#254 - James Blott: From Sewage to Salvation: The Dirty Truth About Agriculture and the Church

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Welcome, James, a lot. How are you doing? Fine, and thank you very much for inviting me. My pleasure. I think you're probably the first guest that I've had and I've had a lot where I've given them a tour of the house.

Really? Oh, gosh. Well, that's wonderful because I love old cottages. Yeah, it was just when, you know, you and Cass, the other supporter, who you just met, when you were asking about the house, I think, you know, I'm just going to take you around and show you around and show you what my little cottage looks like. And the roof damage, you've seen the roof damage. Yeah, I've been there. I have. Yeah. I did more than my fair share over the decades of actually supporting the country's heritage.

There's something very quaint and beautiful though in these old properties. Do you know, I think so, you know? Oh, absolutely. And they've stood the test of time. Yeah. It might be, I mean, this is almost 350 years old. Yeah. But it's still standing. Yeah. I mean, it's got, you know, it's a little imperfections, but that's what makes it quaint. Exactly. Yeah. No, I can, I can fully understand that. Yeah, it's, um, uh, but maybe eventually, maybe eventually I might, you'll get fed up with all the repair bills and

move to something more easily manageable. Yeah, that's what I've done anyway. Anyway, unlike my previous supporter that you've just met, Cass, who doesn't want to be on the show, you kindly said, yeah, sure, I'll come on your show. You drove two hours today. You brought wild salmon.

And thank you for that. And a homemade brownie, it's very kind of you. But yeah, you didn't come to just bring me gifts. We were going to talk about something. What was it that I said, wow, you need to come on my show, buddy. What was it? Well, the best way of answering that with a joke, which is your signature, is to say that I think two emails ago to you, I signed myself off as James Brackett's sewage closed brackets a lot.

So we're going to talk shit then today. Well, we could talk shit if that's what you want. That isn't the beginning and the end of my life. But that was what you reacted to. And you then said you wanted to speak to me on the telephone. And after that, you invited me. So here I am. Well, thank you so much for coming. I mean, some people might say, some of my critics might say, all I do is talk shit all day long.

No, I think you've got a very loyal audience, including yours truly. Thank you so much. So tell me about the serious thing, because when you did mention it to me, I was like, what? So yeah, let's just dive straight into that. Okay. What is it that you've discovered and because it's pretty alarming, actually. We're talking about sewage sludge, other words normally used. You will also hear the terms humanure, which is

factually incorrect, which I'll explain in a second. And they also use biosolids. Biosolids is the term that's normally used by those in authority because they don't want the term sludge.

So that's an even sludge to make it sound better. Yeah. And even sludge. I mean, let's just even cut to the chase. What does sludge even mean? We're talking about human waste. Yeah. Effectively, all human waste and in recent years, all waste from habitats, from hospitals, from chemical factories, from manufacturing, but it all goes into the same place.

It's actually a very serious problem. Once upon a time, the industrial waste was treated separately. It isn't anymore. So it all goes to the wastewater treatment plant. And after the wastewater has been treated, you are left with this semi-solid mass of human poo, which you've then got to get rid of.

Traditionally, it was dumped in the oceans. And then in the late 1980s, there was the Ocean Dumping Ban Act. It was introduced by one of the bushes. I can't remember which one. And subsequent to that, I firmly believe that when they decided not to dump in the oceans, they didn't give a moment's thought to what they were going to do with this stuff. Yeah. So initially, they burnt it. They put it into landfill.

But of course, neither of those are acceptable in the modern world. Burning means more CO2, landfill, you can't have that. And besides which it concentrates the stuff in a way that could get into the water very easily, if you've got huge quantities going into landfill.

So they started spreading it on the fields and that happened initially in the United States and then we picked up, you know, what they were doing. And we've been doing that now for about 30 years. The sludge on the fields where we then eat the crops. Correct, my friend. Correct. And if you say to me, is it safe and how do you know? Yeah, exactly. The answer is we don't know.

There's been insufficient testing done anywhere in the world to know what the long-term effect of this is.

You know what? You know what? This is shocking. But sadly, it's not surprising anymore. Yeah. Like the vaccines aren't tested. Yeah. Medicines aren't tested anymore. You know, nothing's really gone through proper studies and rigorous testing, but we're told it's the science. And now you're telling me human and industrial poo and garbage is being dumped and sprayed in our fields. Exactly. And it's not even properly tested in the long term safety. I mean, it's treated.

But it's treated. What does that even mean? Well, what they do is they effectively, it's an aerobic system, anaerobic system. So they're pumping air, encouraging bacteria to grow. They can get up to about 70 degrees C using those systems. They can compost it. They can blast it with ultraviolet.

But at the end of the day, as I've found the more research I've done, there's lots of stuff that they cannot remove. So, for example, heavy metals, 27 different heavy metals have been identified in sewage sludge, where there's been testing done.

And these heavy metals are damaging to the brain, cognition, your immune system. And many of them, I mean, I'm not 100% sure, but I think can even cause like cancer and other disease and illnesses. Am I right? Yeah, absolutely right. And these are things that are not meant to be in your body. And once you get into your body, then you're like, your body doesn't have a mechanism of getting rid of it because it's not a normal physiological substance. I mean, you might know some of these and their health risks go for chromium.

manganese, iron, cobalt, nickel, copper, zinc, mercury, cadmium, lead, tin, molybdenum, vanadium, silver, antimony, and thalium titanium. All of those have been found in sewage sludge. Now, that's going into the ground. There's no way that that can be removed by just applying 70 degrees C.

Nor can the farmer do anything to remove those things before spreading or after spreading. No farming practices are going to eliminate those once they're in the ground. And they have a tendency to accumulate. So the more spreading you do, the more of those metals you've got permanently in the cereals. And no real proof has ever been produced.

to say that the toxins coming out of those metals are going into the plant and then after harvest are going from the plant into the wheat and into the bread and the pasta and the rest of it, but logically, how can it be anything else? Plants do pick up whatever is in their environment. I think we know that. Yeah, I think that's

pretty straightforward. I mean, and it's not a case of just, we are what we eat. We are whatever we eat, eat itself. Yeah. You know, whether it be a plant or an animal. Yeah.

So, and these are heavy metals. And you know, where are they coming from? Is that the industrial side, industrial waste? Exactly, yeah. But also, of course, you know, they have also found aluminium. And as we know from the COVID vaccines, aluminium is a constituent element of that. And so some of these metals are actually passing through our bodies.

and are they being expelled as waste because the body can't absorb them. So they get chopped out in the waste and from there into the sewage sludge. That's just the stomach. Have you heard about the camelford incident?

when there's a camel estuary down caramel. Yes. And some lorry driver by accident dumped a whole load of aluminium. Yes. Into the wrong waste. That's right. And it ended up in the water. It ended up in the drinking water. Yeah. And they were telling people, don't worry about the taste. Just add some orange squash.

to cover up. It's like what? But like, I mean, one thing is, aren't they even using aluminium to like treat the water or does that not happen anymore? I'm not totally sure about that. Yeah. I mean, probably some kind of an alloy might be used somewhere. I'm going to look it up. And aluminium salts are also widely used in water treatment. There we go.

as coagulants to reduce organic matter, color, turbidity, and microorganism levels. Yeah, is aluminium using water treatment? Yes, it is. Aluminium selfie. And do you know what? I might talk with the aluminium man, actually. Yeah, of course. Amazing guy. Cancelled because he was like questioning what is going on. He talks about aluminium and aluminium is the third most abundant

substance on the planet. I don't know that, but it's locked. It's locked with silicate in the crust and pre-industrialization. Aluminium was never found in the soil, in the plants, in food, in animals. No animals eat it, no plants use it. There is no enzyme that uses it. There's no waste mechanism. We don't have aluminium in our bodies. Everything changed about 120 years ago when we extracted aluminium at the crust.

Unbound it from its silica. And now suddenly it's now in the environment and it's toxic. It's, you know, it's side to talks. It kills everything that's living. Yeah. And we're putting this in the water to treat it. And I'm thinking, make sense of this for me, please. How does this make sense? The whole thing's completely mad. And I think, you know,

People have actually asked me when I've been talking about this. Why is this a problem now when surely night soil has been used for millennia and still is in rural China and so on? What's night soil? Night soil is the equivalent of biosolids for poo, meaning poo. So you have the night soil man who, back in medieval times, used to pick up the human poo and spread it on the fields.

Oh, I thought it was horse manure and cow manure that they spread. I never knew it was human. Oh, yeah. But if you go far enough in history, it was human. It was night soil that got spread on the fields and was part of the solution to putting nutrients back into the soil after you'd grown a crop. Yes. A problem in the modern world is that we are thinking of new

additions to our environment at such an alarming rate that no one can keep up with it. There are 3,500 synthetic chemicals, which now exist and are used in our daily lives. They're being invented every single day. They're not being tested. I think it's more than that. Did you say 3,500 synthetic? I think it's even more than that. Is it? How many?

You synthetic chemicals, I think it's magnitude more than that. Okay. And I think it's like a hundred thousand. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you're going to love this. You're going to love this. Okay. Your 3,500 was slightly correct. But I feel like I'm sitting down with my daughter doing the mass homework. You missed a couple of zeros. Oh.

So it's, yeah, recent analysis of global inventories of chemicals estimates this figure could be over 350,000. Yeah, 350,000 new synthetic chemicals are constantly being developed in the US alone, an average of 1,500 new substances a year. And if you go back to your test. So it's not 3,500, buddy, 350,000. Okay, you have to tell your daughter about that.

But if you go back to the testing thing, my understanding is that over 80% of what is now a much bigger number than the one I gave, over 80%, you can't test because the manufacturer is not prepared to tell you what's in the synthetic chemical because it's commercially confidential.

You know, that's a big problem in itself. So all of that lots going through our bodies as well. Oh, you know what you're reminding me of? We were watching one of the latest Jurassic Park movies and the human scientists because they're so clever. Made a new breed of dinosaurs. They completely knew one and it's very smart and it escapes and it starts killing everybody.

and the guy who's the hero going to start thinking, he's like, what is this dinosaur made of? And we can't tell he's a trade secret. And it's like, well, you need to tell me what I'm up against. It turns out there's a bit of cuttlefish in it, a bit of a chameleon, bit of this, bit of that. And this is what they do. And they play around like their god. And they don't think about the repercussions. And what

What's downstream in their hubris and their arrogance and their backslapping. Oh, we made this great new chemical and it's going to make us so much more money and we can pay into it and it'll be anti-stick, anti-corrosive, whatever. And isn't it amazing? Yeah. And actually, not really. Like, what does it do to us? I mean, I was thinking about, like, Kim, so I'm going to tell me about a far retardant chemical. Yeah. How dangerous they are. Yeah, PFAS. PFAS, that's it.

All this stuff, it's not good for us. The truth is that we know, we know just by anecdote that it's also in the literature, that the incidence of allergies in children is growing enormously. When I was a boy, the nearest thing in my fellow schoolmates that I came to analogy was eczema.

Wow, quite a lot of boys had eczema. They tended to also have asthma as well. And I don't understand the connection between those two things. Now we've got nut allergies coming out of our ears, haven't we? As a society, we've got massively increasing dementia, cancers of all different kinds of growing exponentially. So I think this is good to hear because some of the younger people might be like,

Well, this is all just normal. We're better at diagnosing it. Now you told me you're what, 74? I'll be 74 in January. You look great. Well, thank you. It's not just the lighting and the camera. You look great. Right. So you're great. So you're old enough to remember a time. Yeah. Like before all of this crazy stuff that we're looking at. So let's go back to 1970s. Right. Do you remember kids all having gluten allergies?

