#255 - Supporter Stories

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And it's the original name. You could be Jewish. You could be Muslim. You could be anything. All right. Anyway, listen, Sarah, Sarah, Sarah, Sarah. I've never asked this like on one of my supporters stories before, but actually I'm going to ask you this question. Why are you supporting me? OK, so I think when you fall into a niche category of not following the norm or the trend,

it's isolated and i think like in terms of i suppose my dad was always the kind of person that thought outside the box and he says don't believe everything you see on the tv don't believe what it tells you this isn't real i was always brought up with this awareness within the family that it's not what it seems really and then with nine eleven i was watching the news and i just think another this makes sense.

You know, I remember at the time, this doesn't make sense. This doesn't make sense. But it was never covered in the social media like it wasn't exposed like things are exposed today.

So I suppose through social media, it's been able to connect people with through algorithms like minded people together in a way that in the past, you would have been more isolated and you wouldn't have that kind of connection. Everyone thought the Muslims were terrorists. They did this. They did that blah, blah, blah, because the TV said, and then that was the end of that. And you had nobody really to relate to or talk to outside that group.

in terms of your own family or your own kind of community. And so I think it's social media has helped connect people with who are like minded. But why support me then?

Um, the medical background is always, I suppose, security because you have the medical background. So you trust that information. So with the vaccines, it's like, I something in my gut wasn't right. It's like, I felt, I don't trust this. And it was just like a gut instinct. It didn't sound like any other vaccine.

And I've not opted in for all vaccines. I've had some vaccines. My son has had some vaccines, but I haven't given him MMR. So I stopped at that point as early as that, because I saw alarm bells with other people that had had vaccines and with me working in school. It is just observationally through working in school, the amount of SCN going through school is increasing. There's an awful lot of SCN was there before, like special needs.

Oh, special educational needs like autism, behavioral difficulties, allergies. And it wasn't like that when I was in school. And I'm, you know, so it's just really bizarre that it's on the increase. And then the class that I'm in at the moment, the air group, they are a really difficult year group. And one of the tables in particular is like you could call it the autistic table, because all the children on that table have some kind of autistic trait, which is. Are you a teacher?

I am a qualified teacher, but I'm working as a teaching assistant level degree. You're supporting me because basically you share a lot the same values and opinions as me. And you thought,

Do you know what? I'm going to support this guy because he's saying the right things. Yeah. And I suppose saying the right things and it's the medical like I've noticed things medically generally that just doesn't make sense. You've noticed those things and with having the medical background, it gives you just that bit more, I suppose pedigree. You know, it's a trusted source.

Whereas if I tell people, for example, oh, it's a gut instinct. I don't want this vaccine. It doesn't feel right, which is what I've told people honestly at work, as if it doesn't feel right. I said, I know more people that have had side effects than have had problems with COVID.

I said, so it doesn't sit right with me. And it's just, I remember a couple of times I thought, oh, I'll book it online and see how I feel the vaccine in the early days. And I'd book it. And I'd just get this really bizarre feeling that this isn't right. And then I'd cancel it. And then I'd try, okay, let's see about Pfizer. Do I feel any different with Pfizer? So I'd book it at the centre that did Pfizer.

And again, I had this weird feeling and I was like, nah, it's not for me. And that's what I can tell people. But because you have the medical knowledge and the understanding of research and you've been to medical school.

It just gives that pedigree. If somebody says to me, well, how do you know this? I said, well, I've watched this podcast with Doc Malick. He's a doctor and a surgeon. And if you look at the guests that he interviews, it gives you relevant information that will explain it probably better than I can explain it. And, you know, and then there's none of that excuse at all. Well, you're not a doctor. How do you know type thing? So I suppose if that it's that pedigree.

Yeah, I don't know about that pedigree. I think, sadly, the indoctrination is still so strong that if you're a doctor, then that's all you're in a pedestal, you're a doctor, that's, you know, you're special. And I might as well use that advantage and just, you know, even though I don't believe it anymore.

No, I know. I know. I know. I don't think doctors are special. I don't think they should be treated as special. I think part of the problem that we face today is that we put people up on pedestals, whether it's, you know, lawyers or politicians or media influencers and celebrities and sports people. And, you know, for example, I was having a conversation with someone yesterday and they were like, Oh, I'm just a housewife. And I said, never, ever, ever say just

you know, you're never just a teaching assistant or just a cleaner or just a builder or just you're never just anything. So this whole hair, our kill thing. I think I'm talking wrong. I'm not a communist. I'm not like everyone's the same. But yeah, you know, you should treat people according to merit.

and their moral integrity and their competencies. That's how you treat people. That's how you respect people. So if you've got a really good doctor who's passionate and caring and wonderful, you have to have a lot of respect. But if you've got a doctor who's a complete scumbag and lazy and corrupt and just shit at their job, treat them like crap, you know, just because they've got a title. So basically what I'm trying to say is respect the individual do not respect a title.

Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, it makes perfect sense. But people respect the title of a doctor. So I might as well, well, I've got all that training, that knowledge and background, but you know, I'm very unorthodox. I just got a text message this morning, Sarah, and it was really lovely. Look, what do you think of this? Our frank conversation in January of this year has changed my life. I'm off all statins and blood pressure medications. Thank you so much.

And that's because I just told them how to be healthy and how to get off their meds. Yeah, and that's brilliant. And it's just happened that I think so many people, like you said, the indoctrination, they just follow what they're told.

And they don't think for themselves. We've lost so many people have lost the ability to be a critical thinker. And I think that's that's key. You have to be able to question things and think carefully. Because I'm as well, I suppose like I've had inconsistencies with the medical industry myself. Like, for example, when I was little, I was one of those children that had loads of ear infections.

Um, and they wanted, and I had a perforated eardrum. So I went deaf in one ear for a till it healed. Um, but everything's fine. Um, but they wanted me to have grommets put in and put them, my father did his own research and he says, well, what I've read children grow out of this in any way.

And if you eat hard fruit, if you eat crunchy things, blow balloons, it helps clear your tubes. You know, so that's what I used to do. I used to eat lots of apples, lots of carrots. And because when you read about grommets, what you find is that it says you're more prone to ear infections.

When you have grommets in it, don't get your ears wet. So all the things that you're trying to resolve are a side effect of having the grommets. So I never had them. So that was like my first experience, I suppose, when I was little, then when I was a little bit older,

I had a seizure when I was about, I suppose, 27. And it was out of the blue, had a seizure, it was in my sleep. So when I came to, I thought it was just, I had just woken up because I was still in bed. But I had the ambulance people there, the paramedics, my father was there, my mother was there.

And I was taken to hospital, had a scan. And I was thinking, I remember going in for the scan and thinking, they're looking for a brain tumour. That's what they're looking for. You know, because why would I randomly have a seizure? It kind of like dawned on me at that moment. But it turned out there was nothing. And the neurologist said, you've got epilepsy, you have to take this medication for the rest of your life, lemoteurine. And I just remember thinking, do I really have epilepsy?

like questioning it because it was one isolated seizure and I was looking at my lifestyle and I am a healthy person but I was being healthy excessively and I was drinking ridiculous amounts of water, ridiculous.

So I thought maybe I've diluted my electrolyte, maybe my brain swelled a bit because I drank too much water. I was going over the top with water. And I put that to the neurologist. And he was like, nah, nah, nah, you've got epilepsy. Just make sure that you don't drive for a year, that you don't lock yourself in the bathroom and take this medication and slowly increase it to such and such a dose over the course of the next few months. But you'll be on it for life. I didn't even finish the prescription.

I thought, no, I don't, you know, believe what he's saying. And I didn't finish the prescription. I cut down on my water and I've not had a seizure since. Oh, amazing.

There's so many lessons there. So one, yeah, water toxicity is a real thing. And, you know, we used to be told drink two liters a day. And no, actually, I think you drink when you're thirsty. I think just listen to your body. Drink when you're thirsty. You don't need to drink too much. A good guide is also, you know, you're urine. If it's really dark and smelly, you probably need to drink more. If your tongue gets dirt-furred, that's not good. So drink as much as you need. But, you know, don't drink

Successfully like you just said, and also when you drink, make sure this electrolytes in it. So it's not just pure water. And the other thing is, well, the way the doctor treated you, do you know how many times I've heard that over the years? And like so many times, the doctor being dismissive. And the reason again is, I think partly it's because of this whole

imbalance the power structure where the doctor is on that high pedestal looking down at you. And when you come up with, you know, you're innate, that instinct and think and say, like, this is what my body's telling me. Instead of the doctor being equal and a partner and listening to you and going, Hmm, yeah, well, that might be a possibility. It might be worth looking into.

