#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon
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January 24, 2025
TLDR: Discussion with Dr. Mark Gordon, an expert in neuroregenerative medicine and Traumatic Brain Injuries treatment.

In episode #2262 of the Joe Rogan Experience, Dr. Mark Gordon, a prominent expert in neuroregenerative medicine, returns after four years to discuss developments in the treatment of Traumatic Brain Injuries (TBI) and other neurological conditions. He shares insights on hormonal treatments, the role of inflammation in mental health, and the potential of natural products in brain recovery.
Key Highlights
Family and Personal Updates
- Dr. Gordon shares that he has expanded his family, with all three of his daughters now married and each has a child, motivating him to ramp up his hormonal treatments to ensure he can actively participate in their lives.
Advances in Treatment and Research
- Neuroregenerative Medicine Growth: In the rapidly evolving field of neuroregenerative medicine, Dr. Gordon notes a marked increase in successful treatment outcomes for TBI and PTSD.
- Incorporation of Neutraceuticals: Over the past four years, he has integrated more natural products into his treatments, focusing on compounds that can penetrate the brain and reduce inflammation.
- Inflammation's Role: He explains how inflammation in the brain can disrupt normal physiological processes, leading to issues such as anger and depression, and he emphasizes its connection to cortisol levels and serotonin depletion due to external stressors, such as media pressure.
Misconceptions About Mental Health
- Dr. Gordon addresses misconceptions surrounding PTSD and TBI, particularly regarding the pituitary gland's role. He argues that structural imaging may not capture inflammatory damage, leading to oversight in appropriate diagnoses.
- He highlights how inflammation prevents the brain from regulating hormones effectively.
Recent Scientific Findings
- Neuroscientific Insights: The discussion touches on recent findings relating to Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE), Alzheimer's, and their biochemical underpinnings. Dr. Gordon notes a commonality in factors like beta-amyloid and tau proteins that contribute to various forms of neurodegeneration.
- Potential Treatments: He discusses promising treatments that have yielded positive results in patients with multiple sclerosis and emphasizes the importance of reducing inflammation and enhancing mitochondrial function with supplements such as CoQ10 and curcumin.
The Role of Nutrition in Mental Health
- The conversation also veers into the importance of a nutritious diet to support brain health. Dr. Gordon stresses the need for quality vitamins and supplements as dietary deficiencies are increasingly linked to mental health issues.
- He backs up his assertions by sharing personal anecdotes and experiences from his practice concerning the efficacy of vitamin supplementation and preventative health measures.
Societal Influence on Mental Health
- Dr. Gordon discusses the societal pressures exacerbated by media and how constant stress can deteriorate mental health. He proposes that collective societal stress is a major contributing factor to increased mental health issues.
The Future of TBI Treatments
- Emerging Therapies: The episode explores the frontier of neuroregenerative therapies, including the use of peptides and hormones to correct deficiencies in returning patients to optimal health.
- Dr. Gordon highlights the significance of personalized medicine and how it can offer better outcomes for individuals suffering from chronic neurological conditions.
Conclusion
Dr. Mark Gordon’s insights provide a deep dive into the evolving landscape of mental health and neuroregenerative medicine. From the interplay of hormones and inflammation to the necessity of natural products in recovery, he underscores the importance of a holistic approach to brain health. His ongoing work presents a promising future for many patients dealing with the debilitating effects of trauma and neurological disorders.
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So he's great to be here. It's been a while. Four years, January 8th. No, January 15th. Was it really? Yeah, that long ago. Yeah, it's been four years. The last time you were here, right?
Correct. Yeah, I think the last two that was so that was like right after a couple months after I moved here. Yeah. Yeah, so almost exactly four years. Yeah, crazy. Well, waiting was great. Waiting. I mean, the time four years waiting to have another chat with you has so much has gone on since last we met.
Well, tell me. What's going on? Where do you want to start? A, Z? Anywhere. Anywhere. Let's see. You know, the family's expanding, which is great. All three daughters have been married and each has a grandchild.
which is making me feel old. So I've ramped up, stepped up my hormonal treatment to keep me on the edge because I want to be around a lot longer to take care of these kids or to be with the kids. They're just 16 months, but they're still fantastic. That's awesome. I love it. That's great. Absolutely love it.
But in the world that I work in, in the medical arena, it's been expanding rapidly. The new administration has a part to play in it, which is great, but even before that, the number of results that we're having, the outcome from TBI, PTSD and what have you, has been accelerating because of some of our testing that we do as well as our treatment.
that we've initiated, that's changed since four years ago, since last time. What have you added in the last four years? Well, we've added a lot more neutropic, excuse me, not neutraceuticals, natural products into our regiment. I spent 16 years looking at the science behind things that can get into the brain and alter the inflammation that occurs in the brain. The whole premise of everything that I've been doing for the last 30 years has been based upon inflammation in the brain.
And the information is what stops all the chemistry and why we develop anger and problems. I don't know if you saw the article, which is called Influence of Media on the Mental Health of America, which used to be called the Trump Derangement Syndrome, but I got so much backlash from having that title. People wouldn't read it because of the title. And it talks about how constant stress from the media
echo chambers, social media reading all this bullshit causes cortisol to go up no doubt and it shuts down a chemical that protects your brain called frack talkin and then it starts dumping all this inflammation and causes loss of serotonin so you become more depressed causes loss of melatonin so you can't sleep
generates another group of chemicals that induce depression. Yeah, it essentially generates this response in your body that prepares itself for a fight that never takes place. Correct. And then you're always thinking you're about to get into some sort of a physical altercation with the armed enemy coming over the top of the hill.
uh... vigilant states that our army goes through exactly exactly and and the thing the army and with a lot of these people that you've worked with is uh... from ideas and from blown through doors and stuff like that they get the damage to their pituitary gland you know we've talked about it many many times the podcast but i think one of the uh... misperceptions as you said and i apologize for that is that we think it's all due to the pituitary gland but it isn't
In the work that we've been doing, it shows that when you have inflammation in the brain, regardless of how it's developed, whether or not it's IED or Slip and Fall, or as we talked in the past, even wave runners, ski do's, or skiing, or border skiing, snow skiing, or going to the range of 50 caliber gunners.
What happens is it creates this inflammation that shuts off the ability of the brain to regulate the pituitary gland. So you can do all the MRIs as they do at the VA. And they see a normal pituitary gland and says, oh, pituitary is normal. You've got PTSD. But there's no radiological or neuro radiological procedure that will allow you to look at inflammation in the brain.
So they assume they can't find any structural damage that it has to be all psychiatric. Sort of like when they used to have to diagnose CTE after you're already dead. Correct, right? Isn't that how they're doing it now? No, I think they can scan for it now. There's a PET scan that can look for the tau protein. Is that what it is? Yeah, tau protein's hyperphospholated tau becomes these NFTs, these neurofibotangles.
which is an interesting issue. It's been part of my last year of deep dive trying to find out, why is it that you develop CTE or the symptoms relative to CTE? Why is it that you develop the symptoms relative to Parkinson's or Alzheimer's or multiple sclerosis? Well, it turns out that the biochemistry is all the same.
something called beta amyloid, which is the hallmark for someone with Alzheimer's disease. And then these tau proteins, hyperfossulated tau proteins that they call NFTs, that they circulate around the blood vessels and they create this intense inflammation. And that intense inflammation causes loss of blood supply damage to neurons and you develop it. So we've had, using our protocol,
We have our six case of multiple sclerosis that was totally put into remission. It took 90 days to put them in remission. It was a lieutenant. Yeah, it's a video up on what's the protocol that did the protocol is the nutraceutical that drops the inflammation and replacing the hormones that are deficient that protect the brain. What is in the nutraceutical?
In the neutraceuticals, there is corsetin. You know about corsetin. It's got E-P-E-D-A-D-H-A from omegas. It has in it glutathione, aniseal cysteine. It's got B12.
That's on one component of it. The other component has B1, B2, which deals with neural communication. And then it's a PQQ and CoQ10. PQQ is a form of CoQ10. It's a sister. And it's 100 to 1,000 times stronger. But it's what it does.
It increases mitochondrial function. I know you've had a lot of people here talking about mitochondrial function, and that's a major piece in how to reverse things like neurodegenerative diseases and improve mental functioning. I mean, products like you have, like alpha brain, you know, has an effect on improving mitochondrial function.
And that's what you want to do. That's a key. So you have to drop the inflammation because inflammation causes mitochondria that produce ATP. It causes mitochondrial dysfunction. So in all those neurodegenerative diseases, mitochondrial dysfunction has been ignored in the past.
and you need to address it. So, PKQ and CoQ10 are two very, very potent. When added together, they stimulate mitochondrial ATP production and replication of mitochondria. Corsatin does the same thing. That's why it's so important. Corsatin, you were explaining to me before that it's an ionophore and that it gets ions into the bloodstream better, so it's when you consume it with zinc.
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Of course it is. Of course it is. And how much zinc with that? 30 milligrams. Okay. I take 30. You do that twice a day? I do that the course tin twice a day but zinc because my levels are where they're at. I don't put a lot of zinc in because zinc's involved in about 300 processes in the body. It's antiviral that we just talked about. It's anti-alsheimers because it turns out
that the production of the chemical called beta amyloid, there's an enzyme that regulates it, and it's zinc-dependent. So if it's working, it's called a secretase, it's called alpha secretase, it's zinc-dependent, beta secretase is not. So beta secretase takes and makes the beta amyloid that causes the Alzheimer's, the inflammation, and with that inflammation, you then start getting the same thing in CTE.
So, in all these inflammatory conditions, they have the same beta amyloid and cause for CTE, the hyperphospholated tau protein that we call NFTs, neurofibril tangles.
So, they're all related. So, what Cursatin does is it increases mitochondria replication in about seven days, doubles the amount of mitochondria intracellularly. It helps increase in liver, something called IGF-binding protein 3, insulin-like binding protein 3. Binding protein 3 is always looked at as being the carrier for IGF-1, insulin-like growth factor, growth hormone.
turns on and delivered the production of insulin-like growth factor, which is the main below the neck growth factor for our body, improves protein synthesis, decreases inflammation too. Wow. Okay. A side track, when you're talking about beta amyloid and Alzheimer's, wasn't there a significant amount of fraud that was exposed about Alzheimer's studies that put into question a lot of the
ideas that people had about Alzheimer's? Wasn't that something to happen recently? Well, in the train of thought on Alzheimer's, you know, they're saying that it's due to the recessive genes. Well, if you look at the real studies recently, 95% of the cases of Alzheimer's disease appear to be due to trauma and aging.
trauma and aging, only five percent. Trauma, like head trauma. Head trauma. Because what happens is trauma stimulates the brain because of inflammation to increase the production of beta amyloid. And it's because they found recently another secretase. What secretases are are the enzymes that convert a protein called APP, Alzheimer's precursor protein.
and it's a long protein, and two enzymes go in and clip it here and clip it here. And that piece is beta amyloid. That's the bad stuff. That's a beta secretase and a gamma secretase. But they also have something called alpha secretase. So if alpha secretase and gamma secretase cut this APP, it generates alpha amyloid, which is inert.
not inflammatory. And so what did they find recently? Something called delta secretase. Delta secretase and gamma gives you beta amyloid. So how do you generate delta secretase in the body? Trauma aging.