It's peanut allergies, happy pens everywhere. Be careful where you go to restaurants. Oh, sorry, sir. Do you have any allergies? Do you remember any of that stuff? No, probably by the 1970s, you were beginning to see a very, very small number of cases. 1960s? 60s none. 50s none.

What about in your classroom? You're in a class of, how many, what, 20, 30 people? Yeah, they're about. Like, were there lots of kids with learning difficulties and attention deficit disorders, autism? I was just completely unaware of them. There were people who were ragged mercilessly because they couldn't remember staff, etc. And there was quite a lot of bullying by teachers, you know, including physical bullying. Yeah, you're looking at someone who was subjected to the most appalling treatment at school.

I'm so sorry to hear that. Are we talking about a bell or the ruler? OK. The anecdote is that when my mum came me, I was at boarding school. Oh, shit. 1950s. When my mum... We need to talk about that in a second. When my mum came to take me out of boarding school for one of our very rare days out, very rare, and it was out and back in a day, you know, you got released after breakfast and you had to be back at five.

She hugged me and I shrank back in pain. She took me into the car, got me to take my shirt off and I was black on both arms from the wrist up to the shoulder.

That was a teacher inflicting pain because I couldn't conjugate my Latin verbs to his satisfaction. No. He also used him. James, no. Yes. He also used a steel-edge ruler on the knuckles. You can imagine the pain of that. No. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And your mom and dad paid this school to do this to you? Yes.

Absolutely. It's fucking asshole. And, you know, I get together with school friends often. We've all of us got our scars. And is it still there, that's cool? Oh, yeah. What's it called? It's called Locker's Park, and it's in Hemmel Hempstead. So it's not very far from where we're sitting now. No, it's not. It's a very well-run school now, so don't get me wrong. I would

I would absolutely not criticise them for doing the same thing now. They'd have been shut down decades ago if they'd carried on the way they were going.

I think this was a systematic thing across all these schools. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And how do you, like, and so the teachers beat you up. And did you ever have problems with other, more senior, um, was it, is it besting or something? What was it? They call it where the older school pupils treat you really badly as well. Oh, not just the older ones, but, you know, I was small. Um, and I hadn't even started to develop muscle. So I was, you know, I was pretty, I was a pretty good target.

The worst targeted boy in the school was a guy with an exaggerated hoops nose called Jacobs. And I don't need to tell you how shocked I am looking back to realize that poor wee Jacobs was subject to the most appalling antisemitic attacks just a few years after

The story of Auschwitz and the other camps hit the streets. It's impossible to think that that actually happened, but it did. I lived through it here in this country. Yeah.

I mean, we're digressing a bit now, but this is why I get really upset when people talk about, you know, Muslims and Muslim countries in a bad way and make it look like they're the clash of civilizations between Christianity and Judaism against Islam. And it's like the Muslims didn't do anything to the Jews. They harbored them after they were expelled from Spain. You know, they were able to live in harmony and peace for centuries.

There was a thriving civilization in these Muslim lands with culture, art, music.

And where was most of the anti-Semitism taking place? It was in Europe. Yeah. So like, who killed most of them? Yeah. Why Europeans? So like, what the hell are you now going on about? And like, but the thing is, certain people, certain Zionists have now portrayed a caricature of Muslims as uncouth, uncivilized, you know, depraved and lesser, lesser human beings. And because we're lesser human beings, I think the ultimate agenda is

to make it acceptable and palatable for us in the West to go and bomb them and change their regimes and exploit their resources, because you know what? They're lesser people. They're not like us. We're civilized here in the West. They're barbarians. I mean, it's only a matter of what about, I'm trying to think, 1920s, when the Pope

felt obliged to disassociate the whole of the Roma Catholic Church from the misuse of a single verse in Matthew's Gospel. We all know the story. Jesus is pulled up in front of Pontius Pilate, and Pontius Pilate starts engaging with the crowd, and they call for his crucifixion, and immediately after that, when he says to them,

You know, what are you, how are you going to cope with this? They say his death be upon us and upon our children. So those verses were used for the purpose of supporting and agreeing to antisemitism for millennia, you know, almost 2000 years. So it was only in the 1920s that that came to an end. So, you know,

Yes, this whole thing of actually trying to reject people based on their upbringing and so on is something which I just don't understand. It's just othering and the whole purpose of it is to indoctrinate the population into accepting that you can treat the other group deplorably.

because they are deserving of that. And we've seen it with COVID. If you're unvaccinated, you're dirty, you're dangerous, you're a granny killer. You make that other person, the othering process makes them subhuman, makes them deserving of your hate, your righteous indignation,

Yeah, you're punishment on them. And the more you punish this other group, this vile group, the better you are. And so now we are competing to be cruel and evil to these. And so, for example, again, like a lot of what we're saying now in Gaza and Palestine, everybody fell for all the lies that's now been exposed by Max Blumenthal, fantastic Jewish investigative journalist. I recommend everybody watches documentary on the Grey Zone in atrocity ink.

where he's shown all the propaganda that we were told on October 7 of the babies are being raped, babies are being martyred and beheaded. Never happened. Never happened. But you know what? When you are led to believe these people did this, your natural instinct is like, those barbarians, we need to go there and kill them and destroy them. And you're being manipulated by that. But as you are, you know, the problem is it's not just, you know, the other ring is not not just of Muslims.

As I say it, the other ring is of anyone who is different, as you say. Absolutely. Unvaccinated people are other. Lots of people. So listen, let's go back and including Jews, by the way, that's why I did a podcast with Larry Pallavesti saying, stop saying it's the Jews.

It's not the blacks, it's not the package, it's not the Muslims, it's not the Jews. Is anyone who's different? Is anyone different? No, it's anyone who's bad. Anyone who is genuinely bad, they're the problem. And they're good and bad people in every race, ethnicity, country,

religion, everything, company, organization, right? Yeah. Like there's no monopoly. Like there's no monopoly of badness with any one group of people. That's not true. But listen, let's go back to boarding school, right? Like, how are we used for you? I mean, like you aren't a tall guy. And this has come from a guy who's not tall. I'm five foot seven. You're what? Five foot six, five or five, right? Five six. All right. So like you're, you're like me. I know what it felt like, you know, the smallest kid in the class, probably, you know, picked last in the sports team.

You've been sent away by your parents. Some people have met, said, oh, boarding school was amazing. I loved it. It was fantastic. I think, what's the point of having kids, though, if you're sending them away? You want to bring your kids up? You want to impart your values on them? My two sons went to boarding school. The circumstances were very different. First of all, the whole sector had changed beyond all recognition.

And secondly, my first wife and I were going through a divorce. My logic was they've got their mum's space. They've got my space. They need their own space. So that that was the logic. And if you talk to my to my sons, they'll both say to you, they had a ball at boarding school. But this was 30 more than 30 years after me. You know, it wasn't the same thing at all. So I think

Some boarding schools are doing a reasonably good job now. Were any doing a good job in the 1950s? I don't think so. I think even the teaching was poor. My parents were paying for the privilege of their son being beaten up and not being taught very much.

I will come back to you being beaten up in a second. I'm sorry to hear that. I mean, I'm, you know, I talked about this affair. I'm, you know, I'm hopefully going to be home educating my kids. I'm going the opposite direction. I do have me spending time away from my kids for even a few days. It kills me. I recently, I went to the UK column Bristol live event. And, you know, it's a two year drive and, like, you know, I left at six in the morning, got there,

It was a very busy day. It was fully packed. It was very tiring. And they said, look, we'll give you a hotel room the night so you can, you know, you don't need to go home the same day. And I went into my hotel room, checked in, and you know, I looked around the empty beds. They gave me two double beds gone, that's why. And I just had a pang of longing to be with my family. You see my little bedroom, you know, when my little boy sleep. So I drove back home that same night. I couldn't be away even one night.

And I fully understand that. Am I just pathetic? In addition to my two sons, one is just under 40 and the other's just over 40. And Janey and I have got a 24-year-old daughter. She never would have gone to boarding school.

over both our dead bodies backstage, not just me, but my wife as well. And therefore, when you speak the way you do about your kids, I mean, that strikes home immediately to me because it does actually... Oh, that's them.

Now, you see, I've any ever seen the back of them. Yeah. And every time I've looked at the... Are they adorable? Absolutely wonderful. Why would I want to be away from them? Yeah. And the thing is, the thing is, James, I'm not bashing boarding school, but like every day they come up and say something. And it's in the quiet moments. And the thing is, I don't think enough parents listen to their children.

and hear them talk and respect them. And the stuff they say, and it's oftentimes, you know, when they're on the lure, it's just me and them in the kitchen. And they just suddenly open up and say things. And it's just incredible. And I think, you know, if I didn't have these moments, you know, it just flies by and I'll have missed out on all of this. Yeah, no, it's, I mean, I think

kids actually get a lot out of contact with their parents. As parents do out of contact with their kids, the only thing that I would say is I spent about 12 years as a governor of a group of multiracial schools in Southeast London, in Lewisham. I had three and a half thousand kids in these schools. Wow.

The executive head teacher was John Pina, the broadcast sister, Erica Pina. And I once said to her, where do most of the behavioral problems come from, Erica? And she responded, parents trying to be friends with their children. Yeah. And that needs to be thought about because the kids desperately need love.

But if you try to be a friend, you know, it becomes something completely different. You need boundaries. Yeah. And they will always be testing. Yeah. And, you know, yeah, and the limits. Yeah. And yeah, you need to then push back. And I like them testing because that's the whole part of their development. Oh, sure. But they, you know, they know who is. Yeah. So go back to boarding school. Right. Okay. You've been beaten up, bullied,

How did you grow up to be an adult with no trauma, not holding on to being a victim, not suffering anxiety and depression, not becoming an abuser in your own right, not becoming an alcoholic? How did you survive that tough time and come out still whole? Or were you not and did you need to heal? Oh, boy, yes, I've needed to heal.

You see in front of you now someone who's comfortable in his own skin, but I haven't always been. I went through a really, really tough time mentally at the time of the breakup in my first marriage. I was suicidal. That took place in 1990. So how old were you then? I was then 39.

similar to me. Yeah. I went through break up on my first measurement was 36. Right. Very similar. Anyway, Karen. And so yes, I mean, I was suicidal. And I was on I was on antidepressants. I now know looking back that that, you know, was was not a not a good thing. But having said that, I had a, you know, I had a doctor who was very, very honest. What he actually said to me was,

I'm going to put you on antidepressants, but do not think they're going to cure you. What they might do and what I hope they'll do is to put you in a state of mind where you can address the reasons why you are, where you are mentally. And that's, you know, I learned a lot, like a lot of people who've been through mental problems, I learned so much that I never ever went back there. And I'm now

entirely comfortable with who I am. And there are all sorts of things that have led to that. I think I've learned, for example, that if you give to other people, you gain far more than they do. That's quite a revelation when you're in your 40s or 50s to realize that.

Yeah. And I've learned about the power of prayer. I've learned about belief, because I think, you know, I was a Christian minister for years until I retired. So, you know, I've actually got myself into a situation where I'm now a balanced individual, but I haven't always been.

I really haven't. And I look back and there's stuff that I'm very uncomfortable about looking back. Well, thanks for sharing that with me. And the rest of the world, because your pub goes out internationally. And thank you. Thank you for, you know,

Yeah, just being honest with me. And I think people need to hear that. Like we all have our traumas. We all have, I had the same, you know me. I was very insecure for a very long time. I back to it with my demons. And yeah, that's the one thing, you know, people always say, Oh, what would you say to people on your grave?