It's a dismissive attitude because of the hubris and arrogance because they're up there. You're just down there. You're just down. You're nothing. So it's like, no, of course, it's not that. No, don't be silly. Here, take a medication. And this is what I mean. We cannot continue like this. We can't have a whole profession up in a pedestal, but it's been engineered. I'm sure it's been engineered like this. So that

You've got that authority figure that you do not question and we're indoctrinated through the schooling system. You know, the teachers don't question the teachers. Just don't ask questions. We need to break that. We need to break that.

And it is, it's all levels, because even I think I've mentioned bits to you as well, like over messaging, it's like, like being in education, like we have to do this training every year, one of them is child protection. So you can look for signs of abuse, which is fair enough. And another one is prevent, which is the looking out for signs of radicalization.

Now I work with primary school children, you know, so it's very unlikely that they would fall in that category that they would need to be referred to prevent. But last year in particular, it was so anti-Muslim that prevent training. It's like the only thing missing was if you're a Muslim, you're a terrorist, potentially refer them to prevent.

Really? Yeah, honestly, that's the only thing missing. Like, I was just coming out of the fact that building my confidence again, because everyone in my school got vaccinated about from me and one other person. So you feel kind of like a bit of like the black sheep type person. So I was just coming to the end of like, all everyone was getting COVID. There were lots of people were more questioning about side effects potentially. I was like, okay, I can hold my head up now and go to work as normal. I feel like I'm myself again.

And then I did that training last year and I thought, Oh my God, you know, now I have to go to work and people are going to be thinking I'm a terrorist because this training is so awful. Are you a Muslim? Yeah. Yeah. So I thought this training was so awful. And I just thought, but I didn't. Yeah. So I just want to. So people, people, people think now come back to what you're going to say. I'm sorry for interrupting. People have this.

Some people out there think that society, the establishment, the media is very pro-Muslim. And you can't criticize Islam and Muslims. What's your take? What's your feel? The complete opposite. Why is that?

because it's like there's so much propaganda. If you look at headlines about Muslims, terrorist groups are always labeled as Muslims. The South bought attack was assuming it was immigrants from a Muslim background. Since 9-11, all the walls that have been created in the last, you know, since Bush have all been in Muslim countries as if the Muslims are the terrorists, they're the bad people. And it's like,

Yes, people stand up. They don't like these attacks against the Muslims. But equally, even with the Olympics that we've just had, there was a lot of propaganda against Christianity as well. There was a mocking of the Last Supper in one of the drag queens on that.

But the Muslims didn't like that either. They would complain about that because they respect Jesus, they believed in Jesus and they didn't like that as well. So a lot of people find that funny, they don't realise that Muslims actually really respect Jesus, don't they? Yeah.

Yeah, and they did they just see I think if they don't understand the religion or they don't know that much about religion, I like learning about different people in different cultures. So you assume that sometimes everybody has a knowledge, but not many people do have a knowledge and sometimes they put it in a completely different category like they link it with maybe Hinduism and Sikhism because of there's a lot of Asian Muslims and there's a lot of Asian Sikhs, Asian Hindus, and they don't connect it with actually it's more like Christianity and Judaism.

Yeah, you could argue that Christianity and Islam have got more in common than Christianity and Judaism. If you draw a table with Judaism, Christianity and Islam, and then say, who believes in the Virgin Mary? It's Christians and Muslims. Who believes in Jesus being the Messiah?

It's the Christians and the Muslims who believe that Jesus died in the cross for the people. It's Christians and Muslims who believe that Jesus rose from the dead. It's Christians and Muslims who believe that Jesus then ascended straight to heaven and it's Christians and Muslims who believe that Jesus is going to come back. Yeah, I know. Christians and Muslims. And it's like the Jewish box is empty.

I know they're still waiting for the Messiah, but I think that's part of like the indoctrination as well is that the West is becoming more and more of a secular society.

So they've already kind of distanced them from their Christian kind of like upbringings or the roots of Christianity. So they don't kick up as much of a fuss if there's any kind of propaganda against Christianity. But it's the labeling. So even like the labeling of things is like, if it's a Muslim, they're a terrorist straightaway. Whereas you wouldn't say that about a Zionist Jew. You see, there's always this kind of like very careful wording when there's terrorist acts by other groups.

but any kind of group in society has the potential to be a terrorist.

Well, the thing is, yeah, I mean, we're we're talking some other things and it's really important. So for example, recently, there's an M Lebanon, all these pages have gone on for people who were Hezbollah and the things Hezbollah is a political party. So a lot of people are a political party, the civilians, they're out there with their families around children. These pages have all exploded and they've killed innocent people, families, children, maimed hundreds, thousands, right?

Can you imagine if like Lebanon did that to Israel? Imagine doing the opposite. Imagine all these Israeli reservists, all these people in the IDF or whatever, or a political party, and all their pagers went off while they're at home, while they're in the streets and the shops, children died. Can you imagine the outrage?

You know, yeah, exactly Islamic terrorism, you know, killing innocent Jewish people in Israelis and blah, blah, blah. And oh my God, it's the biggest attack on us since you know when and how they're so evil and they're so barbaric. They're, they're cold blooded. They don't give a damn about us. And look how they kill and destroy us.

But when it happens in Lebanon, it's like, yeah, well, their heads blah. It's fine. Yeah, I know. It doesn't matter. Yeah, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Who cares? Yeah. And it's like, what? I know. Can't you see the double standards? Can't you see the hypocrisy? Yeah. Sorry, you're saying it's all right. No, it's just people seem to be very comfortable with like, we're very comfortable with accepting the horrors of past governments, like the slave trade, et cetera, blah, blah, blah.

but what the Nazis did. But when it's happening now, people can't accept it. They think that we're good now. So they fall for the propaganda every single time the majority of people fall for the propaganda. And saying if the government were bad before, and they were bad 100 years ago and 50 years ago and 200 years ago, why do you think they're not bad now? Has anything changed?

You know, and that's, you know, how it is because like even like my partner, he's a personal trainer. So like his, one of his, he's got a couple of Jewish clients and they don't like Netanyahu and they're against what he's doing and everything like that. And they said, but you know, they did find tunnels underneath the ground. But then I'm thinking, but it's Palestine and they've been occupied.

Don't they have a right to defend themselves in whichever way they can try to? Yes, not even that. I've heard, I've heard that a lot of these tunnels were actually made by those raiders as well, and coming back to what you said about the propaganda, James Delano did a great piece recently. I'm going to read out a little bit of it if you don't mind.

And he goes, OK, so they lied to us about COVID. They lied about global warming, the Titanic, 9-11, the Beatles, vaccine safety, Ukraine, the evolution, the causes and treatment of cancer, October the 6th, January the 7th, 7th of July, the Bolshevik Revolution, the moon landings, Winston Churchill, Sun, Cream, JFK, Viruses, Princess Dye, seat owes, Charles Darwin, Spanish flu, cholesterol, the early history of Britain, AIDS, the translations of the Bible, the Crusades, the Federal Reserve, the Lucy Aetana,

Mary Curie, Hollywood Mother Teresa, the Summer of Love, the Vietnam War, the Post of Marathon, and a few other things.

But it's okay. I'm still going to trust them on insert here, which of course, with my prejudices. What a great piece by James down there. I know, I know it's amazing, isn't it? But it's just it's the way people are. But even like like that prevent training last year, I think as a result of it, because it was so open to anyone can be a terrorist that's basically a Muslim. I think there must have been a lot of referrals to prevent and complaints by

education staff that's a Muslim. I think there was a combination of both, because when I did the prevent training this year, they tweaked it. And they kept saying they kept reiterating someone whose Muslim is not a terrorist.

Islamist is different to be in a follower of Islam. And they kept repeating it over and over again. So I'm thinking they must have had a lot of referrals. And before you refer to prevent, you have to go to your head teacher verse, da, da, da, da. And they just kept going on and on and on about it. So I think they must have had loads of referrals and complaints. So they tweaked a little bit, they backtracked. But it's what they always do. Yeah, Sarah, you know, you know, I used to be a Muslim. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I used to be in a cult.