So that's why most of the cases of Alzheimer's disease are inflammatory-based. So what are the things that? I'm sorry, but most cases, is there a certain age where people start to develop it? And has there been any cases of very young people that get Alzheimer's? Yes, there's a young form of Alzheimer's, and that might be directly due to having had head trauma and developing this delta amyloid or a delta secretase,
generating amyloid beta amyloid that creates the Alzheimer's disease. As you get older, 65 years of age and above, that could be 5% genetic. But I think what the literature is really speaking towards is that it's all has an inflammatory basis. Remember, trauma
in the brain equates out to inflammatory processes. It's part of the brain's ability to try and protect us. Remove junk, bacteria, mold, viruses from the brain, and also metabolites of abnormal metabolism in the brain.
What was the scandal, the Alzheimer's research scandal? Because it was pretty significant and they were saying that it throws into question all of these previous assumptions and therapies that they were providing for Alzheimer's disease and this person had made a significant amount of money.
It's the antibodies. It's the treatment protocols, the antibodies against beta amyloid. And they found that even though you're against beta amyloid, you were still progressing on to develop symptoms of Alzheimer's disease. But they were talking about fraud.
that this is like fraud in just trying to research. Yeah, this is recently how a retracted paper affected the course of Alzheimer's research. But it's one paper and what was the focus of? Okay. June 2024 landmark Alzheimer's research page was retracted due to fraud allegations. Do we waste billions?
of dollars and thousands of hours of scientist time, maybe not, or new potentially hopeful drugs on the market targeting the subject of the paper, amyloid beta. Their video breaks down the amyloid beta hypothesis, the fraud itself, and where we go from here. So what is the fraud itself, Jamie? Does it say?
So you can find an article that's just not a video, not attached to a video. They beta amyloid data. See, they've been relying on beta amyloid as being the focus. And what they're finding is the treatment that addresses beta amyloid antibody against beta amyloid, people are still getting progression of the disease. I understand this, but I just want to know what the fraud was. Oh, okay.
So what is the fraud? Amyloid hypothesis? Scroll down a little bit, Jamie. What's the fraud? Where does it get to the what? What did the paper bullshit about putting it into perspective? Okay. 56 paper lead to. But later. Where's the fine? Where's the fraud? What's it say? Let me try a different
Yeah, just find out what was the, this seems like very involved. This is a science journal. Well, you know that in, there are papers that have been written about reproducibility. Reproducibility is where a researcher does a paper, makes a claim about the results of his science, and then people look at that and they want to go and reproduce it.
to prove it. They found that 70% of them can't be reproduced. And when you looked at the actual scientists who did the original work, goes back and tries to reproduce it, 70% failure rate. So there are major publications that have talked about this reproducibility error. I mean, you can go on to Google Scholar or else into Google and look at reproducibility.
Okay, here it is. But over the past two years, questions have arisen about some of Masala, how do you say his name? Masala? Masala? You were great. Masala? Masala? Masala? Masala? Masala? Masala is research. Science investigation has now found that scores of his lab studies at UCSD and NIA are riddled with apparently falsified Western blots. Images used to show the presence of proteins and micrographs of brain tissue.
numerous images seem to have been inappropriate really reused within the within and across papers, sometimes published years apart in different journals describing divergent experimental conditions after science brought initial concerns about musselia's work
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Okay, so it seems like the fact that he was reusing the same image, yeah, stating that they were new images. So he was stacking the deck in his favor. Right. Because he had a point to make that. That's so gross. Yeah. Two point six billion dollars. That's what the budget was. That's a national institute of health. Yeah. Geez, dwarfs the rest of the National Institute, the NIA combined.
in charge of the division of neuroscience. That is so crazy. So the budget of the division of neuroscience alone was $2.6 billion in the last fiscal year. And this guy was a key leader for the effort.
man how gross, but that's pressure and competition and very ambitious people who have shitty morals. Yeah. Well, right. That's what that is. Yes. Publisher perish. Publisher perishes the motto, right? That's the motto. If they don't publish and have a positive finding, they're not going to get funding for the next project that they have. And when someone does publish, like this gentleman who allegedly published falsified data, is there someone who goes over that stuff to make sure that that's not the case?
Yeah, the editors of the journal that he's presenting it to. Right, but is there preferential treatment for people that are established scientists that are thought to be beyond criticism? Theoretically. Like a gentleman like this who has an enormous position of power and a $2.6 billion budget behind him. Well, but look at the bottom line, which pharmaceutical company was involved in it?
Okay, which pharmaceutical and you know, that's one of the problems that you know RFK junior will be Generating is that as he finds that this science is 70% you can't reproduce it meaning that right it's maybe not accurate
Maybe there's a little bit of bias has been kind I'm trying to be kind yeah, because otherwise it's fraudulent right it is correct I was just reading an article about Alzheimer's that was claiming that Alzheimer's didn't even exist until modern times statins
statins cause Alzheimer's, is everything? This article was connecting it to our diet, the standard American diet. And they were saying that all the bullshit food that people eat is contributing to this condition. And what I was going to get to you is that would lead to inflammation, correct? You got it. Because the bullshit American diet filled with crap is terrible for you. And that leads to inflammation.
You look at the inflammatory neurodegenerative diseases. What does everyone have now? It says a low inflammatory diet. Right. That's what he talks about also in hit in high impact interval training and high impact aerobics. What happens is you can increase a chemical in the brain called brain derived neurotrophic factor, which is something that helps to improve neuron to neuron communication and neurology of your brain.
And I don't know if you saw, we have one of your favorite guys, Gerald McClellan. I don't know if you've seen some of the papers that have come out. He had a stroke in 95, fighting a Nigel Ben in London. And during that fight, it was a horrible fight if you've ever seen the... It's a crazy fight, yeah. So anyway, he had a stroke from that. It was hospitalized for 11 days in a coma in ICU in London.
gets out his sister, Lisa McClellan, refuses to put him into a nursing home into a hospice health, takes him into the house in Chicago, and for 29 years dealt with him. She develops an organization called Ring of Brotherhood, where Muhammad Ali's niece and son, I think, are part of it. And they take care of boxers who are leaving the ring.
who have symptoms, punch, drunk, or what do they call it, pre-cocks, or pugilistic, dementia, pugilistic, yeah. And she contacted me and told me about her brother and I looked at stuff and what we did was we set up a fund and we paid for his laboratory work and his initial assessment and we found he was hormonally deficient. So what we ended up doing is putting him on to the hormone replacement
and to one of the peptides that we use, which is called NaSeal C-Max, which stimulates the brain to produce more brain-derived neurotrophic factor. He's in Chicago. I'm in California, or here in Texas, in Magnolia.
And one of our docs in Chicago took the lead. I just gave her what to do. He's 20% better in four months on the protocol. He's now remembering things. He's communicating. He's on the phone. And a boxing journalist, Oliver Fennell, came from London to Chicago and wrote a paper, which is called A Day in the Life of Gerald McClellan, and talks about what happened and where he's gone.
And he's had some improvement. That's incredible. Yeah, phenomenal. 20% I'm sure we talked about Rick Perry before the podcast started. So I'm sure you're aware of his push to legalize Ibogaine and start using Ibogaine for.
people with traumatic brain injuries and he was talking about how it regenerates neural tissue and helps people significantly and then on top of that the addiction issue where people have addictions and I began as incredible for curing those.
Like literally curing them in one in one with one sessions in the 80 percent range with two sessions It's in the it's somewhere around 97 percent, which is just crazy 93 to 97 phenomenal. I give a lot of credit to Rick Perry in 2022 they had HB 1802 Which is the first bill in any state where the state?
put money into a research project at Baylor for, um, it was for, uh, civil assignment is where he started. So it was Rick Perry, Andrew Mark was part of it, a little with Dr. Martin. Shout out to our friend Andrew. Yeah.
Hello, Andrew. And let's see, Dr. Martin Polanco, who I'll cycle back to because the Ibogaine issue is what he helped to develop. So it was also representative Alex Dominguez, who helped to push it through to get the funding for it. And it's at Baylor with a doctor by the name of
Lynette Avril, PhD. She's, I believe, the one who's in charge of it. But recently, you know, we have ayahuasca. We've got Ibogaine. We've got LSD. We've got MNTA. The Ibogaine seems to be really good for addiction.
And for neural regeneration, which is what you were talking about, to improve it in the neural function, downside is the cardiovascular. So it has to always be under a very strict, very close observation. And the doctor that I talked about, MD, Martin Polanco, who has clinics in Mexico, uses Ibogaine.
And one of our new vets who came on board in one of the other states set up a 508 charitable organization. The eight is a religious organization. He imports Ibogaine from I think it's Chile and gets it here in the states and then sends it to Mexico to Dr. Polanco to do studies. So right now I believe he has the largest group of studies. And one of the things that
really has to be looked at is the compassionate use of these products. You've got guys that are coming back from war who everything isn't working, you know, everything. So you have to start pulling the stops out and treat them. I mean, if you really want them to get better, especially when there's real evidence that there's not just anecdotal evidence that they work, but there's actual scientific evidence of their effectiveness. There's mechanisms we understand. Right.
So I think I might have sent you a preliminary paper I'm working on on the neurotransmitters to identify how each one of the psychedelic assisted therapeutic agents work in the brain. And the science is already out there. So what does it tell you? The foundation for how they work, why they work and how they work is already there. So why aren't we using it?
Well, because of a stupid law that was passed in 1970 to punish Richard Nixon's political opponents, that's really what it is. What's it? Yeah, that's what it is. It was about the Civil Rights Movement and the anti-war movement. And so one of the ways to get at these people, they knew that one of the big shifts of culture, if you go back to, like, we talk about it ad nauseum on the podcast, but there's just a gigantic shift in culture from the 1950s to the 1960s.
It's almost unimaginable the amount of change it takes place and what you have to imagine as a person today is 2015. Now you think in time things accelerate even more rapidly and change is more exponential. It's more crazy in time and it's kind of sort of true with some technologies especially today with AI.
But if you go back to 2015, and if you were just driving around in 2015, everything is essentially the same. The phones look pretty much the same. The cars look pretty much the same. There's not much difference. There's not much difference in your life. If you go from 1959 to 1969, you have a totally different fucking world. You have a totally different world of culture, totally different world of movies, totally different world of music, totally different world of automobile design,
You have a totally different world that I believe is inspired by psychedelic drugs. And when Nixon throws the water on the psychedelic movement in 1970 and makes them all schedule one, including things that aren't even psychoactive, by the way, missed a bunch of really good ones. Missed a bunch of really good ones that are still legal. One of them was Salvia, which is fucking bananas, insanely potent psychedelic drug that was completely legal.
