the weird dreams to have. Why would that be something you would dream? Yeah. But again, like I said, I talked to her, I've talked to him, you know, one of them remember even mentioning it because again, that was almost 20 years ago. Yeah. So I don't ever really tell anyone about that aspect to it because I can't

Prove it one way or the other. Yeah, so it's just like one of those things I don't mention, but it's always creep me out just because They come home I kind of was like saying what happened and my mom's like what's weird and your uncle Said something about he had a dream that you had to hit a werewolf

But they all laughed about it. Everyone's always laughed at me over this because that's ridiculous. So there's a background that I didn't mention. I come from a very christian family like very they're Pentecostal. This stuff is not real. There is no such thing as ghosts or is no such thing as bigfoot. There is no such thing as this stuff like this is all my upbringing is.

All of this stuff is not real. So that's why I've always been skeptical because that is just how I've always been raises. All this type of stuff isn't real. So for me, it's like, okay, it's not real, but what did I see? Yeah. Like, okay, I saw a normal dog, but literally stood up my height. Yeah. So.

That's wild. I mean, I was raised Pentecostal and I go to Pentecost at church now and my pastor has no problem with this. One of the pastors we had, so dinosaurs weren't real. They said that those are all forms of the devil. All the bones and everything are fake because those things never existed. I think he was more in the creationist side of stuff.

But it doesn't negate what people are experiencing. That's the thing. Even when you read the Old Testament, there's a lot of weird creatures in that Testament that you're supposed to say exists because you believe the Bible. Some of that stuff doesn't compute with me at all. So you have this experience and the night that you're out there, you're standing 10 or 15 feet away from this thing as it stands up.

Now, I know you're a skeptic to a lot of things, right? What's your hindsight perspective of this whole situation as a skeptic? Are you still having a hard time framing it? Are you willing to admit that you had this experience? I had the experience, but it's hard to admit that it was anything other than a normal animal because you have to get into the weirdness of the supernatural type aspect to it because

What was the first thing in the road? That was a lot bigger than what the dog was and it didn't have a head and it didn't have an arms and it didn't have any definitive features. And then you come back and now we look at the dog thing. Well, a dog shouldn't stand up like that. And why did it walk offs in a weird, crouchy position? And then this random mouse.

So as the skeptic, I say it was a normal dog that was trying to eat the mouse. The mouse is traumatized. That's why he was all wet. So his wife didn't care that I touched him. And someone hit the dog with a car or something that then it broke its front leg. So now he mysteriously learned how to walk on its hind legs. And the reason he walked off all goofy looking is because he doesn't want to walk on his hind legs.

You really believe that? No. But that is what I tell myself. Because that is the only way that it makes logical sense. That doesn't make logical sense. None of that makes logical sense. This is a big dog like that size. Like, why is it even like going after a field mouse? And why did the field mouse even survive? If it was wet enough to be wiping off its slobber, but it didn't get eaten. And it's what laying on the ground. Like, I'm sorry, I'm not trying to tear you apart.

I think your description or you're trying to rationalize this is I think it's more unbelievable. Yeah.

especially since you had this experience with a co-worker. It's a shame that he said that to you and that he took that position. It doesn't surprise me, but it's a shame because it's a rare situation that two people could have an experience together like that and walk away and tell the tale together.

Yeah. You know, and, and unfortunately that's not a situation here. And I'm assuming you don't even talk to the guy anymore. I've actually tried to find him recently. Yeah. And I've been debating on trying to reach out to him. So I looked on Facebook and he's got like 12 different profiles. He's always in and out of trouble. Yeah. I know. Even his opinion is not going to be very credible just because of the type of person that he's been. I got you. So for me, it's like,

I don't know what to do. Yeah. No, I have. There's one other guy in mind right now that I know has so many Facebook profiles and he fits that bill too. Like the last time I talked to me, he's like, Hey, I'm sorry. I've been I've been MIA. I was in federal prison. I'm just like, okay, dude, I get it. I get it. But.

So you had this experience and it has different stages to it, which is interesting as well. And the first stage you're coming up on it, he swerves around it, you swerve or you actually stop and like, so you passed it, right? And then stopped because breaklights were on it. I stopped directly when it was right beside me. So I'm trying to drive or side. Yeah, I'm trying to go around it. I'm trying not to drive off the edge of the road. And I basically stopped. So I'm trying to say, what is this? Because for me, I thought it was a person.

But when it got right up on my window and I'm looking at it, cause I'm going to like yell at this person. It's not a person. Like no one would be that big unless they're like seven foot tall, but even then I didn't see a head or anything. So did any, at any point during this evening of this interaction, was there like striking fear into you? Because I mean, you got out your freaking car later to look, that's what I've always thought was strange about it because never once was I afraid I was confused.

Like, even when the thing stood up at me and growled, maybe I was afraid because I stopped, but it wasn't like, run away freight is like, Oh, crap, this thing's not dead. And that's, and I'm just watching it. I'm hearing him yell at me to run back to the vehicle. And I can't move in the sense that I'm like, what is this doing? Like it's trying to stand up. I'm still thinking it's a hurt dog. Like I don't have a very big dog.

Like I said, looking at it now, almost 20 years later, I'm an idiot. I never should have gone now, but I didn't know anything about stuff like this, just a normal animal to me. Yeah. I wasn't thinking it was like anything like that. So, uh, Wes from Sasquatch Chronicles, when he talks about his Bigfoot encounter. So first of all, I think the lines blur a lot between topics.

I'm very woo-woo, you know, so like I look at this stuff and like I have Very extreme thoughts on this stuff But Wes has His encounter I think is in 2012. I think it was a long time ago like 12 years ago ish And they have this radical experience

on the mountain at night where there's several of these things that come in. And if I remember correctly, it was like a three hour ordeal. It took a long time. In this interaction that they had, they saw

several different Bigfoot, one doing what we call the spider crawl. He said it would stand there and then drop down real fast. And on its toes and fingers, and it literally walked across the road like that, which is very weird. But

He said there was also one up in the tree and it was hanging onto the tree and looking down on them in their car. He said it was glitchy. Having these real fast movements, he said, kind of like what a crackhead would be doing. He said it was just very

He said it was very glitchy and the movements were real jerky. And then you said something similar. Yeah. When you saw this thing initially, that's when you saw the jerkiness of it, right? Yeah. Could you maybe try to describe that a little bit more? Was it like the whole body or was it its limbs that were jerking?