Yeah. Interesting one. Yeah. Yeah. Did you read my sub-stack? Yeah. Yeah. It was quite funny, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so basically, I'm not a Muslim anymore, right? Yeah. But I respect all religions. Yeah. You know, I appreciate that the essence of every religion comes from God. I just feel, in my opinion,

Most religions now are so heavily corrupted by man and are used as tools of propaganda and control through fear and shame and guilt. I frankly don't want anything to do with them anymore. I'm happy to follow the Buddha's teachings and Christ's teachings and

All that kind of stuff, but I'm just not part of a religion anymore. But, you know, I can tell you right now for the 30 odd years that I lived as a Muslim. I met thousands of other Muslims. And I went to lots of different countries from Morocco to Egypt to Kuwait to Pakistan to Indonesia and Malaysia and all that kind of Muslim countries, right? And on holiday and courses and trips and whatever. Never, ever, ever wants to die here from any Muslim

anything negative about Jews or Christians or about hatred towards them or whatever. What's your experience been like? It's the same because you see the Middle East in particular, it's a melting pot. It's a melting pot for all the religions, as well as other religions that don't follow the main branches. And when the Nazis were persecuting the Jews, they could go

to the Muslim countries, the Arab countries. And a lot of them left and they settled there. And they were fine and they were happy. And they were just welcomed. And my dad as well, because you see, my dad's from Egypt. His father was used to work for the British Army. So they traveled a lot. So he was actually born in Sudan, my dad. But they lived in Kuwait since the 1960s. And they used to do road trips. My dad's done two road trips with his dad.

from Kuwait to England by car and boat. Oh, wow. And they, and they went to Israel and will Palestine. And they, and my dad prayed with the Jews at the way in war. And he's been to the mosques in Palestine. And I have the picture of him there by one of their kind of signs. They had a, they took a picture when he was a, you know, a teenager. And they did that. And you could do that. And it's this infiltration from the West constantly creating wars and problems in

I wouldn't say developing countries. I wouldn't call them developing countries. They are misused countries. They've been abused through colonization, had their resources stolen from them, have their systems exploited. Had decent leaders overthrown and corrupt.

Yeah, because back in the day when, for example, we were in medieval Britain and we were using buckets as toilets, there was a thriving sculpture in the Middle East and in those areas. And they had sewage systems, you know, so they were more advanced, the society. And they've kind of just been chipped away at slowly through colonization and just being, like you said, corrupted.

Well, I mean, the classic example is what they did to Libya, the most developed country in Africa, properly developed a rich country where everybody had free housing, free education, free health care, no tax, no tax. And they also got a dividend of all the share, the oil proceeds, the sale. It was incredible. And they bonded back to the medieval ages and there's open-source markets. So when I hear, you know, certain social

celebrities in big profiles but big quick counts come on and go oh we support Judeo-Christian values and all these barbaric Muslims and oh you know they don't share our values and their backwards and they're like terrorists I'm like

These are scum because they're all about division and hatred. You know, there's too many people who fall for this idea. Like a good, they're good people. Most people are good people. And whether they're most people are wherever you are, whether they're Taoist, Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, Christian, most people are good people. And you want most people just want to just get by and life and be happy. But it's the governments and certain horrible people who manipulate

populations to hate another group of people. And it's all about dividing rule. And it's, yeah, just turning people against each other constantly. Constant. And it's, yeah. And it is, it's like, it comes to the point where it's like, it's exhausting, but that's the whole point, because they're trying to just constantly break people down.

so that they're resistant to pushing back all the time. You have to be very resilient to constantly push back all the time. And it's, I mean, as a family, we're not your kind of like typical stereotypical Muslims.

We're different. People look at me, they don't think I'm a Muslim. I don't go around saying, oh, I'm Muslim, this Muslim, that, that, that. I do Ramadan, but I never tell anyone that I'm doing Ramadan. I get on with my job. I never make excuses. Oh, I'm fast and I can't do this. I can't do that. I still do everything. My dad drinks. My mother drinks. My mother's Welsh, by the way. She converted to Islam, but she's not what I would call a practice in Muslim.

So she doesn't pray five times a day. My dad prays time five times a day. He didn't always pray five times a day. I don't pray five times a day. I sometimes do sometimes though. So it's just like, you know, we're very kind of fluid in how, how we are. We're not typical. But I don't think there is such a thing as, I think there is such a thing as a typical Muslim. This is like, there's no such thing as a typical Christian. That's another construct, like stereotypes.

Yeah, there's Muslims. Yeah. Muslims vey in so many different backgrounds. And you're the funny thing. The radicalization has happened because like my mom, my mom has shown me pictures of her when she was in Pakistan as a kid and as a young teenager. And she was wearing like nice tops and bell bottom flares and, you know, just a scarf around her neck.

And she goes, I don't recognize Pakistan now. You go there and everyone's got hijab. And this hijab isn't from Pakistan. And that means to be that way. Yeah, she goes, it's a Middle Eastern thing. They've adopted this Middle Eastern hijab into Pakistan. And she goes, it's so strict now. I don't recognize it. But what happened was Saudi Arabia has a very strict form of Islam called Wahhabism. It's a very small minority, like maybe like 2% of the world's Islamic population.

And they've exported all these mosques and madrasas to all the pure countries and Muslim countries around the world. And then they're teaching and indoctrinating those people. And Saudi Arabia is like an ally of the West.

Yes, it's an ally of the West. And they've been in cahoots with the British for like 200 years. And it's like, you know, why do the British not turn around to the Saudis and say, hey, stop spreading this weird, fanatical, hardcore religion, just calm down a bit, but they don't run out. They don't know because it's by design. They want to see these extremist groups be in positions of power where they can indoctrinate the society that they're in.

So then it justifies what their actions and why they do what they do. 100%. Yeah. Because then you can turn around and go, see, they're a bunch of nut jobs. They deserve it. So for example, the PLO, the Palestinian Liberal or a liberation organization used to be secular. And it was composed of Christian Arabs, Muslim Arabs, and Druze, and other faced, and they were all resisting occupation.

And one of the things that the Israelis were like, well, we can't have this secular group. We've got a bunch of Christian spokesmen and all that. This is going to be difficult to sell to the West that these are bad people. Why don't we get rid of that? Why don't we support and fund a hardcore Muslim Brotherhood fanatical group called Hamas and this evidence that Israel helped form it and fund it.

And then when they came into power, they went, ah, see, they're all a bunch of nut jobs, they're all fanatic, they're all barbarians, we can bomb them to hell now. Yeah, I know, I know. It's not, but it's true.

But it's just when is the evil going to be overthrown? Is it going to happen in our lifetime? That's what I'm waiting for. You know, the truth to come out, you know, even like the truth has come out about the vaccines. But why aren't people angry? Why aren't they? Because they don't repeat it on the news. They don't repeat it. Like everything else, they repeat, repeat, repeat what they want to indoctrinate you with. But they don't repeat the truth that's coming out. And it is. It's really. Yeah. Forget repeating the truth. They never.

Let out the truth ever once. No. Well, they do like little snippets, like I've noticed, like a few times, they might show like something, an element of truth. But it doesn't get the traction. They don't repeat it. They don't look into it. It's like, OK, well, we said it once.

It's not repeated again and then that's it and you know it dies kind of thing because people are so busy. Unless it's repeated over and over again, it doesn't seem to go in. Whereas I find that I tend to pick up on sometimes subtle things that are said as at all they said that but then it doesn't get repeated or it doesn't get traction.

What do you think of this? What do you think of this? This is the problem. So I've said, while billions took the goddamn shots and now want to forget and move on, and that's genuinely my impression from most people. They don't want to talk about it. They just want to forget. I'm like, millions like me will never let those billions forget and we'll fight to the end of the days to get the truth out.

Yeah, 100% because I've got a friend at the moment. She's quite poorly. She had she was born with a hole in her heart when she and but it wasn't resolved until she was three because they missed it because of her age. And she had it repaired, been fine, been fine, be fine, be fine. And then in the recent years, she's very pro vaccine. So she's had all the vaccines. She suddenly has problems with the heart palpitations.

And but she's been stable. She had the hole in the heart repaired and she's been stable. So she's had all these like palpitations and problems and difficulties, high heart rate on beta blockers on blood thinners. Then she had a procedure done in August, a heart ablation to try and correct the irregular rhythm of her heart. And she was okay for it's been less than a month. And she's a teacher. She works in a school. She works in a private school.

Um, but then two days ago, her heart rate started again, creeping up and up and up and up. So she called the Liverpool hospital, the cardiology department, and they said, well, go to A&E because they all trace your heart and that will be useful information for the cardiologist when you do see one.

So she did. And they kept her in overnight, put her on an extra beta blocker. Now, I'm thinking, has she had, because she would be considered vulnerable, because she's also got now leaky valve. And she's waiting for them to decide whether they have to replace her valve, or if she's too sick to have it replaced.

And which I find quite shocking because she's been under the same cardiologist for 15 years. And he's always said the leaky valve is minor. It's minor. It's minor. So how does it go from minor to severe? All of a sudden. And I'm thinking, has she had some kind of autumn jab?

But it's a conversation you just cannot have with her because she just thinks there to help us. And I'm thinking she's so sick. She's a single person. She doesn't have children. She doesn't have a partner. You know, she's on her own. How is she going to pay the bills if she cannot work? And I'm thinking it's because of the vaccine. Because why, why is she having all these erratic problems suddenly prop up in the last couple of years?

But people like you said, they just don't want to listen and they're blind to it. And they just want to get on and just not have to think for themselves or not even have to admit that they've been foolish or took advantage of. Yeah, exactly. So that comes to the other thing. I said, I'll tell you what it is. Hold on a second. Wow.