If you look at it culturally, you see this shift. You see the movies get clunkier and goofy. You see the cars start to look like shit. You see the music starts to suck. It starts to be like real frivolous and very surface. It's cocaine music, right? It's not Led Zeppelin. It's not psychedelic music. It's not the door. It's not Hendrix. It's not Hendrix.
It's not voodoo child. It's something completely divorced from feeling. And this is because of Richard Nixon. So you're basically saying the importance of psychedelics in expanding the visions that we have to advance our culture and society has been removed. Exactly.
Yeah, I agree. We talked about the sympathetic use. There's people that are going to use things and they're going to abuse things. Just like you and I are having a glass of whiskey. Cheers, sir. Yeah, my time. Play-offs. We're talking about play-offs.
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responsible adults. I'm entitled to a refill. Yes, sir. Okay. There you go. Get in there. You fucking drunk. I took my Google bio. I know you did. I know you did. I apologize. I finally went back and listened to our first podcast for 38 from August 8th, 2012. Damn, that long ago? Wild. 13 years ago? Wild. It was wild. And the thing that stuck out was
the glutathione. So I started this morning with my glutathione, because I knew we were going to finish this bottle. Oh, well, I'm not finishing that bottle. There's not a chance of hell. I have stuff to do. Oh, and I just worked out. Did you take glutathione? I haven't taken it yet. No, I take it every night. Sure. If you got some, go get me some. I take it every night.
This is like a somal. That's what that is. There you go. Oh, this I have to suck on this, right? Hey, no. Brain risk, you number three. No. Is this your company? Yeah, that's our product. And that is our core product for fixing the guys with TBI. Yeah. How's the new flavor?
That's actually good. Oh, thank you. That actually doesn't taste bad at all. I was getting nervous. Oh, when you're eating something out of a tube, he said, like, depends on whose tube it is. Yes. In that room. It's not actually even a tube. I don't know why I said it to you. It's a packet, like a ketchup packet. There you go. But it's not ketchup. But it doesn't taste bad at all. No. But yeah, you turned me on the glutathione decade ago, decade plus. Thirty. Yeah. Long time ago. Long time ago. But.
Yeah, because of meeting you, I mean, I really ramped up all of my nutritional supplements in a big way. Because back then, when I first met you, it had to be 15 years ago, right? Somewhere around then? Yeah. At least. When I first met you, I was just basically taking multivitamins. I wasn't really strict about it. And then when you started doing blood work and explaining things to me and breaking down the nutritional deficiencies, like you need niacin, you need this, you need that. And I started taking all that stuff.
It makes a significant difference. It really does. And I talk to a lot of people that are skeptical about vitamins and they talk to their doctors, unfortunately. And the reality is that you're very educated in this department, but many doctors have a cursory at best understanding of nutrition. Their specialty is their specialty. If they are urologist or they're an orthopedic surgeon, that's their specialty.
And most of them are very unhealthy, unfortunately. Correct. And they're under the illusion that you can get everything that you need to live optimally with a balanced diet. That's horseshit, people. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And you notice it eventually. Look, when I go on vacation, I've gone on vacation before, like seven day vacations and not take invited with me. Feel shitty.
Yeah, man. Like I feel different. Like at the end of seven days, I'm like, Jesus, I need some fucking vitamins. So I don't do that anymore. Now when I go on vacation, I take vitamins with me. I'm like, what's the big deal? I pack underwear, pack my fucking vitamins. And I just make sure that I have everything that I need. And if I don't do that, I don't feel the same.
And I think it's just the difference between being alive, do you need it to be alive? No. But we're not talking about just alive. We're talking about optimization. And if you want to feel better, and everybody does, you should take vitamins. And you should take a bunch. You should take a lot of different stuff.
Yeah, absolutely. One of the times you're talking about our progression throughout time, back in the 90s, doctors were against vitamin saying that it's expensive urine, expensive flushing. Yeah. You remember that? My doctor told me that. And then what happened? And then all the science started coming out saying how we needed B12, because our nutrition was devoid, because the soil not being rotated, devoid in the nutrients to feed the plants, to give us our
I thought B12 is essentially from animals. It is muscle, from muscle, but talking about B complex, really. You know, you can get it in plants as well, but it's the trace elements as well, the minerals. And without having adequate amount in, you got to replenish it. And if you don't replenish it, you lose important, you know, pathways. What about folks that are getting their food organically? They're getting like, like, they go to a farmer's market. They get really good organic groceries.
Most of the organic people supplement the animals with quality supplementation food. I mean, organic vegetables. Organic vegetables. To be organic, you can't have pesticides on it. You can't have heavy metals, so it has to be nutritionally enriched with positive soil.
They might put adatives in it. Ideally you'd like just a natural process of compost and manure and stuff like that. I use chicken shit. It works. I've got some great lemons and vegetables. Do you know that people used to go to war over batshit? A guano. Yes. Yeah. And nuts. Like guano was so important for fertilizer.
Not only fertilized, then it became the base foundation for lipstick and eyeliner. Yeah, batshit was the foundation for lipsticks. You imagine kissing someone they got batshit lipstick. They had guano wars. Well, yeah, they really did have guano wars, isn't that nuts? Isn't that where batshit crazy came from?
I think the term batshit crazy, I think that had something to do with how fever and people would fight in a war over batshit. Is it fervent? Yeah, it's a good word.
I like bat. There's a lot of words I don't use, but I read them. And then when it's time to use them, I'm like, that's the appropriate road. I'm like, how are you in the fucking play with that? Yeah. You know, I think that's where the term bat shit came from. It's one bizarre link. Yeah. Wano ruled US agriculture and the world.
how fertilizer madness sparked into a turd war and turned guano into gold. Yeah, man. People needed that for fertilizer. Yeah. Does it talk about the cosmetic use of guano? Fountain of youth. The batshit is the fountain of youth. What is it? The nitrogen composition of it is very good for growth of plants.
This is interesting. It says, prior to modern science and agriculture, the wise and house of soil health largely were mysterious. How soil additives functioned or the knowledge of which minerals were needed and went was the realm of the blind. Beyond animal manure, farmers added soil amendments by the barrel. Composts, human waste, fish, coal-bride products, chalk, or whatever unholy concoction was hawked by the latest charlatan
to pull up in a wagon at town's edge and promise a yield bloom. Decade upon decade, the pitfalls of fertilization tormented growers until 1802 when German explorer and scientist Alexander von Humboldt strolled down a waterfront in Peru and felt his nose hairs curl in ammonia rebellion and an odor emanating from barge loads of yellow-brown cake guano.
Von Hombolt was told the stinking bird droppings covered the nearby Chincha Islands in deep layers and were massively popular with Peruvian farmers. So this is interesting. So that's how they started doing this. So this is in the 1800s. Can I read the next sentence? Sure. Okay.
A little dabble, do ya? Curiosity building the nostril burning button humbled, took home a scoop of guano to Europe and turned the spigot on agricultural fountain of youth, i.e. sparked a fertilizer war. You know what's the most interesting stuff about fertilizer?
It's shit to me. Do you know that soil that they have in the Amazon that was created by man? No. Yeah, it's called terra praeta and Graham Hancock told me about it. There's a very specific soil in the Amazon that they think
people from thousands of years ago, figured out how to make. And this is like some sort of a compost process. And it's a very dark soil called terra praeta. And this dark soil that exists on the surface layer of a lot of the Amazon was put there by man.
And not just put there by man, but created. Like they had a process that they have not replicated to this day. They don't know what it is or how they did it. But they're very aware that there was a process involved in making this stuff and that it's not a natural process of this stuff forming.
At least that's what he said. Let me show him some terra praeta. It's pretty fascinating. It's a dark earth. It's very interesting because you see it and you're like, that's what it looks like. So you see the terra praeta is on the surface.
and then you go below it and you just get like regular dirt but this terra praeta made everything very very rich and you know it grew so much plants is just like do you know that the amazon is mostly human planted plants that grew out of control yeah that's that it the original settlers of the and this is the theory right so
They know now that the Amazon was heavily populated. They didn't used to think that. They used to think there was just this crazy wild jungle and there's indigenous populations to live inside of it. Well, at one point in time, there were cities. So there's grids. They found indications of some sort of transportation of water.
They had, looked like streets, they had grids that indicate there were structures there, all throughout from the use of LiDAR. Oh, sure, satellite. So they fly over with drones and they scan the area. They probably could use satellites too, but they use drones and even airplanes. They scan the area and then they get these images that show these geometric patterns.
that exist below. And so they've unearthed a lot of these. And so now they think there were millions of people living in the Amazon. And that what probably happened was Europeans came over and gave them all smallpox.
Yeah, that's the theory. That's what killed everybody. Just like they did with 90% of Native Americans. But what was done there was done in a place where they had made this environment with terra praeta and just because of the lush rainforest, it rains constantly and vegetation grow so well that as soon as they were gone, within a couple hundred years, everything's consumed by the jungle. And then you had at least thousands and thousands and thousands of years in the future, there's nothing left.
And that's what they think they're looking at when they're looking at these large sections of the Amazon that have these patterns and structures that indicate civilization.
It's pretty wild. Yeah, I start my mornings looking at archaeology. You do? Yeah, I look at archaeology, but the archaeology that I look at in Lidar is in Europe, because I collect ancient coins from Europe, from Italy, and Germany, and so forth, and Spain. And I've seen the photos where they go over and they see the foundation, as you said, in structures that are man-made structures. Yeah. So it's neat stuff. It just makes you wonder.
How many of those exist out there, you know, in the Mexican jungles and in the Guatemalan jungles and that we don't even know about? Peltex, Aztecs, Mayan. Yeah. There's probably a ton of them back there. There's probably a bunch of stuff because the Amazon is so huge and most of it is not explored. Most of it is, you know, there's a bunch of different uncontacted tribes that live in there. Right. In fact, my friend Paul Rosalie, do you know what Paul Rosalie is? No. You see the one with archeology?
No, he's essentially working to save the brain forest. And what he does is he goes down there and he hires these people that were loggers to have a new job and the new job is to protect the forest instead. And they've saved like shit. I don't know what the number is, but an incredible large number of acres. They've saved this way and they continue to do this and they're trying to work with these people and try to stop them from just destroying the Amazon.
I think Sting donated a large amount of money to the Brazilian Amazon and a lot of entertainers who have donated a lot of money to protect it. So my friend Paul runs in the uncontactful tribes all the time. He sent me a video the other day that I can't share, but it's crazy. He's uncontacted tribes. He's naked people in the jungle in 2025.