I feel like on your deathbed, on your grave, on your deathbed before you go in the grave. I'd be like to my kids, you know, just be happy with who you are. Just accept yourself. Don't worry about what other people think of you. Yeah. Oh boy. Don't worry about that. Just, it's the most liberating thing to just be yourself. And I hate to say this, but it's in this book.

subtle art of not giving a frack, not giving a frack. So it just don't give a frack. And most of this book is not saying, don't give a frack about important things like, you know, around you, you know, just accept it. No, no, no, no, it's saying, don't give a frack about what other people think of you. Yeah. Yeah. And I think, you know, there are some other, there are some other tips to people who are suffering as well.

You know that there's a tradition in Christianity of fasting during Lent and giving things out for Lent. Yeah. I actually went through a news fast. I actually, for the whole of the seven weeks of Lent, said to my wife, I'm not going to read the news. I'm not going to watch the news. I'm not going to listen to the news. So wait, hold on a second. So that thing there, that picture behind you and these pictures, you give up on all of that.

Those are Bob Moran. I've got, I've got two Bob Morans. They aren't these three, but that, I mean, that one is brilliant. Well, they're all brilliant. The BBC one. They're all brilliant. And the fear, the fear pouring out the TV. Yeah. You gave up on that. I gave up on that. Absolutely. I said to my wife, there are only two things I want to know if they happen during this period. One is I want to know if nuclear war is declared for obvious reasons. And the second one is

I would like to know if the queen dies. Yeah, neither of those things happened, but I can recommend it. I mean, seven weeks is a long time and it's quite difficult when you're traveling on the London Underground. You've got to look at your shoelaces because of the copies of newspapers all around you.

But I did it. And what happened? I found that I was beginning to actually reflect on life in a way that was hugely beneficial in which I've not lost. I mean, I do now follow the news, not

as voraciously as I used to, but I do. I like to keep in touch. I don't read the newspapers or watch the BBC or any of those things, but I do. But I somehow learned something during that period that's not left me. And that is the reflection on life. It's almost impossible for most people because they're too busy. They're rushing from one thing to another.

But if you can force yourself to reflect, even if it's only during the whatever it might be, three, four, five minutes that you're showering in the morning, you can do that without thinking about what you're doing. You know, you just go through the motions. What you're describing is almost is an essence meditation. Yeah. Yeah. It's meditation. It's prayer.

You know, people talk about prayer and the vision they conjure up is of people on their knees, you know, in church. Well, I think standing in the garden, looking at a butterfly and wondering about the pattern on its wings, that's a form of prayer. Worrying about friends or family who are not in a good place, that's definitely prayer. You don't need to actually put words, you know, God knows that you

care about these things. And it does you good, which is why I called my blog site reflective preacher, because I think I've learned so much in a very short period of time. I mean, I didn't know how to reflect, but I do now my entire life revolves around reflecting on what's happening in the world around me. Right. Before we jump into your blog.

Where are we left off with the sewage business sludge? Because there's more, I think. Oh, there is. Tell me what else have you. Well, as quickly as I can. And take your chemicals. Take your time. Chemicals.

Do you want to list the chemicals? It's pretty scary. Go for it. You've got these well-prepared notes. I'm very impressed. Analytics, antihistamines, hormones, antiseptics, anti-anginals, anti-hypertensives, hypnotics, insect repellents, antirethmics, anti-neoplastics, lipid regulators. You know all about those.

UV filters, antibiotics, anti-platelet, psychiatric drugs, synthetic muscs.

anti-carragulants, anti-protezoles, contrast media. I don't know what all of these things are, I don't know what that is. Contrast media is when you have an intervention, a medical intervention. So for example, they're doing a scan, a CT scan, or they're doing an angiogram, and they want to see if the wire's gone up the right artery, they'll inject contrast. And then X-ray.

And then they can see what's going on. Oh, if they want to see if your kidneys are functioning, they put contrast. And as you peer out, you can follow it coming at the ureters and urethra. Okay. So contrast is just, it's radioactive, a radioactive material. And sometimes, and it's sometimes non radioactive material. Um, but yeah, you can also have reactions to them. Anaphylactic reaction is to contrast.

Okay. Non-ionic surfactants, antidiabetics, beta agonists, receptor antagonists, anti-emitics, beta blockers, stimulants, antifungals, diuretics. All of those things have been found in sewage sludge. Most of them are in daily use in our lives and they either get washed off our bodies or they actually get ingested and then come out via poo and wheat.

Wow. And so this is in the sludge. This is in... Because this is stuff that's been found in the sludge. The stuff that you've talked about, I've heard, I had a guest on. She's actually a friend of mine. The podcast hasn't come out yet. Nicole Anson, basically, she talked about water, tap water. And a lot of these things are in tap water.

which is why I distill my water. Everybody listening, check out my code in this show notes. I get 20 pounds for that. So basically, yeah, I distill all the water. And I'll show you, I don't know if you got distiller, but I'll show you all the sludge on the inside of the distiller. It's like, oh my God. I only came here with one thing on my side today. And that was to ask about your distiller, because I'm on the verge of buying one. And I just wanted to hear what you had to say about it.

Oh, I love it. I'll show you when we go back in. It's called water pure and six liters and it takes four, five hours. And I got six liters of just pure water. And then I re-mineralize it so that there's little hydration packets you can get from hunter gather again. I got a code for that guys in the show notes. And so we put the salts back into the water and that's it. And then you scrape and clean the bottom of that distiller of the crap. How often?

How do I have to know? So I scrub it between every clean and then once a week I'll put some stuff in it that then cleans it all up. But when you look at it, you'll be like shocked. Because we've got a 300 meter roughly, private water pipe.

because we live so much in the middle of nowhere that the main water doesn't come to our house. Oh, wow. So fairly recently, I think following, listening to some stuff you'd said, or one of your guests would say that I bought a water tester. Oh, yes. And it tested positive for lead. Oh, sure. It tested positive for pesticides.

Oh, which is why I'm now on the verge of buying a distiller. Yeah, I mean, this is the problem. I think the problem is that even with your, for example, private water pipe, there's probably some dense and borehole and, you know, the water table is now so contaminated. Yeah. Because they're spraying the glycophosphates and all the garbage and the sludge and all the crap and all the we. And it just, you know, goes into our water table.

Yeah, and people actually think that buying bottled water, which is what we've been doing as a family drinking bottled water. And it's coming from that same water table. Exactly. It's falling through the atmosphere and picking stuff up. And then it's going into the... And of course, in addition now, you've got plasticizers.

from the plastic that the water's put into. Well, listen, I'm going to do a little plug-in now. I'm going to do just because while we're talking. So if everybody goes to water pure,

.co.uk forward slash doc malloc. And you don't put my code in anywhere. It would just recognize that it's come from me. And their water distillers are great. And you can find everything you need. And I'll be honest with you, I was quite impressed because we had a problem with our water distiller. And we've had now like, I don't know, three, four years, I broke down. And basically I mentioned, Oh, something's gone wrong. Oh, it's within the two year worn trails and you're another one.

And then that one didn't work. And then she sent another one and it worked for four months and something broke. And then she sent another one. And since then, the last two years, it's been fine. But we had a bit of a problem, but it was never the case of, oh, no, we can't. It was just like, okay, give me your address. Have you tried this? All right. Fine. I'll send you a new part. So this, I'll be honest with you, the customer service was excellent. So just email. And I mean, the other thing is that some of your listeners might know that actually,

If you go out onto the market, you start looking about how to clean up your water. I mean, you can spend almost 4,000 pounds on a whole house filtration system. Oh, wow. And it's only filtering out some of them. Yes. It's not filtering them all out. You've got to use distillery, I think, to do that. And we've got a hard water filter for use in our coffee machine and our kettle. Yes.

But again, it's not removing all of it. There's still a lot of limescale getting through. Yeah, so what we do is we have share heads that have got special filters that we change every two, three months for that same reason. I think putting in the water system for the whole house, which is too much money.

But with the distiller, I mean, the distiller runs pretty much day and night because we use it for even just boiling vegetables, washing fruit. So, you know, anything cooking, we use it. The water is for the coffee. It's for all the kids' water every morning for their pack laundry. So we do go through quite a lot of water. But yeah, it's distilled because you're getting nothing but water and then whatever you add back in, you know.

Yeah, we look to other systems and I cut like this the best. You know, and people say, oh, well, you know, and it's a couple of hundred quid. So you said it's a fraction of 250 pads or something like that. I mean, some might be say, well, what about the electricity? Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's a bit of electricity there. But yeah, it's the system that I prefer. I like it. OK, I know what I'm getting out of it is just water. Yeah. And none of this crap. Yeah. So wow, you tested all your water and it's got all the stuff in it.

I mean, it didn't test positive for the really nasty stuff, you know, it didn't have arsenic or too many or any of that. That kind of really nasty stuff. But it did. Yeah, it tested positive for pesticides. And I guess that must come from all of the spraying that goes on. I mean, because we're in the middle of nowhere, we see

We see spraying going on on the fields around us all the time. We don't know what it is. Have you asked your farmer? Yeah. And what did they say? I rang up on one occasion because there was a boom sprayer just outside our house. Okay. And it was drifting into our pond and into our garden.

Oh, the spree. Yeah. Because you're downwind. So I rang up and about two months later. Yeah. I got the message back. You were probably right there, James. You were probably right. In other words, they were doing it on a day that was too windy, but they aren't obliged to tell anyone what they're using. What? They aren't. They don't have to tell you. You didn't find out what they were putting in your water? Well, I did on that occasion because I rang up. It was an antifungal.

concoction. And so how often are they spraying the fields? Well, when I was a boy, spraying did take place, but it was mostly against things like aphids, which can devastate a crop, you know, when the aphids and numbers are high. I can get that. Now they're spraying for everything.

And growing things like oilseed rape, which I know that you know about, yeah, I can see your eyes, oilseed rape has to be sprayed all the time. And after it's harvested, the seeds of the oilseed rape are so tiny that a lot of them fall into the ground and the rape starts regenerating. Then you've got to use a really nasty chemical, the glyphosate round up.

in hundreds or thousands of gallons. You've known a modestly sized farm. So I kid you're not. I'm walking with the family. You know, if you.

I'll show you, actually. Across the road, we're in the fields. There's no houses opposite me, it's just fields. And that's where I go down with the wife and run in the woods and everything. But one day we were walking, we had family over, and we were just walking along the woods and everything. It's just not very nice. And suddenly over the hill, this massive tractor comes along with two big booms with sprains.

And we were like, wow, look at that. Oh, look, his tractor, blah, blah, blah. And then the wind just changed directions slightly. And we were suddenly inhaling the stuff. And when I say we thought we were suffocating and choking, I'm not exaggerating. We had to run. Like it was like some mist of death. We had to run like crazy.

Right. And then, and then we would get to the world gasping, we're coughing, we're spluttering. And I'm thinking, what is this shit that they are spraying on our foot? And we're going to be eating this thing. Yeah. Yeah. So just going back to sewage sludge again, one of the things most people talk shit again. Most people don't know what this is. But if you live in the countryside, you sure as hell do. Why smell?

You can smell this stuff from hundreds of yards away, isn't it? It just sticks in the back of the throat. Ah. To say it's unpleasant is a huge understatement. It is foul. The coat of practice says that they shouldn't be smells. They're supposed to get it into the ground as soon as they... But we've had sewage sludge sitting in giant piles for months, you know, from the spring through to the... after the crops have been harvested.