I said it's exhausting dealing with so many dumb and indoctrinated people. I know that's a bit harsh and that's a bit harsh. Yeah. I said, yeah, what do you think of this? And let me just share this screen. So I said, many in the world are infected with the woke virus and are also indoctrinated to believe many false narratives through intense propaganda.

They have had the equivalent of a psychological lobotomy. Yeah. It's true. It's true. Honestly, you can't argue with these people. You can't even debate. Forget arguing. You can't even forget even debating. You cannot even just have a conversation with these people.

No, you can't. It's just not happening. Not happening. And it is. And it's completely changed how I perceive a lot of people that I work with now, because I think there's no point in kind of having any deep, meaningful conversations with these people because they're just on a completely different planet. They're alien to me now. I go to work. I do my job. I come home.

I have my freedom to do what I want to talk about the things that I want with my family, with my partner. And then I go back to work and it's just like two and a half days in school. And I suppose you probably feel the same. The one thing you don't miss about work is the politics and the indoctrination and these mindless conversations. I bet you that's

To go back to working for someone again, I think you would find that really, really difficult because two and a half days is about as much as I can take. Sometimes I do a bit extra in the school because they ask me if I can do extra work, etc. There's an element of exploitation because they know that I'm a teacher. I've got a B Ed in education. I studied education for four years. I worked as a teacher.

But I took a break when my son was born just to be there for him and do all the mom things and prioritize that. That was my job when I had him. But you pay for it because then when you try and get back into work, it's so much harder. But I think it's a blessing in the skies because would I want to be in the thick of all that indoctrination and have to teach it? At least the main thing that I do now is I cover lessons when needed, maybe too much because they know that I'm a teacher.

They push it a little bit too much.

At least I can go away and I'm helping children with things that they struggle with, like reading, writing, maths, et cetera. And then I can go home and I have the rest of the week until Monday to recover from what is going on. It's funny. It's universal. So I spoke to this guy last night, Ian, who's a police officer in the States, and I'm talking about what it's like to be a police officer. And he said, the number one problem is the politics.

Yeah. The number one stress that please, you know, I was thinking it'd be the job out there dealing with criminals because now it's politics. Politics is 100%. It's crazy. It's crazy. You know, I need to wrap up now. Yeah. Yeah. It's been lovely, lovely chatting to you. And thank you for your messages and your support. You're a legend. You're a good one. No, no, it's been great. You know, thanks again, like for all your information that you share. You know, you've made a big change in your life to get the truth out there.

And it's valuable. It's really valuable. And I have my routine where, at the end of the week, when I go to the gym, I'm listening to your podcasts.

You know, and it just helps with, like I said, the two and a half days of the week that I feel like I'm in a asylum and then I have my two and a half days where I feel it's like therapy. It is to bring me back to like, oh, you know, it brings me back to where I should be. So it's really, really informative, useful information.

You know, so I love it. Thank you. I'm glad my pleasure. Listen, the final question as you know, you're on your deathbed surrounded by family and loved ones. Very long time from now. Before you meet your maker, what advice are you going to give everyone around you? Trust your inner instincts that got feeling. You have to be in tune with it. So many people are losing the ability to connect with that gut feeling. You have to trust it. It's there for a reason and question everything.

Don't assume that everything you're given is correct and it may not be correct for you. Medicine is not an exact science. So you just have to question everything and do what's right for you. Know your body and stay healthy. Smashing answer. Sarah, God bless you. All right, then. See you then. Thank you.

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It's like, what don't I want to be on camera? Pretty much most places. So the thing is, so I started the podcast with no idea, right? I researched on YouTube about lighting, camera, equipment, switchers, you know, microphone, all that kind of stuff, the feed, the editing. But I got the most basic thing wrong, which was I centered my head here, like here. I was like this.

And someone emailed in to saying, Doc, I love your podcast. But dude, you're making a rookie mistake. Like lift your head up a bit. Send to the camera. Your head should be here. And there's too much dead space. And I was like, really? I'm sure my head needs to be in the middle of the frame, but it's not. So it's meant to be, it's meant to be up here. Maybe with a scene of inside time. So I've forgotten who it was that email me to tell me. But if they're still watching,

God bless you. I just want to say thanks. So yeah, the first thing I try and do is try and get your camera and my camera and kind of married up at the same level. Otherwise it just looks a bit weird, you know? Yeah, no worries. Hopefully most people listen to it. I tend to listen a lot rather than watch. Yeah, well, see, I'm the same because like, I don't know if you remember, you sent me an email once saying, you know, I love listening to your podcast when I'm cleaning the bathroom and stuff like that. Guess what? I'm like no different.

Like seriously, I have my Spotify on. I just play it. Very rarely do I watch it. And you know, today I hovered. I did four cycles of washing. I prepped the kids breakfast and pack lunch. I did the dinner and tea.

School pick up and drop off, wrote a sub stack, edited a podcast, and voila, I'm here now. So, you know, and while I'm doing that kind of stuff, multitasking. And when the kids are at school, I kind of like to, to, oh, I recorded a podcast too. Of course, it's got really... I'm tired. But anyway, guess what, Lee? I've got some exciting news. So, you know, I'm a close key. You know, I'm a close key.

She just rang me right now, very excited saying, Ahmed, the justice bill that they want to pass through, they've put it on pause till March 2026. All the people that we've generated has spooked them and they've been spacked off now. That's good. That's a little one.

Yes. That is a win. We've got to take them where we can. Hell yeah. And I think the same is going to be with the public health bill. Like a shit ton of people have emailed in. I've had so many people say to me, I've emailed, I've emailed, I've emailed, I've emailed. And I think they must be thinking, where the hell are all these emails coming from? Like what? Oh my God, we've been, we've been found, you know, like, oh shit. Yeah, we've been rumbled.

But anyway, Lee and Jerzy, tell me, tell me, tell me your story. Like, this is meant to be your story, support stories, and I've been rambling. Sorry about that.

Well, that's OK. Yeah, my story, well, I contacted you because I just felt I wanted to talk to you about something a little bit different. And I know you have lots of different people on. But really, it was about my journey with alcohol, basically, and no longer consuming alcohol, which is a great place to be, I will say. So please stop me and ask questions if you answer it any time, because you know I like to talk.

Yeah, so I live in Jersey and the Channel Islands and actually I was just looking at something just before I came on and last year in April we were ranked second out of 45 countries in the world for the highest alcohol consumption. Wow! I've got to say it doesn't really surprise me with kind of what I observe and obviously what I took part in as well.

Um, and I think probably starting at the beginning is, um, I was a kid brought up in the 70s and it was all about experience sensible during king. Um, you know, in, uh, sort of giving your child that experience. Um, and maybe it was just me, but, um, my sort of first, um, experience of feeling tipsy, um, I was probably about,

seven away, something like that. And I'm not, it's not about knocking my parents or anything. I can remember being on holiday and drinking water down sangria in Spain and giggling away with my sister. And then I can remember going to barbecues with my mom. And I was about, I was definitely about nine or 10.

And that was the first time I actually fell through a doorway through a drink. I can still remember it like it was yesterday. I thought it was lovely. It tasted lovely what they were drinking. It was quite a sweet, sparkling pink wine. And I used to take the little gold thing out the cork and fill it with wine and then sip out of it. And of course, at the age of nine, you don't really need very much.

really. And then obviously in my teens, probably 14, 15, I can remember going clubbing definitely, probably around 15 drinking Bacardi and Coke in the clubs. And it was very much kind of a going out. And okay, you know, we used to maybe drink a bit at home weekend, not every weekend, it wasn't, it wasn't like that.

Then I turned 18, I went to university, there was obviously considerable amount of drinking at university, it'd probably be definitely three nights a week I would say at least and then when I came back from university it was a bit like

you know in my 20s it was like yes I used to go out but it might be on a Friday or a Saturday. It wasn't really that fast but if it did go out it would have a drink but it probably for me the the spiral down and I kind of talk about how much was drinking in the scheme of things it wasn't a huge amount um but um it was home drinking

which was sort of probably 30s, mid 30s onwards, and that's probably when things kind of spiraled. To be honest, in terms of the frequency, it became more frequent. Had income, it was readily accessible. I could afford to buy alcohol.

So it would, yeah, it probably came to a head for me. I started in my 40s. I'm now in my early 50s and I probably started in my mid 40s. It wasn't so much necessarily how much I was drinking, even though I was drinking more than the safe 14 units a week, which obviously is a nonsense, but I knew I was drinking more than that. But it was more about

feeling that it got to the point where I wanted to have a drink every night, which became a problem for me and that it was. And by the way, I know when we spoke, we talked about the word alcoholic. I really despised that word because I think the images that it conjures up. And to me, you're just an alcoholic in the same way that you are to any drug, sugar, cocaine, marijuana, gambling.

sex, whatever it is that you're addicted to, you're just addicted to the substance. But I'm not sure if it's because it's so such a legal substance that it's had to be given a different name to kind of almost like, if you go down the AA route, sorry, I'm digressing a little bit. But it's like, you're the problem, you're the problem person. It's something about you. Well, no, actually,

I now realise from all the reading and everything I've done, it's the substance that's the problem because it's an addictive substance. Rather than, you know, there being some kind of malfunction in you that, like in everybody else, drink like they do, but you've got this problem. So before you jump into the substance business,

I mean, I think there's also been a change in society and culture. So, you know, when I grew up in the 80s, you know, I used to walk past the pubs, like, and there was one street in Glasgow, Dunbar and Road, where I think there's 40 pubs on that one street, you know. And, you know, drinking was something you did after work, and you went to a pub, and you dragged there with your mates, and then you came home.

