#257 - Roman Shapoval: EMFs, Health, and the Hidden Risks of Modern Living

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Right. Listen, Roman, listen, thanks for joining me. Um, I've, I've been asked by so many people get someone on about EMS, EMS. And, um, the funny thing is EMS, we need to thank COVID for that. Thank COVID for EMS because, um, you know, I'm a doctor, you know, never have I been taught about EMS really in med school other than radiation, you know, to get x-rays and do

you know, order the scans and tests. We had to do an ionization course. But nothing more than that. And even as a doctor, when mobile phones came in, you know, we were just in the periphery, other safe, they're safe. They're safe and effective. They're safe and effective. But now with COVID, there's suddenly this awareness of 5G, 5G, and like, you know, even I've had to look into it. And it's something my brain has just exploded.

I didn't really appreciate that we can only see 0.0003% of the electromagnetic spectrum. The reality is if we could see it, most of it would be blinded by the noise and the light and everything, the kaleidoscope of colors. So we only see a tiny fraction.

But we are constantly being bombarded by whether it's radio waves, microwaves, and our cell phones and our broadband. I mean, you name it, it's everywhere. I mean, we are constantly being bombarded with these artificial

waves, well, not artificial, but man-made waves right now, which never really existed two to 50 years ago. It's quite unnatural as a human species to be bombarded by that. And what I find really interesting is in medicine and in our science, we don't talk much about

what this is doing to our bodies and our health and the plants and the animals and nature. We were obsessed about carbon, carbon emissions, but no one ever talks about reducing EMF emissions.

So it's really an honor to have you on. And I know you're asking me, Buhan, what topics do you want to talk about me? Honestly, whatever. I've seen your bio. I know what you're into. I know the courses that you run. And I put all the show notes. So if you can just share some of your wisdom and knowledge and just give the listeners an eye, just a brief understanding of what it is we're up against and how we can protect ourselves and what damage these things actually do cause us.

Well, first of all, thank you to your listeners for empowering themselves and being on this podcast listening to you and for you also, Doc Malik have me on to spread that message.

Just to give you a little bit of background, how I got into all this, I used to sell computers. Before that as a teenager, my mother, grandmother, grandfather, they passed away from cancer and the medical establishment, they weren't giving me a lot of answers. They just said it was genetic.

And so fast forward to when I was selling computers, I found out about the potential link with DNA damage and electromagnetic fields. Thank you to Henry Ly with the University of Washington. He did an experiment in 1998.

basically showed conclusive evidence. He was discredited by the industry. Anyway, this propelled me to really go into it. And this is back in 2012, after I had my own burnout with the technology, with scrolling through the internet late at night, I was addicted to games, like strategy games. And I was just wondering why this is just a

Yeah, okay, so you understand. Yeah. Yeah, they're highly and you know, they're they're game to no pun intended to get us addicted. Then the last straw was when my wife, she went through a deep depression on her honeymoon, believe it or not. And I was searching for answers, you know, supplements, they weren't really working. The only thing that was working was changing the light environment and light.

is a form of electromagnetic frequency or force, I should say. And that was the biggest change I found that turned the needle for myself, for her, getting us aligned to nature's light. Now, that sounds very basic and very easy. And it's like, well, dull Roman, but how many people are actually doing that? Especially now. On that note, so that's just wonderful.

On that note, can I quickly just pause and get my blue blockers? Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. I'm going to go get them because I feel like a hypocrite because I'm feeling I need to wear them. Hold on. I'll be back in two minutes. Yeah, I got mine. Honestly, I felt like such a hypocrite. And the thing is because the studio lights are quite bright. And I was like, you know, and I was feeling the glare and I hate it. So here now, much better. Right. Keep going, buddy. All right. Yeah, you look like a Jedi now.

Yeah, no. So, you know, the light was the first thing that kind of caught my attention with all this because I saw results. And then I really need to give credit to Dr. Jack Cruz, who in 2017, he was speaking out against 5G and some of those dangers. And that really propelled me to

go down a rabbit hole with all different types of EMF, including dirty electricity, different types, there's about six different main types. And I started reading all kinds of books on it and basically found out how much we relied to, which made me more angry, which made me go down a deeper rabbit hole. And then eventually I studied with the Institute of Building Biology, which they're in their international institute out of Santa Fe, New Mexico. And, you know, just

It became an advocate in building biology, which means it's the studying how our dwellings affect our organism. Treating our home and our clothing as a second and third skin.

not taking it for granted, right? Seeing how our things like our psychology and how we sleep in these homes, what our bedrooms are constructed of, how electricity runs through our homes. And it's really become a passion of mine because when I was a teenager, like I said, so many of my family were wiped out and I felt helpless to do anything. So now I'm using what I saw in my tech career.

seeing what kind of strategies these companies use against us to bring that into my, bring that into light for other people. We're also connected with other scientists around the world, like Arthur Firstenberg, Mona Nielsen out of Sweden, who's actually the only scientist in the whole world doing independent peer-reviewed studies on 5G health effects, the only scientists in the whole world, believe it or not. Wow.

All kinds of people, all kinds of amazing people, Magda Havas at a Canada. I've also joined a coalition, which has about 31 members, sorry, from members from 31 different countries, and we're raising awareness of the global radiation emergency, which is happening now with satellites.

Because we are, I don't like to say we live on earth, I like to say we live in the earth. So everything that happens in the earth, we all experience at the same time. And you probably heard of the book, The Invisible Rainbow. My colleague Arthur wrote, right? So it just goes to show that we're all connected to this electrical envelope. And

It's something that's very sensitive and that basically not only affects us, but obviously affects the plants, even the soil microbiome, antibiotic resistance, all these things. It seems overwhelming, but that's the start of it, is appreciating the threat and then doing something about it, and there are so many things we can do.

Yeah, so thanks again for that, have me on. So listen, okay, whoa, a lot of things there. Tell me about like, let's start with electricity. And you talked about dirty electricity. So I'm aware that electricity creates currents and then fields.

Is that what you're talking about? How that can affect? And quite often, you know, around a house, you have the ring main, you know, goes all the way around a room. And for example, when you're sleeping, there's plug sockets right next to your headboard. People put their charger, their phone, you've got all these electrical fields. Is that what you mean by electricity and dirty electricity and how that affects our fields? Because we're generating electrical fields. Can you elaborate on that?

