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Hello. Hello. Welcome back to the show. I'm so happy that you're here. This is such a fascinating episode. It's a bonus episode and I'm so happy to bring you guys a couple of bonuses this month, but also to round out the year with this really interesting and fun bonus episode. So today we're talking about
Hydrogen, but not just hydrogen, because if you hear that, you're like, okay, are we in a chemistry lesson? No, it is not just about hydrogen. We're talking about this amazing therapy that molecular hydrogen is. We talk about all the amazing things that it can be used for, for inflammation, to longevity, anti-aging, healing the body, so many things.
We have the inventor of the technology, Alex Tarnava, on the show. And I just want to give a little extra shout out to him because he was so patient with me as we had to reschedule this a few times during my pregnancy after. And it was so fun to finally get to sit down with him and have this conversation. So he explained to me how he's the inventor of this molecular hydrogen tablet technology.
And he licenses it to a bunch of different companies. And today we're talking about the brand drink HRW. You can use the code balanced at checkout for 15% off of your first purchase with drink HRW. And they have a bunch of amazing products, many of which I have tried because I was lucky enough for them to send me a bunch of products like rejuvenation, harmony, which is for immune and metabolic guard.
They have something called ageless defense which is obviously for longevity and anti-aging they have a radiant lemon like powder type of situation that's really good for your skin and beauty from within you could call it and there is just so much you've got to check it out and
If you're into the backstory of inventions and science and all of this amazing stuff, then you're going to love this episode. And I am thinking of a couple of my friends who are just going to go crazy for this episode because they love this kind of stuff.
Honestly, I do too. So the deeper the better at the end, I obviously had to ask him for his zodiac sign. So you can think about it while you're listening to him and make a guess of what you think he might be. And with that, let's just get into this episode. Remember that you can use the code balanced at drinkhrw.com for a discount. And you can also find that link in the show notes. Enjoy and happy holidays.
Alex, I'm so happy to have you here. You are the inventor of this hydrogen technology, the tablets, which I cannot wait to get into. And we were just talking about this before recording because I was asking you, what are all of these different names for all these different companies? I'm confused. And you told me you're the inventor of the technology, meaning all of these different companies use your technology, which is so cool. So
where I would love to begin is, can you just tell us a little bit about your childhood? Were you always interested in this kind of stuff? Or like, where did you grow up? And what did you want to be when you grew up? I grew up in Southern Alberta and Canada. And I'd say I was always very curious, but my curiosity would go where the wind blew. You know, like I'd be very curious for something for a few months and then I'd move on back and forth.
I thought I wanted to be a lawyer, but then I wanted to spend some time watching court and decided I didn't want to be a lawyer. And my adult life, I meandered, I started multiple businesses, pursued my intellectual interests just as a hobby, you know, reading hours a day.
ended up inventing another technology or innovating on it rather in my mid to late 20s. And then a health scare drove me to be more interested in health. And that's when I discovered molecular hydrogen and hydrogen water.
So what was the other technology that you invented? So a partner and I we'd innovated is a better word. Innovated platinum fuel cell technology. It's like roadside breathalyzer. So we figured out how to make them just plug in and plug out so they don't need recalibration because we figured out that the cost to recalibrate was actually substantially more than the cost to actually make the fuel cell.
Okay, so is your interest in like science and like creating things? Is that where the interest stems from? It's tough to say. Again, my interests have gone in so many directions. I'd say throughout most of my life, my primary interest has been philosophy and critical and analytical thinking, but everyone has a mortgage to pay. So.
different things that have sparked my interest as a career. And then when I discovered hydrogen, it basically fills all of the boxes. It's a good career, provides good living, helps people, and also provides me an intellectual challenge that I could continue advancing my technology, working with universities and researchers around the world and keep my mind busy.
I'd say this is the first thing that has kept me engaged for more than like a year at most. Oh, wow. Okay. So tell us about the health scare that you experienced that brought you to hydrogen. Yeah. So about 10 years ago, so I was 29 at the time. I was in the best shape of my life. I was training four to six hours a day as if I was a pro athlete, but I was just doing it as a hobby between various martial arts,
Crossfit and tiking and all sorts of things. And I got really sick and was a mystery virus is what they believe that caused an autoimmune like response. So overnight, when I see reactive proteins, which is a marker of inflammation, was about 100 times abnormal. There were 34 milligrams a liter, but it was crazy high.