Or you went out and you went clubbing in it But you know with the rise of the shops like Majestic and the warehouses you know people and then and the closure of pubs like plug pubs are like closing down like there hardly any compared to the way used to be So instead of being a gathering place social gathering place where it was food and alcohol and cigarettes and chatting and playing darts and whatever And yeah, people just go home and drink at home And I think that's actually more dangerous drink especially drinking on your own

I think that's the actual shift. I always used to. It's a great thing. 100%. I mean, I would always say I wasn't drinking alone because the two cats would be with me, but I had no qualms with having a. If the family went away, I had, you know, I would happily have a drink and not really, you know, think a huge amount of it. So, and yeah, you're absolutely right. I mean, there's a massive shift. It did used to be we would it would.

I saw it a little bit when I was obviously there was home drinking but I wouldn't say when I was younger as in a child but I wouldn't say it was anything like the extent that it is now. So yeah I kind of got into my forties and it became an issue where I wanted

It might be a large glass or one and a half large glass as a wine a night. It wasn't massively excessive. I mean, but that's not me justifying it because a lot of people say, oh, there's a lot of people drink, drink more than me. That's by the by. The problem for me, yes, was the amount because you kind of, you have three, say three to five bottles of wine a week and you're talking anywhere between 27 and 45 units, which is a huge amount. Actually, that's not that much wine.

It doesn't feel that much to drink so I would say that was probably what my consumption was because I didn't really go out lots and lots in my 40s and obviously when I became a mum and things you don't go out as much so that's when the home drinking starts as well. But for me it became as somebody said to me you were aware when you weren't having a drink at night.

And that was absolutely true. It was more if I would wake up every morning, you always feel slightly sub-par. Even if you've had a large glass of wine, three units, you just, you know you had a bit of alcohol night before. I'm not saying it necessarily massively impacts you, your performance and everything else, but you know.

And I'd wake up every morning, I think, I'm not having a drink tonight. Oh god, no, I'm just not gonna do that. And then, as the day wore on in a car, she wore, can you think, oh, I deserve a tree and everything else. And by four o'clock, this internal dialogue started. Not what I wanted to drink at four, but the discussion started about what was gonna happen tonight. It was generally six o'clock was my time when I would be thinking, it's okay to have a drink now.

whilst I was cooking dinner or whatever. And for me, that's what almost became exhausting.

was that internal dialogue on a daily basis. As it's described, I'll talk about sort of how I stopped drinking, but it was a particular book that I read and it was described as taking up too much bandwidth. And that's what it felt like. And I suppose I felt like alcohol had taken control of me, albeit at what felt like a, you know, reasonable normal level. But it was still controlling me because when I chose not to have a drink at night, I felt deprived.

Okay. That's a horrible feeling. That is a horrible feeling. But I need to ask you something. So I know you're saying the substance is a problem. I get that. I get that. Look, I grew up in Glasgow. I've seen

my fair share of alcoholics as a kid on the streets drunk, being sick, walking past vomit, God knows who vomited when, walking past people literally pissing in the alleyways. You know, I grew up in a rough, rough area, empty beer cans, empty cans of tenant lager with, you know, a topless girl on one side of the picture. You know, this was the kind of stuff the cans are strewn across the road and pavement all over where I used to play and on my way to school.

And so, you know, I just saw that that that was my life growing up. And, you know, I would say that as much as being brought up as a Muslim saying not to drink was actually one of the reasons why I don't drink because I just my experience of seeing people who drank was horrific, you know, it was just what's standing in your urine and absolutely stinking and going, I had a power to go on mate. But, you know, I'd be like, yeah, what the hell is this substance doing to these people?

And I also saw the kids in my class. You know, I remember the first time I saw a kid drunk was when they were about nine, like one of my fellow school pupils, you know, when they were nine, they were, they were pissed. And there was like, apparently the mom and dad had been away, left the kids at home and they raided the cupboard and got pissed and had a party. Like, what, like, you, if I've got a nine-year-old daughter and I do have doing that, you know, leaving my kids alone. It sounds like I would never do it.

But that kind of stuff happened then. But your children won't want to do it. They wouldn't go for it, whereas... No, I really haven't even talked about being in it. But I wouldn't even leave my kids alone. Like, I can't fathom the idea of leaving my... Oh, sorry. Of course they left alone. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. With the ability to raid the cupboard, yeah. What were these people doing?

You say that about parents, but I see a lot of examples here, you know, when I'm sure it happens everywhere of parents introducing their children to alcohol, telling them that, you know, they'll get the taste for it, buying them alcohol at 15, 16, 17, or whatever. I'm not saying that much younger ranges. And I'm like, oh, I see the problem. No, no, no, no.

I remember that I was 14 when I went to school party and friends party, birthday party. And the mom and dad had stopped up so much alcohol and these kids were getting totally slouched. And I can believe it. I was just like, you know, coming from a very strict parents. I'm like at this party thinking,

The mom and dad are just giving alcohol to the like, what the hell? But like, I mean, that was just, so I don't know. But what I want to ask you about the alcohol businesses, I know you're saying the substance is a problem. I agree. I agree. There's this, it's an addictive substance. It is a drug. And you know, why is it legal when other things are not legal? I don't stand that. And but surely people who get addicted to things like sex, like drugs, like alcohol,

are addicted to it because there's a void in their life. There's something not right that leads them to become alcoholic. I mean, reflecting, looking back, was there anything in your personal relationship, stress at work or something? Like, why did you reach for the battle?

That's what I'm trying to say. It was stress levels. 100%. Yeah, there was definitely a driver rather than it being a physiological problem. It was definitely something up here needed. It was my form of relaxation. And I had a very stressful job at the time. And I think when we spoke, I mentioned to you, I came in one day from work. It was probably six o'clock. And I literally had the fridge door open before I'd even taken my coat off. And I thought, I am either going to die.

from alcohol, not that I was taking, you know, but I'm either going to die from that, or I'm going to die from a heart attack with a level of stress that I was trying to get out. And I would say that was a deep drive for me. So what was it? What was the cause for stress? Why are you, why are you stressed? Just roughly? What was the problem? Juggling work and family.

For dominantly, I had a very stressful job, full-time job. And I had a lot going on in the job. And then I was trying to come home. My daughter wasn't very well for a number of years. And it was, I didn't feel like I could do anything well. This is what I mean. That was probably, the alcohol would made me feel when I took that. It's the first sip I call that the hit. And that is probably the only thing that I partly miss.

That's about it. It's that first flush through your body when you have that. So wine became my tipple. And when you take that first sip, you feel it course through your veins almost immediately. But then you never get that back. And then it just snowballs after that. But that was the big driver for me. So this is, I have seen this quite a lot. You know, I would ask my patients.

about stress levels and work and happiness. And when they're talking about pain, because pain is modulated by lots of different things. And one of them is stress. And I'd also ask about alcohol intake, because if you give them medication,

And you're a big drinker. The medication is less likely to work because you're liver enzymes, however, you know, you're making so much more of them. And they just basically metabolize everything. So you need higher pain, analgesia, all that stuff. And so you need to know about alcohol and takes part of your normal medical history. And I was shocked how many people were drinking a lot of alcohol. But like you said, they would never say they're an alcoholic. They'd be like, yeah, drink a drink for a man. You know, I drink this much and you tally up and you're like, whoa.

And you're like, wow, until you're not alcoholic. And they'd be like, no, I'm not an alcoholic. I'm not an alcoholic. But I just drink of nine. And there would always be like a half bottle, which then on further proving would become, yeah, I drink one bottle.

or the one bottle and you probe them and they're like, well, actually, maybe it's two bottles. You know, it suddenly, it flipped the volume, the amount that they would take would suddenly go up quite high. Like, so what they would admit to me was a lot less than I think they even appreciated, but then they would tally it up. Yeah, I think that's even admitting it to yourself, to be honest. Yeah. And quite often what you start doing is

Sorry, I was kind of sorry. It was quite often the clue was when the partner gave me a shifty look basically to say, yeah, fuck that shit. Like literally the look on their face was like, yeah, that my partner's talking bullshit. And so then I would go back and go, are you sure it's one bottle? And then they'd be like, they look at the floor and go, all right, maybe two. And then I look at the partner and the partner's like nodding.