Yeah, so that's a good question, Doc. So electricity, if you want to think of it this way, I can break it down. So you have AC, which is alternating current, and DC, which is direct current.

So our bodies, all Earth, runs on what's called direct current electricity. If you ever heard of something called the Schumann resonance, which is around 8 Hertz, which is a Hertz is a cycle per second, 8 Hertz to 30 Hertz, that's 30 cycles per second. That's how quickly the electrical field of the Earth oscillates.

And that also matches our brainwaves, our alpha or delta, the brainwaves you see on a electroencephalogram. So we have our own electrical signature, which follows that frequency of 8 to 30 Hertz. And it runs along DC or direct current. Now, yeah, so there you go. And so why is that important? Because our brains, all our nervous system,

It's used to perceiving information, electrical information coming from the cosmos from the earth at 8 to 30 times per second.

Now, Andy can even go up to 60 times per second if you're in gamma or a higher state of meditation. So why is this important for today? Because now, thanks to Edison and Tesla, Tesla created what's called the alternating current as a way to power homes in the late 1800s, because Edison came up with the light bulb, which is fantastic, great invention, right?

that light bulb needed to be powered by something. An industry needed to use what was called the AC polyphase motor. Now the problem with AC is that it's not direct current, it's alternating current. So it's our brains and our bodies now are perceiving something that's changing direction or polarity constantly, it's flip-flopping all the time. It's like

You know, if you had to walk down a street path, hiking down a forest path, calmly, that is a direct current of electricity. Alternating current is hiking down that same forest path, but now jumping back and forth, front and back until you get to the end. So which one is going to create more stress on your body? Well, obviously the one where you're jumping around all the time.

So we're constantly in this field of alternating current that in Europe or in your areas I believe is 50 Hertz or 50 times per second.

in North America, it's 60 hertz. So that's one layer, the frequency of it all. And this is why it's so important when we talk about EMFs to not think about in terms of power level, which is important, but the quality, not the quantity, because our cells communicate at a very low, low power level, and a very, very high quality we need.

So this is one aspect, the frequency. Now, when we get into things like dirty electricity, the technical term for that is electromagnetic interference or EMI. So what is that? That's a big word. And why is it important? Well, because when we have our modern systems, the way they've been designed,

In North America, I can't speak to England, but I know North America. First off, a lot of the electrical outlets and power in the home, when it goes back to the electrical substation or, you know, where the power company basically has all these transformers, there's no return cable.

going back to that substation. All the wiring or the ground current just gets put back into the earth. So there's a lot of electrical noise and current that is just running rampant through the earth because we're treating the earth not as a sponge or sorry, we're treating the earth as a sponge rather than a conductor, which is what it really is. So why is that important for dirty electricity?

Well, dirty electricity needs a ground. All of our electrical systems need a ground rod to be able to basically have a safe way to egress out of our homes. But our electrical wiring now, it doesn't even have that designated ground to so many of them because there's no return cable. So the excess current isn't going back to the electrical station. So our grounding systems are getting overwhelmed.

with electricity. So that's one thing. The other thing to think about with dirty electricity is that all these chargers that we have, these laptop chargers, even solar panels on our homes, batteries, they use what's called a switch mode power supply. So again, any kind of little extension cord or, like I said, a phone charger uses a switch mode power supply. What is that? Well, that's taking

The DC, the direct current that is used by a lot of the electricity company also uses and converts it to AC in our home. So we can get that electricity. But the DC to AC switching creates a lot of noise or the dirty electricity. And what is that? Well, regular AC electricity, as I mentioned, 60 Hertz.

When you have dirty, dirty electricity, that takes us 60 Hertz. And now it can create a frequency of up to 23,000 Hertz in our homes. It's basically like you're introducing a lightning rod.

into your house with these spikes of constant, what they call harmonic frequencies that can also create a high pitch noise. And our cells, our bodies don't like that. And this is why researchers like Magna Hobbes, she's even shown how people with multiple sclerosis, that condition can be aggravated if you're around a field of dirty electricity and is lessened if you're not in that field.

Okay. Okay. All right. I've got a few things to ask there. So 100%, like that screenshot I just showed you, it said that the earth's natural frequency is 7.83 hertz, the human resonance. And I actually also say is that, you know, the well being of human beings,

is if you're close to that resonance, it helps with promoting relaxation, cell regeneration and healing, and it affects your brain and your mood as well directly. So the frequency of business is really, really important. But I want to come back to, when you said 23,000, whatever,

Hertz, is there a way of measuring it? Is there some device you can get around your house and you can go around walking around and see, actually, have I got areas where there's dirty electricity? And two, what were the things that were causing again? Because I thought that electricity coming in from the mains was AC. Where's the switcher? Where are you getting DC to AC? Where's that happening?

So there's a couple areas. One is in the laptop charger or the phone charger itself. It takes that AC signal and then converts it to DC so your laptop charger can use it.

Then there's also switch mode power supplies at the actual electrical substation or the power company where they're taking DC and switching it to AC a lot of cell towers use this they have switch mode power supplies and When that switching so they're converting that electricity to something that our homes can use It basically what it is. It's more it's not more

It's more economical for them to do it this way. So that's kind of why it's being done. But that dirty electricity bleeds through all homes because you can be getting your neighbor's electrical current through your home. If he has laptop charges plugged in everywhere and the grid or electrical grid isn't wired the right way. And I know, especially in North America, it's not.

there's no correct ground path for these electrical currents to go to, that creates a huge issue. Does that answer your question? Yeah, and what about measuring it? Can you go around with a device and say, right, I'm going to measure where everything is? Can you buy something for like $50,000? One more question.

Yeah, so there's a couple of ways you can measure. Well, actually, there's three ways you can measure. I'll start with the more costly one and I'll work my way down. But Jim Stetzer, he created what's called the Stetzerizer.

a filter, and he used to work with the US Air Force. He had top secret security clearance. He did a lot of work with them. So he understands how electrical systems work on a massive scale. And he had these devices actually approved. They got a UA certification. So it's a certification given by the regulatory agency in the US government. I forget which one it is. Could be the FCC. But anyway, my point is, his products,

Pass a high bar of standardization so you know that they work and a lot of professionals use them. So that one costs around $130 to get back to the filter. How'd you spell the surname?