I had sudden onset narcolepsy so if i sat down for more than a minute at a time and wasn't engaged i'd fall asleep i was sleeping 16 to 18 hours a day i had central nervous system fatigue so what this meant is i couldn't do any explosive type of movements so at the time i was competing in crossfit and it went from.
I had a 54 inch plyometric box jump, and then I couldn't jump an inch off the ground. Or I was able to do like string together 20 bar muscle ups unbroken. And then I couldn't do a single chest bar. So my strength wasn't affected, but I had no reactivity at all.
And this lasted about two months. And when the dust settled and my inflammation dropped by about 10 times, so still probably 10 times abnormal, I was left with pain in all my joints. So after getting x-rays, it was determined I developed osteoarthritis, 11 different joints simultaneously from the
high inflammation that was going on. At that time, I was 1,000 milligrams of naproxen a day. So think of that like super leave, like maybe five times a dose of what you usually take with the leave. And I was getting cortisone injections into various joints. But I knew that wasn't a forever solution at 29 years old. I couldn't just take these drugs, these inflammatory suppressors for the rest of my life. All the time I'd spent
training and working out, I just dove into PubMed. And I started reading about anything that could regulate the inflammatory response. Started tons of biohags, sort of, you know, cryotherapy, I'm going to sauna is also various supplements, various devices. And I read about hydrogen and hydrogen water.
And it was very nascent at the time. It was a very new area of science. There was maybe only about 30 clinical trials and a few hundred publications. But I found this machine that purported to make hydrogen water and I bought it for like $5,000 and just went on my merry way. About nine months after that,
I fainted in the gym a few times in like a one, two week span. So I guess I developed multiple ulcers and I wasn't getting my nutrition, my nutrients from my food. So I do a broccoli stop, all of the drugs in a box and I hadn't had a cortisone injection for a while. And all my joints seized up completely. I couldn't put on a shirt, couldn't put on socks, outlying down. So
This made me realize that none of the biohacks were working. It was only the drugs that had been working. And desperate, I went back to PubMed, just sort of reading more and more. I happened upon some new articles on molecular hydrogen and hydrogen water. And at first, it really frustrated me because I had this machine that wasn't working. But it dawned on me.
How do I know that this machine is making hydrogen and what is the right dose of hydrogen to see an effect? It's like any other molecule that's going to work in a dose and concentration dependent effect. So I started buying the full studies to read the materials and methods, and I figured out that not a single one of them was using a machine like I bought, like an ionizer machine. So I ended up finding a reagent, so to do a chemical titration to detect molecular hydrogen,
And my machine, it wasn't detected. So I had to increase the input and it ended up being 0.03 parts per million. So in context, the hydrogen tablets that we distribute down deliver over 12 parts per million and 500 milliliters. So getting hundreds of times more. Oh, wow. So that actually it angered me about the machine, but it also gave me a bit of hope because I realized I hadn't tried hydrogen yet.
And I went about trying to make my own hydrogen water. And at first, I was trying magnesium rods and acid and then I had concerns about the inability to control the magnesium amount because you could get hyper magnesium and it can lead to some pretty serious effects if you get too much magnesium. Wait, so did you put in your water? Did you put a bunch of different like elements or is that the right word? Yeah, metal magnesium, right? Okay. And then like,
Acid, you know, and I did that for a couple days and I was just like, you know, like, I don't know how much magnesium I'm getting in here. I can't do this long term. So then I started thinking I need to control the magnesium amount and sort of looking for magnesium powder to buy it from the US. Well, it was a big challenge like I had to go through a nine month
background check and process with the State Department because it's controlled by the DoD, right? So there's military applications, but there's also pharmaceutical applications. Like they'll use it for like implants in your body at pharmaceutical grades. Okay. So this is like to buy magnesium powder and bulk kind of? Yeah. So the magnesium metal, you know, not like a magnesium like supplement, right? Okay.