It was like, yeah. And the worst you could do as a partner is try and tell your partner that they're drinking too much and that they need to reduce their drinking because they are not going to be remotely receptive to that. And I have to say I was very lucky because my accident didn't do that.

Yeah, no, this is what I mean. So like, so when you've got two people facing you, they can't see each other, right? So they're looking at me, both of them, you know, at the consultation. And so, and it's just so funny. And partners are people who drink lots of alcohol. Like the way they gesture, like there's no head movement. It's just the look and the raised eyebrows. Like I just, they were communicating to me. This is bullshit. This is this guy, this lady's got a problem.

And, um, you know, I just want you to know they're talking, they're lying. But yeah, it's interesting that you say they've got a problem. At what point does it become a problem? Is it a problem when you're drinking a glass of wine a day? Is it a problem when you, when you've been drink every Friday and Saturday? Is it, you know, and that's that that's one of the things with alcohol is I think people don't realize how trapped they are with alcohol until they try and stop for some reason.

Well, and that kind of creeps up on you. I was going to just say, it's insidious. I've been an addict. I was a sugar addict. So, you know, I was getting up in the middle of the nightly and raiding the fridge for, you know, milk and box of cereal.

And I would fill up my, my bowl of cereal with Cheerios and whatever sugary cereal there is, march away at it and then go back to bed. And honestly, I didn't know I was doing this because it was only in the morning when I saw a spilt milk cereal on the kitchen counter. Yeah. And my wife was like, who, what the hell? Like, who did this? Like, you know, the kids were tiny at that point. And I'm just looking at guilty thinking,

Yeah, I think that was me. And my wife just, you know, would look at me like, what the heck? I was addicted to sugar, you know, and it just crept up on me. Just, you know, and funny thing is alcohol has got lots of sugar in it. So a lot of people have diabetes and alcohol and, you know, it's a sugar is very addictive. It's part of that whole sweetening thing. So you're, you're almost like hitting two things that you're addicted to, the sugar and the alcohol. But listen, I think I think. So they're all making a, what, sorry?

They're making it all more palatable now, aren't they? Everything's more attractive, everything's sweeter to draw people into what, you know, if it was all just lago and stuff available, you wouldn't have anything like a level of drinking that takes place, but it's more palatable for a lot of people. Yeah, well, I've heard that. I've heard that, you know, it's not just the Al Capops type thing. I've heard that the wines and everything are all a lot sweeter and it's to, you know, to hook you guys in. Even the gins now as well.

There you go. So this is what I mean. I think like, but I think fundamentally, there's a psychological issue, stress, a sensation of not being able to cope and emptiness, potentially depression at something that makes you vulnerable to becoming an addict. Because then you choose that as your escape.

And it's insidious. You don't even know that it's happening to you. You know, I don't know if you're... Do you ever remember me talking about that colleague of mine, the orthopedic surgeon, who's like saying, you know, I need to drink and like, what's the purpose of living otherwise? Oh, I think he might... Yeah. Is that one of your podcasts you talked about that?

Yeah. So I, this guy, this guy, this guy opened my door was open. He looked through the open door and went, Hey, what are you doing here? I was like, Oh, I've moved clinic because I got suspended in another clinic. He went, Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. And then I said, you look really healthy. And then I put on quite a bit of weight. He went, yeah, I just, you know, in holiday, I went, well, good buffet. He went, yeah, not the buffet is the drink. Um, and, you know, cause I said, you know, maybe cut down in the food a bit, you know, and then he went, my, it's not the food is the drink. I went cut down on the drink then. And at

At that, he goes, oh, what's the point of living then? And I went, what's the point of living? Like your job, your family, like whatever. And he went, huh, like that, like, huh, his family, his work. And then, and then he goes, what do you do for fun? So he equated. Yeah.

Oh, 100%. You are the fun, please. You're boring. You're boring if you, if you don't, you know, you don't drink. How do you enjoy going out? Right. So basically when I said to me, absolutely. Yeah. So I said, well, I think of having fun as paying time in my family, exercising, reading, having sex with the wife. And then he went, to that, all of that.

Yeah. And the last bit when I said, you know, sex with the wife, he just went, all right, well, no to all that including sex with your wife. He went, I'd rather drink. And he just looked miserable. And then he talked about how work is stressful and the theatre staff are annoying and patients are difficult and

He just seemed miserable and broken. And what he needed every night was to sit down and crack open some beers and drink whiskey. Oh, yeah, whiskey as well. And that's what that is, this temple. And he was just like, wow. And yet what he didn't realize, it was that habit that was actually causing quite a lot of what he was feeling.

But he didn't realize that he's caught in that toxic spiral thinking you need it because you feel like you need this reward and everything else. But actually, it dulls your life. That's the only way you don't think it does, because society tells you it's amazing. I mean, when you talked about what you observed as a child, the level of drunkenness and things, if they started showing all the negative stuff on TV, it might actually make people think twice, but they don't make glamorize it.

and they make it look amazing and it's all fun and you're having a party and everything else. But you know, what they don't show is the three hours, four hours, five hours into it.

the negative sides to it. I mean, it's very easy. Of course, it's very easy for me. Five years on, I am now to stand back and I am 100% not the alcohol, please. We have a bit of a joke in the house about it, but I'm not. It's entirely up to you. You want to have a drink, you have a drink. What I know is that my life has improved significantly since I stopped. And it's not, you know,

What were the impact on like your family, your partner, your children? Did any of them say? Because my wife was addicted to Pokemon, the stupid fucking game. I mean, I know it's ridiculous, right? Like you can't believe it. Like we've just had kids.

I think she had a bit of postnatal depression and she suddenly got fucking hooked onto this game. She used to watch as a kid the cartoon. Suddenly she found this app and this game and like, initially I was like, oh, that's great. Good for you. Suddenly my wife disappeared. Suddenly she was just stuck on her phone and going, oh, I'm going to this Pokemon game at the park. I'll see you in two, three hours later.

You know, she's still not home. We'd go to the park with a kiss and she's off chasing some fucking imaginary Pokemon monster. And I'm like, what's the kids thinking? Where the fuck are you? Like, seriously? Like, and then I would say to her, I think you've got a problem and she would get so angry.

No, I don't. No, I don't. Are you telling me not to play my game? Are you like, who do you think you are? You're bossing me? You're trying to control me? And I was like, what the fuck is going on? I'm like, like, seriously, this game is overtaking your life. Like, you don't see how it's all consuming. And then

I think it was like when one of the kids said to her, mom, I hate that game. You're never here. And she went, what do you mean? I'm here. And I would say to her, look, you're here, but you're not. You're in the game. Us and the kids, we don't know you anymore. We don't see you anymore.

And it was like honestly a year at least into the stupid fucking addiction that she then got it. And now she looks back and goes, oh my god, that's horrific. I had no idea how I was addicted. I genuinely didn't think I was addicted. So this is what I mean, like,

Like how did that happen? I think it was having kids and then taking a year out and being at home alone with two screaming kids and she was feeling a bit depressed and didn't have as much social interaction with people. She's a people person. She's stuck at home. And I think she found her release avenue through this game. And so even when she then got back into work,

She found that she wasn't even talking to people at work. She was just consumed with this stupid game at every possible moment. And there's only now, she looks back and goes, oh my God, I fell into that so badly. I'm just so glad I got it. I got it. I'm so sorry. I didn't see it at the time. But honestly, trying to reason with her at the time, woof. Man, it was hard. Yeah. Yeah, it is. And that's what I'd say with anybody who has got a partner or a family member that they

in their opinion, drinks too much, you have to deal with that very delicately because the immediate response when somebody questions your behaviour in that way is to become defensive. You asked me about the effect on my family. It was probably our daughter who was probably most affected by it only

in that when I would, she would have been 13, 12, 13 when I stopped drinking. So it would have been prior to that age. And she'll talk about now how she remembers when I used to come and give her a kiss good night, that she could smell it on my breath, because, you know, I'd add the glass of wine or whatever. And she, you change.