Yeah. It's really wild. Yeah, they live in isolation. Yeah, well, you know, isolation from what? From us? From us? Yeah, but they lived the way people lived, you know, 100,000 years ago. And I would, God, if I could be a fly on the wall, can you imagine the documentary?
If we get really good at drones, the point where you can have a bunch of drones that really do look like insects and fly them in there and film these folks. And just without them being, but the problem then people would want to go visit them, you know, and then they'd fuck everything up. Yeah, you have to keep it hidden like your video you were talking about because the... That's the reason why he doesn't want the video to get out. He doesn't want people to know that there's these people out there and there's a lot of them.
He said, well, one of his friends was killed. One of his friends was murdered by these people with the darts with arrows with corarion. They could do that. But they, you know, they shot him with bows and arrows. They just fucking killed him. Um, and you know, this was a guy that was like giving them stuff too. It's like he was bringing over graphs of food and they're like, you know what? Today? Fuck you. Yeah. You know, we killed a bunch of fish today. We don't need your bananas.
Have you seen them where the ones, the Indians living in the Amazons, they're shooting down the monkeys for food? Oh yeah, they love monkeys. They don't need anything. They've already established a culture of hunting, harvesting, and building their homes or the building they're... You know what I found out recently? The term Indian is not because Columbus thought that he was in India.
I've been told that in fucking high school. So what is it? It's the children of God. What is the original term of indios? There's like, I forget the term.
Um, but it's not about India. It's just, they called them Indians because they were the people that were living here in this place that they had named. The indigenous. But it's, you know, like everybody thinks like America, you know, like you think of native Americans, you know, that we used to call them Indians because they thought we landed in the Columbus landed in India or he thought he landed in India. Did you really? What's that?
It says that the Portuguese word indios, but because Columbus was Portuguese, right? But what is it? There's a term though. There's a term like the people of God the Portuguese worse indios. That's what the AI said. Yeah, but there's another term in something something that has to do with indios. See AI I don't know. AI is wrong about stuff sometime. Where did the term
That's why I just typed in word the word. Just type in, why are Native Americans called Indians? That's not going to get you there either. It was the... The word Indian. Right.
So I was listening to this guy talk about this in a lecture. I wish I saved it. I absorbed too much information and don't follow it through. I don't know. It was this one, what was it say?
Always in the impression that we use the term Indian, because Europeans were mistaken that they landed India. However, this HuffPost article explains that it wasn't possible that we use the term Hindustan for India. That's what it is. And that Europeans used the term India earlier on, which had morphed into Indian. That's right. It was India. So click on the HuffPost article, the name Indian and political correctness. In 2007. Right. Well, this guy was, it was all lecture this guy was giving.
Whoever wrote this could be the guy that gave the lecture. Hmm could be happens right could be yeah goal. Um, what is he saying? What's his turn because there was something
There was something that had to do. That's right. Los Ninoes Indios. Okay. Who called them Los Ninoes, spelling maybe the Children of God. The description by the Padre means something like the Children of God. After many years of use, the word Indios emerged into this day. The indigenous people south and central America are called Indios.
so this is what this guy was saying so it's a stop scroll back go back uh... so it said here i'm a firm believe that most historians are wrong with the credit christopher columbus for calling the word indian because he thought he was landing ships in india by fourteen ninety two there was no country known as india instead that country was called him to stand
I think that it's close to the truth that Spanish Padre that sailed with Columbus was so impressed by the innocence of the natives, he observed that he called them Los Ninos Indios, meaning spelling may be wrong in the Spanish words, but the description by the Padre means something like the Children of God. After many years of use of the word Indios emerged, and to this day the indigenous people of South and Central America are called Indios.
I'm told that as the word wound its way north it evolved into Indian. Of course some will say that there was a place in the East Indies in 1492 and Columbus may have thought he was headed for that region. So how and when did the effort to politicize the name start?
Some of it started when Native Americans enrolled in some of the white colleges. I think they found the word Indian offensive and set about to remake it. They found that the word Indian was often used in a derogatory fashion such as drunken Indian or rotten Indian. Perhaps the white people would have found it more difficult to say drunken Native American. And those white people. Yeah, those dirty white people. Absolutely.
They're a problem. Finally, when some Indian journalists made it to the newsrooms of large and prestigious mainstream newspapers, they reacted to the word Indian as they did when they were in college. They went to their editors and tried to impress upon them. The paper should no longer use the word Indian, but instead switched to Native American or Native.
Interesting. The problem even with Native American is, um, Native for how long? So, like, if you believe the bearing land mass theory that they came across that way, then in a lot of Native Americans, and this was actually tested because of Mormons,
So there was a wealthy Mormon who spent a bunch of money on DNA testing for Native Americans because he was sure that it was going to relieve, it was going to show that they were from the lost tribe of Israel. Because he believed that, you know, the Mormon teaching is that like the Indians and Native Americans are lost tribes of Israel. But then he found out when they did the DNA testing, no, they're from Siberia, like a lot of them are from Siberia.
So that would make sense. They crossed the Bering Land Bridge. Their ancestors did. And they wound up in North America. Well, my people came from coming in for those kids in Russia. Well, that's connected. Yeah, it was from there from Siberia. Yeah, we bought Alaska for like 50 bucks. Yeah. That was like the deal of life. They talk about the century. Manhattan might be the better deal.
Like financially, it's worth a lot more. But goddamn, Alaska is bigger than Texas. Alaska is huge. And you've gone there hunting, right? Oh, yeah. I've gone there a few times. It's an incredible place. Alaska is incredible. It's really wild. Like, that's the last real frontier. If you want to get away, move to a small town in Alaska and go live next to Sarah Palin.
I can see Russia from there. So I should become Secretary of State. Remember when she said that? You can see Russia. But you can't even see the rest of Alaska. Alaska is huge. What are you saying?
Yeah. I loved it there. It's gorgeous. Salmon fishing. I like the people. The people are just different, and they're just rugged people. They're more reliable. They're built better. You know how certain gene expressions are turned on and off due to stress? Imagine they're genes.
They're dealing with fucking grizzly bears and moose and shit. I'm sure you've seen this video of this guy that goes outside of his house in the morning and two gigantic moose are duking it out in his driveway. Head to head. Head to head. Bouncing off cars and shit. This guy's like, whoa. And he lives in a neighborhood. It's like this guy's in the woods somewhere on his own. He's in a fucking neighborhood. These moose are duking it out.
Yeah, I love that. In my neighborhood, the old neighborhood in Chatsworth, we had brown bears coming in. No, you didn't. You had black bears. They had black bears. No, brown bears of California. No, no, no, no. What do you mean, no, no, no? Brown bears have been extinct in California since the 1800s. They look brown and they're black.
Yes. The last guy to die from bear attacks, from a brown bear, was Steven Levesque. And he died in what's now Levesque, California. They named the town after him. And it's right outside of Tohone Ranch. I'll have to show you the pictures. Well, I'll tell you what it is. It's called a color phase bear.
So it's a different, it's a different bear. So there's a brown bear, which is a grizzly bear and the Kodiak bear and you know those bears, but they're all the same bear. The difference between a grizzly bear and a brown bear is just mostly what they eat. So the brown bears in like Alaska have so much salmon that they have immense amounts of protein and they're the largest of all the brown bears. They're fucking huge.
They're much, much, much, much bigger than a black bear. Yeah. We had parks and rangers come to our house because one of our refrigerators failed. So we had all this great beef in there. So I had to throw it out. Oh, the bears found it. The next day, the bears found it. It was in the, you know, canister and they came there. So I took videos of these
What I thought were brown bears coming in. So you're saying they're not. What's the? No, they're brown color phase. So brown bears can be, excuse me, black bears. Black bears can be brown. Most of them are black. Some of them are even blonde. There's blonde color phase bears that they find up in Alberta, but they're black bears. So a black bear is less aggressive than a grizzly bear. A grizzly bear is a brown bear, and they were killing so many people in California that they wiped them out.
That's what happened. Well, this one jumped over a six foot fence. But before it jumped over the six foot fence, it ended up eating chicken and filet mignon and ribeye and everything. The only thing it didn't eat was the garlic naan. Well, tell you what, that bear is going to be back.
It came back three times. On the third time, Parks and Recreation came by with a dart gun to try and put it down so that they can transport it to someplace else. Did they get it? No. No. It jumped over the fence. I've never seen a bear jump six feet. Oh, they can move, man. It was 250 pounds, at least, as what they said. Yeah. Oh, they can move. They move very, very, very fast. It was unbelievable. You'd be amazed at how fast they can move. Like, when they're chasing after another bear or something's happening, they move very fast.
And then there was, it jumped into our swimming pool. And it was just, yeah, I had a swimming. But in Pasadena, they have a lot of those. A lot of them. In Pasadena? There's a funny video of this guy in Pasadena. He's walking down a street and he turns into Ali and he's just staring at his phone and he's walking with his phone and this guy gets to them like 30 feet of fucking bear. Wow.
Hey, just like, you see, you can find it. It's hilarious. I was like 10 feet away. In Pasadena, like in full-on Pasadena, not like the outskirts and the bush. Right. No, like actual street, city street, in Pasadena, Black Bear. Yeah, so what do you do when it's looking you face to face?
Well, you usually make a noise and try to startle it and frighten it and get the fuck out of there. Like, hey bear. You say, hey bear. That's what people do. They say, hey bear. The thing is like bears that have been accustomed to people. So that right there is a black bear. That is not a brown bear. The one that I saw and I have it on my cell phone, but it was lighter than that.
Yeah, they make the, like I said, they get even blonde. So that's a brown black. That's a color phase black bear. It's intimidating. Yeah. Well, let's see the difference though. Pull up grizzly bear. So grizzly bear is a completely different motherfucker. Yeah. So on the state flag of California. That's a grizzly bear. That's a grizzly bear. Yes. That is the brown bear that is no longer. Look at the size of those motherfuckers. See, that's a different thing. Wow.
See the difference in the size? So that's a black bear and that's a grizzly bear. Yeah, that's grizzly. Grizzly's are much bigger, much more aggressive, much more dangerous. But interestingly enough, black bears turn out to be more predatory towards humans. So when a black bear attacks people, usually it's trying to eat them. Whereas when a grizzly attacks people generally, like a large percentage of the attacks are, I'm good, a large percentage of the attacks are people accidentally stumbling upon a mother and their cubs.
Mother, that's the worst case scenario. This is protective. Yeah, you get near a mama bear. That's so terrifying because they just try to eliminate the threat immediately. And they just go after you and fuck you up. They don't look at you and go, what are you doing? What's this about? They have to protect their cubs. And there's so much cannibalism in the bear world.
They eat their babes? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Male grizzlies eat cubs and they hunt cubs. And so there's so much cannibalism of cubs from male grizzlies that the females are always on edge. Because everywhere they go, their fear is that they run into a male who's going to eat their cubs.