It didn't have limbs, it's like two legs, but the way its body leaned forward, if you've seen those car dealerships where the wind blows these wacky, inflatable things, it would take a step and its body would go. And then another step, like very shaky, almost like twitchy, weird, I guess, crack. Very strange, very unnatural. It didn't look like anything normal.

So like, but it was leaning forward. So when it would take a step, his body was like leaning almost, I've said this before, like, you know, how someone like a walker. Yeah. So their body would be like leaning forward. Yeah. That's how it was like taking a step, but they're just big massive leg. And then like his body would twitch and then another step and then it'd be twitching. So every time I take a step, its body would be like flapping. Interesting. So I don't really know what that could have been. Like again,

I didn't even think about this until recently, but then this actually ties back into some other random sightings that have happened here recently. Like the description of what people said Mothman used to look like, you could, like you never seen a head to it sometimes. Like you'd see like wings. So someone asked me before that they'd have like wings wrapped around it. And I said, I don't know. I didn't seem like I just seemed solid black figure.

But within the last couple of months, there's been a lot of weird flying humanoids in the area. This whole area is old Miami Indian area. The tribe is still there. I've actually reached out to the tribe because I was told that they had wolf people back in the old days. Like before white settlers came in to go like these to have tribes of wolf people.

So I reached out to the son of the chief and I actually went to school with him. So like, hey man, we don't ever talk, but I got a question for him. It might seem crazy, but you guys ever have stories about wolf people?

He read it and never was playing back. He's like, I ain't talking as crazy, dude. So, but I'm trying to go right to the source. Yeah. And I know how some tribes can be about some of their old legends and lore anyways. They don't want to talk about it. So I'm still trying to dig into that avenue of it, but there's been other people that have all had similar experiences from that area. So.

There's got to be something to it because I'm not the only one. And you'd mentioned West, which is weird synchronicity. I never even talked about it until I actually heard like the show that I do only do it because of what happened.

I needed an outlet to talk about something. So during 2020, I'm trying to find something to keep me occupied because I wasn't doing music anymore. So I decided I want to talk about some weird stuff because I was had a friend that talked about weird things.

What's the show is one of the first shows i ever came across i'm not a podcaster had nothing to do with podcast the first episode that i turned on his show was the one he did with the judge who had. A dog man encounter from this chasing that was the first one as his new steps as i started the first news one. I'm having them on in december.

And like that connected to me. I was like, people talk about this. I'm not the only one. And then I found your show, because he'd mentioned your show and your show and my show. I don't want to say like, I emulate you, but I talk about all the stuff kind of like, well, you talk about everything's open for conversation. And for me, it's like, I feel better about it. Before I even did the show, I was talking to, I said on that idea for two years.

And then I'm at work. And the stuff I was doing for the winter, I work in construction, they had me helping out a survey department. So I'm working with a guy I've never worked before. He used to live in Alaska. And we're sitting in the truck because it's winter time and we're eating lunch. And I was like, Oh, so you're in Alaska? He said, yeah, I was like, Oh, do you ever seen a Bigfoot? And he just made like a, like, so without a yes. He said, you don't believe any of that type of stuff do you? I'm like, I'm gonna tell you a story.

about what happened to me. And then we set an awkward silence for the rest of the lunch. He never spoke to me. Really? Yeah. I thought for sure. He'd be like, okay, now he's telling my story. No, we just, we never talked about it. He never acknowledged what I said. I was like, in the greatest guy, I was going to go back to work Tom on crazy because I'd seen werewolves or something. I'd rather be called crazy than living a personal hell of silence. Right. That's, that's just, it's, um,

It ain't fun, you know, like I remember when I was still driving truck before podcasts or anything like that. I had the Facebook group Pennsylvania Sasquatch research.

And I just would post in there and, you know, that's where I, that was my outlet. And I would drive around all day thinking about these topics and fascinated by them. Cause I was already passed a point of, do I believe this? I was like, no, I definitely think that people are experiencing this stuff. And, um,

But I was too scared to talk about it openly with people. And it wasn't until a coworker somehow. I don't know how, because he wasn't part of my private Facebook group. Somehow he said he saw me post something online about Bigfoot. And I get out of the truck one night, he's like, dude, do you believe in Bigfoot? And I was like, where'd you hear that?

And he's like, I saw you post something on Facebook and I was like, Jay, please promise me you won't tell anybody because I was terrified. And he goes, well, I can't promise that before, you know, the whole terrible knows I'm in the Bigfoot and stuff. And I was like, I'm so thankful that happened because I don't know if I ever would have been gotten to this point, you know, and it's like, I remember thinking back to those days, it was,

It was terrible, man. Like it was terrible to not really have that outlet. Like my wife, she was like my wife, you know, and she was into it in the sense that like she's willing to let me listen or listen to me throw a theory out, you know, I didn't really have anybody to talk to. And it wasn't until that happened that I really became vocal. I was like, well, if the cat's out of the bag, I'm just going to go in.

And the world's going to think I'm crazy. And the more I found out, I was like, I'd rather than think I'm crazy than be quiet anymore about this, you know? And so, um, your coworker, quieting you down in that moment. Um, it was like, that was an attempt to lock you up, man. And you didn't even stay silent, which is good. It's really good. Um, your experience and how you describe it with the glitchy stuff.

Um, have you thought about more of a woo angle to this?

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I put on my tin foil hat now. Let's go. Okay. You got your hat already on. Yeah. Well, it's not lined with tin foil yet. I just got them last week. So I haven't done the modifications. The new additions that I haven't come in yet. So I think what happened, the first thing, I think everything was the same thing. And this sounds out there. I agree with you already.

The first thing came into our reality. It's glitching in there, trying to take shape. The first thing to take shape of is the wolf. And I wasn't afraid of it. So it tried to make itself smaller. And then it turned itself into this weird standing wet mouse who I also touched and wasn't afraid.