You only need to, you know, she would probably see me drink, say, three, four, five. And this is not me underestimating. I was aware of how much, obviously, when I used to go out, I used to drink more, but not that that happened very often by then. But she, you know, she would observe changes in me. And invariably, I'd fall asleep and

I do fall asleep now, but it's not alcohol and juice. It's more just tired. But, you know, front of the TV, come up us nine and then...

couldn't you know and then I'd be waking up at like 130 now because she'd gone to bed by then but I'd be waking up at 130 to 30 in the morning so I wouldn't be going to bed with hubby so we wouldn't have that quality of time I'd probably sit and eat a load of garbage that's also where the weight comes from as well you can see my alcohol and it just cuts off your kind of you know you you you just want to eat rubbish and a lot of it we were having a joke earlier about salt and vinegar to all grifts I mean I just used to

Hoover them up, big bag, you know, quite happily. So now obviously I don't have to have those kinds of cravings. But also whilst the consumption affects the family, so does the non-consumption because

hubby and I would sit and have a meal and share a bottle of wine and suddenly I'm no longer drinking and it that actually has quite a significant impact and it's you know it can be quite difficult for your friends to readjust to you and for certainly for your partner to readjust as well to you no longer you know wanting to stop off for a drink or having a drink with a meal

So before it froze, there's something happening to the connection. You said it's also when you're not consuming. Can you explain what you mean by that? Yeah, well alcohol is such a, you know, it's such a thing that we do socially. It's, you know, around meals. And in terms of sort of the effect

Closer to home, I noticed, obviously, hubby and I, it would have been quite normal for us on a Friday and Saturday to, you know, share a bottle of wine with dinner. And then suddenly you're not doing it. And I used to kind of say, you know, I'm just drinking something that's different. It's just not alcohol. I'm still having a drink. It's just not alcohol.

but there's definitely that shift and he was fantastic but he had to make a shift as well because i suddenly became quite a different person to the the one that would kind of you know we we've obviously party together in the past and it wasn't that our life wasn't built around on alcohol but it's it is something that we did together and if we went out for a nice meal it'd be like oh you know what wine are we gonna have and things like that so

There was a definite kind of that can be quite difficult and also also with friends. Not not quite so much with friends but it's funny when you stop drinking and you have to decide what are you going to tell people is the reason why you stop drinking because people make up all sorts of

ideas in their head, how you're obviously rolling around your house, falling over every night or whatever, which, you know, it's not the case. But people become very defensive about their own drinking and feel that they need to eat late. Yeah, well, I don't really drink very much done a lot. And it's like, I'm actually, I'm not really interested. It's just, you know, it's not, I don't mean I don't care or, but it doesn't matter to me. You want to drink three bottles of wine at night, you know, fill your boots.

Um, so what I want to know is why did you stop drinking and how did you stop drinking?

OK, I stopped drinking predominantly because I knew the levels I was drinking at. I've always had kind of that magic 14 unit marker there, which I know again, as I say, is a bit of a nonsense. And I knew I drank above that every week. So that played on my mind. And I would say I toyed seriously with the idea of two years.

It mainly got to the point I just didn't like that I felt it controlled me and I needed to do something about that. So I was reading a magazine, it was just a magazine and I saw something called the 30-day alcohol experiment. It was a book and I thought my first response was, oh my God, I can't give up alcohol for 30 days.

So I started looking the book up on Amazon and then another book by the same author, which was called This Naked Mind by Annie Grace. I looked at that and the reviews were like amazing. And I thought, and I'm a big reader. So that was quite attractive to me, but of course you can get audio books and listen to things. So I thought, oh, I'll get the book. I'll give it a go. Cause it was like, people were saying, you know, I read this book and I stopped drinking and I was like,

yeah really you know but i'll give it a go because i knew that i just wasn't happy with that repetitive pattern day after day after day and that internal dialogue i didn't want to live with that anymore particularly um so i got the book and i read the book and it talks about in the book you don't need to stop drinking you know you can carry on drinking just don't drink whilst you're reading the book

So make sure your brain is sober whilst you're reading the messages in the book. And I'm a quick reader, you don't have to read it this far, so I've probably read it within two days, two or three days. And I actually stopped drinking partway through. And at the end of the book again, this naked mind, and it's by Annie Grace, who's an American?

There's a very similar book by a British author called Alan Carr, a double L E N Carr, not the comedian. And he does a lot of quitting books. And it's I think it's called, in fact, I wrote it down and stop drinking now.

um he's written that's it he's written a number of different books um but that was the book I read and I can honestly describe it as for me and it doesn't work for everybody as has been proven recently by somebody I have um been helping lately or been involved you know um talking to lately um supporting I suppose it's probably the right word um but by the time I came to the end of it we had a cupboard um in our house which had like spirits and stuff in it and I literally thought

I took all of them out and I just put them in a box and put them away. Couldn't throw them away because obviously hubby still has a drink, which is fine. And I had an extra food cupboard then, which was perfect for storing things. Don't live in a massive house. But

I then spent, I went on to the community, there was a community you could go on to and connect with other people who were going through similar things. And I found that really, really helpful. But I also then I would say I spent the next four months literally reading a lot of alcohol, quit lit, as you might call it. So loads of books, because I like reading, and also listening to podcasts, super podcasts. So it was about changing the way I viewed alcohol.

I don't see it as a demon. I still consume it. I'd have a dessert with alcohol in. I would have, I'd love a cure chocolate, but I don't need to eat the whole box. Basically, one, you know, it's nice. It's not like, oh my goodness, I need to stay away from alcohol because I'll be right back where I was before. I just don't have

the desire to drink like I did, it doesn't come knocking on my door. I'm not going to sit here and say there aren't times when I think like I live in a beautiful place, we have lovely beaches, there's lots of alfresco drinking, there'll be sunny, I'll walk past somewhere and I'll see somebody have a nice chilled glass of white wine. And for a fleeting moment my brain will say

That would be so nice right now. But it's gone. Then it's gone. I don't then mullah over and mullah over. You know when you deprive yourself and it's like that constant internal battle. I don't need to do that. That's just for that. It's gone. So I'm like that. So I used to desire carbs and sugar. I said, crazy. I look back now. I didn't realize at the time that I did, but I did. My food choices were all about sugar.

in some shape or form. And now, do you know what? Sometimes I think, yeah, do you know what ice cream might be nice or pizza? I quite often go, actually, you know what? I know what I feel like afterwards. I kind of feel bloated. I kind of regret it. Actually, you know what? I don't really want it. And that thought process takes less than a second. Can I go now? Yes.

You know, and so, and like, I don't want sweet things anymore. My wife goes, wow, you don't have a sweet tooth anymore. I'm like, no, not really. We recently, um, I went out to bath for this conference and some of my supporters took me out for, for dinner. And, you know, they ordered some dessert and I looked at one of them, a nice chocolate caramel mousse type thing. I was like, Oh, that looks nice. But then I was like, I didn't want that. That's sickly sweet. And I had a cheese board for my dessert.

And you know what, if you went back 10 years ago, that was not me. That was not me. I was all over that chocolate sweet, most caramel business. But now it's like, nah, I just don't want it anymore. I just don't feel the need for it. And so I kind of get what you mean, like, sometimes you look and go, oh, that might be nice. But then you go, nah, sorry, I'm good. I'm good. I don't need it. Yeah.

Yeah, you quickly trawl through the negative, like when I go out now to social functions, I normally I actually come home wired rather than tired. I used to come home like I just wanted to go straight to bed because alcohol used to make me very tired.

Now, I almost like need half an hour to wind down after coming in from a social event, because I'm quite sort of here, but I still really, you know, really enjoy that, really, really enjoy the event. Whether I could have done it in my twenties, who knows, but it doesn't matter, I've done it. So.

Yeah, no, I get that. Listen, I'm, look, I'm libertarian, as you know, I don't think anything should be banned or illegal. And I mean anything, you know what, people, but however, should be educated and people should learn to take responsibility for things. You know, I made a decision not just to drink because of my religion at the time. I've given that up a long time ago. I could drink any day now, but I don't, I don't want to.

I've got everything sorted, my life, I'm on track, I'm healthy. I just don't feel like I need something like this that's so fraught with complications. I've seen kids, I've seen adults who grew up with parents, who were drinkers, and moms and dads who neglected them, who beat them up. I've seen people from broken families because of alcohol. I mean, I've just seen a lot of trouble. I used to, my first house officer, my first medical job as a house officer was in a GI unit, which was all alcoholics.

Right. All alcoholics, you suffered your viruses, gastric ulcers, bleeding, you name it. It was just, it was a shit show. You know, it was just disastrous. You know, my neighbor just died. She's an alcoholic. She was an alcoholic. I mean, she was jaundiced, huge abdomen. She was only in her fifties, you know. Yeah.

But she had demons, she had psychological demons, right? She had agoraphobia, she stopped going outside. This person who's a very high functioning person, who used to be very successful in her job, you know, an accountant to celebrities and pop stars, right? Really quite famous, all the BBC presenters and actors, she would be their accountant, right?

She made good money, she was very successful, but then something happened in her life. I don't want to go into it, but she hit the bottle, and then suddenly she's just stuck at home and drinking, drinking, drinking. She was jaundiced, the ambulance was always in the driveway, taking her to hospital because she would have these bleeds, because you suffered your viruses, because of the poor type of tension, because of a cirrhotic liver.

The liver is not functioning, you have a quadculopathy, they're the jaundice, and you get the skities with the bigger abdomen, her muscles wasted away.

you know, she prematurely aged. I mean, she might have been 55, 56. She looked like she was 86, you know, it hollered her out and took her life, you know. And so, I mean, it's a big thing. And I just know a lot of people, especially in the medical world, who drink a lot like that guy that I just talked about.