So that's really, really unpleasant. But again, the literature shows that this stuff translates into aerosols, which we all learned about during COVID if we didn't know about them. Well, it has to be if you're smelling it. Yeah. That's only where you can. Like air aerosols, you're inhaling it. And likely, if you're driving up the M1,

And you've got air coming into the car. You are quite likely to be breathing this stuff in if you're doing the length of the M1. Surrounded by fields. And you might not smell it, but it travels up to a mile. So if you drive within a mile of sewage sludge, you are likely breathing it in.

Okay, so hold on a second. So we've all been on the car journeys where, you know, we've gone into the countryside and suddenly we hit with this smell and it's cow, cow, and my parents would go, oh, those are the cows. And we're like, oh, we turn up a nose, but it's not that offensive, but you can just, you can smell the cow smell. Hey, Gage is offensive, but this is worse. So this is worse? Human. Yeah. It doesn't smell as, what should we say? It's not natural.

No, and it smells curiously enough. This is semi-solid. It smells more of urine than it does a poo. But it's a very unpleasant smell.

So, oh my God, so here I am thinking, oh, I would love to have like a homestead, five, 10 acres out in the countryside in the middle of nowhere, just get away from everything, you know, be self-sufficient, have my goats and chickens, all right? And now you're telling me, yeah, you could get that, but then you're surrounded by this sewage sludge and life is actually shit.

I don't want it. It depends where you go. You go out in your garden, you're stinking and they're spraying the stuff just next to your house and you're and you're and you're breathing it in. I mean, suddenly your dream has become a nightmare. So what do you do about this? Yeah, what do you do about it? Well, I have to say that my wife and I and I now daily take one of Clive de Carl's products, which is actually called, if I can come drop it some

It's not crazy. I'm beginning to get to an age. One of his products, which detoxes. That's the basic principle behind it. The name will come to me before I leave here, I'm sure.

So we take that, but do we know if that's working? Yeah. Do we know what we're breathing in? What about smell? Do we know what we're eating? And what about the smell? And the smell, well, the smell stays as long as it's on the surface. And, you know, if it's a dry period and there's no rain, it can hang around for weeks, weeks and weeks. And it's spread mostly after the harvest. So by definition, it's fairly dry.

So anyway, that's probably enough about, about sewage. No, I've got another question. So like, we talk about organic, right, organic food. We want organic food. Is this huge, sludge, deemed organic, or is this like not organic?

I don't know, because I don't want organic food that has the spade on it. But if they're saying, oh, it's natural, it's just natural waste. It's organic. But do you see what I mean? Yeah, I do. And actually, there's why have we got sewage sludge? We've got sewage sludge hardly because of net zero. The push to net zero means that you can't burn it. And we've got it also, because it is in inverted commas, sustainable.

You know, and in fact, there's never going to run out. We can keep pumping it. Well, as long as the population's growing, we've got more and more and more of this stuff, and we aren't growing any land anymore. So we've got more and more of it to get rid of, which is one of the reasons why it was fascinating.

that only yesterday this was in the news where the farmers as basically a reaction to the threat to bring them into the inheritance tax regime have threatened to stop taking deliveries of sewage sludge. Have they? Yeah. And you see, I don't know the whole truth behind this, but I suspect that this is waste from the wastewater treatment plants.

And they've got to get rid of this stuff. And my suspicion is that in some cases, they have actually been paying the farmers to take it off their hands. They've certainly been providing it free of charge.

So if the farmer stopped taking it, they've somehow got, oh my god, I found a daily telegraph article. I'm just sharing the screen. Carry on what you're saying. And I'll read it. So yes. So hit the news yesterday. And one of the things which I noticed, because I listened to as many or watched and read as many things as I could, is that

Let me give Julia Hartley Brewer's comment as a classic. Sludge, she said, yesterday, is hugely beneficial because people are buying a line which originated in the EU, that it's sustainable, it's organic matter, it's perfectly safe, it's doing good for the soil.

What they aren't picking up is all the negative side because the wastewater companies are making damn sure they don't. Absolutely. It's all the inversion again. Exactly. You know about my inversions. It's just another inversion. It is another inversion. So I've got the telegraph here. Farmers threaten sewage strike over inheritance tax. Workers may call to pick your children's future first by stopping spreading sludge on their land. And what's funny is

I have a lot of sympathy for the farmers. I really do. But what I would say to the farmers is, well, you're actually putting your children's future at risk right now by spraying the sludge, my friends. You're taking the money from the surge companies, thinking, yeah, you're buying their bullshit. But because you're getting money for it, you're probably not asking too many questions. And it's tough being a farmer. You don't make much money. So someone's willing to give you money to spray this shit. Literally.

and tell you it's good for the soil, you'll be like, okay, whatever, great. But this is not good for you. It's not just organic matter. It's poisoning the land and the soil and threatening our generations ahead of us. Their livelihoods, the illness, sickness, disease that's going to come down the line.

It's an inversion. And again, the EU and the environment of people will sell this and the sewage companies, the water companies will sell it to you like, no, this is sustainable. This is still good for the environment. But it's actually not, isn't it? It's really bad for the environment. It's like we started growing oil seed rate in the 80s, I think.

Oh, late 17. Yeah, rapeseed oil. And you know the history behind that one? No, tell me. Well, it's poisonous. It's toxic, but someone actually managed to develop a version of oilseed rape that had less of this particular toxin in it. Wow. They've not removed it all, but it's got less. So for the Americans, we're talking about canola. Yes, that's right. And effectively, what's happened now

is that oil seed rape is turned into rape oil, canola oil, which is then added to so many products you wouldn't believe. No, trust me, I do. 85% of all mayonnaise are made with rape oil. Yeah, and I just want to clarify, when you see that,

Actually, I think 99% of mayonnaise are made using rapeseed oil. But of a jar of mayonnaise, 85% of that jar is rapeseed oil. I think that's what you're trying to say. That could be right. Trust me, I've checked it, which is again, why I recommend everybody get hunter-gatherer avocado oil.

and whatever else mayonnaise because it's rapeseed oil-free. It's seed oil-free mayonnaise. But basically, I've looked to all the mayonnaisees, I've gone to the supermarkets, the posh ones, like, wait, Troy, I've been to Sainsbury's, I look at all the jars, oh, look, this kind of like artisan-looking mayonnaise. And I look at the ingredients, 79% rapeseed oil, 85% rapeseed oil.

It's all rapeseed oil. So when you have a jar of mayonnaise, it's pure rapeseed oil. And then when you go out to McDonald's and you have mayonnaise there, when you go to a fancy restaurant, you have mayonnaise there, you're just having pure rapeseed oil practically.

And if you, if you have highly inflammatory, a fried product, yeah, fried in rape oil. And then you put rape oil in on in the form of mustard or mayonnaise, you're getting a double dose. So why does this matter? The phrase which I love to use, you've had either come in some of your. Yeah. Yeah.

What I ever says in his book, which is great, eat rich, live long, I can recommend that and I'm not paid by him, but it had a big effect on me. Yeah. And he says, I all means, I rape oil and put it in your motor mower. Exactly. Whatever you do, do not put it in your body.

Yeah, because it's got a toxin. It's complete toxic. Yeah. I don't think it's just that one little chemical that's in the actual native plant. I mean, it's the fact that they had benzions to it. And there's a lot of heat processing. There's deodorization. It's rancid. It's off. It's dead already. They color it. The colorization. That's why you get all these fancy yellows.

It is actually grey. It's grey industrial lubricant slime and it's packaged as food. It's natural, it's vegetable oil and I'm telling it as a kid, James. I would be like...

Like my children, these children here, they were looking at me and go, I'd be like, Mum, how do vegetables make oil? Yeah, yeah, quite good. Yeah. Where does the oil come from? Yeah. And no one could ever answer me. And I just, as a kid, was like, something's a bit off here. Yeah. Something's a bit weird, but then your life gets through, gets by and other things distract you. Yeah. It fucking makes sense. Yeah. It's bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely right. I mean, there is, I have to say,

It is quite difficult to actually living life. You know, if you take the extremes of all of the guests that you've had on, you know, Mr. Ali Menyam, a person talking about how to defend yourself when Armageddon comes. I listened to that one and I thought, oh, I can't do that.

Well, okay, I've got a generator and I've got a wood burning stove, but some of the more extreme stuff about having an underground bunker. So you can't absolutely eliminate everything that's dangerous from your life.

All you can do is what's sensible to try and reduce it as much as possible.

But lard is great as well. Coconut. Yeah, we've got coconut. That's good for curries and stuff. It adds a nice flavor of its own. Yeah, absolutely. So we've got all that stuff. And we're just very careful. And you brought some salmon. Fantastic. And when I cook, so today I'm going to just, I will put some drizzle some olive oil on the salmon, wrap it in the foil, season it, wrap it in the foil, and put it in the oven for half an hour. It'll be done perfect. It'll be perfect, right?

And I'll make some sweet potato fries, which I've got from organic sweet potatoes. And I'll cook them in beef tallow. And they'll come out really crispy and nice. And that's it. That's kids meal, right? Job done. Yeah. Boom. And the thing is you don't need to eat stuff that's coming from a packet. Eat.

eat a plant, by all means, if you're inclined, eat anything that ate a plant. But if it was made in a factory plant, give it a miss. Yeah, that's right. The industrialization is the problem. The industrialization of our food and the so-called convenience.

Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, so often, I mean, if you go through our woods, we've got a lot of ash dye back. So they've been felling a lot of trees. So in the old days, they'd log up the trunk.

and then they burn to get rid of all the branches. They don't do that now. They just shove the branches into the hedge and there they stay. And that's wonderful for wildlife, isn't it? No, the reason you're doing it is because it's cheap. You don't have to cut the branches up and set fire to them.

You know, so a lot of the stuff that we get sold on is actually just, it's just about money. It is. That's nothing else. Perverse incentives, isn't it? Yeah. Do you know what I'm thinking? I'm thinking right now. It's so funny when I reached out to you and I said, Oh, you know what? And I rang you on your line line and my reception is not great. And we're chatting and you're like, Oh, are you sure you want to have me on as a guest? I was like, yeah. And I'm thinking I made the right decision.

Well, what a lovely thing for you to say. I feel honoured to be here, really, in a way. My life has been so widespread. I suppose, for the sake of your viewers, I should say, I have no qualification to talk about sewage sludge. I've just bothered to research it because it's all around me.

I spent my life running engineering businesses, so I can bore for Britain on how to make stuff and how sad it is that our manufacturing industry has been chucked down the drain and why that's happened, all of that. And I've been in the church, so I can talk to you about the dreadful state of the Church of England and why it's so dreadful.

But, you know, Sujlaj, James, call me Suijblat, you know. Well, you're here exactly for the reason that you're not an expert. Okay. I can't stand experts. Oh, well, I suppose what I'm meant to say was that I'm not qualified. You know, I'm not a chemist or any of those things.

You know, I mean, I think no, but what you are, what you are my friend is independent and you are not driven by any conflicts of interest. And all you care about is the pursuit of truth. And the reason why I don't like a lot of the so-called experts and qualified people is because they are driven by conflicts of interest and not the pursuit of truth. And sometimes they even believe their own bullshit.

You've got it spot on. That is a big problem. It's a big problem. So that's why my guess, I don't give a damn what your qualifications are. I don't give a damn about the followings that you have, your social media presence, how important you are, what books you've written, how it will boost my podcast by having a big figure on, you know, I'll give a shit about that.