It sounds ridiculous, but so does my explanation of rationalizing. It sounds ridiculous. I think whatever this thing was was not from here. I think it was bleeding into our reality. So it's either from a different dimension. It's from a different frequency. It's from something else, but it came into our realm and we just happened to see it.

If I could talk to the guy about it today, you get him to see that side of it. He's probably going to punch me in the nose just because that's his go to that we've seen that happen before work. Really? I'll tell you that offer. So, but no, there's like, there's so much weirdness to the whole thing. And then again, just sitting on it for 17 years and I didn't talk about it like the very first day that it happened.

I was in a band. So my friend, I actually just talked to him recently. He actually came up when I was speaking about it a couple of weeks ago. I pointed him out to the crowd. I was like, he was one of the first people I told about it because I seen him later that day. He's like, oh, when you've seen the dog thing, I was like, yeah, I was one of the first people.

So like, I've told people about it after it happened, but no one ever really went along with me on it. They just be like, Oh, okay. And they're like, they don't believe me. Yeah. Like you tell people you see this stuff and they're just like, Oh, that's crazy. Yeah. So I just, I told my family, I don't think my wife believed me. I don't think I've told my kids about it, which is funny because we still live in the same area.

And I make this joke often. So my kids were like, what happens if we see dogmas? Like I'm running him over. I'm not swerving this time. I'm going to trump the gas proof. Yes. Is the one where the other, I'm getting proof. Now a couple of weeks ago, we were driving down the road and Dogman has moved up in the world. There's a big brand new fancy house that's just got built in that area.

but they had Halloween decorations out and it's up in the air and it looks like eyeballs. So I'm with my kid and they're like, his eyes is like, come on. I'm ready for it. That's been 17 years going down this road. Like I go down that road all the time. I've never seen anything again. So you can go right back to the same spot. I live three miles. Have you ever like?

nostalgia, maybe nostalgia is not the right word, but have you ever gone back there and just sat and just kind of like thought about what you saw that night in daylight? I believe it. That's what I would, I'd probably make it like every year on February now. I subconsciously got a job of that DOT work really. So that's where you work now? I used to. Wow. Okay, got you. So it was one of those things where, you know, it affected you on that level where it was like pulling you and drawing you.

When you were describing it all to me, it kind of goes along with the theory that I have where it's like these things popping into this reality and taking shape or learning how to take their shape. I imagine the properties are different. And so when they're here in this physical realm,

Maybe, I mean, it's all crazy. So it doesn't matter. But like, maybe they need to learn how to actually take that shape and the longer they're here, the more they're able to do it.

You know, it's just a theory, but we have, I've talked about this plenty of times before, but we have that video in Florida of the guy who accidentally filmed it while he was on Facebook Live. And it was very translucent. It wasn't a very physical, it was physical, but it wasn't totally physical. And so like, what do you make of that? You know, like it's metaphysical.

And if it's metaphysical, then at least isn't here all the time. Maybe it is from here and it goes somewhere else. I don't know. Maybe it's from here and it stays here, but it's metaphysical. But it's definitely metaphysical, according to that video.

And so when I take that video and I align it with other people's experiences, like yours, the way you were describing it, it sounded like it was like shape shifting into form and trying to figure this whole process out. And it's like, look, my mouse. Now, granted, your thought on the whole mouse thing is not what my mind was going to.

I didn't, I didn't even consider shift, shape shifting into the mouse. Uh, and if that was the case, was it pursuing you? Because if it's shaped and shifted in a mouse, what else do the shape shift to what? Yeah. Or getting definitely, but before that we get there, it walked away and now it's back.

We never saw where it went when it walked off to the edge of the road. It disappeared. I know that sounds crazy. Yeah. Literally we didn't see where it went. This whole area is a deer preserve at one point. The fences are still up. There's an eight foot fence that used to wrap around two square miles. I didn't see where it went. Like it's not even a ditch. Like it's just like the edge of the road and there's this fence.

It went off to the edge of the road and then just out of the headlights and I couldn't see it anymore. So I don't know if it went over the fence, under the fence or if it just laid down or if it just vanished. Where'd the mouse come from? Yeah. Like it came out of nowhere. Yeah. Because we're standing there having a conversation and literally we were closer than we are right now. And right in the middles of the mouse on standing up on its hind legs. Everything that we saw was on two legs.

So for me, it's like, I can't rationalize or explain that. Like what is the significance of two legs? But it also has that number two again that I've been told to be worried about.

Yeah. Be careful with what people tell you to learn about. You know, like, I get people tell me all the time stuff, you know, I'm supposed to tell you this. It's like this. Yeah. That's what happened. And I take everything with a grain of salt. And the lady's like, you don't believe me, do you? I was like,

It's not even by their belief, it's just it is what it is. They're an individual, you're an individual, but you as an individual gets a lot of people coming to you as individuals telling you certain things. And if you believed everybody, I guarantee you a lot of those messages would be in conflict with one another. And so you just gotta kind of take it as it is what it is kind of thing. It's not a matter of

I don't believe you. I don't pick who to believe. It's weird. But have you ever thought about

Have you ever thought about the idea that maybe it was you that changed more than anything, that you and him experienced some kind of shifting of paradigm or realm shifting? In that moment, people talk about these different creatures and different stuff like that, and we often think that they are here evading our space.

Um, but like I'm missing 411, uh, Pilates talks about how, um, if, if you're, I think it, I think he was referencing the metal sounds, but he did, he was referencing how it, I forget what it was. Dang it. Something is, something's going on, especially if you're with somebody, the best thing you can do is to sit down back to back and wait it out.

because it will shift back. And so we often think about these things coming and invading our space, our reality, but is it possible that it could have been this point where you experienced a shift of what I call the bridge between two different realms and these things are, they're not fixed. I wish they were fixed, it'd be a lot easier.

But I think that these soft spots in our reality, they move. They're not consistently one spot. I mean, I'm sure some are, but that's the way that that's how my brain rationalizes to explain how it happens and that it doesn't happen for other people.

But we we have a we had the one episode where is episode 512 desert portal death coal. And this guy James went through a very traumatic experience where is like he went through this shift. And when I released that episode I had a guy on.