Grizzlies are fucking ruthless. These assholes that think they want to bring Grizzlies back to California, this is like a movement now to bring Grizzlies back because just like they brought wolves back to Colorado, these people are retarded and they've never spent a second in the woods. They don't know what the fuck they're dealing with. They don't know what you're bringing back and what the consequences are going to be.
of those things. And look, there's places they exist and they're great. It's awesome. Go to Montana, you can see them. Go to Wyoming, you can see them. They're starting to make their way into Colorado. A friend of mine saw one in the San Juan Mountains. You got video footage of it. I know you go with your archery hunting.
There's no hunting of bears. Yeah, there's a lot of hundred bears lower 48 so they're trying to change Alaska They're trying to change that in Montana because they have so many beer instances and you know and attacks and a woman was killed a couple years ago She's dragged out of her tent
Yeah, it's scary shit, man. And I'm not advocating for the eradication of grizzlies. I'm just saying that with our modern society, when they haven't existed in an ecosystem to reintroduce that to the ecosystem, you're going to cause chaos. You're going to cause havoc. And if you want healthy, breeding populations of them,
Good luck. Good luck. Because now everything changes. All your livestock changes, your dogs change, your dogs are going to get eaten. Anything you have a dog chained up in the backyard, that's meat on a stick. Yeah, that's not a chain. Yeah, that's over. They're going to do that. They're going to target your garbage. You're not going to be able to get rid of them.
They're going to keep coming back. It's they're dangerous animals and they're beautiful and amazing and important part of the ecosystems that they exist in currently like Montana and Wyoming with its elk populations and a lot of food for them. Alaska. Yeah, I personally can't see for myself going out hunting for bears or elks or moose and I know you do that but
There's such incredible animals. They're just incredible animals. They are. Yeah. I just can't see putting them down. The way they die without me is way worse. If I get them, I'm going to get them in an arrow and they're going to be dead in seconds. Yeah. If they get attacked by a bear or a mountain lion, it's fucking brutal. It's brutal. And the worst, I mean, they might just freeze to death. That's how most of them go. I know. I shot an elk a couple of years ago that was 11 years old and he had almost no teeth left.
His teeth were ground down because they don't live long and part of it is because they can't grind food after a certain age. Yeah, because of no teeth. No teeth. Because their teeth are, I mean they're just digging into the ground and pulling out shrubs and grasses and they're constantly mashing and smashing and over the period of 11 years his teeth had worn down to the roots.
So you've gone after bears? I have hunted bears before. You've hunted bears and you've eaten it. Yeah. What's the meat like? It's like beef. It's like a like a like a pig fucked a cow. That's what it's like. It's like a weird kind of beef. Okay. Maybe a deer fucked a cow.
It's good though, but it depended upon the diet of the animal. So like the people that hunt grizzly bears and they've eaten grizzly bears or brown bears, they say they taste so fishy, it's almost intolerable. But you could turn them into sausage, you could do the right spices and stuff. Bear sausage is great.
But you also have to be careful because of trichinosis. So you have to make sure you cook it to 160 plus degrees to kill the trichinosis. Because I know several people that got trichinosis from bare meat.
Well, it's just parasites and your muscles. And it doesn't have too many adverse effects. It means very painful and brutal for the beginning exposure, the beginning infection. But then the thing is, if you're a cannibal and you eat that dude and you don't cook him right, you're going to get it from him, which is really crazy. One of the reasons why I don't eat pig that you got after me in the last time we were here.
Pig has a lot of parasites. Sure. And a lot of them aren't cooked to the level to kill the parasites, cystosurcosis and so forth. And trichinosis. And trichinosis. Yeah, especially wild pigs. Yeah. You know what the number one source of trichinosis is for people in America? No. Black bears. Isn't that crazy? Think about how few people eat black bears. Yeah. But it's the number one source of trichinosis in America for people that test positive for it. So it's through contamination. Food from eating them. From eating them.
Yeah, because there's a lot of people that hunt black bears. Wow. Yeah. Want to get really get blown away? Yeah. What, you know, it has the state has the largest population per capita of black bears in the country.
Uh, Wyoming, Mad Jersey. No way. Yep. New Jersey. New Jersey has an infestation of Black Paris. New Jersey, we've played this video a hundred times with these giant bears that are duking it out in a beautiful suburb of far Rockaway, New Jersey. So it's like nice, nice, normal, not like the woods. Yeah. Not like, you know, fucking residential area. Yeah, not the mountains, residential area. They knock over this mailbox and they're duking out in the street.
Big fucking bears. Big bears. A guy recently shot the state record black bear in New Jersey and it was 800 pounds. Yeah. You should see it. Pull that video up the photo rather up with this guy's bear. So I'm pretty sure that was archery as well. They banned bear hunting in New Jersey when the new governor came into place. That lasted for about a year. And then the human interactions with bears were so frequent and so that they restarted their bear hunting program.
It's an important tool. Look at the size of the bear. Look at the fucking size. 770. 770 dressed. Wow. That's 770 after they gutted it. And they added another 800 pounds for its intestines and organs. And now another 100 pounds rather. So they think, so it's field dressed the bear before it was officially weighed in at 770. So it's probably quite a bit heavier than that.
Pretty nuts. So if you see there's other pictures of it, when you really get a better size of it, see if you can find some other pictures of it. That is huge. Yeah, some other pictures have it laid out, and you can see what it looks like. It's a fucking giant bear. But it's because they have so much food there. And a lot of these bears exist, look at the size of that thing. A lot of these bears exist around humans. And you've gone after a black bear? Not that big. Not that. The black bears that I've shot are like 200 pounds, 250 pounds.
Well, they didn't look like babies. Yeah, I know. But yeah, you eat them, man. And it's also, it's an important part of conservation because if you don't control their populations, no one does. This is the thing about bears. They are the top of the food chain. So if you're not controlling them, no one does. And so what they do is they eat each other. That's the only control of bears is the infanticide of the cubs by the males.
And the females too, by the way. You want to hear a crazy thing, my friend Jonathan? He watched this bear in this female bear, because so the male bear came around, the female bear's trying to fight him off, and she eventually can't, and the male bear gets ahold of one of her cubs and kills it, and she chases him off of her dead cub, then she eats her cub. Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's the real world. That's the real world. She ate her cub right in front of him, and he came back to camp, and he was like, fuck.
Yeah, so that's the balance that has to be struck in where is it Montana where they had open season for For elk or for moose. No, was it moose? No, there's no open season. There's no like which state was open season open season where you need a permit, right? They had a cold the whole
There's no way. They would never do that with elk. Elk is a very valuable, no, no, no. They would never do that with moose either. They would never do that with it. They do it in some communities with white-tailed deer. And the reason why they do it is because they're completely overpopulated. And oddly enough, this happens a lot in the suburbs.
Like there's places in the suburbs, yeah, where people, there's like people who bow hunt in the suburbs. Because like, look, if you're bow hunting, your arrow doesn't go more than a hundred yards, right? It's not like you have to worry about you shoot and someone a mile away gets hit by a bullet, if you miss. Your arrow drops, it arcs, right? Archery, it arcs.
Sure. So it drops down to the ground. It only goes so far. And so it's safer if you have competent hunters who are skilled to hunt in the suburbs. And most of these suburbs have wooded areas. And they're infested with deer. So I think it was Pennsylvania. Those states that were bringing in bow hunters.
in New York and in all their wisdom, these fucking dorks, and in the area around the Hamptons, they have this issue, but the people are so fucking retarded. Long Island. Well, it's just the Hamptons, because they're rich. It's like if you have regular Long Island, regular Long Island, probably say, yeah, we should hunt them, because they're food. I'm from Queens.
Yeah, there you go. So they decided they were going to just try to sterilize the deer and give them birth control. They came up with all these wacky concepts, but they didn't want to bring in bow hunters. But wasn't there in the last, what, five years? There was an overpopulation of moose or your elk? There's never been an overpopulation. No, no, no, no.
There's been times where they had seasons in winter for elk in Montana and the reason it was a complete depopulation effort so they had had this before the reintroduction of wolves though. So the reintroduction of wolves which is in the 1990s has significantly impacted the elk population.
and now it's actually more difficult to get a tag. But back then they would have certain seasons that would have in the winter. So you'd be able to get these elk that were out there in the snow moving very slowly in the deep snow and you could just kind of pick them off. And it was basically just a meat hunt and it was a lot, they killed a lot of cows that way, cow elk.
And it was just a way for people to get meat and also they were trying to put a dent on the population because it wasn't sustainable. So they would have an elk herd of thousands of elk where it really should have been like 800 elk with the sustainability of the area. And the bear couldn't keep up. They couldn't eat enough of them. The mountain lions couldn't eat enough of them. And then they brought in the wolves.
And the wolves were way better than everybody else, because they hunt together. And they started really chipping away at them. And now they've knocked the elk population down. I think it's in the neighborhood. They dropped it by 40% plus. What was the need for reducing the elk population?
Well, if you don't have a balanced ecosystem, right, if you don't have enough predators and you have a large animal like an elk, like a bull elk is an 800 pound animal and a cow elk, a mature cow elk is north of 300 pounds, 400 pounds. So this is a lot of food and they can decimate vegetation and there was a documentary that's kind of like poo pooed by people, but interesting nonetheless,
It's how wolves changed rivers, and it's all about how the Yellowstone ecosystem changed because of their introduction to wolves, and more songbirds came in because there was more vegetation, because the introduction to wolves, they killed off a lot of the elk. The elk had been just maybe overbalanced in the fact that it overrepresented, they were eating too much vegetation. It's all interesting, but what you really want is things to happen naturally, and then when there's a problem,
you know really the best way to handle the problem if there's like an overabundance of these animals is to bring in hunters
The other solution would be to bring in predators. The problem with bringing in predators is if you have a predator like wolves that has been forever maligned because they go after livestock and they do target ranchers. There was an article I read today actually about these ranchers that were kind of optimistic about wolves being introduced into Colorado and now they vehemently oppose it.
because they've seen the impact and one of the reasons why they saw the impact is because the governor of Colorado and all this fucking infinite wisdom he had a mandate to get these wolves introduced in a certain amount of time and they didn't have the wolves so they got wolves from Oregon that they had captured while they were praying on livestock
So these wolves were already accustomed to preying on livestock and those are the wolves they reintroduced in Colorado. They reintroduced wolves that had already been, they had already been like naturalized to killing livestock. And so what they started doing, they started finding livestock and killing them again.
are you but that's the thing it's like you're you're fucking around with nature and you don't know how this calculation is going to end here is like a good example is australia australia is a fucking mess because they kept bringing in animals and then they bring in animals to kill the animals and then they have an overpopulation of certain animals they bring cats and now they have an overpopulation of feral cats the point where they hunt feral cats like if you look at an australian bow hunting journal
You know, they have bow hunting magazines. My buddy Adam Greentree, shout out to Adam Greentree. My buddy Adam gave me a magazine from Australia bow hunting. I'm like, bro, what the fuck is this? It's all cats. These guys are holding up house cats because they kill feral cats whenever they can because feral cats have decimated ground nesting birds and they've destroyed just a shit ton of native animals that were in that area. They brought them in to kill some other animal they brought in. It's like.