the metal, which is which what form does that come in? And is it like a big piece of metal? So while it can come in a big piece of metal, it can come in and chunks, it can come in fine powder. So there's all sorts of different grades, but yeah, very controlled in the US. So it's used in a lot of industries, even the pharmaceutical industry for implants, obviously with the hydrogen tablets. So you can get approved if you have a legitimate purpose for it, but you have to go through this whole issue. And
At this time, I wasn't willing to do that because I was just looking for a do it yourself project, not I was looking to get into this as a business. So I ended up finding some sources of powdered elemental magnesium and Eastern Europe and China. And I imported them. And now I actually know that
it was illegal for them to send it to me. But it would show up as like a, you know, silver color paint mix, you know, stuff like that. Interesting. Like, you know, why are they mislabeling of this? But anyways, I started trying to experiment. I realized that the powder floats so I couldn't get any hydrogen. So I need to get the sink. So I started compressing them into a tablet so they'd sink down and I was sealing them under fire. Do you do this in a lap or like? No, my kitchen.
Really, but did it look like a lab? I'm just trying to envision like this project. No, I was using at the time a mortar and pestle and you know, I'd gotten like a little pill press and I was just messing around and grinding ingredients to get trying to get modulus nixtures, but basically after like a
a week I started noticing my joints started loosening and within three weeks all my joints had loosened when I was drinking like several liters of this water I was preparing and I was getting about three parts per million you know so the concentration and dosage had gone up substantially. I started working my joints loosened up as well as an approximate
And so I started getting really excited. But at the same time, I started realizing, well, there's some concerns here. I'm importing this illegally that was unbeknownst to me when I bought it. And I haven't tested this for any harmful side reactions or heavy metals or anything like that. I don't want to be poisoning myself. Yeah. In addition, I understood the chemistry well enough to make the tablets, but I'm not a PhD chemist. So I wanted to make sure
None of this was happening. I also am not a chemical engineer, right? So I wanted to make sure like I'm dealing with magnesium metal and hydrogen gas, you know, magnesium burns at 5,800 degrees. It's a white and fireworks that can melt through aluminum and a fraction of a second. So I want to also blow myself up in my kitchen in my house. I found my founding partner. He is a PhD chemist from the pharmaceutical industry. At first, he told me this was the worst pseudoscience he'd ever heard in his life.
Oh my gosh. And he gave me all these reasons why hydrogen's a nerd who won't have an effect in the body and even if it did, why you should inhale it instead of drinking it because of the poor solubility. So I had read every single paper on molecular hydrogen.
as a therapeutic by that time. So I was able to rebut every single one of his points with peer-reviewed evidence and explanations and say, even look like they've done the pharmacokinetics on this. And for whatever reason, dissolving it in water is working better than inhaling, even though it's less than 1% of the total dose. So that peaked his interest a bit. And he said, I still don't really buy it, but OK, I'll take a look at what you're doing. It looks like there is some science here.
And he started working on my formulation. And I just started sending him a new paper every day, you know, because I was excited about it at the time. And serendipitously, I sent him a paper on a certain disease model in a phase two double blind randomized control trial. And he called me and asked to meet for lunch. And so we met for lunch and
He said, listen, the other studies you've said, I'm not a subject matter expert. I just have to look at the conclusions and look at the methods and trust what they say. But on this, he was actually the lead chemist in church designing small molecules for this disease at his pharmaceutical company. And he said, unless this is fraud, this stuff works. And then he said, are you looking
to commercialize us. You've said this is a do-it-yourself project. Are you sure you don't want to take this to market? I plundered it a bit. We discussed it a bit. Neither of us were big fans of the supplement industry in general, but it was the best bet to go down with hydrogen. We decided to proceed cautiously and figure out our strategy.
So it took them no more than three weeks to kind of tweak my chemistry and to change the formulation slightly. After that, we realized it was a totally different game to make millions of them at high speed instead of making 20 tablets at a time and a mortar and pestle and a little hand press. In your kitchen? Yeah, in my kitchen. So we went about trying to commercialize. It took about a year.
15 failed scale at the temp set manufacturers and a few thousand iterative adjustments to get our first production ready to have them. Wow. When we got that done, we wanted to ensure now like we were delivering the highest dose and concentration of any tech at the time, even back then. And we wanted to make sure that again, this works, this was safe and that we were supported by clinical evidence. So I emailed every single first and corresponding author on every single paper at the time for
hydrogen as a therapeutic and offer them free products and free placebo and donations to strengthen the study under no basically publication gag orders that means whether it works or it doesn't professor has the right to publish which is huge you know in research.