I didn't have the guy on I wish i had him on he emailed me and email me links to. Like news broadcast talking about him as a missing man from a member correctly his his mom had passed I think and he went go hiking and Joshua tree.

And he, he, he disappeared. And I think it's like for four days, they were out looking for him and they searched everywhere. They couldn't find him. And then he reappeared right where they already searched and they asked and they said, what, where were you? And he's like, I was here, but it wasn't totally here.

And while he was in this other place that was here but not here, there's people or entities in black cloaks coming up and talking to him and speaking in language he didn't quite understand. And so like I say that because that's a case where there's at least news coverage that this guy was missing and his explanation and story.

of what happened to him was an accidental shift where he recognized where he was, but there were things off about it. Like, I don't know entities in black cloaks talking to him and the language doesn't understand. Like, and he was there for four days or maybe at least for our four days. I don't know what the time was there, but it's just like,

I take all these different stories and these things that I hear and it's like one of those things where you have the blueprints and it's the layers and so you pull a layer back and you see different details. And so with your story and stuff, it's a long way to get back to just

Have you ever considered that? Like have you ever considered that? Maybe you and him were the ones that kind of went through some kind of weird shift that night and it wasn't as much as this thing invading our space. I've thought of the idea because something felt weird about it, obviously the old things weird, but like just the area itself. I don't remember right by the major highway, just not even a half mile down the road. I don't remember seeing or hearing vehicles.

We didn't encounter anyone else on the road, which again, it's 4.30 in the morning, but it is February, but the air felt weird. You could feel your breath. I don't know how to describe it. Like if you ever ate a mint, it's so cold, like, and you just like, that's what it felt like when I was outside the vehicle. Like, and there's a very weird, calm, eerie silence. I remember that specifically because I thought that the very day it was happening, like,

When I got out of the car and I was talking with him before I even noticed the mouse, the air itself was just very crisp. I'm a lot of other way to describe it. Like I just felt like

It just didn't feel normal. Cause I just was out and getting in the vehicle and the air in that little area felt a little different. So is that possible? Maybe. I've also been told that we were abducted by aliens. And that was the memories that were planted in my brain. I was like, well, why would they give me something that bizarre? Why when I just kept driving home? Yeah. So I don't, but I mean,

I don't want to say that's not possible, but you have two people who were intimately interacting with each other during this experience together. And you guys were in your cars traveling back and forth with this. You both experienced it, seeing it one didn't want to talk about, obviously, but.

when it comes to screen memories. From what I understand and what I've heard, and I'm not an expert at any of this. I'm just a guy who talks to people.

A lot of times I've heard people talk about when they go through an experience with another person, they see different things. I think it was, I'm drawing a blank on his name now. The owl guy, I had an episode with him, Michael, I can't remember. Yeah, Kleiland, yeah, Mike Kleiland. And he talked about that, like how,

You know, people have experiences and one will see a great alien standing there. And the other person is like, no, he was a five foot owl, you know, and they see different things. It's unfortunate that you could never really compare notes with him a whole lot because of how he reacted.

But it's definitely, I wouldn't say, an impossibility. But yeah, man, you're saying the environment seems to be a little different though. Like the air was crispy and the no traffic. I mean, I've heard that too before as well with this kind of stuff. In fact, I just did an episode. I just looked it up. It was episode 695. It was with the members. His name was Wes.

I know the title was kind of ridiculous in the sense that I called it kangaroo dogman and the realm shifts, but it wasn't a kangaroo dogman. It was just the way he described this dogman experience. He said I had a kangaroo like features. He wasn't saying it was a kangaroo dogman. That was me, poorly titling an episode that I can't take back now.

Um, but, uh, anyways, uh, he, this all kind of kicks off for him because he was driving one night and he noticed, uh, like this light around his vehicle and, uh, it was like almost like the light was following him. And one thing he noticed is that where he was driving, uh, there was tons of traffic normally, like it's a heavily populated area. There was on a car in sight. There was not one car in sight and then something radically happened to him in the car.

And then as he got through that experience driving to, I believe his mom's house, he had more experiences with like these lights and the direction of these lights. I forget how it all played out, swine being vague. I'm not trying to make people buy the member episode, I just, I don't remember the details, but,

I remember theorizing with him and thinking out loud about the idea that could this be? Was that him exiting this bridge? This experience happened on a bridge for him, but one of the details that he offered up as a very weird thing was there was no traffic.

And so what you're saying is where you were at, normally you would hear the traffic heavily. Yeah, you can see it. It's for anyone familiar with the area, it's US 31, which is a straight shot from Indianapolis all the way up. It goes all the way down. So that's the main north and south road, unless you're around like 65, but that's directly in the center of the state. So it goes from Indianapolis all the way to South Bend, and it goes all the way up to Michigan.

So that is the main northern center road that everyone would go down highway. And there's, again, I still live a couple miles from that road. You can hear it from my house, because I live actually by the US 24 and US 31, which is the big intersection, which is a big truck stop. So you can hear all the traffic. And I don't remember hearing any of that because of the DOT parking lot is right at the edge of the highway.

you know, even at nighttime, you still see a random vehicle on the highway. And I don't remember that. Like again, I wasn't even really thinking about it, but I just don't recall hearing anything. Yeah. So I mean, it could be also a situation where you're having a paradigm-shifting moment. And so everything else gets blocked out. It's like, it's like your wife could be there like screaming for help. And you're just like, not hearing a word.

Um, but it's, it's, it's a wild, it's a wild experience, man. It really is like to be able to have that whole interaction so close, uh, in a very non-violent way, you know, like every time I think of a close encounter, like it's the episode that I had referenced earlier from Kentucky. I mean, he was running from this thing in the woods. Like it was chasing him is pursuing him, but it seems like this one was very,

self-centered. It was worried about what it was trying to accomplish, and you were just there observing, which is interesting. I wonder if it's because I didn't show it fear. I don't know. I'm not an expert on anything. But from what I've listened to, for whatever people have talked about, they think some of these things feed on fear.