All I care about is, does my guest have something important to say? Have they got some wisdom and knowledge or facts that we are not aware of? And is it not corrupted in any way? And are they truly independent? My friend, you take all those boxes? Oh, well, bless you for saying that. I mean, I think

Funnily enough, we ended up drifting off into my schooling and boarding school and being bullied and all that sort of stuff. I find it quite interesting to know what it is psychologically that makes people like you and me.

What is it in our background? Out of all of your orthopedic surgeons, why were you the only one prepared to stand up and be counted? And I think the first time I spoke to you, I said I had a similar kind of reputation when I was running companies. One boss memorably said to me, James, you're much better at managing down than you are managing up.

And that was because I thought it was my job to manage down and make sure my employees were well motivated, were looked after, etc. I didn't have the same commitment to looking after my boss. That was his business. Yes. And you weren't sucking up to people. So I've always been.

a real maverick, you know, right, right the way back. And maybe, maybe some of the, what lies at the, the, the roots of that is what happened to be important school. Maybe what boarding school actually did was to teach me never ever to be taken in by that kind of environment ever again. Wow. My friend. I think we have a little bit in common, although

not to the same degree as your situation. So I grew up in a very poor part of Glasgow, very rough at the time in the 1980s. All the industries and shipyards are closed down. So you had a lot of young men out of work.

generationally there were people unemployed, you know, the dad would never work, the son or work, you know, single parents, huge heroin problem, huge alcohol problem. I have his life expectancy. I kid you not. And my neck of the woods was like, early 40s for a guy. Yeah. So it was rough. And then throw into the mix, you know, you're the only brown kid. And people find that funny because like, I'm not that dark. I'm quite, you know, you know, but as a kid,

You know, I was slightly different. I wasn't the blonde, blue-eyed, little red, ginger, Scottish kid. Well, you've got to go back to Billy Connolly that in Scotland, you need three days in the sun to go blue. Yeah. And then need a further three days to go pink. But you start off translucent. So against that background, you'd look very different. Yeah. So I looked different. And you got a funny name, Ahmed Malik, and you know, all that kind of stuff. And there was a tiny bit of bullying, not a lot, but there was.

And and I was just also, you know, I was different. Were you on the receiving end? I was on the receiving end, but I fought back. I didn't take it, but I knew I had to stand up for myself because no one else was going to. Yeah. And I also stood up for other kids sometimes because I just thought it was wrong. Yeah. Does that make sense? Absolutely. But because I was different, different name, different religion, different color,

I resented that difference, but then I also accepted that difference. And then the way I accepted it was I took pride in it. And I realized I was special. I wasn't like everyone else. And actually, I don't want to be like everyone else. I initially resented being the odd one out, but then actually welcomed the fact that I was unique and special. And I didn't follow the group thing. I didn't want to be part of the group. And quite often, it's funny, as a kid, I grew up

I think very mature, like I was like a 25 year old, even as a 5 year old. So when all my friends were giggling and making funny jokes or they found an empty beer can of tenants Lager with a

a topless girl on the back. And those days, that's what they did. The beer cans had topless women on them. They'd be snickering and whatever. And I would be like, what's so funny about that? I didn't find, and when they would be doing dick jokes and boob jokes, I never found it funny. I never found any of that stuff. I didn't go along when everybody was obsessed with the football and who scored a goal from 20 years ago and the winning fight. I didn't find that. So I was always a bit aloof.

And the funny thing is I see that my son now, you know, I said how was cool to you is I was I was fine I was running around the playground. I was like okay, were you playing with it? No, they're all playing football is that you don't want to play football? No, it's a stupid game. I just I'm just running. It's fine. So he's already like me. So I think there's a genetic element to it. He's kind of aloof. I don't know. I don't feel like I want to.

you know, belong to a group. I'm quite happy to belong to a group when I want, but when I see them saying or doing something that I don't like, I'm quite happy going my own path. And apparently it's someone, what am I? One of my listeners told me, you're a Sigma male. I didn't know about this. I thought I only knew about alpha males and beta males. Alpha wants to dominate and control beta wants to follow, subservient, submissive. Sigma is like an alpha, but doesn't feel the need to dominate over others.

Okay. Can join a group when they want to, can be social. Yeah. But actually, when everyone's doing something they don't like, they're quite happy walking their own path. Yeah. You see, I would, I would recognize myself in that. I mean, there you go. You're sick, my male. Maybe, maybe. I mean, Mattias does met. Have you read his book? Haven't read it, but I heard so much very, very good. And the good bit is what he says at the end, which is the,

He didn't use the term Sigma male, but he said that there are people of a personality, he then describes the personality of a lot of your followers who will form the basics on which to build a remnant that will fight back against the madness that's going on in the world. And he said it doesn't need to be more than 15%. Exactly. I agree on that. It doesn't have to be more than 15%. Yeah. Yeah.

It'll be very interesting. Okay. So I think we've done sludge now. Bye bye, sludge. Let's stop talking shit. Let's talk. Let's get on to some important stuff now. So basically, um, you've talked about madness of the world. Again, you're of that age. We look around you like, what, what do you think? And the question is, why are so many people? And like, would you consider yourself a baby boomer?

Well, I guess I am. Yeah, why are so many baby boomers? Why did they fall for the bullshit? I looked up to one thing I realized, you know, I was disappointed with wisdom doesn't come of age.

I thought those who grew older and wiser would have been able to see through the bullshit and would have been the first ones to say, I don't need protecting. I want my grandchildren protected. And Bob Moran has done a great piece where it says, protecting the vulnerable. And it's an old man, a grandpa with his grandchild. Stabbist. Stabbist. Yeah. And what I'm trying to say... That was what lost him his job, wasn't it? That very kind too. Was it? I think so. So when I'm trying to say it's like,

When did they think it was OK to put their grandchildren in front of them to protect themselves? Because as a parent, I would go in front of a bullet to save my kids. What happened to your generation? Is that harsh? Am I being too harsh? You see, I think I'd viewed it a little bit differently. I think let's use this phrase as the capsule, the sigma, not male, the sigma people.

I don't think there are any fewer as a percentage in my age group than they are in yours or my sons. Bingo. I think it's a very small percentage in all those age groups. But you're right that you don't actually, I mean, look at how people behave. I mean, we all know people who

Instead of reflecting, go through life automatically. And I kind of understand that. I mean, one of the things with our 24-year-old daughter, you do need to teach your kids to put one foot in front of the other in life. You can't afford to allow your kids to actually turn into snowflakes. So there is a degree of that, okay? But when it goes beyond that,

initial resilience for one of a better word. It becomes effectively just automatic. You never think of turning on anything except for the BBC or Sky. You would never dream of getting your news from anywhere other than those two places. You would never dream of questioning the medical fraternity. They're absolutely to be worshipped.

What are you telling me? You know, back in the days, the doctor and the vicar were the two people who had the highest social position in the community. And you're saying that the trust, yeah? And you're saying that you should now reject those people for talking absolute rubbish? Well, sadly, yes, but there aren't many people that are prepared to do that. I have been shocked to find how ignorant people are.

It's highly educated. Yes. Highly indoctrinated. Infactively. Highly ignorant. Yeah. If anything, I think, you know, the American election, one of the things which I found in the last 24 hours is that it's the most highly paid people who voted for Kamala, and it's the most highly educated

people who voted for Kamala. So it's quite interesting, isn't it? Highly paid, highly educated and highly stupid. How you could vote for Kamala? Well, anyway, that's a whole different ballgame that we don't want to go into. But I think

Yeah. And I think, you know, what's really, what's really, really uncomfortable is I've got people in my life like this. You've, you've almost certainly mentioned you've mentioned people in your life like this. If they are ever made to wake up and see what's been done to them, it's going to result in millions of seriously mentally ill people.

Yeah, I'm afraid. Some would argue they're already mentally ill. I mean, I give an example. You know, I met someone probably your age. And they're like, Oh, I just saw on the BBC that there's new drugs and cures for Alzheimer's.

And I said, nah, I think what you'll find is there's no cure. And what they're doing is they're just selling some new drug that's probably not even tried and tested or safe. But it's just a way of big pharma profiting from this. And they're like, man, I'm okay with that conspiracy theory. And then a few hours later, I got a newsletter from Chris X thing. I'm upset and angry. And this is why I need was talking about

The fact that the Lancet had come out with a study saying we should try these drugs, but the paper was ridiculously poor and it's research. There was no evidence to show that any of these drugs worked. There was no mention of a cure. There were just ways of big pharma profiting from the misery of Alzheimer's. And the paper was fundamentally flawed and unscientific. And the BBC had taken this paper and run with it and were pushing out their propaganda. Yeah.

And so I mentioned this to the person and I was, ah, Chris Xley, Mr. Aluminium, you know him. And we were like, yes. I was like, he's just mentioned in this newsletter, her sub-stack about this newspaper and news, um, thing that you've just heard. And it's exactly what I thought. And instead of saying, Oh, wow, tell me more about it. It was like, where's, where's Chris X again, his information from? Yeah. Yeah. And then, and at that point, I thought,

When you watched the BBC clip, did you ask the same question? Dear BBC, where are you getting your information from? Let's look at the source data and analyze it. No.

The response was, oh, wow, the BBC said this drug. Oh, wow, that can fix a minute. This is amazing. Yeah. And now when someone challenges that, your automatic assumption is, well, well, well, well, where's the science? Don't confuse me with the facts. Don't confuse me with the facts. What is the fact? Do you see what I mean by wisdom doesn't come with age. And I think you nailed it when you said,

Their reality is just like there's no monopoly of violence and ignorance and hatred and bad people with any race, color, religion. It's just across every human species. It's the same with this freedom gene, warrior gene.

certain proportion of the age group and whether you're 70, 80, 60, 50, 40, 30, 20, there's certain people who are free thinkers. Yeah. And there's certain majority who are not. Yeah. It's as simple as that. Yeah. Yeah. And I think, you know, one characteristic that, um, that the, the asleep people for one of the better. No, I hate saying asleep, but yes, not fully aware. One, one characteristic that they share,

is that they all have opinions that they don't read or do any research or any due diligence on anything. And when you talk to them, you become dumbfounded as to how ignorant they are. It's painful. It is. It's painful. Painful and worrying. Yeah. Yeah. But all I can do, you know, I mean, our daughter,

Realistically, a 24-year-old having been to Nottingham University for three years and so should be one of those people. She isn't.

She is absolutely like I am. Amazing. Which is amazing. And I bet you're so proud because, yeah, I've got two girls. I love my girls and I'm raising them to be warriors. Yeah. Physically and mentally and independent. And it's hard because they're contrarians and then it's, you know, they're very independent. They question me. I remember it like my middle one just a couple of years ago when she was five, I said to her, you know,

You have to question everything at school, the government's telling you this and that and the school's parroting out their propaganda and oftentimes it's not good for you, so question everything. Yeah. And then she came back and said, Daddy, Daddy, you know what you told me? How do I know it's not you that's wrong and it's been washing me and actually the government is right? That's one hell of a question.