Yeah, Stetzer. So S as in SAM, T, E, T, Z, E, R. So you have a meter that can basically go around measuring how much dirty electricity you have. That's $130 for that meter.

And then you can plug in these little devices. They're stetzer filters. And actually, I'm wondering here, I can show you. But so this one, yeah, there you go. So they're about $30 US each. But if you call the company, they usually are pretty good. You may even be able to get a discount if you order over the phone. It's a typical home. OK, this one's at stock.

Yeah, you can go right to their website, but yeah, you can call them directly and I'm not an affiliate. They don't have an affiliate program at all. Just so you know, I just like their products because I have seen a difference in the readings. So that's one thing you can do typical home installing filters cost about $600. So that but that's going to also filter out all your dirty electricity and measure it.

Now that being said, there's a whole issue with that. So these devices actually filter or absorb these dirty fields. Oh, wow. And it's not moving stuff. It's the real thing.

It's the real thing. Yeah, it's the real thing. Like as I mentioned, his products have been certified with UA certification and other EMF professionals stand by it. Magda Habes, when she, she's even advised a European Parliament on EMF and she used these devices in a study in Trent University in Canada. And they noticed there was a market difference in the amount of

your ability and basically mood changes on a positive scale in students of that classroom. And they didn't even know that she was installing these filters. After she installed the filters, everybody felt better. And then they told everybody what they did. So yeah, it's definitely not woo. There's also a guy who wrote the book under the electricity. There you go. Mark de Havas.

Yeah, I'm the hummus, yeah. So, you know, Samuel Millham, he wrote a book under electricity, and he talks about it in that book, basically, how the electrification of America. So he's an epidemiologist.

He took loads of studies and tracked how cancer and chronic disease, heart disease coincided with the electrification of America. And he pins it on these dirty electrical fields. But anyway, sorry to digress. So the steps are filters one way, we can read it.

The second way is you can, believe it or not, our compact fluorescent bulbs, like the, you know, the spirally things that they told us were so good for us that are full of mercury, you know, the fluorescent bulbs. They made a lot of dirty electricity, actually.

Because the amount of power it takes for that light to be generated, it emits a ton of it. And so there is a meter you can take actually, it's about $120, I think, $120 US. And you will just hold it up to light. And it'll basically the higher that frequency pitch goes, the more direct electricity you have. So that's why incandescence are really the best form of lighting.

apart from candles. But so that's one way. Another way you can read dirty electricity. The easiest one, I shouldn't say the easiest, but probably the. But you know, can I quickly just can I just quickly pause the funny thing is, I think in the EU or the UK, the band incandescent bulbs, everything has to be these LED bulbs now because it's apparently more eco-friendly. And it's just nonsense, isn't it? Yeah.

It really is. It really is. Because when they say it's eco-friendly, what does that even mean? Because first of all, these things have to get disposed of somehow. So when they say it's eco-friendly, is it friendly for the... Because we're not consuming as much electricity anymore, or is that really true?

They base everything on, I know in the US they base it on what's called energy efficiency. So I recently interviewed a fellow by the name of Mark Baker with the Soft Lights Foundation and who's actually suing the Food and Drug Administration of the United States based on the fact that these LEDs, not only are they dangerous,

It can cause cancer and leukemia that actually these LEDs are not energy efficient because energy efficiency is a two part definition. The first part is that it needs to maintain a certain level of quality light. And the second is the amount of lumens per watt that they use. But what the FDA did and what the industry did, they left that first part of the definition out now.

So now they measure, they just say, oh, well, it has a certain amount of lumens per watt. And they've forgotten, or not forgotten, they just left out the quality of the light. So now if you want to compare an incandescent with an LED incandescent by far has a greater quality. And why does have a greater quality? Well, it's still going to light up your place very well. And it has infrared in there.

And so the LED has none of that. It's an artificial, totally alien light to develop in a lab. But anything in nature always has infrared or red light to pair with it. And incandescents have that. So it's a better quality because not only is it giving us regeneration in our retina and our calming our nervous system and giving us warm lighting. It's actually also warm lighting, literally warming our homes.

So in the winter time, if you have incandescence in your home versus LEDs, I bet you, and this is speculation, but I bet you if you have LEDs, you're going to be spending more now on your heating bill than you would if you just had a condescence because incandescence, it's fire light, right? Yeah. So just because something's older doesn't mean it's bad. Yeah, Edison was a genius. So these are just things that we all need to know.

100%. Okay. And then you're saying they are banning them in the US. Yeah. And then you're going to say the third thing. Right. So sorry. So the third thing is you can take an AM radio and tune it to 530 AM.

And so that's or 500 a.m. just and that is basically because the way radios work is they work on what's called killer hurts. So remember how I said 60 Hertz in your homes, right? That's 60 cycles per second. Now, killer hurts is 1000. Multiply that hurts by 1000.

So now we're taking that AM radio, that Hertz, and now we're correlating it to the outlet in our home, which may be also going at like 23,000 Hertz, right? So now with that radio and that outlet, you're going to hear a noise. And if that noise is very high pitched or it changes the closer you get to the outlet, you'll know that there's what's called electromagnetic interference because those two

EMFs or frequencies are now interfering with one another rather than just being a clean field and So that that's a great way for anybody you can pick up one of these radios for 20 bucks and just go around your home and then you'll see oh wow this area has a lot of screeching noises maybe I don't want to sit there all the time and you know that's really

Why I like talking about this because 5G and our cell phones and Wi-Fi, these are all issues, but there's so much stuff we can do in our homes just by being aware that we can limit that chronic stress. And that'll help bring down the footprint.