Maybe because I didn't show it fear. It was trying to make itself into something. Well, he's not afraid of the wolf. Maybe he's going to be afraid of a mouse. And instead of being afraid of the mouse, I kind of push it off with my foot. That's just my brain thinking. Like I don't, I don't know because if it wanted to get me, it literally could have just

jumping got me. Yeah, or glitched and got in right. It could have just showed up representing me. But no, like, I don't understand like what it would have wanted. Like, if it wanted to get a growl, so I was my first instinct to don't go closer. Yeah. And then it stood up. Why did it stand up? I think it stood up just to be like, look what I can do. Don't come any closer. That was the impression that I got.

But why was it not trying to move out of the way of the road? Like two different vehicles were coming head on at it. And it was oblivious that we were like, I didn't try and walk out of the way or anything like we had to move to miss it. Like it doesn't care. So I've often thought maybe it's because it wasn't really what happens in our realm doesn't matter to it because it wasn't in our dimension or whatever you want to call it. So like it bumped into my mirror.

Maybe it didn't even realize I was there. Like it, but again, it didn't even have a hit at that point. So weird. That's so weird. Yeah. When you, when it stood up though, could you hear anything like cracking or popping? Not that I remember everything was just dead quite except for my coworker screaming at me to get back in the vehicle and call me an effing idiot.

Look, he didn't feed you to the dog man right there. All right. Well, uh, that's your, your, your experience. There was the eighties one, the one that happened in 90. Have you, have you uncovered any other stories? I have. What, what are they? A lady had told me the, I don't remember. This was just a couple of weeks ago. They were driving down 31, which is what I was just talking about. And they were outside of Kokomo, which is a town about 20 miles south.

And this was, I think she said it was been in the eighties. And I don't remember if it was her boyfriend or who it was, but it was a guy driving and I think his father was with him and they saw a white wolf on two legs running along the edge of the road and then it guarded across the road on a time legs. I specifically remember the white because that kind of stands out and

Someone else had told me that back in the 1980s, they were walking through the Mississauga Reservoir. This is the area just outside of Peru, where a lot of the Miami Indians reservations and stuff were like their lands or whatever. They turned it into a state park and they built this dam. And there was an old town of Somerset that used to be there and they had to relocate the town of Somerset.

But the old towns underwater, well, this whole area used to be where the supposed wolf people lived. At least that's what the legends were from the, or the supposed legends. I haven't been able to confirm that, but it was all in the sacred area. And I was told that supposedly where they put the dam, there was also some natural, like,

energy springs or something that they built the dam on again, I can't confirm any of this stuff is just stuff that people tell me. So I don't know 100% fact for that. But this same areas now where the flying humanoids have also been being seen recently. And it's all seems to be somewhere around this outskirts of Peru, not too far from the Wabash River out by the Miss Sunwell Reservoir. And someone was hiking back there and they were being stalked by a couple of large black wolf canines.

And I don't remember if they were on two legs or just on all fours, but they don't have walls in the area. So they were on the hiking trail out there and they could hear things in the woods. They could hear tree snapping and hear different things. It almost sounds Sasquatchy, Timmy, but they saw it. They said they were black silhouettes of look like werewolves. So they got afraid and they went back to their vehicles and

But I was talking to someone else who's done a lot of research in the area. He said, there's been stories of werewolves for years in this area, old depictions of werewolves, old stories of werewolves. Someone had told me this whole area used to be stories of the Rugaroo. I'm saying that correctly, Billy. The French used to be up in that area and they had stories of that in the area. So there seems to be a lot of history when it comes to upright walking canines. I don't try and say dog man.

When someone says he had a dog man experience, I was like, well, I saw an upright walk in Canine. I was like, I don't necessarily know if it was a dog man because what is a dog man? It's just a cultural day. So I'm like, I'm just going to tell you what I saw.

Yeah, upright walking canine is a long way to say dog man. It was a man dog thing. I know there's some people who, when it comes to the titling, they get upset when you talk about dog man and you call it a werewolf because it's two different things. It's like, according to your definition, it's two different things.

You know, like we could be talking about the very same thing and you're just, you don't want to admit that certain attributes of a dog man is werewolf-like or vice versa, you know? But yeah, I've heard the war stories. The white wolf I found interesting because I believe, I was trying to look for it. I can't find it right now, but I'm pretty sure the Greek goddess, Hekate,

appears in the form of a white wolf. He says, Hecate was the goddess of magic witchcraft, the night, moon, ghost, and necromancy. Just judging by what I loosely know about the area, that's a pretty good descriptor. I wonder,

I wonder if we're talking about a very ancient thing that's going on up there. One of the things I literally just thought about me might be able to find it.

And it sounds very, uh, it referencing, but they claim these things come in cycles of the year and that ends in a seven. Someone had posted that before I read it somewhere before it. I don't remember what, but like when it comes to these sort of experiences, it says it always happens with a year with seven with werewolves with that and dog men sightings and other thing. They said typically in the years they have seven in them. Mine was in a seven.

I don't I think the other person I talked to said there was an 80 87. This doesn't like the mid to late 80s.

Now that obviously the ones in 1990 weren't in a seven, so we can't take a whole lot of stock into that. But I mean, just a quick search. Very loose connection. I don't have anything on the seven yet, but the first thing I pulled up here was cycle of the werewolf, which is a book written by Stephen King, who Stephen King is

I say this as a fact. I could be wrong, but I don't believe I'm wrong. I think Stephen King is very aware of the interdimensional aspects of our creation and the fact that people are accessing other realms. And I think he has himself. And I think that's where he gets a lot of his ideas for these books. So the cycle of the werewolf, I just find interesting. But yeah, that's that's interesting. I'm not a numerologist, you know, there's a lot of people who dive into numbers and stuff. I really

I just heard this past weekend, so you hear people talk about 11, 11, 11, like 1, 1, 1, 1, or 2, 2, 2, 4, 4, 4. I heard that, and then 4, 4, 4 is a frequency, which I believe is a, I can't remember what Dr. Laura Sanger talked about with the frequency 4, 4, 4, 4, but I think it was something to do with worship.

But I also just found out from an exorcist that He's a Catholic exorcist that 4 4 4 is also when you see 4 4 4 you you should like like pray because it's assigned to show you that your guardian angel is with you and I can't remember his name he was on a

with Sean Ryan, he did an interview with Michael Knowles years ago. Ray Heale, Ray Heale. Reverend R, I think it's R-A or R-E-H-I-L. That's why I can't pronounce this one. But I tried getting him on the show and maybe one day that will happen. But yeah, so when he said that, I found that very interesting. But I don't really know much about numbers.