Oh, I had, I had absolutely pleased about all questions. Oh, God, yeah. The grin of my faith and my response was, give me a kiss. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's seriously good. And you know, it does, it does prove

that there's only so much we can do. I have my blog site, you've got this, you've got a huge audience and so on, and you've devoted your life to it in a way that I haven't. I don't want to become a slave to my blog site. I enjoy writing stuff when it comes to me, but I don't want to have to pump out an article every week. As I did during the first lockdown, I promised my audience that I'd

pump out something for them to read every week. So I don't want to do that. But actually, what you can do is you can ask your kids the right question. You can challenge them, allow them to challenge you. You can influence some people around you. Absolutely. But you know, the thing is, I don't want to teach my kids. I want them, and I, you know,

I want them to know how to learn. I want them to be able to learn. I don't want to do the learning for them. I want to give them the tools so that they can learn for themselves. That's my goal. And to think for themselves, because when my daughter said she wanted to study theology at Nottingham,

I was thrilled, but I wasn't thrilled because it indicated that she'd suddenly developed a deep faith and wanted to join the church because that wasn't her at all. I was thrilled because I knew that it was going to make her think. It was going to force her to go out and research

Absorb all the information and then put a reason document. I couldn't think of any better background for anyone in any kind of organization than that. Whereas if you study, well, I suppose it's a bad example in English literature, but if you study chemistry, for example, your

To a great extent. Or economics. Yeah, or economics. Economics in particular. You're absorbing facts and then regurgitate. Absolutely. You aren't thinking for yourself. Same in medicine. Actually, I've just come up with it. Yeah. Schools teach you what to think. Yeah. We...

need to teach her because how to think. Exactly right. All right. Okay. So let's talk about your blog. Well, God, you started writing your blog and what's your blog title? Okay. I prefer not to go into the details of how this happened, but I got bullied out of the church of England.

Okay. Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's okay. How can you say something like that? Well, okay. I'll give you the headline. Give me the headline. The headline was that I saw someone who was in a vulnerable position being bullied. Yeah, don't give the details. Just being bullied and I stepped in and caught all the crossfire. So as a result of that,

I had to learn very fast that I wasn't in a position to argue with this mighty machine called the Church of England. So the person doing the bullying, were they in the clergy? Were they a church elder? They were a church elder, and they got rewarded by the bishop for being a bully.

Well, well, keeping everybody in line, sorting out the troublemakers. I, you know, I'm putting wedges in your mouth. I'm trying to figure out what's going on. When I said, I don't, I don't want to go into all the detail. You, you know, better than most people, that if you start explaining the details of stuff, you've got to give so much background. I would have to start by explaining the hierarchy of the church being on how it works. And I, you know, the life's too short for that. So, so just leave it at that. I left the church.

And a lot of the congregation, quite a few of them came to me and they said, we've enjoyed listening to your preaching, James, so much. How are we going to get it? So that's why I started reflective preacher in, I'm trying to think 2018 or 19. And so to start with my audience,

was no more than a few people I knew from the village, you know, 20, 30, 40. I don't understand. I don't do social media, as you know, and I don't understand how these things work. But people, I guess, retweeted connections to some of my sermons.

And before I knew where I was, I'd got people reading my stuff all over the world in 60 or 70 countries. And the numbers were climbing every month. It's dropped off a huge amount since then, which I'm not unhappy about. I mean, I don't want to be a slave to this thing. But that's what got me started. And it does kind of encourage me

Uh, in, in something which I've explained is very important to me as a human being, which is the reflection. So it encourages me to reflect on things and then.

think to myself, okay, can I write this and make it make sense? Yeah. So I get that one of my most recent pieces was on assisted dying, which was that that came about as a result of a lot of thought, you know, very considerable amount of thought and

So, yeah, there are lots of bits. I've become a little bit more political as I've gone on, but it's still basically Christian in that it starts with biblical bits, and it finishes always with a prayer. But in between, I don't always mention God.

So I just found it now. And I was like, I wonder if this is the right one. And then it goes, Dr. Ahmed Malik's excellent speech. That's the most recent one. Yes. I very rarely post up someone else's stuff. That wasn't why I started the thing. But I thought that you're, well, I mean, you know this, because I told you, you know, on your site, I thought that it was a very, very well thought out, very well crafted piece of work.

Um, and so I thank you. I put it up there. Um, so I have done, you know, I have occasionally put other people stuff up there, but very rarely. I see it stuff I think of and, you know, I write now on my sub stack and I'll be honest with you. I find it very cathartic. Yeah. I find it very.

healing, writing down your thoughts and views. And I don't do it very often. I mean, sometimes I'll do two and a week, but often it's once a month or a topic that I really want to get out and talk about. Normally, my sub-sex are just describing the podcast and showing links to the podcast. But sometimes I will write something that's

something I'm passionate about. And, you know, you've got some pretty great titles, you're playing God, the sliply slope to abandoning all moral values. If you can't protect innocent children, then society has fallen.

on my friend, aren't we just the age of unreason? Are we genuinely much better than those who've gone before? You know what? I talk about this. I talk about how we might be 2024, but I think, and we talk about, you know, the people before us, we're not civilized, and we're so advanced. I think we're so backward. I think if they saw us now, they would be like, oh my God, is this what happened to humanity?

I mean, one of the things that goes through my mind often is, you know, I've studied the New Testament, studied the Old Testament as well. And I know chunks of it, you know, really, really well forwards backwards and sideways.

I can say with absolute certainty that one of the things that Jesus never said was, okay, you need to set up a church and he's got to have a hierarchy and it's got to have archbishops at the top. And then it's got to have 15 different levels coming down of different people and they've got to be given authority to do different things at different. He never said any of that. Yeah.

And yet that's what we've got, right? And it's become so human. It's it is now nothing better than a commercial organization. That's all that's all it is. Before we touch on that, right? Amen to that. Right. And I would say all religions fall into that category. Yeah. Right. I can tell you right now, Jesus Christ was an absolute dissident. He was an anti-vaxxer. Yep. He was a climate change denier.

Yeah, he would have been all those things, but he was an anarchist. He was a dissident. He was a rebel. He was a critical thinker, freedom lover. These are the labels. He was a conspiracy theorist. That's Jesus Christ, right? Absolutely spot. And he was not.

build me a massive church in the Vatican and ordain it with marbled figureheads of Greeks and Romans and their gods and all their wealth and all the oil paintings and all the gold, guilted, whatever. No thanks. He was, I don't want any of that shit. One of the things I wrote during COVID was if you study Jesus and how he addressed lepers, then

He should, presumably, have said to the lepers, don't come near me, don't touch me. You might give me your disease, instead of which he did the exact opposite. What did the Church of England do? When faced with COVID, they locked all the church buildings, and I don't know whether you know this, I mean, they didn't even allow their own priests inside the buildings for which they were responsible. They had to stay outside. I know. I believe. Yeah. So I've got a chat.

who ran the Tron church. Oh, yes. Tron, the Tron podcast. William, no, William Phillip. I've heard him speak. I've done the podcast. I haven't released it yet. He told me that at one point the Church of England or Church of Scotland said the churches are open now and the majority of the churches remained closed.

because there are two. So even when they were given permission to open up the church, the majority, 70, 80% said that. Actually, we'll keep it closed. Yes. Don't want to take a chance. Yeah. Don't want to risk it. On Easter Day, the freak. On Easter Day, the Archbishop of Canterbury put out a video of him celebrating communion in his kitchen. Now, I know Lambeth Pat is quite well. I've been in and out of it multiple times over the years. He has his own private chapel.

He chose not to use it. No one else is allowed in. He chose not to use it. He wanted to make a cheap point about celebrating.

and in his kitchen. Wasn't it? Wasn't that case of virtue signaling? Is that not seriously? Is that not virtue signaling what he was doing? Yeah, I hate virtue signaling with a vengeance. Do you know why? Do you know why I hate it? I hate it because it's the laziest form of doing good. Yeah. And actually, it's not even doing it. It's the laziest form of apparently doing good. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely right. It's a complete inversion of reality and truth. Yeah.

Oh, look how good I am. Yeah. I took a shot. I wear this badge. That means I'm good. I'm a good person. Yeah. Yeah. And actually part of virtue signaling isn't just saying, look at me. I did this and I stand by Ukraine and the latest war and the latest genocide and whatever. Part of virtue signaling is also showing your outrage and hatred towards a group of people who are not part of the group. Yeah. Because then you're signaling to your group. Yeah.

I'm really in this group. I'm in the middle of you guys. Look how good I am. I'm calling out those bad people. And they don't see the evil in that and how that's not good. And they think they're being good by doing that. And I think a lot of people actually buy into their own bullshit. They actually believe their own bullshit. Sorry, we're going back into shit. So basically,

I mean, I said this before, and I, you know, it's like jet comical mode, but I, you know, roughly along the lines of, you know, I think God would have said to man, just don't be a dick.

I don't think God came down and said, right, folks, here's a ton of scripture. Yeah. Ton of scripture, all referenced, right? You've got to have the candles and you have the robes and you need someone to interpret it. You need philosophers to dissect and, you know, and temples of wisdom and learning to really figure out what I meant, right? Because it's complicated.

that your average person can't figure out this shit. So you need a special group of people who even amongst yourselves, you're going to have to argue what's truth and everyone else. Good luck to you. Here's all the shit. Good luck. Make sure you're good. Otherwise you're going to burn in hell. I don't think God did that. I don't think so. I think the truth is so simple and so obvious.

It's like whenever anyone says to me, whenever I have a conversation with someone and they begin with, well, it's actually very complicated. No, no, no, no, don't, don't. Look, I'm a smart guy, right? I spent all my life explaining very complicated things in a very simple manner. And if I can't do that, I either don't know my shit or I'm deliberately confusing and concealing from you. Yeah.

I don't think it's hard to understand God's message. And whether you're in the church or the synagogue or the mosque or the temple, there are layers of priesthood class, which again, Jesus hated, whose job is to be a gatekeeper between you and God.

Yeah, and I don't like that. And in fact, that was the case. The Reformation was about that as much as anything. It was about removing the priestly role of being between the people and God and saying, look, we're going to give you a Bible in English. So you can read, you can actually understand for yourself what this is all about. Yeah, that was the Reformation.

But the problem is that we hear people, don't we, in the world saying, if only the churches tell people, you know, real teaching, you've got to believe this, you've got to believe that rubbish. If you go back to the very, very first blog I ever wrote, it's titled was,

is doubt a bad thing. I think embracing doubt is one of the most important things to do if you're going to have a balanced outlook on life. Yeah, certainty is an absolute killer. Oh, I love it. So I'll give an example. I'm going to come out of religion for a second. So I did a live stream yesterday with the wonderful Jenna McCarthy to talk about

Trump election. I'm a bit jaded. I'm a bit traumatized by politics and politicians. I even dabbled in it for a bit as a PTC for Brexit party. So I appreciate it. I'm a bit, my views are colored and I'm a bit jaded by the whole process and traumatized by it.

So I'm very skeptical of politicians. I'm very wary of them. I don't trust them. And I want to believe in Trump. And part of me is like, no, he's part of the cabal. He's evil. You know, I was speaking to Jenna. And she's like, no, she tell me why he's a good guy, why we should support him. And I'm like, do you know what? I cannot be too fixated in my position as well. I need to have a position of debt. And I said to her, I'm going to keep my door open that, you know what? Maybe you're right. Maybe Trump's a good guy. Maybe he's had a bad run on the first time around.

I don't know everything. I don't know anything actually. Leave the door open. Maybe he's a good guy. Maybe maybe he is trying his best. But if I'm going to just go, no, no, all politicians, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The moment you start being 100% certain about anything is when you enter your cult of one. Yeah.

And you need to avoid that. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You just need to keep an open mind. Yeah, I might be wrong. Yeah. And actually, in the case of what Jenna was saying, I really hope I'm wrong. I really hope Trump's a good guy. Yes. I really want. I mean, and the thing is, you know, I, you know, I said to Trump, well, not to Trump. I put it up on Twitter. I said, look, folks, I said, look, Trump, you need to get the shit done.