I love it. So can I just ask like some basics, like try and get my head around this. So what would you recommend? So for example, say you're in a small house, would you recommend you put all your chargers and your phones and your laptop in one room in one corner? And if you're sitting down for dinner or watching the TV, you'd be far away from that.

that you wouldn't plug your phone in next to your bedroom, like in your phone, like don't have the lights and sockets all switched on in your bedroom. Like what are the tangible kind of steps that people can take that you would recommend? Yeah, no. Great question. So yeah, absolutely. Number one sleep is the most important. The bedroom is the most important part of the house, I would argue, because that's where all your regeneration happens. So

Okay, so there's a few things we can do. What I like to do, and I'll work my way back from there, but I like to actually shut the power off to my bedroom because any electromagnetic field is going to pair onto live wiring. Anytime you have an electrical field, you by default create a magnetic field.

Anytime there's an electrical field present from a light bulb to a charger to the clock on your oven, that's going to generate a magnetic field. I can talk about the health effects of that, but basically some things people can do. If you can't shut off the power through your bedroom, what do you do?

Well, you shut off as many unplug things, because even if the switch is on, or say the power is on to your bedroom, you can still unplug those lamps, or definitely don't have your phone there, even if it's off.

Because the phone is, to me, is a psychological trigger, too. And so many people, you associate that with work. So that also creates a boundary there with your devices, which is important. But I advise always, if you can, pull your bed at least one to two feet away from the wall.

Because electrical fields, they drop off. They follow what's called the inverse square law. So if you back something up by one unit, it's going to multiply the effect. It's going to lessen the effect by two. If you back it away by two units, it's going to by four. And then by three units of measure, it's going to lessen the effect by nine times, because it's a square. So the more you can distance yourself from your home wiring,

the better. Now, obviously, that's not a reality for all of us. But yeah, like you said, if you can have all your laptop chargers and things like that in one corner, like I worked out in the basement on a concrete floor, I'm actually barefoot on it because I know I'm totally grounded. But I keep all of my

chargers and things like this totally up against the wall, and I have at least two feet. I measure things all the time because I'm obsessed with it, so I know how much of a field is giving off. But yeah, but you know what, it adds up over time, you know, like all that stress, it adds up. So yeah, so that the best thing you can do just for a very easy, yeah, back or bed away from the wall a bit. And

Yeah, and if you can, shut the power off at night. That's a great way, because that's going to actually save you money. And yeah, if you need to have the air conditioning on, that's another thing to consider. You may want to stick with a fan other than air conditioner, because anything that has a motor.

generates a magnetic field, and those magnetic fields can go out even further than electrical fields, depending on where you are. But there's a lot to talk about when it comes to these things. So a fan is better or worse because a fan's got a motor in it.

right so sorry a fan also has a motor but like so I'm using my example of my bedroom so the air conditioners right up against that bedroom wall and that motor I've measured is more powerful than the fan motor so I measure the magnetic field on that AC and it

It's a little bit more powerful and it goes into the rest of the home wiring. It can tend to be hooked into other outlets because it generates more, I should say, current than the fan. So it can also create more dirty electricity in your home, whereas the fan, it's using less power. So that could be something that's a little bit more easy to do, or I should say less stressful on your body to do.

We actually will do sometimes we'll just take a fan from the other room and we'll just roll running extension cord into the bedroom. But like I said, we've changed things around a lot. Currently I'm sleeping in the basement right now on the floor because it's actually the most comfort. It's more comfortable than you think. I have a wool liner and wool also insulates EMF. So if you're sleeping on wool, that's a great way to do it as well.

Well, I think it's natural to sleep on the ground. Man has done that for hundreds of thousands of years. And now suddenly we've got this idea of having these square box hassies, rectangular hassies and flats and condos and sleeping above the ground. And, you know, I dream that one day, one day I get, you know, some miraculous pot of money and I can build my own house. One of the things is there will be no straight lines. There will be cars and organic and

natural and the bedroom, it will just be one floor. I just might be sleeping on the ground, you know, on the ground. I was even saying to my wife today, I like, like I eat on the ground. I sit down and we have a slow coffee table. And I said, you know, I'd love to have a house like a Japanese model, where you're just always constantly on sitting down on the ground. You know, I just feel better for it. But you know, when you have this dirty electricity from a symptom point of view, what are your kind of symptoms? You know, are they headaches?

brain fog. I mean, there's all this other stuff that can happen. You get unwell. I mean, you talked about diabetes. We looked at that paper. But, you know, in the short term, what could be the kind of symptoms that disturbed sleep? Like, what happens?

Yeah, so it's a great question. And it depends on the person. It depends on the diet they're on. I know myself. I like my caffeine in the morning. And I all notice that I'll actually get tightness in the chest.

When I'm in certain areas, I have a lot of nerve bundles in their solar plexus area. If some people have an issue with calcium metabolism that your brain relies on, they may get more

headaches i know people have what's called a tissue salt efficiency and calcium they're more susceptible to brain fog. Some people maybe have more mood disorder and you know all the kind of ties together because if you have bad you let's just say you have.

Somebody ticked you off at work or you're going through a family crisis and you have those thoughts in your head and now you're in a field that's further, further exacerbating it. That's another thing to consider. But mainly the effects are always usually on our heart.

and our brain, and then it just trickles down from there. These things have a way of finding the weakest link in the chain. For some people, it could be metabolism, but it all depends, and that's why it's so important to know how to repair the damage in your body through practices that I like to talk about.

because if we can't clear that stress, it's gonna build up. So it's a great question. It's a great question. I can tell you that anxiety is probably the number, anxiety and chronic fatigue are the number one and two things I hear about from most people. And are you familiar with the whole anxiety thing and Freud and the telegraph? No. Yeah, so this kind of blew my mind when I was reading the Invisible Rainbow.

that my colleague Arthur Furstenberg wrote. And in the late 1800s, of course, we had the invention of the telegraph. So hundreds and hundreds of thousands of miles of copper wire were strung around the earth. So we think we don't see wires anymore. But back then, that's how it was. And I've written an article on this on my substack, why anxiety is an electrical illness. And it shows basically how Freud

He invented the term anxiety in herbosa for a previous condition that is still acknowledged by the rest of the world as Neurosthenia. Neurosthenia is a nervous disorder. Our nerves are physical things, right? You know, doctor. But Freud, he blamed anxiety on things like bad thoughts or women being hysterical.