No, I don't pay attention to any of that stuff. But where we talked about earlier, that lady said two and seven. Yeah, I just was thinking about the said seven. Yeah. I was like, how does Randall person pop off these random numbers? It does seem a little significant. I start to think about it. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

So tell me about the wing flying humanoid. Is this like a one off thing or is this happening? This, again, I wasn't told directly from the source. This was being told to me at one of the local meetings that I was out trying to find information. So this was secondhand knowledge.

But this guy told me that two separate ladies, this past winter, had two different sightings of flying humanoids. And to me, it sounds very moth-manish because the first lady said there was this thing walking in the road. It looked like a person in a large coat. Well, that starts registering with me because like, well, that's what I thought was in the road. She said it was moving very weird.

And then when they got closer, it opened up its coat and it wasn't it was wings. And it shot straight up in the air and went right over the vehicle, but it wasn't flapping its wings. It like wouldn't just up and then going. Now another lady so said that she saw one on the edge of the road along some trees. And when they got close with the headlights to it, it just started going straight up like it was levitating up over the trees and then took off.

It was, it was levitating up as in it. The wings were out and levitating up where the wings were. They didn't specify. They just said it, it started going straight up in the air and then went off. But both of them never, they just went straight in the air, like straight up levitated, opened its wings and just went up in the air. I think that's what some of the people to describe Mothman stuff as too. Like you never seen it using its wings. It would always just kind of go up.

It's interesting because I never considered Mothman a whole lot to begin with about anything. It was never really something that I spent time thinking on until I had a bow from Bump podcast on and he was talking about Mothman possibly. I want to stress possibly because he said possibly.

being an archetype for Lilith. And if you take it into that direction, it can get bonkers. Now, the flying humanoid aspect of this is interesting. The first one you mentioned, how did it go? She thought that it had a coat on, as well as a person like a large trench coat.

And then the trench coat opened up. The trench coat opened up and those wings. It's funny because the day that I was told this house, Peru has a local UFO meeting group. They just started and I found out about it. And I was like, I'm the town weirdo at this point. So Liza or UFO meeting and I'm not even involved in it. So I messaged them. I went to the one meeting they had and they asked me if I wanted to speak at the next one. Yes, I do. And then I wanted

Not so much for the UFO aspect, but I'm trying to, that's where I started asking about dog stuff. This was back in March. And that's when that one guy told me that they were being stalked on the reservoir back in the eighties. And then he also told me about recently some ladies had these flying humanoid experiences. So I went out that I called my buddy.

I was like, hey, man, I'm going out to the damn tonight. Do you want to ride with me and my boy? We're going to use him as live bait. I'm going to put him out there. He's like, see if flying humanoids come out there. Well, this is what's strange. On the way out there, I'm telling my buddy about it. And he's like, oh, yeah, he's like, this is the road where her friend Mitch saw that gargoyle. I was like, oh, I was like, I don't know who Mitch is. I don't say he's my friend. I was like, but I want to be his friend now. I was like, I want to know who this guy is.

Well, supposedly this whoever Mitch is, I've still got to ever talk to him. Him and his wife were driving down the road that we were going down, which is on the way to the dam. They saw somebody eating roadkill on the side of the road. And then when they drove by it, it lifted its head up and it opened up wings and then flew up straight in the air. I hadn't even told him all those details yet about how these people say this thing just straight up levitated. He told me that.

And I've known this guy for almost 30 years. He's never told a lie that I'm aware of. So I don't know who Mitch is. He may have told him perhaps story, but my buddy 100% is not a liar. So I believe that that guy told him, but that's still a random thing to tell somebody. So he called it a gargoyle that was on the side of the road, opened up his wings and flew off. Right. He was eating roadkill. And then when their headlights hit it, yeah, I just had this thought in my head.

I feel like I remember JR. I mentioned him earlier. I feel like I remember JR telling me that somebody told him up in Indiana when he's in Southern Indiana. I don't think it was him though. But up in Indiana, somebody saw, I think they called it a vampire going through trash, eating the trash. And when the lights hit it, it shot straight up in the air.

That's interesting because if you, like vampire gargoyle, it might have similar characteristics. And this is what you're saying is Indiana as well, right? I was just spread out some of the wall bathroom or roll these other sightings were happening. Interesting. So the winged humanoid is something that has popped up on the radar a little bit this year for me. You're not the only one.

I talked to a guy named Devin, and I think he's in Washington State now, but this happened in Kansas, Kansas City, or outside of Kansas City. Long story short, it was a very, very good interview. It was episode 679. He was an orphan, or not an orphan, but the state was in charge of him, you know, foster care.

Yeah, but he was, he was in a government facility at this time with a bunch of other kids and, and they didn't like it. And so this girl that he liked and this other dude and his girlfriend, they were all in the same building. Uh, they decided to run away and, uh, they were on, they were out there running away and, uh, to the other two, the guy and girlfriend, uh, they got too much from them. They, they, they went back.

Him and his girl, they were out there for a couple of days. I think he said they slept in like a barn at one point or something. They were sleeping in like mulch or hay or something. I think it was mulch to stay warm, I think, because he said he was really wet. But anyways, they went to her house, her parents' house, and her parents

talked them into getting in the car, they would take them somewhere, they were taking them back to the facility. And so he told him to stop, he got out of the car and he was on his own now. And he found himself walking through the woods at night trying to find somewhere to sleep. And he came across this open field. And as he just staring, he said it was a beautiful night, full moon. And as he was staring across this field in the middle of the night, moon shining down on it, he sees this man walk out from the tree line on the other side, wearing a trench coat.

And he thought it was one of the workers, because he wasn't too far away from where he was supposed to be. He thought it was one of the workers that came looking for him and found him. So he ducked down. And this man is standing there kind of scanning and looking around.

And if I remember correctly, he said the man kind of squat, it squatted down and these wings popped out and it jumped in the air and it flew off and it flew right over him. He got a real good look at it. And then there's the Hollywood aspect of this. So just, I think it was last year, I think it was last year, maybe two years ago. Or do you have Netflix? Yeah.