And I got some bites. I got some universities who wanted to start doing trials with our technology. And so we proceeded with just the intent that we are going to treat this like a proper therapeutic. And we are going to advance the research. We are going to demonstrate efficacy. We are going to abide by all the legal regulations. So it's a big misconception that supplements aren't regulated in the United States. They are. There is very significant regulations on supplements.
But very few companies adhere to them. So there's, you know, 1% compliance in the supplement industry. So the big issue is there's no enforcement of the regulations. So we opted into complying. We got a new dietary ingredient status with the FDA got to grasp status. So generally regard to the safe.
And now we're up to, I think it's 17 published clinical trials with half a dozen case studies and half a dozen preclinical trials, which validate 21 structure function claims to FDA and FTC standards. And we actually have more research that is underway or going through peer review than we have published. So the research we're piling up is tremendous. And we're
always ramping up signing new research contracts with new universities. And in this time also, we have, we stopped counting at like 5,000 more, but we have, you know, 8, 10,000.
additional iterative adjustments to our formula and process. Our right now, which we're getting over 12 parts per million. It's incredible. Wow. So when was this that you were doing this in your kitchen and partnering with your partner? How many years? Nine years ago? Oh, okay. So this was a while.
Yeah, we started about nine years ago. So we would have gotten our first production ready tablet about eight years ago. Then we would have gotten our new dietary ingredient status from the FDA close to six years ago now. Okay. And kind of like slowly chipping away, just moving forward one step at a time. Wow. So then you started drink HRW.
Yeah, so I started that brand. Actually, that was the first company that carried it because I started as a brand and then I realized I could license the tech. So a few years ago, I sold that brand so that I could just focus on the technology, working with research teams, working with other companies, wanting to license my tech and have no conflict of interest between all of it.
But I still work pretty closely with that brand as an advisor. And because they advertise me as the founder, I have the Beto rights on new products. So they can't launch a new product without my sign off. Wow. And what kind of products do they have? It's for different things related to health, or is it everything? Is it like beauty, all that kind of stuff?
So they do have some like beauty from within products for sure, right? But they have two lines. They have one is true longevity. And it's all about longevity, right? Including beauty from within and maintaining beauty from within. And then they have another line that they work with their pro athletes on true performance, which is all sports performance really. And kind of the philosophy that when I sold my majority stake and they signed off and going forward is all products have to be
dosed properly. So they have to be dope, like ingredients that are validated by clinical research at that dose. So a big problem in the supplement industry is companies will just sprinkle what's called very dust levels of an ingredient. Maybe 100 milligrams is effective, but the ingredients expenses, they'll put 10 milligrams in, right? And now there's no biological effect, but they can advertise it on their label, you know, just like things, but people think, oh, this has this and it's good.
I'm extremely dishonest so yeah, I wrote that in my agreement with them when they took over that I have to sign off. And not only that they develop all products with their scientific advisory board which is an assortment of PhDs and MDs.
every SAB member has it in their agreement that they cannot be advertised in conjunction with the product they develop unless they sign off in the final formula. That's great. Yeah, that's so helpful. That's been such an experience that I've had with so many different supplements and everything else because I've also had autoimmune issues and
overcome a lot of things, including inflammation. I had Lyme disease, which wreaked havoc on also my joints and everything that you're talking about. And yeah, sometimes some of the different supplements, you can just tell when they're not doing anything. And it's so frustrating because all you want to do is feel better and you would try anything when you're in that level of pain.
And especially if you've taken it from one brand and you feel something and experience it and then you try another brand and it doesn't work. Yeah, you can tell the difference. Yeah, there's been so many consumer reports also. So it's another big problem. And again, this comes down to enforcement. And it's certain manufacturers can manufacture in the US and not a GMP certified, right? And then they don't follow the law and don't do any of these things. They just fly under the radar selling the small brands. Well,
Tons of consumer report investigations have looked into supplements and said, while they're claiming this 100 milligrams, we actually only detected 30.