So, just as these fields were being strung up all around the world, you even had accounts of monkeys lighting on fire from just sitting on these telegraph wires. Oh, wow. People were starting to go crazy, and anxiety and traversal was invented. So, am I saying that anxiety doesn't exist? No, what I'm saying is the way we think about anxiety needs to be rewired, open-intended, because

We are very sensitive to these fields, right? And our heart, which also has tons of calcium in it, the work of Dr. Martin Paul, he's shown how EMFs affect us through voltage gated calcium channels in our body. So if you ever have a heart condition, right, you know, sometimes you may be given a calcium channel blocker. That's the same reason why you may be experiencing anxiety.

when you're around these fields. And the easiest way to tell, I tell people, go camping or go even for a night, get out of your area, and then come back and see how you feel. Because I know my wife and I, we like to go camping every now and then or last time. We were away, we like to do what's called a digital detox. We come back. The first town we hit, we're like, oh, what is this feeling? Oh, right.

This is what it feels like to be in an electro smile. So that's the easiest way to then sensitize yourself and understand how you're feeling.

Got it. And it's funny, Jack Cruz and Dr. Sarah Pew talk about the heart being more than just a pump. They talk about it being this center of magnetism and this force, you know, magnetic force that we create, this field. So I'm not surprised the heart gets affected. Can we just jump out of the house for a second and let's talk about electric vehicles? They must be creating a hell of a field. What the hell is going on there?

Great question. Yeah, so they do generate, depending on the model, you know, so I don't want to put them all down and depending on the individual, because I have a colleague, he drives a Chevy Volt, and he says he feels fine in it. Now, some people, they feel these electrical fields more than others. It doesn't mean that they're not affected.

But I know the Tesla vehicle, a building biologist, also out of Santa Fe, and a medical doctor, her name is Sharon Goldberg. And I created an article to show how this is measured that she took what's called a Gauss meter. And that's a meter that measures a magnetic field. And she brought that into a Tesla, even with the engine off.

And it was generating something like over 1,000. It was on the extreme level of magnetic fields. Why is that important? Because our brain, we have iron in our brain. Iron is magnetic. So there's even been studies showing how people with Parkinson's need to avoid magnetic fields or anybody with Alzheimer's because

Linking the MPP toxin, it's a toxin that can be toxic to people Parkinson's, and how these magnetic fields can then exacerbate that. And there's even things like the way proteins fold in our brain.

That can be affected right by magnetic and electrical fields. So basically, yeah, electrical vehicles are probably the worst. They're, you know, they're not sustainable. They're not eco-friendly. We're basically raping the earth for lack of a better term for all these minerals.

Anything with a, that's just mechanical, like older cars, probably way healthier for you. Um, and again, it's not about being backwards or, or being, um, you know, on the right side, it's about whether you care about your health or not. Oh, and that's what I care about. If electrical vehicles are healthy, I'll drive one. But, uh, yeah. So, and also a lot of these vehicles too, they've taken out the radio.

the FM and AM radio because they've noticed that that also generates dirty electricity and the vehicle is even more. So all these gadgets in the vehicle are leading to overall EMF too. And now around the topic, my colleague Keith Cutter

who's based in Montana. He has a company called EMF Remedy. He's measured himself and he actually healed himself from electromagnetic poisoning. He has an amazing story. He measured these vehicles, the newer vehicles, they have the backup cameras and sensors on the side. Those are all in the 5G frequency around 20 to 40 gigahertz.

Oh, so I always, I'm driving. I know it sounds crazy, but you know what? Again, it's my health and everything adds up. I keep a good 10 feet away. I used to be from New Jersey. I used to be like tailgating people, you know, full testosterone 20 year old. And now I'm like, no, I'm going to keep my distance from you because yeah, I know those cars are also generating tons of electromagnetic fields. So I know I'm just a bucket of good news, but you know what? Like the more we know, the better, you know,

You know, you know better, you do better, right? Like to say. No, it's good to know. I mean, the thing is, um...

Like, I'll be honest with you, before I woke up to a lot of this nonsense and I'm still awakening. I'm not, I'm not awake. I'm awakening. I did get an electric car because, you know, tax efficient and blah, blah, blah. Now I'm going to try and get rid of it. And my friend, Jeff by his car, he's got YouTube channel. I'm going to, I'm going to ask him to help me get a really, really old secondhand car, you know, because yeah, I just, I don't care. I don't care.

I couldn't afford a flash car anyway, but I just want to get something that is just reliable and not toxic. Um, let's go back into the house now. So we talked about dirty electricity. It's really funny. I'm really glad you've said this because I've unplugged all the chargers near my, my head. I mean, our room is very small. My wife has still got her phone charger on her side of the bed. I'm going to speak to her tonight until I charge it in the hallway or downstairs. We need to get an old fashioned alarm clock with bells and whatnot.

And the other thing as well is we have got a circuit for upstairs bedroom and whatnot. So I could literally flip the switch, turn it off. So I'm going to look into that. But let's go back to things like phones now. So phones give off an electromagnetic frequency. You've got 4G, 5G. I've turned my phone so that I've gone to the settings. So it's only on 3G, 4G. So it doesn't go on 5G. Would you recommend that everybody does that?

It's better than nothing. Obviously, absolutely. If you can have a 3G phone, it's going to be better for you. That being said, every person is different. So all of us react to different frequencies in a different way. And these waveforms, depending on what frequency it is, are going to behave differently. So 3G is a longer wave. So why is that important?

Because it has a better chance of penetrating walls and penetrating objects. 5G is a shorter wave. However, it can be beam formed or lasered into your house on demand. And that's an extremely, if it can penetrate an instead extremely intense

EMF that our bodies have a hard time dealing with. So yeah, I would say if you can stick with 3G, it's good. My wife and I, we actually share a phone and I don't use it for texting or anything. I actually use it as a computer.

You can airplane mode is an option. But even having phones on airplane mode, believe it or not, they still emit radiation. And why they do that? Yeah, because they have tons of processors in them. They have a chip that's constantly running. They have a compass in there that's constantly running.

So always in the background, these phones are the microphone that may be up to three microphones that are constantly listening, depending on your model. Wow. So these phones, they're never right. No rest for the wicked, right? So, so that's just something obviously I don't want to be, you know, have perfect be the enemy of the good. But I actually will just, so we have our phone, we put it in a little cookie tin.