You can't fuck around with nature like that. You don't know what the consequences are. And when you do ballot box biology, which is essentially what this stuff is. So the reintroduction of wolves is something people voted on. The people that voted on are living in fucking Denver, right? They don't encounter wolves. They don't know what they're doing. It's like the same thing happened in Vancouver.
so in british columbia they outlawed grizzly bear hunting why they do that because a man by which you kill it they call it trophy hunting but it's important to manage the predators and the people that knew this with the people that live in the rural areas that were vehemently oppose this ban
And then what happens? Well, you get ballot box biology. You get people that have no experience with bears, don't encounter bears, don't have to worry about bears. And they say, yeah, let's not ban them anymore. Now you got bears breaking into people's houses, and there's much more of them than ever before, and people are freaked out.
You can't do anything about it. Yeah, I freaked out when the bear came to the house. Yeah, it's like whoa You've seen this fucking bear 250 pounds swimming in my swimming pool, you know going back and forth and then the Department of Parks and Rangers came you know came in to try and deal with it. Yeah, I
Yeah, they said stop feeding it. I'm not feeding it I put the fucking you know beef into the garbage can because it's no longer you know It wasn't frozen right there kept on cut don't put it there. Where should I put it? Yeah, we should put it at your asshole neighbors house
Yes, I've got its annoying. Go use his garbage in the middle of the night. I've got a bad neighbor. I'm going to have to put it into there. Yeah, you should dress up, though. Dress up like a Ku Klux Klan member or something like that. No, dress up as a bear to go into Rolls Royce to destroy the Rolls Royce. Oh, there you go. You remember that one? No, what was that? You didn't see that? Oh, that's right. A guy was wearing a bear suit and a bronze fraud insurance fraud brought in the bear expert and said,
That bear would not have gone into the Rolls Royce and done those scrape marks on it. So this guy was trying to get rid of his car. He was trying to get insurance money. Oh, what a moron. What a silly bitch. Yeah. Yeah. I've learned right now so much more about bears. You know, incredible.
Yeah, they're a wild animal. Not wild, just wild, but fastening. I love them. Teddy Roosevelt, when he did his bear hunting, loved it. The bear is such incredible. You know what the scariest bear to run across is? Take a polar bear. Oh, white bear, yeah. You know why? No. Because they don't eat anything but meat.
At least grizzly bears. If you find a grizzly bear that's in a blueberry field, you probably don't have to worry about them. They eat blue bears? Oh yeah, they'd be gorging on blue. But black bears and grizzly bears are omnivorous. So they eat vegetation and they also eat meat. Yeah. Polar bears are just carnivores. Wow. And they're hyper aggressive. Wow. Yeah, they just eat seals and occasionally people. But they hunt people. Yeah. No way. Oh yeah, they'll go after you. They smell you from a distance to hunt you.
Bad body odor or something. Just you smell. Everybody smells. You'd be amazed at how much a bear can smell. There was a video where my friend was in, I think they were in Montana, maybe Idaho, and a bear was 700 yards away plus.
And the wind hit the back of his neck and the bear started running. And he's like, did that fucking bear wind us? Like the bear caught their smell from 700 yards away.
And went after him. No, the other way. It ran away. Black bears run away. Smart. Yeah. Absolutely. He went, run. Yeah. Well, in any area where the bears get hunted, they run away. Sure. You know, like in Alaska, if they smell you generally, they run away because people hunt bears in Alaska. They don't have any experience with getting hunted. Black bears do, but grizzly bears don't in the lower 48. In the lower 48, it's not legal to hunt them yet. But they're trying to... Grizzlies. Grizzlies. Okay. Yeah.
interesting, interesting. Great new information for me. It's important to know. It's a wild world out there. Absolutely. It's a wild world. And if you know, you live in the city and you think it's cute, let's go for a hike. And all of a sudden you meet a fucking mountain lion.
We have mountain lions were fuck houses. Yeah, mountain lions, Bobcats, deer, Bobcats, a lot of you have a lot more deer if it wasn't for the mountain lions. And that's what the wildlife lovers want. They want nature to balance itself out. The problem is they eat your cats and dogs to a lot of them in San Francisco. It was like 50% of the problem cats that they caught. They found out their diet was pets. Yeah, 50% of their diet was pets.
I lost two cats. Yeah, coyotes mostly, right? The coyotes were the ones, they were indoor cats and every now and then they would go out and gone. Yeah. Gone. Owls get them too. Do they really? They swoop in and pick them up and pick them away. A buddy of mine has a friend who works in a tree service and they found a nest, an owl nest that was filled with cat collars. Yeah, like 10 cat collars in there. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, we've had owls where we are. We're in Senesuzana Pass. Oh, yeah. Yeah, a lot of owls out there. A lot of owls. Do you know owls are stupid?
No. Yeah, they're dumb. You know that whole thing of wise old owl? They're one of the dumbest birds. They don't learn things. They're stupid. I talked to a lady who's a falconer and she trains birds and she has an owl and she's like, it's the dumbest bird I have. She's like this idea that owls are wise. She's like, they're the second dumbest bird. Who's number one? I forget. Ostrich. See if you can find it. It's in the ostrich family. It's another animal that's in the ostrich family. Ostrich's might be dumber than owls.
They're really dumb. Always got their head in the sand. Well, they're also big. Yeah, they're big. They don't they don't fuck. What's the other kill you? What's kick you to death? What's the other breed? That's it's not ostrich, but it's in the same family. Castle way. It's cost away. I think that's what it's. That's the one that's dangerous. They kill people. That's you ever seen that fucking weird bird? No. Is that what it's in that? Am I saying it right?
Cassowary. That's Cassowary. Yeah, they're freaky looking man. They're freaky looking. Yeah, they're a big ass bird too, but they kill people. The people have died by being attacked by these birds. And what, pecs them on their face? I think they claw them. I think they attack you with their claw. It might be their face too. Their face looks like a fucking hatchet. Wow, beautiful bird. Beautiful. God, look at his eyes. Wow, combination at you. Wow, look at the comb. Google Cassowary kills people.
and where they found just in australia i don't know where that one is a massive flightless emu like creature uh... that's the word uh... as the most dangerous bird in the world on to the fact that is it it can seriously injure kill a human or a dog in an instant with his deadly clause he has a clause they just rip you apart so they go for your guts you know that's the same way yeah
Look at their tips. Oh, my God. They got fucking talons for claws. Jeez. Five inch. They can eviscerate a human being with a single kick. Although there's no record of this happening. Once because the people are dead, they can run 13 miles an hour. The 75 year old man who was raising one in Florida, he tripped and fell on it. Oh, Jesus Christ. It's come to us. Yeah. Wow. Well, that's a bird I'm not going to collect.
Hmm. Yeah. What's the dumbest bird, Jamie? So it's a it said owls are smart when I Google or I'm a smart lies lies. So they're almost as smart as a crow or a horse shit. But I did see some stuff saying they're not that smart for their brains are different, but they have really good eyesight and stuff. Oh, yeah. No, owls are not dumb. Yeah, that's right. Lies.
I was talking to a lady. One lady told you they're not done. Two different falconers. And if you have three, it's a done deal. Two different people. In the last year, I've hung out with two different falconers and their animals. Believe it or not, one of them had an eagle. She had a female bald eagle. It was amazing.
Dude, I caught it on my arm. You know, you put the glove on. You have to put a different glove or the eagle than the other animals because its talons are so powerful. But having that thing land on your arm is crazy. The shoe bill might be the dumbest bird. The shoe bill? Even though it makes that cool-ass sound. Oh yeah, they're cool. Have you ever seen that fucking thing? A shoe bill? They make a sound that sounds like gunshots.
They slap their jaws together and they stand like that. That's what it looks like. See how the thing's standing up and things like five feet tall. Imagine a five foot tall bird with those evil eyes and that giant face. Look at his fucking mouth. Look at that beak.
Get a video of uh... That's the dumbest bird. I mean, there's multiple articles repeating. The dodo was really dumb bird, too. Yeah, dodo. But can you do Google's shoe bill makes noise? Shoe bill noise? Yeah. It's really cool. It sounds like a machine gun, isn't it? It's lacking, so they kind of shake the bottom and the top of their beak or their bill backwards and forwards. Shut the fuck up, dude. Shut this dude up. Shut this dude up.
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How crazy is that? Now imagine that getting a hold of your face. Imagine that fucking massive beat. A pendant lower down. It's a big animal too, man. They're big. What's the height of it? I think they're like five feet tall. Five. Fuck. And then nuts. Wow. And they look like they're from a different time. They look like they're like you went back at 3.5 to five feet tall. Yeah. They look like they're from dinosaur time. So it doesn't even make sense. Like look at that thing.
You ever heard of a terror bird? No. Terror birds used to exist like more than a million years ago, right? I work in human, you know, anatomy and human science. I work in meat fighting. Oh, yeah. You've collected shit out of each other. Yeah, and I want to complain about what's expecting to find some elk sticks out in your front.
I've got some. Yeah. First time I had it was. Yeah. Well, I'm not complaining. Yeah. But I asked when they said it's not available. Jamie, Google Terrabird, like, yeah, image with a human base. Where is it? Right there. So that is what they used to look like. Imagine that. Whoa. A nine foot to 10 foot tall giant flightless bird. And they called them Terrabirds.
Terror like T-E-R-R-R. Terror. Like you'd be terrified if you saw that fucking giant bird. Look at that thing. Fucking scared shitless. Killing horses and shit.
Terror bird. Yeah, it was huge. So where can we get one? They don't exist anymore. When did they die off? Look at it look like whoa Isn't that crazy? Imagine seeing that 10 feet tall. Wow. Holy shit. I'll take two, please. Huh? Look at the size of it. That's what they used to look like. That's it. Well, that's a recreation obviously. Yeah, obviously. I don't know where that is. So it was based off of the fossil ones. Yeah. Yeah. Fossil room. What year did they go extinct?
55 billion years ago. I think it was a couple million. Yeah. 55 billion years ago. It says right there, when the terrible go extinct.
Senozoic era. When's that? What date was that? Okay. It was January 66. Oh, a lot more. A lot longer. 66. So the current geological age of Earth. Oh, it's the current geological age beginning 66 million years ago and continuing to the present. So when did the terabirds go extinct? Does it say? When did they go extinct? How do you pronounce that word?