Right? Or, you know, in talking to clinically validated like branded ingredients, you know, they'll have caught manufacturers that are buying from them, but the numbers don't make sense to what the brands are selling on the market. And so the manufacturers will buy 10% of the good ingredient and then 90% of a cheap generic from China or India to drive down their cost. And often the brand doesn't.
even know this, because they're putting in their PO and thinking they're paying for the good ingredient. So there are all these issues in the supplement industry that you have to be extra vigilant as consumers, but also as brand owners. You have to be extremely vigilant to know this is the right way to do it. We need to audit and investigate our manufacturing facilities and do all these things because there are so many opportunities along the road for someone to
basically cut corners that that ends up, if not harming consumers, harming their pocketbook, because they're not getting what they're paying for. Yeah, that makes so much sense. Wow. So how's your health now? Because I'm assuming you probably drink this every day. Yeah, yeah, I drink this every day. And I do some other stuff too. So
Hydrogen isn't magic, right? It's not going to regrow my cartilage, you know, like even things like stem cells have very modest effects on regrowing cartilage. So I have no cartilage remaining in a couple of joints. Oh, wow.
What it's allowed me to do is sleep at night without having to take painkillers or anti-inflammatories. I kickbox three times a week. You know, now I had to relearn kickboxing of the South Pole. So I have an active right hand because it's my left shoulder. That's all jacked up. But I can kickbox a few times a week. I go and hike almost daily. So it's letting me live.
mostly pain-free. I can put a jacket on, I can put socks on now. I'm not what I was 10 years ago before this happened, but I'm substantially better than when I've cycled off and stopped taking the hydrogen water. I just seize right back up. Wow. What are some of the other things that you do for your health?
So I'm big on, you know, hot and cold. So sauna, you know, cold exposure also, uh, red light therapy without going into what all of them is. I probably take 60, 70 pills a day, you know, various, you know, various.
supplements or, you know, peptides or, you know, experimental pharmaceuticals that aren't approved yet, but showing good results. Wow. Wow. So I'm assuming you've obviously vetted all the supplements that actually are in their integrity if you're taking that money. Yeah, at least that they have some good clinical research.
So very few supplements are really validated in massive multi-center clinical trials. And this comes down to funding. There's a big issue there. And the big trials that we do on drugs, for instance, to get a drug to market could cost over a billion dollars. Now, no company is going through this process in the United States to get a molecule as a drug if they can't patent it and protect it and ensure a profit down the line.
So a lot of people think the pharmaceutical companies are evil and I'm not disregarding that. They are in a lot of ways. But our regulatory system
basically mandates the way they practice because you can't do it any other way. So it's a more complex nuanced issue that regulations were made in the 1950s, 60s that make absolutely no sense today and now entrench the few large pharmaceutical companies as you get any therapeutic market.
Yeah, so what are those regulations like just high level? I mean, I kind of I know what you're talking about, but I'm definitely someone who doesn't trust the pharmaceutical industry based off of what I have been through with my health. So I'm just curious like what what you're talking about from the 1950s.
So basically, there's the rule here. To get a pharmaceutical approved by the FDA, you really need two Phase III clinical trials showing it has an effect on a certain disease model, right? And it has to have an exact effect on an exact disease model for a symptom to be an issue. Basically, those trials have to be funded by the corporation applying
for the license on the new drug application. So for instance, if all the universities in the US teamed together and did big phase three trials on a product that's cheap and easily accessible to people and safe, and they proved that it works in a couple of clinical trials, it still couldn't get approved as a drug because it's public ownership on
that molecule is not tied to a company doing a NDA. So that means that no matter how much research we get at publicly funded hospitals and universities, it can never become an approved therapeutic in the United States because it's not tied to a company. Right. Which is crazy. It is crazy. Right. It is crazy. And then there's other things too. The FDA is starting to soften on this. Aging is not considered to disease.
So drugs cannot target the reason that chronic disease happens, that all these things happen, which is deterioration due to aging and daily stress. So a lot of the root cause issues can't be addressed. They have to address a symptom once you already have a disease. So it's a very backward system.
Yeah, very much so. What's your take on aging? Because I know that molecular hydrogen can help with anti-aging and longevity. Yeah. So, hydrogen and aging, this is interesting. So, we have one clinical trial with the tablets on 70-plus population. That was six months, double one placebo controlled. And our really big caveat of this trial is it was recruited in the spring of 2020.