And I shut it off. I put it in a cookie tent and I put it in the garage at night. And that's it. And then I know at least, I don't have to worry about it, right? So I was going to like, sorry, the cookie is.

Very cheap. You know, you can get it at the dollar store, right? For a dollar, two dollars, right? And that's enough. Because I was going to ask you, like, for someone who's on the go, commuting, working, has to have the phone for work, but can put it away for time, is there a kind of wallet that you can buy? Some kind of like Friday wallet or some kind of thing that will block the signals?

Yes. Great question. There are a lot of Faraday fabrics out there. There's a company called Les EMF. It's all one word. The Les EMF.com, they make some. The Faraday bag though, it's porous, so it's going to work, but if your phone is on,

It's not, you know, like a lot of people, they buy these ferriti bags, I know, and they'll keep the ferriti bag in their pocket and they think they're okay. But that phone, if it's on, it could be struggling to get a signal even more if it's being blocked. So that's why I like to put the phone at least on airplane mode or have it off.

and then put it in the Faraday bag. Because if it's on, you're not going to be protected. You may not get a phone call, right? And it'll stop some of the radiation. But I like the cookie tin example. And if you do get a Faraday, which is okay, always test it, right? So call your cell phone, put it in there, and call it from your landline or call it from your wife's cell phone, whatever, just to make sure it's working, right? Because if it's not working and it's leaking,

Then you're exacerbating the issue because now that phone is going to try to be able to get the signal even better or it's going to the ability for it to get a signal as weekend. So it's going to be generating even more power to try to get reception. I can vouch for this. I can vouch for this because a friend visited me last week and said, Oh, look at my little.

Faraday pouch thing. I was like, great. And they're like, see, like, try calling me. And it won't, it won't get a message to put the phone inside. And, um,

We checked and it got through. And he was like, as is possible. I was like, well, it's not working. He goes, no, but I did it at home. And I did it at home and it did work. And I was like, well, maybe it's erratic and sometimes it works and something like that. But it's not working now. And then we swap phones. I put my phone inside it and it still leaked. So he was a bit disappointed. He was gutted. Yeah, I'm sorry. Well, hey, at least you have a friend that's aware of these things, right?

That's why I like the cooking. I would say all my friends are awake. I've gone through, Roman, I've gone through a process where I didn't have that many friends before and I've had to let them all go and now suddenly I've got a shit ton of friends and they're all awake.

No, I can't complain. I'm happy. I'm in a good place. Anyway, for you. So yeah, so there's phones, airplane, put them in a wallet, put them in a cookie tin, put in a garage. And look, not everyone's got a big house. Not everyone's got a garage. I don't have a garage. I live in a small cottage.

I mean, there's no sound installation. I mean, that's why I had to build this garden studio. No way I could do podcasts in my house. Tiny two bedroom cottage. But I mean, I can, I can figure out ways to just put the phone as far away as possible. And I've already started doing that. You know, I leave my phone downstairs on airplane mode. And most nights I have the Wi-Fi off. But about three nights at the week, the Wi-Fi is on because the reality is I'm uploading my podcast overnight.

Because during the day I'm having chats and you know the podcast takes about six hours to upload sometimes seven hours. So during the day, for example, doing this podcast, while it's uploading, it would crash the internet. There's not enough bandwidth. So normally I do it overnight, but I need to figure out some way of working my schedule around it so I can always switch the Wi-Fi off because

I don't know if it's just me, Roman, just imagining it, but I feel like the days that the Wi-Fi is off, I sleep better for the night. And I don't know whether it's just me or not, but I do think that.

Anyway, moving on. Sorry, you're going to say. Sorry, can I just make two quick points on that? So with you saying Wi-Fi, you sleep better, the reason for that, again, to go back to the Hertz, 60 Hertz, Wi-Fi runs, most Wi-Fi runs on 2.5 or 2.45 gigahertz.

That is literally two and a half billion times per second. Your brain is perceiving something versus the 60 times per second or eight times per second. We were meant to perceive we've been perceiving signals for hundreds of thousands of years. Now for the last.

50 years or 40 years, we've been perceiving at 2.5 billion times per second. While you're trying to sleep, your brain is supposed to operate at that level. There's a reason why. Of course, you're going to need to feel better. The other thing is, with stuff like hardwiring, there are adapters and things people can use, even plugging into the wall.

Um, it basically converts the power to a data source. You can plug it right into your wall and then run an ethernet cord from that, from that outlet. And that's something I don't use personally, but I know a lot of people like that too. So I just wanted to mention that. And again, not an affiliate for it. What would that be that you would have to look for? Like what would that be called? Yeah, it's called a net gear power line adapter. Uh, net gear, any T G E R.

Yeah, GE AR. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I'll probably run like around $100. But so that changes your Wi-Fi into an ethernet, ethernet cable. Yeah, exactly.

Exactly. So that's, that's something. And I haven't used these things personally, but I do know people who use them and they like it. So, so what's the Wi-Fi? Um, I mean, the Wi-Fi goes throughout the whole house. So even if I use that thing, the net gear, you're still getting the Wi-Fi going throughout the house, aren't you? Or is it amplified? Once you then you work on your laptop and using the Wi-Fi there, do you get double hit? How does it work? Like why would that net gear thing help me? Yes.

Well, it would just be a faster download, right? So then it wouldn't that way you wouldn't have to wait for Wi-Fi to upload everything, right? It could be a faster process for you. But yeah, the Wi-Fi would still be going. Yeah, there's other routers out there, Wi-Fi routers that

that can be turned on, turned off only when needed to. There's like a, it's called the JRS Eco Router. And one of my EMF students, he just bought one and he's testing it out. So I'm waiting to see what he thinks about that, but.

Yeah, the, um, yeah, I, you know, that's, that's the struggle. Cause when I, we had Wi-Fi about eight years ago and it would cut out this, that it would take forever. Now that everything's hardwired, everything, like, instead of just downloads, like instantly, you know what I mean? That's instant download. Right. Yeah. Yeah. The funny thing is the Wi-Fi hub that we've got from BT.