Have you ever seen, it was a limited series. I wish they did more than one season. I was called Midnight Mass. I know it is, but we've never watched it. Dude. Such a good watch. But the villain, the character, I need a wider table. But the villain character in that is a priest who is some kind of demonic entity and shows himself like that as well.

And then the movie Watchers, the Watchers that just came out in June this year, heavy, heavy on this aspect. And in the last scene, one of the characters that you didn't think anything of initially turned into this winged thing. And what's interesting about it, and I hate to do spoilers, but people, listen, I don't care. It is what it is. Like, it's my show, don't listen.

I'm just kidding. Listen, this character at the end of the movie, when the reveal happens,

The way it moved was very glitchy. Very, very glitchy. My friend just watched that. He told me he's watching a movie that I should watch. He said, it's about stuff you talk about. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, I don't ever watch stuff anymore. My TV is literally cartoons 99% of the time.

Yeah. Well, I think you should make time to watch the watchers. It's an M. Night Shyamalan movie, but it's not him. It's his daughter. She directed it, which means that I actually like the ending because all his movies, they grab me and then they let me down every time, every time. I'm just like, oh.

But you should definitely watch it for sure. I think everybody should watch it. But yeah, I think there's something to this stuff, man. We see these whatever they are, dog men, werewolf things, these winged humanoid things popping up in people's experiences in Hollywood. And I don't think it's all fiction.

How do you handle that stuff though? Are you like grasping at straws at this point to remain to call yourself a skeptic without lying? Because I feel like you're almost like the verge of if I call myself a skeptic one more time, I'm calling, I'm basically a liar because I'm not a skeptic anymore.

I'm pretty much a full on believer. I try and remain skeptical as much as I can, but there's no way that I can say 100% certain that I don't believe in a lot of this stuff because seeing is believing for me. Yeah. So I believe a lot of this stuff. I'm very open minded than when I used to be.

But I think a lot of it has to do with the fact of how I was brought up and just this stuff wasn't real. So for me, experience and all that stuff originally wasn't real. You'd mentioned earlier if I had previous experiences. So we'll go on a history trip here. Yeah.

I think it was like eight. My cousins and I were out back. We have this little ditch line. We called it the Gully. And there was a little mound out there. Could have been an animal or whatever. For some reason, we're like eight, nine, 10 years old kids. We thought it was funny that the rocks at this thing, well, something came out of it mad. And I don't remember exactly what it was. I just remember everyone started screaming and we took off running. My cousins were convinced it was a goblin.

I remember something about maybe this big and all the stuff does have significance. So it's just not random stuff, but like later on since I've started doing my show and since I've started like actually listening to other people's experiences, like for me, it's starting to make me remember things that I just wrote off as childhood stuff. This thing they said was a goblin. My dad actually went out with a 22 and went down to the air and he just like popped off a shot and said, nothing down there.

Well, okay, whatever. Next door to where my parents' houses was my grandparents' house. And I used to go over there all the time. So I'm still about maybe eight or nine years old. And that little ditch my dad put in like a bridge. He built a little bridge across the little creek. I'm running back home from my grandparents' house to go home. I get right on that bridge. And again, child's imagination, again, me trying to rationalize things. But I felt something grab my leg.

And it trip me on that bridge and I land it right on the bridge on my stomach, knock the wind out of myself. And I hear laughter right in the edge of the trees. I hear really creepy laughter, like someone's laughing. So I'm thinking there's someone like trying to scare me. I take off running home, I'm screaming and crying, telling my mom and

I was convinced that was the Gully monster. That was what I determined it was. Like there was a monster down there. It was the same thing we threw rocks at. And they're like, Oh, it was a troll under the bridge. Again, again, getting your kid a little getting poked fun at. And I was terrified to go out in the dark after that for a long time, because for me, even when I go to my grandpa, I'd always run. I've never slowed down. I would not walk around. I'd just ran.

And I honestly wouldn't even go on that bridge. I would go over through the creek. I'd go through the water instead of getting on that bridge because I didn't want the shoulder grab Megan. Looking at it now, like I'm 40 years old. I'm like, Oh, but at the time that made sense to me, even though I was told that stuff is real. Well, then a few years later, and I don't remember where I heard this at, but I never heard this before.

I was at home sleeping. I still live in my parents. I think this was in 2004. I'd woken up from my sleep because my throat is very, very dry feeling like I can't breathe and I opened my eyes. I see a cowboy over top of me, or at least that's what I thought it was with a cowboy. I just see a shadow with a hat and it looks like a cowboy hat and I cannot move my body's frozen. And I can't breathe and I feel like I'm being strangled.

I'd be able to kick free. I get, I'm going to drink my mouth and throw it as like hurting. I told my parents about it. I told my girlfriend at the time or whatever, they all laugh like, I'm having a dream about a cowboy. Literally, I think it was like two or three years ago, I heard someone say a hat man and I've heard that term before. I was like, hat man. So I was like, well, that I had on. I couldn't move. That's like sleep paralysis. And apparently those two things kind of correlate together.

I was like, so was I having a hat man experience? I've never seen it again. This was 20 years ago. But I feel like I, but I do get sleep paralysis a lot. And I never knew what sleep paralysis was until I started doing this show and listen to your show and other people shows. Like I never heard that term before, but I'll wake up in the middle of the night and I feel like I can't move. And I just think I'm still asleep. It's always always real. I'm like, I'm awake, but I'm not awake. Yeah. So for me, it's just like how I write it off, but

And then you go until three years later, when I had the dog experience. So from an early age, I felt like something grabbed my leg. And then what is that? Like 10 years later, something choking me.

So was I having all these experiences? Was it just dreams? Was it just imagination? I don't know. But then this area, I said where the hype thing comes into play, there is a lot of local legends, not just from the natives, but like just in general, that area of little people. And some of our own puck wedges. Faith folk too. There's a lot of story about fairy stuff. So this whole area has all these old doors around there. I've seen stuff.

in the house that can also be traced back to face stuff. There's a lot of weird stuff that goes on there. I'm not a firm believer in that, but at the same time, I'm more open to it at this point because a lot of the things that other people have talked about are things that we've experienced. So is this whole general area?

not just like Wolf, like where Wolf Dogman related. Is there a whole lot more weird stuff in this general area? That's where I'm starting to get to is because there's so many different experiences. It proves a small town. It's less than 10,000 people. Why is it clown town? Why is it circus capital of the world? Why have all places in America or the whole world in this little podunk town? The place that they want to have all this stuff.