So these people were basically under house arrest early days. So they couldn't go to the gym, couldn't be healthy under high stress. So in the placebo group,
telomeres dramatically shortened in the six months span, which is expected due to the context of what happened because we know stress, inflammation, all these things cortisol will decrease telomere length. But the hydrogen group, they lengthen the telomeres despite all of this. In addition, the hydrogen improved DNA methylation, it improved brain metabolism, it improved this protein in the blood called TET2. Now,
what tattoo is, if anyone listening has ever seen the headline, you know, pop science articles about vampire mice, where they take the blood of a young mouse and they put it in a mouse and it revitalizes their skeletal tissue, that's linked to tattoo. So the hydrogen tablets doubled that in the blood. But there were some really
interesting functional outcomes in the study as well. So we improved quality of life scores by reducing pain scores in the questionnaire. We improved some outcomes of sleep, but we improved some parameters of the senior fitness test. So for instance, how many times the older people could sit and stand before getting tired? We went up in the hydrogen group despite
It being six months the average age being like seventy seven and then basically being house arrest so they weren't out walking they weren't out working out doing any of these things but they still got more fit at the end of the six months which is huge. Now we have some basic research to on hydrogen in general in nematodes.
it extended lifespan. In mice, it dramatically extended average lifespan and health span. So mice given hydrogen water, whether they start from birth or from middle age, they basically were all clustered at the maximum amount mice can live. So in the control group, they're scattered like a human dying anywhere from like 60 to 110. In the hydrogen group, they were all tightly packed as if it was a human living to 100 to 110.
Right? So it maximize their lifespan, but also their health span. So the mice in the hydrogen group resisted all neurological diseases. So that was very, very interesting. We also know there's some strong correlative evidence on why hydrogen could be good for anti-aging and lifespan and health span. For instance, we know that as we age,
Methane rises in our breath and hydrogen drops. We know that as methane rises, all cause mortality goes up. It's correlated to basically every disease state, higher methane in the breath.
But we know that in research on centenarians, so people who are over 100 years old, such as in Okinawa, that these people who are over 100 have higher breath hydrogen on average than the average young person. Oh, wow. Their lifestyle has kept high amounts of hydrogen gas. And this comes back to why hydrogen is so important to supplement for most people.
Molecular hydrogen has been with us since the very beginning of evolution. So our last universal common ancestor, the single cell organism that spawned all life on this planet, actually consumed hydrogen as its fuel source. And then
are mitochondria, which are, you know, the powerhouse of our cells, they actually evolved from eukaryotes. So they're kind of like an evolved bacteria. And the eukaryotes they involved from were formed by, from a symbiotic relationship between two organelle, one which exhaled hydrogen as a waste product. So hydrogen has been with us for multiple steps before mitochondria existed. Wow.
Throughout the last few billion years, there were periods where there was tons of hydrogen in the atmosphere, so much so that it was dissolved in the water. So the oldest water sources we found on the planet, you know, water sources that are 2 billion years old, deep beneath the Canadian shield, they still have detectable hydrogen gas dissolved in the water. None of our surface water does today. But more importantly, is how we evolved to produce hydrogen gas, and that's by fermenting fiber. Now,
The reason this is critical is because throughout human evolution, we consumed 100 to 150 grams of dietary fiber a day. Now, through the last several thousand years, we've stripped fiber from most of our fruits and vegetables and grains, and our diet over the last 100 years has then rapidly changed even more. So much so that the average personal and standard American diet consumes one to three grams of dietary fiber a day.
So perhaps 1% of the fiber that we evolved to create. So we're not getting the source in how we create hydrogen anymore because of the slow fiber intake. But to the bacteria that will expel this hydrogen gas by fermenting the fiber are like any other living thing. If you stop feeding it,
it dies. So a lifestyle of not feeding this bacteria enough hydrogen kills off this bacteria, leading to gut dysbiosis, which is all the craze in research right now. So research has started showing that upwards of 60 to 80% of middle-aged and older metabolic and impaired individuals
when they're given a non-neutrogative carbohydrate like a fiber to do a breath hydrogen test, they either produce no hydrogen or a very little hydrogen and lots of methane. By the time you get to this problem, which the majority of people in the Western world have this problem, they're metabolically impaired, middle-aged, and over. By the time you get here, changing your diet,
may not work because you killed off the bacteria. So you're just going to be producing methane anyways, right? And then getting to 150 grams of dietary fiber a day, raw food vegans don't even get that because we just don't have the fiber in our food source anymore. So it's become that the only way we can get this hydrogen gas that we evolved to anticipate is exogenously, like through hydrogen water or hydrogen inhalation.