I don't know if I can actually, everything is connected to the hub and then the ethernet comes from that. I don't know how I can connect the ethernet directly to the line. And that's the thing. So when you turn off the Wi-Fi hub, even the ethernet will die, if that makes sense. Yeah, right. So there's no way to, yeah, you would have to,

Right. Because right now you have, do you have a, yeah, even if you had a switch with extra cables running off of it, right? If you turn it off, there are certain routers that have the ability to be hardwired and be, um, and run off Wi-Fi that you can shut off Wi-Fi on demand on an actual router. Um, so that's, that's another way of doing it. But yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah.

Yeah, I might have to ask my provider. This is another thing. I just feel like they're just trying to poison us and make life difficult as possible. I swear to God.

Yeah, I know, no, that's, no, for sure, for sure. I mean, I asked my provider and I was able to buy a router for about $100 and this was, you know, so I didn't have to pay the rental fee or anything. And I bought that router probably like our same mood. I'm technically it's a modem. I bought it for a hundred bucks. And yeah, I verified that it works. And yeah, I don't have any issues with it really. Sweet. Okay.

So we've talked about dirty electricity. We've talked about 5G, 3G, Wi-Fi. Is there anything else? I mean, I've heard people talk about buying certain types of crystals and they absorb the Wi-Fi. I've forgotten the name of it. And to me, I wasn't sure if it was just BS and people try and make money. You know, you buy these crystals or you buy these things and you place them around the house and they'll absorb all the EMF. What do you think of all that kind of stuff?

Well, I think, you know, there's a couple of things. First, there's a placebo effect, which is very strong. So if it helps you sleep at night, I say, okay, that's great. However,

Um, electromagnetic fields are, I'll just put it this way. They are one followed by 36 zeros. Uh, I think it's undecilient is the actual, uh, term. That's it. Shung height. Sorry. Shung height. Okay. Yeah. So.

Shungite, you know, so there have been accounts of even bees taking shungite back to their hives. Shungite is magnetic. So if you want to scroll on a touchscreen, it'll actually, you can scroll with a shungite rock because it is magnetic. So there are certain properties with shungite. It will absorb certain magnetic fields. However,

What magnetic fields is it absorbing? Is it attracting more? And where are you keeping that? Because if it's absorbing things and you're keeping it in your pocket, well, is it attracting more to you?

Yeah, so I mean, you know, so there's a lot of things. I mean, people love pendants and these kinds of things. But you have to remember that these fields, a lot of them, they go right through our body. Like if they can go through a brick wall, even some magnetic fields can go through lead, some of them.

What do you think a little crystal is going to do, right? Like now, that being said, there's something to it because the Egyptians, they built these pyramids that we still don't understand today how they built it, right? Right. And these, a lot of theories out there, right, but they are massive.

power generating structures that harness the electromagnetic fields of the constellations above them. This is my understanding of Sirius and of the cosmos, of light frequencies and cosmic rays coming in to then channel this energy effectively.

to the surrounding area. So then total regeneration, farming, agriculture could take place. And so there is a way to use shape and to affect frequencies.

Are we the Egyptians? Do we know how to do this? That's the question, right? Because a little pendant on your chest is nothing like a pyramid, a true pyramid. So I don't want to discount the field totally, but I do think it leads to a false sense of security. I think it's great that awareness is being raised, but I think it's kind of like taking a pill, right? It's like, oh, rather than working out, rather than looking at the electrical wiring over your home,

which is actually if it's done the wrong way, you can have magnetic fields, you can have all kinds of issues. Rather than looking at that or having a good boundary with your technology, not having your phone at the dinner table, I'll just have a pendant on my chest and forget about it, right? I'm not going to say it's not helping, but I think it's doing more harm than good.

Right. Listen, if you were building your own house, if you're going to build a house from scratch, how would you design the Wi-Fi? No, not the Wi-Fi, the ethernet, the electricity. How would you design it? What would the house look like? A quick sketch.

That's a great question. Well, everything would be, it would probably be in a valley somewhere close to water, because it was surrounded by trees. Because normally, the electronegative frequencies, they will travel on higher points. And I would look for an area that has red granite, because red granite is an electrical insulator. So that would be the grounding part of it.

And I would probably have the house. I like the dovey style of homes. I always love the Southwest, but these are, you put a lot of thermal mass between you and the outside environment. So, you think about like a nuclear bomb blast, right? How are those governments have their facilities and mountains, right? And there's a reason for that because that mass absorbs radiation.

just like those homes absorb solar radiation during the day and then give off that heat at night when we need it most. So I love that construction. There's also what's called rammed earth and straw is great. There's homes in Germany that are I think they've been built into 1500s and some of them are still standing.

And that's because they use the natural materials that allow the home to breathe. Again, going back to how we are living beings, our homes need to breathe too. And rock is porous, straw is porous. So that's letting the energy flow through our homes. So I tell people, if you're in an office,

because they want to get, you know, their light and stuff like that. I said, if you have your window closed, that's not going to do anything because most windows block UV, which can be beneficial. Actually, a block half of infrared, which can be beneficial. I say, just crack that window a little bit because light is particle, right? So it'll come through. So my point is we need to let these buildings breathe.

And we need to let the light in. And that's what these older structures allow for us to do. But yeah, the first thing, I would definitely look for what you're building it on. Build it by a body of water. I would hire a dozer that you can trust. And a dozer is somebody that kind of measures the direct current DC magnetic field of the Earth.

And then they can kind of tell you, okay, this has a good area for regeneration. If you see a lot of birds, that's a good sign. You know, not crows necessarily, but like, you know, little chickadees and stuff like this. I know it sounds like, okay, we're making this up, but it's just common sense, right? If you see a lot of life there, that's probably a good sign.

I love it. And would you have electricity like in one or two rooms in one place or, you know, how would that be? Oh, sorry. Yeah.

Um, so yeah, we definitely probably, I would run everything in what's called a MX sheath. So that's, um, it's, it's what most commercial buildings do. They, they have all their electrical wiring in case in metal conduit. And what that does is that kills the magnetic field of the wire. Cause most homes have conduit. There's just,

goes through with just regular plastic, you know, just a bare exposed wire. And that creates magnetic fields that that penetrate out through the wall and into the home. So I would absolutely that would be the first thing. Forget about Wi-Fi and everything else. I would have everything encased in that metal conduit.