And I just feel like it's a problem in society. And it's, it's almost like just acceptable. And most people don't even know they have a problem, you know, they just, they kid themselves. I remember having a conversation with someone and he was like, yeah, you know what? I like the odd drink, you know, but you know, I'm not, I'm not an alcoholic. I saw him like crack through three bottles of wine in one night. Yeah.

And you're just like, that's a lot. And then they say they don't drink very much. Yeah, but that's because they're measuring themselves against the people, you know, drinking out of a bottle in the street on the pavement. And that's it. We all do that to justify, you know, not justify, but make ourselves feel better because it is hard to admit that, you know, maybe this isn't great for me. Maybe this isn't healthy. Yeah.

I think it's okay going back to the book. The way it works is we have like this conflict with our unconscious and conscious minds and we can consciously say I'm not having a drink tonight or I'm not going to drink for the next week or whatever it might be but the unconscious still has all these messages around alcohol about how fantastic it is and how it relaxes you and all the you know it can help you sleep.

another you know live basically although other people will say yes it does um what the book does when you read it's not preachy is

It speaks to that part of your brain. It syncs those messages in. It doesn't, as I say, it doesn't turn it into a demon, but it undoes the social messaging around alcohol. I'm not saying that because the soul answer, I'm not saying it'll have that effect on everybody. I've been, I connected with somebody recently, or I used to know when I was about 14 or 15.

because I put a post on Facebook and I said I had stopped drinking like five years ago it's my five year anniversary just at the beginning of September.

And I said, you know, I didn't make too big a deal, but I basically said I didn't use willpower to do it. You won't succeed with willpower because the conscious mind will always, all this unconscious mind, so it will always win out. It will always. And you're just left feeling miserable. Now that book didn't 100% work for them. It spoke to them. They knew a lot what was in there, but they went, then went on to look at other things, which

which spoke to them further and that's but you know as I say for me that were for others it could be the stepping stone there's a website around that book there's lots of things on there there's lots of other resources it's really it's a bit like how they did a number on us with covid you know on people and all these messages constant messaging you almost have to do the same number on yourself

with books and all the other sources of information, you have to bombard your brain to undo all that conditioning that you've had since you were knee-high to a grasshopper, basically your observations, people having fun, it's required social occasions and all that messaging that you get, you need to basically undo all of that.

And that's how I would say that any books or, and you've got to be open to it. You've got to, you've got to want to make a change. You need to want to make a change.

Lee, I was just about to say, I was just about to say, you took the first step though. That's the thing. No one forced you. You're the one that said, actually, I've had enough. I need to look into this. And you found the book, you read the book. And

Yeah, I've seen this so many times and it doesn't matter what it is. It could be the diet, like when I gave dietary advice to people or telling them about the importance of sleep, you know, unless, you know, you can give, I can give all the information in the world, all the facts in the world, unless that person takes that responsibility and takes that first step themselves and initiates it, you can't change anything, you know, it has to come from within. And somehow you found it, you found it from within and well done.

I mean, you feel better for it now. You feel sharper, healthier, younger.

Yeah, I feel so much better for it. And I've done taking up hobbies like I played the violin now and things like that. I took that up pretty much straight away as soon as I gave up alcohol. The lesson was at nine o'clock on a Saturday morning. That would have been probably unheard of previously. So I definitely, I feel sharper in the mornings. I don't have that just general feeling of malaise a bit. That just doesn't exist. And, you know, to know I can go out and enjoy social events. And actually, like this,

I don't make judgements, not at all, but I look at what alcohol does to people and I just think, thank God I'm not doing that to myself anymore. I just feel like I'm looking after myself better. That's probably how I feel.

This is what I mean, like, this is one of the reasons why I didn't drink. I saw the medical students around me. I saw everybody getting pissed and plastered. And I was like, right. I'll get this a miss. Thank you very much. You know, girls snogging guys that they weren't normally snored guys snogging girls. You wouldn't normally. Yeah. It wouldn't let me look at, you know, and you know, people joking about how they took a dump in someone's front garden. I mean, just ridiculous stuff. Like you're like,

Yeah. What's wrong? You guys, you drink and then you just turn into these weird animals. It's like ridiculous. I'm not saying everybody does that, but I'm just, but the thing is like, you talk to people like Jason Christoff and other people who are really into health, you know, they don't even drink coffee. And they talk about alcohol and coffee and all these drugs. And, you know, in some ways, it's like that, you know, so much. Remember that was in 1984, the brave new world is this drug. Yes. Yes. And it just, it numbs you. It gives you that euphoria and it just placates you and can't,

Like the reality is that it's legal for a reason. I think they want us the bread and circuses and the alcohol. They want us distracted. They want us dumb down. They want us numb. You know, if everybody in society was sharp and motivated and energized and focused.

and not escaping into alcohol, but thinking, actually, my world is shit. Why is it shit? I need to fix this. Fixing it is because the government's screwing me. Like, that's a problem. Much better. You have alcohol there and other drugs, like they're pushing for a lot of drugs and like, you know, to take these drugs and drift away into your happy place and forget all the problems. Think about that. Those can wait. That'll be for another day.

You know, I think it's very convenient for authority to have people, you know, consuming drugs and being distracted. Oh, I'd 100% I'd agree with you there. Yeah. Yeah.

Anyway, right. Listen, let's wrap up now. But before we do, just quickly, you know, someone's thinking about alcohol, what would be your quick top tips? And then, you know, my signature question, you're on your deathbed, what words of wisdom and advice would you give? So those are the two things. So when it comes to creating alcohol, people are thinking about it, or some people might be listening, or I don't have an alcohol problem. Like, what would you say about that? And then, and then the deathbed question.

I know how much the book did for me but I've actually done a little bit of looking around and I would actually go on the website first, have a look at the website and just look at some of the resources. Maybe read some stories of people or listen to stories of people who have been drinking and have managed to quit.

It's really admitting to yourself and, you know, stop trying to do, I used to do things like even by wine, I didn't like in the hope that I would drink less of it, which is utterly ridiculous. Boxers are wine, so then I didn't have to worry about it going off.

But then it just meant there was more available and you lose complete track of how much you're drinking then. So, um, you know, stop trying to, to do the things that you think are, are helping you because they're, they're probably not. And just go out and find information about what alcohol is actually really doing to you from a, from a physical and a psychological perspective, to be honest. Yeah. That's, that's probably my top tips in, in, in that respect.

Yeah, I think Lee just very quickly to interject it. I think the big angle for me, like seriously, is just health. Health. I want to be mentally and physically as healthy as possible. For that reason, I don't want to put anything in my body. I don't want to vape. I don't want to smoke. I don't want to drink.

you know, you know, I'm careful about the water that I'm drinking and the food that I'm consuming. Like, and you know, every calorie, I mean, I don't use a calorie measurement, but you know what I mean? Like, if I'm eating food, I'm having one meal a day. I want to look sharp and feel sharp. You know, I don't want to drink it on that stuff. You know, I don't want that. I don't, you know, so I think the health angle is actually quite powerful. If you want to get healthy, it's a quick thing. It's a quick thing to help you on that journey. I think limiting the alcohol intake.

It is, but you can know all the health benefit of not drinking and it still makes it very difficult to stop. I'm sure it does. I'm sure it does. It's only a little bit. It wasn't doing me. It might help any favors. Yeah. Yep. So, final question then. You're on your deathbed. What's your words of wisdom to your family and loved ones?

Okay, two things, trust your gut. That's a big thing. I've learned around a lot of things in life. If you're intuition and your gut is telling you something, invariably it's right. We've got very good at ignoring it. And the other one, again, something that's happened over the last coming up to five years, four and a half years is take ownership of your own health. Don't put it in the hands of somebody who

where's a white coat looking for that tablet fix and things. So yeah, take ownership and that ties in with the health element of not drinking. You know, I feel like I've reduced risks of several things by doing that. So that would be my advice.

Wonderful. Listen, look, I just want to congratulate you and well done for you. You know, it's not easy what you've done, but you've demonstrated that it's very much possible if you just take responsibility. I mean, you mulled over it for two years, but one day you just decided enough is enough, no more excuses. And it was always within you. See, that's another beautiful thing. You're not broken. You just need to find yourself

You're true self and you're stronger than you think. And this is everyone I'm talking to. Everyone is stronger than they think they are. They're more beautiful than they think they are. And you just need to return to your true self. You're not broken. You're not broken. You just need to unravel all the crap that's covering you. Everyone is a diamond.

Right, Lee, thank you so much. Thank you, honestly, for a wonderful story, a different story that I think is going to help a lot of people. Thank you for your support. I really appreciate that as well. Thank you. Yeah, you're welcome. Thank you very much for having me on and giving me the opportunity and I hope if it helps even one person, it was well worth it. I've got a feeling it's going to help more than one person. I've got a feeling.