So that's why it's so critical as a supplement. And I think within 10, 15 years, it's going to be as commonly used by people more so even than like a vitamin C, right? How important it is. And how much it does, you know, like in our structure function claims, we have 21 structure function claims showing benefits in metabolism, healthy weight, healthy appetite.
We have benefits in exercise performance and recovery. We have benefits in brain health and brain performance. We have benefits in anti-aging. There's been research done topically with hydrogen, showing reduction in wrinkles. Improving in various skin issues. Hydrogen does so much.
And the reason it can do so much is because of how it works. It's not like a pharmaceutical where it's a molecule that has a direct effect on a certain other molecule in our system. Hydrogen works sort of like exercise. It is
something called a mitohormetic stressor. So this is hermesis of our mitochondria. So hermesis is like exercise, think exercise, think the sauna, think cold exposure. It's a manageable stress that trains our body to respond and get stronger and start functioning better. So hydrogen specifically is a stress to our mitochondria.
Now, our mitochondria responds by getting stronger, creating more mitochondria, so now we have more energy within ourselves, and with this more energy, we're able to correct a lot of what is going on.
from the day to day stressors in life. That's so amazing. To me, it sounds like you're very ahead of our time, how you're saying that people are probably going to be taking this like a supplement that everybody knows about in like 10 or 15 years, which makes so much sense because it sounds really important.
Yeah, I mean, provided that the research continues holding up and the rate of research success is extremely high. But for context, nine years ago, when I started this, there were about 30 clinical trials and only a few hundred publications on hydrogen.
Now there's thousands of publications on hydrogen and there's over 200 human traits. So it's expanded quite a bit, you know, like by 10 tons in the last nine, 10 years. If we see that continued growth over the next 10 years, it's going to be so obviously beneficial to our health.
that it'll be impossible for governments in the media to ignore. Wow. Well, that's really exciting. That's so amazing. Well, I can't wait to start taking it. This sounds like something that I need for so many different reasons, inflammation and so many health issues that I deal with. If you have autoimmune issues, I definitely recommend it. Yeah.
It could be why like every doctor I've seen things that I had a auto immune response to the virus, auto immune does run on my mom's head of the family, you know my mom has an auto immune my sister was just diagnosed with an auto immune and I have cousins and their kids with auto immune, but every test they've done.
has shown like nothing detectable, right? My inflammatory levels are super low. So, for instance, like I do blood tests every couple months with a company called Cyfox, right? My HSCRP is typically below the detection limit. So, everything I'm doing, including the hydrogen, has suppressed whatever caused my
health issues. Mm hmm. That's fantastic. I'm so happy to hear that. Okay. So I have to ask you because I asked everyone who comes on the show, what is your zodiac sign? Gemini. Oh, when's your birthday? May 24th. Nice. And do you relate to being a Gemini?
I don't, I don't know. I can see it. Gemini's are very passionate, very expressive. You're so good at talking about everything that you've created and very curious and innovators. So I see it. Well, I'm so happy to have this conversation with you. I could talk to you all day. I know that we have a code balanced for 15% off of everything at drink HRW, which you found it. And now are on the board of.
So everybody listening, I know they're going to want to try all of the options that they have. So that code balance will get you 15% off. And other than that, where can everyone find you? So I have my own website, Alexternava.com. I have a research gate account if you want to look at my research.
For social media, I'm not really that active. You're mostly going to see photos of like food I've made or concerts too and stuff like that. I will post like new research updates once in a while, but maybe only once every couple months. Cool. I'll just turn off.
Sounds amazing. Well, thank you so much. This was such a fantastic conversation. Thank you guys so much for listening to the show. I'm so happy that you're here. Come say hi on Instagram at the balance bond and tell me what your favorite part of this episode was. Subscribe, rate, and review on Apple podcast and send me a screenshot of your rating and review for a free Solon fire yoga ebook. See you next Wednesday. Love you guys.
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