I think it says... Hold on. How do you pronounce that? P-A-4-U-S-R-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-
One of them survived into the late place to see and whoa 63 mean they could have been longer Dryas, you know, holy shit one of them survived up until 6,000 years ago a night well between 96,000 and 6,000 I thought it was millions. It's a late place to see Wow Oh, we're so lucky. Yeah Man ate it up, right
No, I don't think any other adults were here. They were European. I think there's probably a bunch of assholes who want to bring those back too. You know? They want to bring back the mammoth. That's probably next. They've been working on that, right? Yeah. Yeah. They'll probably just call it a different name. They won't call it a terror bird. They call it something cute. Yeah. You know, the conservation bird is going to make sure that all of them call it Big Bird. Big Bird. Yeah, we're going to bring back Big Bird. Just make them yell at some people of them. Hello, Big Bird.
I'm believable. Yeah. So natural world. So speaking of which since we're talking about ridiculous shit and you are a doctor, I wanted to bring this up to you because Jamie and I were exchanging text messages yesterday about these mummies that they found in Peru that have three fingers
Um, not aliens. Yeah. Well, I don't, they don't know what they are, but they have three fingers and not three fingers because they cut the fingers off. They actually, they're structured genetically as three fingers and their cranial capacity. It's, they have a large head, which a lot of times they think was due to, you know, they would form their head and like press, press boards to make their head stretch out, which they definitely did in some tribes. But the question is why were they doing that? And then were they doing it to replicate something else? That's it.
So the thing about these is that they had a cranial capacity that is larger than most human beings. That's alien. It looks like a fucking alien. That's a fucking, that's correct. But is that real? Here's the question. Okay, three fingered alien mummies. Click on that article and see where, where are they getting this information? I know it was in, yeah, New York Post.
So three-fingered alien mummies found in Peru have fingerprints that do not appear to be human. So the fingerprints that it has, instead of spirals, I think they're lines.
but scroll back, scroll back to where you were, look at that image, that's x-ray image of their fingers. So these are like real bones and pages. So this isn't just a statue that someone made. This has real bone structure that is exact, like what a human being has with all those little tiny muscles in the mid hand, right? I mean, that at all looks normal but weird with the three fingers and three toes.
And so if you scroll down, you'll see more images. So this is what it looked like when they found it. So the body is covered. Go back so I could read that, please.
It says the body is covered with diet, how do you say that? Diatimaceous earth. Diatimaceous earth, a type of white powder made from the sediment of fossilized algae found in the bodies of water. The only possible explanation for the unusually straight fingerprints could possibly have something to do with the way her skin was preserved, he said, noting that it's very odd. So the U.S. medical examiners traveled to Peru last April to study the bodies with a lack of human fingerprints puzzling.
He said it would be extremely premature to make any statements about the mummy's origins. So they know for a fact that these things are biological and they're not created. Have they done any sort of DNA? Look at the picture of what it actually looks like. That's fucking crazy. That does look like an alien. I mean, that's exactly what people expect to see at their bed in the middle of the night. You said it looks like an alien. It is an alien. If it's real.
It's so hard, and no disrespect to the post. But you know, people, bullshit. Not those, those I think have proven to be horseshit. But if you scroll up, scroll back to where you were, back to where you were, that thing. Okay.
I want to know what that is. Like, what is that? Because it's got three fingers and three toes and it's got an alien face. It looks like a gray. It has a tiny slot for a mouth and tiny dots for a nose. It looks like the archetypal angel or the archetypal alien rather that people see in like close encounters of the third time, third kind. And what was that other movie? The Whitley Stryber movie, Communion. Communion. I didn't see that one.
That's a weird one because Whitley Stryber is also a fiction writer. And he wrote this book about his own personal experiences with aliens, which I want to believe him. Yeah, that's classical impression. Yes. Bass wise of an alien of gray as you say. 100%. Yeah. Even with the shape of the eye, like the eyes are kind of slanted, like not like a humans, like they're at angles, just like they always show them what these kind of
They look big guys, the harmonized large image of one of them around here somewhere, don't we? Yeah, you probably had aliens all over this fucking place. But that classic look is exactly what those mummies look like. So they have straight, go back to what you just were. Three figures. Jesus Christ, all these pop-ups, isn't that crazy? It says the humanoid three-fingered alien mummies have straight fingerprints that do not match those of humans according to an attorney who reviewed one of the controversial specimens. Oh, an attorney said that.
you believe in i don't know the rest of this came from us because this guy didn't believe mhm i was saying so he's like we're gonna go look so josh will mcdowell a former cotaro colorado prosecutor in current defense turning examine one of the tiny strange bodies named maria uh... with three independent forensic medical examiners from the united states scroll it said he and the experts are shocked to discover that the fingerprints of the e t like corpses were perfectly straight lines they were not traditional human fingerprint patterns he told the daily mail
But what did they do in analysis of the tissue? Did they find out that it's actually biological tissue? Can you scroll down further? It doesn't say anything like that. So I was trying to go to different articles to find better. So I'm a forensic prosecutor, a criminal defense attorney. I've seen lots of fingerprints, and these were not classic fingerprints. Look how weird it is. Look at that image. That's so crazy looking. And also, how did I just find out about this yesterday?
I've talked about it before. I know, but I never saw it look like this. What I saw with those other ones that I think have been proven, I might be wrong, but I think, at least allegedly, had been proven to not be real. The person who was exposing those little tiny ones that were laying down straight, that guy had a history of doing some deceptive stuff.
Allegedly yeah, so but you believe that they're there. I mean you believe that the aliens are here I do not not believe do not not believe so I don't just believe
ambivalent as to the fact that I believe that they're here. I would say I'm ambivalent. I am open minded. OK, but you won't say yes. Yeah, I'm logical. Yeah. I think there's a lot of deception going on. OK, I think there's also the possibility that what we're dealing with is not as simple as we like to think. Yeah, these things. So these things I've heard are bullshit.
I don't, might be, might be wrong, but we'll try to find out. Well, might that be this information? That that Jane, that journalist that unveiled the bodies and the guy who exposed the bodies, the guy who exposed the bodies, I think was the one, the guy who came up with it.
So I'm trying to figure out how, so there's an issue of them being found in Peru and taken to Mexico. Oh, it's already that issue. Okay. And then where they said they were found near Nazca in 2017. I'm trying to feel like, okay, who found them lines? Yeah, that was the thing about that alien looking one with the three fingers. That was even more interesting to me.
Because that's that area where these incredible patterns that are made on the ground that you can only see from space or not space in the air. You can only see looking down on them.
So it's like, why would anybody even make those things? And some of them look like the images look like animals and stuff. Yeah, spiders and weird stuff. And some of them look like maybe even a person. Mexican doctors have examined the two bodies and featured elongated heads and three fingers on each end. Same thing, three fingers. They found no evidence of any assembly or manipulation of the skulls, but other scientists have panned the discovery as an elaborate stunt.
Mausan 70, who touted the purported extraterrestrials, the most important thing that has happened to humanity has denied any wrongdoing. Scroll down. Look at that. How fucking weird. Yeah. I believe that there are aliens. Why do you believe that? Why do I believe that? Why would we be the only
people on a planet, when there are millions and billions of planets out there. And we've reached a level of technology that allows us to send a ship to the moon, anticipation with Musk to go to Mars and so forth. How about there are other people on other planets who have accelerated been there millions of years longer than we have? Why isn't it that they're able to come to us to see what we're doing?
We're going out to other planets to see what was on other planets. I believe that there are other people out there. According to the UFO aficionado, by the way, as you say, according to UFO aficionado, I already started looking at you. You believe that? Yeah.
The analysis showed that the humanoids are not related to any known earthly species and that one-third of their DNA is unknown. Here you go. We'll take it and map it. Let's make a new one. Yeah, let's look at the DNA relative to ours. Get those mastodon guys and introduce some simian biology into them and turn it into a new kind of alien. Yeah, just do it 23 and me. It says the specimens are not a part of our evolutionary history of Earth.
The university has since distanced itself from on, claiming its scientists took no part in the research and never came in contact with the full corpses. In no case do we make conclusions about the origin of these samples. The university's national laboratory of mass spectrometry with accelerators said in a statement. Okay. The presence of carbon-14 allegedly detected in the specimens proved the samples were related to brain and skin tissues from different mummies who died at different times.
What does that mean? From one individual, is that saying from one individual, the presence of carbon 14 allegedly detected in the specimens prove that the samples were related to brain and skin tissue from different mummies who died at different times. So they're all different, they come from different times and they're all different little mummies. So that's what they're saying. So what they're saying is that the carbon isotope dating is showing that that's what it is, right?
Is that what they're saying? Okay. So how do you account for the fact that in Egypt and in the Mayan rooms and so forth? Hold on. This is our buddy Ryan. U.S. Navy pilot Ryan Graves who attended the hearing to share his personal experience with alleged UFO sightings, later slammed Malcon's presentation as a stunt.
He said yesterday's demonstration was a huge step backwards for this issue. Graves wrote on X, formerly Twitter, I am deeply disappointed by this unsubstantiated stunt. Well, he's a very legitimate guy, Ryan Graves is, and very intelligent. And if he's saying it's a stunt, now I'm super skeptical.
He's a hit, okay, he has a history of making controversial claims about other alien remains that have been widely discredited, widely discredited. Okay, in 2017, he participated in a TV documentary about other specimens recovered near Peruse, Nazca, lunch, which experts have said to have been concocted out of modified mummies. So one of their talking about that other thing, when they're saying that,
This is older than the one we were looking at the one we're looking at when did they find that one? When they find that that's I It said the same time. That's why I was trying to get into this and the sources aren't great It's all this is they're all coming from the same area around the same time, but they all look different Yeah, that looks super different that one looks more like the way something you'd find dead Like the way it's like even the way its legs are rotted away Like it doesn't look fake
That one video we watched or you sent me was getting more towards like they could have been found in a burial type site. That other groups used similar things. Where did they find this one though? This is the one I'm interested in. It doesn't say specific. But the fact that they did an X-ray and they show the actual fingers and toes. It looks just like real fingers and real toes with actual bones. That's crazy. Cubiform bones, the phalanx, they're consistent with looking at human hands.
Right, but it's consistent with a human hand that would have three fingers, right? It doesn't have, there's not missing digits. So you say it's genetic abnormalities, so they only have three fingers? It could be. Well, there's a group of people in Africa that have like bird feet. Have you ever seen them? No. They have toes. It's like a genetic mutation that exists and it's thought to be like a prize thing.
And these people have like two toes in their feet branch off like this. And there's a bunch of people in this village that have these feet that are like this. I forget what they call them like bird feet or I forget how they describe them. Yeah, these are the folks. So see that? Yeah. So now if you found these guys and there's not just one of them.
Substantial minority of Vodoma have a condition known as extro... You said that. You're the doctor. Ectodactyly. Ectodactyly, which means the middle three toes are absent and the two outer ones are turned in, resulting in the tribe being known as the two-toed or ostrich-footed tribe. So go to images and see what that looks like. It's really wild because there's like a bunch of them hanging out together. Look at their feet. So now, if you found a body that had those, you would say, oh, those are aliens.