And then, yeah, maybe run everything to a certain corner of the home, you know, one outlet in each room, like, you know, so I'm not an electrician, but that's what I would do. I would probably leave maybe one area that has no electricity, like a sunroom or some where you can do meditation, because you don't want that disturbance. And yeah, you know, and then,

Just just go from there. I mean, there's things like three way switches that there are light switches that control the lights in multiple rooms. Those can create a lot of dirty electricity and high magnetic fields. I would probably not do those. I would just have a one light switch forever room if you want to.

There's also cutoff switches you can install in your bedroom that all you have to do is flip the switch and it cuts the power to your bedroom so you don't have to get up with your camping headlamp and go to the garage or area where your circuit breaker is and shut off your power everything like I do. You just have a cutoff switch installed. So yeah, that's another thing. And my bucket listening, I would definitely, if I were building a home,

If I, you know, when I can afford it, I should say, I would get quartz windows everywhere. Because quartz actually let in all the full spectrum of sun into your, into your house. And that's really what you want. Then you can, then you can have the best in both worlds, right? You'll have really cool, lightly tinged purple windows and you can be inside, you know, it's all about bringing the inside in and the inside out now, right? The world is turned upside down. So that's how we need to think.

I love it. I love it. You mentioned also, um, and one of your emails, you know, the fact that EMS and had effect child psychology. Why did you mention that? Well, so growing up as a kid, um, so I guess my, um,

just to kind of share a personal thing. I remember being 10 years old and seeing my first porn magazine, right? Seeing penthouse, right? And being 10 years old, you're like, what is that? Like this? What? And then you're like, oh, wow, what is that, right?

So that was just a magazine that was paper, right, that I had to like hide from somebody, you know, from like an elder if they saw me with it at 10 years old. So I'm like, I shouldn't have this, right? But now these kids, they have something that not only are they not hiding that has been given to them all the time, that is spiking their dopamine constantly. And dopamine, what is that? That's, you know, people refer to it as a pleasure chemical, but it's Andrew Huberman,

I like his definition. He refers to it as the hormone of more. Like give me, it's not only does it feel good, give me more of that. So that's very important because now you want, you keep doing it, right? And you want more and more. So don't, so don't be as created from the blue light. Now this is another EMF and this is the one that I really like to focus on the most. This is the one that we forget about.

The blue light, because light itself is an electromagnetic force, generated from these phones, has no red light paired to it. So what does that do to us? Well, it spikes our dopamine so fast.

It's like, and Andrew Weibrow, who is a neuroscientist and UCLA, they took brain scans of people, of children, I should say, that played video games. And they showed that there was a very little activity in the one that was playing video games all the time.

And this relates to dopamine, too, because when you're constantly spiking your dopamine with the blue light, you'll eventually deplete your dopamine score. So children are being... So why is that important for children even more apart from the addictive aspect? Because as they grow older, neurodegeneration can be created

when we don't have what's called enough of the neuromelanin, which Jack Cruz got me onto, but neuromelanin is a pigment that's very deep in our brain. A lot of us use it to regenerate, right? We need infrared light and red light, but that neuromelanin, we create melanin from dopamine. So if we don't have enough dopamine, we're not going to create melanin. And melanin is way more than a pigment. It's basically what regenerates our whole body. The darkest thing. So we don't have melanin. The darkest thing. Exactly. Yeah.

Exactly. So that's why it's so important too for these children, because if they start losing that neuromelinate early, and I think that's why we're seeing a lot of early onset Parkinson's, because we've been surrounded by these fields, not just from our cell phones, from our TVs, our computer screens. So that's something that really needs to be addressed. And I think

With the social media thing, there's a huge thing now. It's almost virtuous to talk about social media and how it's addictive. So we're finally admitting this. And, you know, my wife and I watched a documentary called the social dilemma. And it was very well done. And it talks about how the Silicon Valley execs, they admit it. They said we created this. It's addictive, but not in one instance that they mentioned.

the radiation or the light, the how it's being, you know, they're saying the algorithms, right? This abstract algorithm, right? But it's the radiation and the light itself that is the primary assault, I think, to the children's brains. Because again, we are magnetic. Our brains have magnetite in the actual brain. Our eyes are being affected. So that's something that's literally magnetizing children.

That's what you're describing, Roman, is limited hangout. So they've given you a little bit of truth and said, that's a problem. But they've done that to conceal the bigger truth that they don't want to know about, which is what you've just said about the light and the magnetism. It's the ultimate example of limited hangouts. Like, oh, look, yeah, we've got the algorithm. It's very addictive. Ha, ha, ha. It's very bad for you.

The main problem is the blue light, the fact you're hooked onto these screens and depleting your dopamine.

Yes, yes, yes, yes. 100% agree with you. Right. Yeah. My friend, I could talk to you forever. I would love you to come back maybe next year. This podcast I'm so backed up isn't going to probably go live for about two months. I'm going to have links on my sub stack to your sub stack when I do get rent publishing it and your podcast, the power couple podcast.

and whatnot. But listen, my last question of the day, unless there's something you feel that I've missed, and really important that we talk about, my last question would normally be, if you're on your deathbed, you know, in your hundreds, surrounded by your loved ones, very comfortable, about to meet your maker, before you pass on, what words of wisdom and advice would you give to your loved ones? That's a great question. I would say,

just be yourself and be okay with being yourself, listening to silence, walking, being able to laugh.

and being able to stare somebody in the eye and be present. And those are all my little pieces of advice, but, you know, we hear it all the time, but I would just say, yeah, be yourself and get outside. That would, you know, get outside because what's going to help those children and the elders and all of us with this blue light is seeing the sunrise, seeing the sunset.

That is what we need more than ever. And I know we're doing this podcast in front of a computer screen, but guess what? I'm outside every morning out there. In winter, summer, it doesn't matter. And so just get outside and be able to hug more, right? All the basics, that's what I would say.

Love it. I love it. I love the hugging as well. I'm known for my hugs. Listen, Roman, God bless you. Honestly, it's been lovely chatting to you. You're a good soul. I know that. I can feel it. And thank you. Thank you so much, OK? Thank you. Yeah, thank you for your time.