It's very strange to me. I don't know why the amateur circus is there. They do it every year. Kids want, my daughter actually might want to be joining it. So it's just weird to me though that there's, I think there's actually a store called clown town cycle. There's something like, or used to be like they did motorcycle. So clown town is not the only time it's been referred to. Like other people call it clown town. And you mentioned Stephen King, it, shape of the clown. Yeah.

What sort of significance are these clowns? You interviewed someone while he stops about clowns. Yeah.

I never took a lot of stock into it until recently since I started digging more into the local lore of this town. And there's just a lot of weird stuff about Peru. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny you say that because I literally put up his book, the Nephilim looks like clowns, Paul Stobbs. We interviewed him, I don't know, a few months back.

and, uh, I'm gonna have him back on. Uh, we were supposed to already do it, but I had a cancel. So we'll get it scheduled again, but, um,

It's an interesting spin on to the whole area if you want to go that direction. This idea that it's a circus capital of the world. What are the circuses known for clowns? What does Paul talk about? How the depiction of clowns are what Nephilim looked like because Nephilim looked like clowns.

Could it be? Could there be a connector? Could there be a nefarious connector? I don't know. But could Peru in the surrounding area be a hub for this kind of stuff? Right.

Oh my gosh, there's you go back to the it thing with the clowns. The circus amateur, it's all children. They don't have adults. Like once they get to a certain age, they don't let them be in the circus anymore. Like some of the clowns are older, but all the amateur circus stuff is kids. It's like, well, what did it feed on in his story? The fear of children.

what is some of these things supposedly feed on fear of children? When you brought up the Stephen King thing, I've literally kind of wondered that myself. Like, where is this guy getting all this information at? Cause a lot of it, he's been writing, says what this early 70s. Yeah. A lot of this stuff, you can correlate it with things today. So, but now the whole clown aspect and the circus aspect, my daughter wants to join. So now I'm kind of like, do I let her?

We don't want dog men or winged humanoids flying around the house. They might already be. Yeah, maybe. Brandon, man, this is good, man. I appreciate you coming down and hanging out with me, sharing this stuff.

I know you got a drive to Indiana. You got your wife probably has, what, two, three hours on you now. Couple hours. Couple hours on you. But I appreciate you sharing for sure. Tell people where they can find your podcast. If you are interested in my podcast, it was called 10 Foil Tales.

You can find it pretty much anywhere where you listen to the confessionals. So Apple Spotify, any of the podcatchers, there is a YouTube, but it's just audio. I don't do video because a lot of the people I talk to don't want to be on camera, which I get it. We were actually at a convention last week and I was speaking there about some of the weird paranormal stuff that goes on in the house. And there were some people talking to my wife and she's like, Oh, he's got a studio out front. He asked people, I was like, I don't want random people know where I live.

Cause I do it in my house. I was like, we're not doing interviews with people that I don't know in the house. Yeah. But basically for the podcast, like I interviewed people about all sorts of topics. So there's a lot of cryptid stuff. There's a lot of paranormal stuff, alien abduction, conspiracies where the old 10 foil thing comes into play. I think a lot of that ties together though. So I've had a lot of secret space program stuff, which I was hesitant about for a while, but.

There's all sorts of different topics and I still feel like everything is connected. One way or the other, all the weird stuff that goes on in the world, I feel like one way or the other is also now connected, intertwined, whatever you want to call it. I think it all is connected to each other. So when people talk about paranormal stuff,

Usually, I figured out if people have a cryptid experience, they've also had a UFO experience. And if people have a paranormal experience, there might have been a time they saw something weird on the side of the road they didn't ever think about.

When I start asking people questions, I start pulling out more things, but that's with my show. I don't really ask a whole lot on the show. I let them talk more so they don't. I'm not trying to prove or disprove anybody. So for me, I just, I let them take over. I let them talk and then just kind of go about it the other way. But for me, it's like,

I'm doing it for my own, I guess, selfish reasons. I'm trying to find answers for what happened to me. Like, that was the whole reason I started because I've been searching for answers. I couldn't talk about stuff for so long. And for some reason, I felt like I needed an outlet to it. I'd mentioned before about a band and I subconsciously was naming things like there was a song called skinwalker. And there was a song called the curse of this town.

Why was I doing stuff like this? Why was I writing stuff about stuff like this when it wasn't anything that I've ever really looked into? So it's like something's been drawing me to it. And I can't really explain why. So when I started the show, the first thing we talked about was weather control, which

Ironically, lately is a big topic recently. The very next person I talked to was someone I had a dog man experience in Georgia. And then it was a big foot. And then like it just goes from there. And I hate all my old stuff. Like we all do.

interviewing people talking to people so unnatural for me at the time. So like the old stuff just kind of like, I hate it. Doesn't sound good, but you learn and adapt.

Yeah, I mean, podcasting is, you know, you got to figure it out. And it's like, uh, it's like early, your early music, you know, it's just some of the stuff you listen to, like, all that. That wasn't as good as I thought it'd be, or, you know, like styles of music, you know, like you have nostalgic, uh, thoughts and, and remembrance of music that you listen to from your childhood. And you're like, Oh, I mean, you guys don't really listen to me. Like,

Oh, it's good, you know, or even TV shows or whatever. So it's just the same thing with the podcasting thing. Like you're doing, you're putting your best foot forward in the early days. And if you continue to do that, you'll get better. And then when you listen back, you're like, Oh, that wasn't that great. It's because it wasn't now it's gotten better, which is good. So anyways, man, I appreciate you being in here.

I appreciate you having me. You were one of the first, you and West for the first two podcasts that I ever really listened to. Yeah. So you're basically why I do what I do. Awesome. So it's an honor to be here. It's like full circle for me. Full circle. Perfect. Let's wrap it.

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