You know, otherwise you are one of them. And I said, look, whether you're presidency, the House and the Senate, you've got unprecedented, almost unprecedented opportunity to save the world, immediately dismantle the deep state, get a task force slash and burn the CIA, NSA, FBI, DOD, FDA, CDC, and all the other necessary deep state apparatuses. And you know, it can be done slowly and gradually. You can replace them and then downscaled them on all that kind of stuff. Yeah. It doesn't have to be a complete over nine job.

But, you know, abolish the federal reserve straight away. Yeah. Why is the American people and the British people and all the other people in the world with private central banks? Why is the government borrowing money from another person and paying back interest on it? Think about it. You would never borrow money from yourself. Would you? So we need to get rid of the federal reserve. I looked into usury again. Every religion Christianity Islam talks about usury and how it's about. We need to get rid of this whole interest based debt fiat system. Yeah.

and thereby get rid of or put Wall Street, Black Guard, Vanguard, State Street into existential crisis, because that's how they exploit us. Exit, I obliterate the UN and the WHO, destroy the Bank of International Settlements, get rid of all the other central banks around the world, cancel all mandates, medical mandates,

Do a moratorium on mRNA tech, get rid of the prep act indemnity for vaccines. You know, I mean, this ends the stupid wars, endless wars. And do you know what, Americans and British people and Europeans, healthy again, stop pumping them with drugs, ultra processed food, rapeseed oil, sewage, sludge, contamination of water, chemtrails in the sky, blah, blah, blah. I mean, people say again, oh, it's very complicated, it's very complicated.

Like, James, keep saying this, I've said it a lot of time. You put me into 10 energy from one morning, 99% of the shit I will get done. Do you mind me telling you a little anecdote? I spent a lot of forward two years. I was first made managing director, a group called CB, SIEB, and I served them in a couple of positions as managing director of

small company and then a big one, two factories and hundreds of people. And the chief executive, who was a guy called Sabari Stevens, had a very, very simple way of approaching how he wanted these companies. Well, he would look you in the eye every time you had a meeting with him and he'd get you to promise that you were spending the money as if it was yours, every pound of it, as if it was yours.

And when the crunch came, he realized that you can't just throw money at a problem and expect it to go away. So when I was promoted to the big company, my brief was this. OK, this company is hemorrhaging half a million pounds of cash a month. You've got six days to come to me with a plan.

So six days later, I had a plan. Oh, wow. Seven days later, I was addressing hundreds of people in the local sports hall telling them that a third of them were going to be laid off and I was shutting one factory. Oh, that was tough. It was tough for me and it was tough for them. Three years later, we had the highest performing company in the division. Sometimes you've got to be tough.

And the machinery of state is totally and absolutely out of control and it's getting worse. So if I could say anything to Donald Trump, who I've not been a great fan of, but if I could say anything to him this morning, it would be, don't let us down. Yeah, a lot hangs on you. And it's not just what happens in the States. Exactly. Amen to that. Listen, let's go back to the church business.

What's wrong with the church and why? Because you touched upon it, you said that. What is wrong? Well, I think it starts with the fact that they've got basically a commercial hierarchy. So you've got all of these different layers, all trying to do stuff, all being given different responsibilities. And I, you know, the input to me, the important thing is Christian values.

Now, a few, is the Church of England a corporation? Effectively, yes. I mean, how else do you describe an organization that's got, I think, I think this is the right figure, 14 billion pounds in assets. I like it. Yes. Look up the church commissioners and look up the value as at the last balance sheet data, the church commissioners, they've got something like 14 billion pounds. And yet at local level, you have individual churches where the roofs are falling down because they can't

or aren't prepared to put any money into it. Why is that? Oh, gosh. How long have you got? The quick answer is, OK, that's way of explaining this is an anecdote. When I first appointed to run a charity, which is now called the National Church's Trust, which at that stage was called the Historic Church's Preservation Trust, and their aim in life was to help

communities with church repairs, roofs, windows, a whole lot. I realized that I didn't know anything about the Church of England. So I consulted an expert, someone who'd been very kind to me when he'd heard that I'd been appointed to this role and said, if I can do anything. So I rang him up and I said, Thomas, I'd like to have a lunch with you. I'll pay. I want you to explain to me the structure of the Church of England and how it functions. And I shall never forget it. You sat opposite me.

And he took a deep breath and he said, okay, James, the first thing that you need to realize is that the Church of England does not exist. And I laughed. What? What he meant is that you've got all of these different parts of the Church of England, but they don't all come

to a peak in a hierarchical pyramid. So you've got the House of Bishops, you've got the two archbishops, you've got the General Synod, you've got the Archbishop's Council, you've got the Church Commissioners. They are all doing

basically in their own little way, they're all doing exactly what the EU does. Because I don't know about you, you've stood for the Brexit party, you probably agree with this. I think the EU has only got one objective, and that is for it to survive. Yeah, I understand. And the Church of England is the same. So all of these little bodies, and they aren't little, actually, they're huge, some of them.

but they are all there to try and protect their own little part of the fiefdom. So that's, again, the way in which it's copied all of the worst aspects of society.

and it's abandoned any attempt to try and explain what their values, what Christian values are. Have you ever heard someone actually try and spell out Christian values? You get very prominent social media people come on and talk about Western Judeo-Christian values. And I'm like, what is all that? What is that? Because

I don't like that kind of clash of civilization because you make it feel like, you know, in other parts of the world, they're not civilized and they don't have, you know, they don't have the same aspirations. It's like, where, you know, there was a dark ages in Europe for a reason, you know, science flourished in the Middle East and was re-injected. The lost Greek knowledge actually came out of the Islamic world. And like talking about it, I'm not an apologist for Islam. There's a lot I don't like about it. There's a reason why I left that religion, you know, 15 years ago.

But there's a lot of problems with a lot of religions. But there's a lot of really good values elsewhere, Chinese values, Confucian values, Taoist values, Islamic values. So what does Christian values even mean? Well, if you start to list out what Christ said and what he did, because people forget what he did, they tend to read what he said and think that's all there is to it. And it's not.

But if you try and read that and then put it in the context of the Old Testament, you come out with a list of things, and I won't be able to remember all of them off the top of my head, but it's justice, it's mercy, it's forgiveness, it's tolerance, it's love for fellow human beings. It's caring for those who are less well off. Guess what? Everything you've just listed is taught in Islam.

I kid you not. And a lot of people don't realize Islam is based on Judaism and Christianity. Yeah. Yeah. Everything you've just mentioned. I remember going to the mosque as a little kid and being taught the virtues and importance of every single thing you've just mentioned. Yeah. And the problem is that the human corporate machine has taken over these values have been pushed to one side. If you were

to list out those values, which I think might go some way to explaining, you know, Judeo-Islamic Christian values. 99 out of 100 people on our streets would say, where do I sign up for that? It spells out in detail how the world should be run.

which is why Christ talks so much about the Kingdom of God. What does he mean by the Kingdom of God? People don't understand, but it's how would God run the world if he was in charge? Just fair, loving, growing, nurturing, natural. Yeah.

Yeah, looking after the, you know, the week, one of opportunity, one of joy, one of light. That's what I would imagine it to be. Not one of conflict, not one of win lose mentality. How do I benefit at your expense? How do I get ahead of you? And I'm not one of

Um, I'm going to turn a blind eye to this. I know it's immoral. Yes. But I'm going to make well, it's your, it's your example, isn't it? Um, you've got, you've got to, um, uh, the, um, uh, the Hippocratic oath is, um, do no harm, do no harm. You said, and it rang a bell with me, do no harm to my kid's schooling, do no harm to my overseas holidays, to my mortgage, to my, and that is, I'm afraid,

Where we are most doctors. Yeah, that's why I think you know doctors have got a monopoly of being flawed They're just like the baby boomers. They're just like the clergy They're just like the priest class. They're just like the rabbis and the and the imams. Yeah, they all looked the other way. They all just Yeah, they didn't didn't do the right thing. Yeah, you know, I think if Jesus came back he would have been like

Oh, for God's sake. Seriously? 2000 years later, you're still doing the same shit? There's an article on my blog sites, which is the title of which is something like, um, Jesus would be appalled at the church of England. I think he might even say, frack this.

I think he'd also have a sense of humor. Yeah. Not being serious. I bet. Look, the guy that bashed things up in the temple and the money changes, he had a bit of fire and blood and passion. I mean, he wasn't like, you know, absolutely. He would have gone like, what the fuck? Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm absolutely, absolutely. Anyway, so that's a very interesting discussion of wide ranging. But, yeah, it's not. What do you think of the Catholic church?

Well, the Catholic Church, if you take.

the Church of England, it stretches from extremely low, lower than the Baptist, to extremely high, more Catholic than the Roman Catholics. What do you mean by this? Are you talking about the degree, the spectrum of religious, Orthodoxy and practice? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also you've got very liberal to, you know, where it's all transgender, LGBTQ plus white waving flags and all that kind of look at me. I'm wearing a robe with all the rainbow colors.

All of that. There is one reason, multiple reasons, but the biggest reason why I could never be a Roman Catholic is because the Pope in Roman Catholicism is infallible.

Do you actually believe that there's any such thing as an infallible human being? So guess what? Our leader of the Amadeus community is meant to be the exact same. He's meant to be a representative of God. And nothing he says or does can be questioned. And his word is the word of God. And it's like, really? OK. Like, really? Look at me and I. Really? I'm really sorry, but all that stuff goes out. Yeah. There is only one.

In my opinion, there is only one way in which ministry, whether it's Islamic, Christian or anything else, should work. And that is of sinful people ministering to other sinful people.

Wow. Say that again. Sinful people. No, they're back. Go back a bit. Okay. No one should put themselves forward to be a minister and therefore to be standing up as the leader of a church community, whether it's a single church building or an entire denomination, unless they buy into the concept that they are a sinful person

ministering to other sinfully. And it doesn't work. It doesn't work in any of the denominations. It probably doesn't work. It works less effectively in Roman Catholicism than it does in the Church of England. That doesn't make the Church of England great and Catholics bad, but

You know, what do we understand? But even the Catholic Church, I don't get the Catholic Church where like the priests have to be celibate. Like, what the heck? And the nuns, like, and you marry Jesus instead. And they have a certain like, what? And you think God had a soul? Yeah. And then God, God would want something that's so unnatural. And it's funny, like all the religions, including Sam, you know, they talk a lot about sex, but like it's a bad thing. It's a bad thing. Like, no, it's a beautiful thing. Yeah. It's the origin of life. Yeah.

It's beautiful, but there's a difference between sex, between a man and a woman in a relationship, in a marriage, loving, nurturing, and one night stands. One's a ribeye steak, medium-rare, right?

And one's a fake meat vegan burger. Why are we constantly saying sex is sex and love and don't talk about it? It's a bad thing like in slam. It was like, oh, you're just not a legislator and you're not led to mix with the other opposite sex. And it was all dirty, dirty. You make something that's very beautiful, dirty. That's wrong. That's wrong. And a lot of religions do that. I think they all do. I don't think there's an exception.

This is what I mean. And it's sort of celebrating what is a beautiful thing and promoting what should be the right way of doing it. We just make it a taboo subject and we talk about and make it shameful, guilty pleasure. And then that's where the deviancy comes into it because then, you know, people go that direction. It's like, like, no, just talk about it and just say that, you know, teacher children, teacher, young ones,

The importance of it and how you should do it until i talk about i don't talk about sex my kids but i talk about you know having partners and boyfriends girlfriend. I say you know what respect yourself and make sure you give yourself in a relationship to someone who values you and make sure you grow as a person. I'm trying to teach this now so that they don't get abused and get into bad relationships and everything.

They've sadly got to graph in a world that's much more difficult than the one I grew up. Yeah, but religion doesn't do that. Religion just, you know, it was literally super bizarre. You go to the mosque, right? And girls go upstairs to the upstairs hall. Guys go downstairs hall. You know, when you walk in, they cover up. And if you want to go to the girls room, you have to like open the door and say, excuse me. And you can't look each other out. And then, and then once the, the, the,

And the meeting's over, you go back outside on the street and everyone's just chatting to each other. And suddenly there's no partition and you go and meeting people from the opposite. It was just ludicrous. It was ludicrous. I was like, what's the logic of this? This is just madness. I'm not just talking to any women. And this is what I mean. I was in this weird, religious cult, which is a very extreme form of Islam, in some respects. There are extreme forms of Christianity. Absolutely. It just doesn't make sense to me. There's so much

Dogma and doctrine that was just, I don't think God told us to do this. Right. And I don't know about you, but I'm going to use the word church elders, but like we have the equivalent mosque elders, you know, who would get up on the pulpit and talk about how great they were. Yeah.

And I'm thinking, I'm sure that's not part of the deal. You're meant to be telling people, like, what's a good thing to do? But not by saying, look how great I am. I did this. Everybody who was in the church, a mosque elder, there were very political animals, and they liked the power and being able to tell other people

what to do and what to think and to guilt and shame them and use the power of the authority above them as the justification that I have been anointed and been given this bestow this power and because I've been given this power from the higher authority, you've to listen to me. Yeah. And then

It was just crazy. It was just this hierarchy, power trip that they were all on. And it's, it's pointing. I don't know if it's like that in the church. Exactly. It's exactly like that. Oh, shock horror. Muslims, Christians are the same. Do you see what I mean? It doesn't matter if you're white or brown and you're human at the end of the day. Exactly.

And that's the problem. Right, that's why you can never have a minister on a pedestal. Right, because we're human beings and every single one of us is fallible, weak, you know, so full of problems. So let's add to that. Let's add to that.

not just dot um um clergy and ministers doctors shouldn't be on a pedestal yeah and not just that yeah politicians should be on a pedestal frankly no one should be on a pedestal i remember speaking you know how i ring people up like i rang you up okay like how did it come out it came about because you had sent me an email and we checked and i rang you yeah i like ringing my supporters right yeah so i rang why someone wants i can't remember her name i show oh my god i can't believe this is doc i know you from that point you're a doc man like

Oh my god, you don't know, you're on a pedestal, Ahmed. And I said, stop right now. You couldn't have said anything more insulting. I want you to literally right now, in your brain, push me off that pedestal. She's like, no, no, I pushed me off otherwise I'm hanging out.

It's, it's dead, by the way. It's why the celebrity culture is so awful. Right. A worship of celebrities is one of the worst aspects. I mean, we've covered a few of them, but, but, but, but, but, but worship of celebrity is terrible, is really, really terrible.

So many idol worshiping. You know, one of the things we were taught as kids was like, don't worship idols. And I used to feel like like, you know, in Glasgow in the 1980s, looking around going, what idols? Like in my head, I had this idea that people were praying to those dolls or something like that. Bloody idols. Why did they keep banging on about it?

But actually, like I said, there's a lot of good that came out of my cult, Islamic indoctrination in the Ahmadiyya community. Some of it was actually, yeah, be vigilant of idols. And now they are everywhere, the smartphone, the celebrities. The fast food. The fast food. Yeah. Or even the ideologies. Climate change is an ideal.

Yeah, and it's got its own high priestess in Greece in front of them. Government. And ideology. People worship government, like it's a religion. The schools are the ministries, the teachers are the priest class, and you cannot question government. Oh, and the two moments at which I knew how badly off the rails we'd gone during COVID.

The first was when the press and the television radio, everything was full of people saying to Boris Johnson, you've got to tell us exactly what to do. Yeah. Oh, no. Oh, no, that way lies complete madness. The second thing

which I think was what got me started down this whole skeptical route was suddenly one day, realizing that they were suggesting that everyone had to wear a mask. And the reason that struck me between the eyeballs was because I'd worked for one of the biggest companies in respiratory protection in Europe. And I said to people at the time, if you'd said to us,

as a company back in the 1980s. Is that like 3M or something? It was a company called CB Gorman, out of which CB Sprang, which is now known as Invensis. So CB Gorman was an old company in respiratory protection. And effectively, if you'd said to us, OK, we want you to design a cloth mask that will stop an organism

that's between 60 and 100 nanometers in size. We'd have fallen over laughing, and yet suddenly that was what they were saying. Without anyone thinking there was an exchange about it. Did you not think to yourself what's happening to people? I thought, why is no one actually mentioning the size

So what do you think about this like people like Vitti valance the chief science officer the chief medical officer these people who have got night hoods are meant to be so clever.

Why do you think they didn't know or did they? I think they definitely must have known. It's impossible to think they hadn't known, because apart from anything else, they changed their view amount outmaster, didn't they? They were originally saying, oh, no, no, no, no, that won't do any good. And then suddenly it was part of the soil. If you wear a mask, you become less of a person. You're easier to control. And you're also showing compliance. Exactly.

When you look around you at the state of the world, the state of this country, this wonderful country, Great Britain, a wonderful country like the United States, all these other great countries, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, France, everywhere, all the European countries, and what's happened to it? How do you feel? Oh, sad.

is the only word I can come up with. I mean, I spent a lot of my time in France and I spent a year in French West Africa when I was 18. So I speak fluent French and I've got lots of friends in

in France within my spending time. You know, when you think that one of the objectives appears to be, let's do away with all the differences between France and UK. Let's all become the same, you know, govern the same, the same rules, the same everything. Same high streets. I don't want that. That's the opposite of what I want. I love France because of the way it's different.

I adore the fact that they don't eat in the evening, they spend two and a half or three hours over a meal at lunchtime. I adore that sort of thing. I don't want us all to be doing the same or eating the same stuff or speaking the same language even. I don't want any of that. Exactly.

Exactly. I've talked about this. I'm not going to go over it. But yeah, I talk about this, the lack of real diversity. And they just want how much in this blub. Yeah. Hey, listen, we've been chatting for over two hours, my friend. Oh, wow. Does it feel like that? Hasn't that flown by? It doesn't feel like that. And does that give you a problem in terms of the length? No, no, no. It's just cut out most of the... I don't edit. No, no, no. Oh, dear. Oh, dear. So it's all going to go out. It's all going to go out. Including the bits where I spoke.

No, you never misspoke. You never misspoke. But I just got to show her time flies. And I honestly have really enjoyed this conversation, my friend. Well, so have I. I knew I would do because I've listened to you enough to know that I was going to enjoy it. But it's been great. How does it feel being a participant and not just a listener and audience? How different is it? Oh, it's very different. Of course it's different.

I suppose, apart from anything else, most of your podcasts, I actually listen to while I'm doing something else. Cleaning, I have a day. Despite being a male boomer born in 1951, I have a day cleaning. It's the way my wife who's gone a lot younger than

and we should. Good for you. So I download your podcasts and I listen to them while I'm cleaning. Right. Because I don't need to put any thought into cleaning. Yeah, one of my supporters said, you know what, Ahmed, you've made me come up with new ways of working and doing stuff. Yes, it reminds me of that. Yeah. So this is different because, you know, we're not doing anything else. So it's different from that point of view.

I've said this to you before, you are a very, very, very skilled interviewer. I don't know anyone else on the internet doing podcasts like you. I mean, I don't know all of them. Of course, I'd be at it all day. But I've said to you before, and I quite like your other listeners to hear this, I actually think and believe that you were a very, very skilled surgeon. I've heard enough about you to know that, that I think

your skills in the role you've currently made for yourself are even rarer. Well, thank you. And you have every right to be proud of what you've done. And I just hope that life gets easier for you. Thank you. It's funny, my wife comes home now and she's doing a job working in

an orthopedic department. She's still a trainee and she's working in foot and ankle and fixing foot and ankle fractures. Oh, right. So doing exactly what you used to do. Yeah. Yeah. And so she, she comes home and shows me some x-rays and goes, this is what I did today. And it's funny, she did this in the past and I would, I would actually be really sad, you know, so a picture like this, you know, that kind of,

X-ray of metal and everything. And that's exactly the stuff that I loved doing and I would do. And it's funny, a few months back, that would have really struck a chord in my heart and I would have had a pang of sadness and longing. She showed me this only, you know, a couple of nights ago. I didn't have that feeling. I looked at it and I went, you know what? I couldn't have done that better myself. Great job. Well done.

lovely thing to say. And I meant it. I meant it. And I didn't feel that longing anymore because I'm really happy with what I'm doing. I love these conversations. I love

getting your voices out into the world. And I feel like I'm, I'm creating a library of content and hopefully years from now, people are going to look back and listen. And I also think about the legacy for my children. Yeah. Say I died tomorrow on a freak airplane crash, which wasn't actually a freak because they wanted to get rid of me. And I accept that that might happen at some point.

I'm not going to have a freak accident. I'll be taken out and I'm not suicidal. But you know, it's fine because now there are literally hundreds of hours of me talking. My children will be able to go back and listen to me and see me.

And, you know, I will live on in that way. And, you know, and future people will look back at this time and the record that I've created. Wow. Look, all these amazing people like James Blah and all the other names and look what they had to say. They were smart people around. Do you know what I think they'll say? What will they say? Oh my God. How did times in 2020 to 2025 become so bad? How on earth could that have happened? Right.

That's what I think. Yeah. So we will win. We will win. Now, but listen, before I wrap up, look, one of the things, um, because I've got a lot of other stuff I need to do now, it's getting late and my bladder is about to pop. You've got a great bladder. I'm anyway, well, I wanted to say what you've got a very cheerful disposition. You're smiling, you're happy. Now you might be faking it, fake it till you make it, or it might actually be genuine.

You've read my speech. You know what I'm talking about. How do you live in joy and hope despite the madness of the times that we live in? Reflection and belief. I don't think I'd be the person I am now if I didn't actually believe in God. I think living thinking that everything that's going on around us now

And, you know, I'm in the last part of my life. If I died, you know, a couple of days from now, it's nihilistic in a way that I just can't get my head around. So I do actually believe that we'll work, we'll

Mankind will work its way out of this. I don't know when and it might not be during my lifetime. I suspect it will definitely be during your children's lifetimes because they're started their lives. And I don't believe that mankind can be crazy forever. Things have a tendency to go in a pendulum. I think it will swing back. And what we have to pray

to use that word is that it doesn't swing back as a result of huge violence because people get fed up with the way they're being treated. Yeah. We have to hope that it's more gentle than that. And it might be. And I do hope and I pray that it will be God, God willing, maybe, maybe humanity can't transcend until that wild pendulum

stops, just stops and there's balance. And we don't go from one extreme to a crazy another extreme, because it seems that's what happens. It goes from restriction to complete open, light to dark. We just need to have balance. Yes, absolutely right.

Right. Last question, my friend, of the day. Many, many years from now, you're on your deathbed surrounded by your loved ones. Before you pass on and meet your maker, what words of wisdom will you impart on them that you haven't already said? Or what will you reinforce? I've been a follower of Doc Malek for long enough to have heard all sorts of people answering this question, and therefore knowing that it was coming in my direction, I've given it quite a lot of thought.