No, but look at that alien if you go back to the one that was original with the eyes and the face and the size These are grays, okay? Well, it certainly looks like what I would think a gray would be correct and the fact that it doesn't have a thumb is odd too But that is also one of the things that people said about these things There's also this they always have said that they have very long fingers and you look at his fingers in relationship to the size of the body They're very long long fingers and very long toes
Yeah, I mean, so how do you account for the fact that there are multiple, you know, from the Syrians to the Egyptians to the Aztecs, Toltecs, Mayans, where they have on their on their structures, they have imagery of flying saucers, helicopters on alien, you know, there is a couple with the they look alien. I think the helicopter one
I think is a fraud. You think it's all fraud? I think that one is. I think that's photoshopped. I think it is. I'm pretty sure that's been shown. But the planes that they found that are wooden carved planes, they look like airplanes that they found in tombs. That's fascinating. They have a rudder, they have tail, they have wings, and it looks like a plane. So how do you think that is crazy? How do you account for that?
Well, I don't know what we're looking at and I think there's more to reality than we see. I have a feeling that our senses are extremely limited and that there's other dimensions that we don't have access to that might have access to us.
I don't necessarily discredit the idea of something traveling from another planet. I think we might be dealing with that too. I think we might be dealing with a bunch of different civilizations and entities that are at very different stages of evolution. So if life exists all throughout the galaxy, we know a bunch of things, right? We know that planets
have certain ages. We know that some planets are very old and some planets are much younger and we know that some planets are much closer to the sun and some planets live in a very hospitable environment. We know that some planets like ours are essentially in a shooting gallery because there's 900,000 near earth objects or more that are flying around slamming into things.
And if it wasn't for Jupiter, we'd be fucked. If it wasn't for Jupiter's enormous gravity and mass pulling everything into it, that's like basically our catcher. It catches all the shit that flies into our solar system and slams into Jupiter. And of course, the moon itself is pockmarked with
So imagine a planet that doesn't have that issue. Imagine a planet that has a different environment where there's not a bunch of shit flying around, and they think that flying around stuff is largely a part of collisions. Like planets colliding with each other in the distant past, and that's actually how Earth got formed. You got a bathroom? Yeah, go, go, go, go, go. Thanks. This is a good time. I'm investigating this stuff. Jamie's investigating. Yes, I'm excited. Why would there be... Go pee. Go pee. Come on, buddy.
Thanks. To the left. To the left. Yeah. This dude's already lit. He's had three giant glasses of whiskey. And he's 78 years old. Yeah, I got a clearer picture of that egg, too. God, I hope my brain works that good, but I'm 78. You know what I'm saying? Like that, too, just he doesn't even know any notes. He just pulling all his information out of the ether. So the guy who took him, I mean, wait, which the egg? No, no, fuck the egg. This is the nazcomami stuff. Oh, yeah.
He said he removed as many as 200 sets that remained from the cave. Some of the bodies have been smuggled out of Peru to France, Spain and Russia. An interview with Reuters, he said.
This is from what would you do 24. Let's ask this. What would you do if somebody got you one of them mummies? If someone say Jamie, give me that money that you won from Shane. Oh, look at that. Whoa. The same thing though, three toes. Yeah. Look how long the fucking toes are. I think that's where the x-ray comes from as these. Oh, it's the same guy, the McDowell guy. Oh, the same guy keeps finding him.
Yeah, it's the same people little sauce right they found about eight I think is what we're saying here And then the McDowell's father is saying they're a heart having a hard time getting them to the US to do more studies Oh, yeah, super hard. Cut the fucking shit. They're already called Elon disappearing. He'll shoot a rocket over there pick those things up quick Let me see the skull again. Have they done an x-ray the skull? Why would they do that? I had an x-ray on one of the skull. Oh Jesus Christ
Holy shit, dude. It looks like the smaller ones though. Yeah, but whatever look at the eggs What What is that like the ribs look imagine if you found out those like anal toys and they're just freaks I do believe one of these they were saying was made up of different animal parts comes it down and put a microphone on I
So we're looking at x-rays of one of them is bullshit. Look at the fucking x-rays of the skulls, man. Like you're a doctor. Look at that. That looks like real shit, right? That looks like real. Yeah. Oh, it's her real bones. Well, it's completely different. Yeah. X-ray shows it, the chavalerium, the space for the brain. What is that thing across his chest? What's that thing?
Instead of the sternum, it's their form of sternum. Yeah, I guess, right? Yeah, because sternum holds our two sides left and right together. Maybe it had surgery. Yeah, maybe surgery implant. Jesus. Yeah, maybe that's it's like neural. Where's this from?
So this is I thought I was like digging more. This is a slide. This is from this year. Look at that one. Look at that. Show that to Dr. Gordon. Look at the same thing. Different finger, the long fingers, long toes. Same thing. Three. Yeah. And real similar in the way they look.
So all these are coming out of Peru. They all came from the same area. So when you disappeared, they said they've gotten close to 200. I didn't disappear. I'm here. Well, you disappeared. I just went to the bathroom chamber. Yeah, I have a lot to go. I did disappear. I just had a pee. Come on. It's good. It's like he left you. Yeah.
Look at that x-ray of the skulls, the skeletons, though, rather. Those look real. So fascinating. Yeah, those look real. It looks very weird. This is what I was seeing too. The videographer isn't known. They don't know who shot this video.
well says the videographer behind the new footage is unknown in no small measure due to the thorny legal and ethical dimensions of handling these allegedly historical and culturally priceless ancient remains that makes sense i don't know exactly shot the video with their context clues in the longer uh... version one source who had also given uh... also been granted the tape told daily mail dot com one of the call them haqueros
who has long been involved in promotion, these Nazca mummies was convicted of assault on public monuments for taking artifacts in 2022. So if you take these artifacts, they go after you. The man received a four year suspended sentence was fined about 20,000 Peruvian souls, just 5,190 US dollars according to Reuters. A clear example of the high risk extra legal measures some have taken to seek either truth or profit from these aliens. That makes sense. So it's dangerous to pull them out. You can get in trouble.
So then I think that while I was getting too, too, was the journalist has a lawsuit. You take the Peruvian government to court, hoping to negotiate with Peru as you put it to be allowed to export the samples to be done in America. The lawsuit is already in for $300 million.
Wow, explain his pursuing monetary damages to repair his enterprise's damaged reputation, but it tends to spend the cash on a museum for the mummies and hookers. I want a Ferrari. And Dr. McDowell himself has also recently pled with Peru's government in an open letter published in one of the country's top newspapers asking for.
Official permission to study these specimens at top flight scientific facilities in the u.s.. Well, I like that I like that at least he's trying to get them if it's true that he's trying to get them studied But you imagine if you were one doctor who did find these things you would receive a tremendous mass skepticism and assholes like me like making fun of them West Hollywood yeah
Interesting stuff, man. So when you look at that as a doctor does that look like horseshit to you? Or does it look real? No, it looks real. I mean the x-rays that you were showing. You know, the fact that they came from Nazca with all those lines that I know about... In Machu Picchu. In Machu Picchu. Which is a really amazing place that they, to this day, don't really understand how they built it. Correct.
Alison went there to Machu Picchu. Yeah, so she was trying to go in the coca leaves in a candy and so forth. But I gave her a dye box. I gave her dye mocks so that she could actually dye mocks. It's the tablet you take to boost your room. Of course it's mushrooms good for that too.
There's a lot of things. This is a pharmaceutical pill. But in my mind, knowing that it's Nazca lines and the association of possible aliens and then finding these corpses coming from Nazca, you put one in one together and it makes sense. Sort of. It also makes sense that if you're going to hoax things, that's where you would hoax them. Correct. I got it. And that's skepticism that you have for it.
Well, I'm just being rational. I'm not being skeptical. I'm honestly not skeptical. I'm kind of open. So you don't believe that it's real? I don't know if it's real. Oh, yeah, I like to think it's real, but that's the problems that I really want. So what do you do? You say it's not real, but it looks real. I don't say nothing. OK, I just talk shit. Yeah.
That's what got to hear. That's what we're doing. We're just talking shit. I don't know. I'm not an expert in biology. I don't understand. I mean, the skeleton looks real to me. But what do I know? If I was going to make a fake skeleton, could I do that with a bunch of discarded bones? Maybe. What I'm skeptical about is the way the joints they extend. On the fingers. Well, not just the fingers. Yeah, but they look like ours, right? Like the same way. If you go back to that skeleton again, please. Correct. If you look at it in the x-ray, what you see is
the bones, they're formed that are very similar to the way ours are formed, where at the end of it, none of the one of the actual skeletons, Jamie? Yeah, so likely how the bones are at the top and where the joint is, that looks like how our bones are. The hinge in the joint of the elbow looks exactly like how a human is, except it's one bone instead of two, which is, let's be honest, probably a better design.
You know the two bones that little one before the little one the little one the little owner. Yeah, I broke the fibula, too. Whoa. Yeah, a small one. Yeah, the small one on the leg and check. No, kickboxing. Not even checking kick. I just we're kicking at the same time. Let's put it this way. Hit my shin. It looks suggestive. Okay. Of being something that might be real. It definitely looks suggestive of something that might be real and very unique, right? Very different than our anatomy.
And it's our prejudice that says that, oh, we're the only people here. Well, I don't think that. What do you think? I don't know. Yeah. I don't. I think there's, I think the possibility that something could be so advanced that all of our ideas of how it got here and how long it's been here are just silly.
I think we might be just like these people in the Amazon that my friend Paul Rosalie is running into. They don't know that he goes on the Joe Rogan experience and reaches 15 million people. They don't have any idea. They have no idea. So what do they see? They see some guy with clothes on. Like, what's this asshole doing? And, you know, he's out there in the Amazon. And, you know, and then he takes a picture and this is their experience with him.
is probably kind of similar to our experience, but except much more exaggerated with aliens. If you came into contact with something that's a million years more advanced than us, what would that contact be like? Are we so limited in our understanding of
How you move through the universe that we assume that everything has to use rockets and everything has to burn fuel and shoot things into defy gravity by you know by pushing against it Maybe not maybe there's much more advanced propulsion systems that exist These are the hands
They're dissecting it. Whoa. What the fuck, man? Whoa. That looks like weird bones in a hand. That's creepy.
That's so creative. Look at their skin. I mean, obviously modified, but how fucking weird. How weird. Look at the bones underneath it. That's crazy. That is so crazy. And you're gonna tell me someone put this together as a joke. Well, I don't know. I mean, I'm looking at this. I don't know who's a part of this, but when he peels that back and you see those bones again, that is fucking nuts. That's so wild.
But also, why is those bones so clear for a mummified thing? Those bones look, in my mind, they don't look mummified. They look like more recent. But what do I know? It almost looks wet. Go back to that image. Yeah, it was wet. The other thing was shiny too. Right. So is that because they put something on it? Or is that what happens when you cut that thing open?
I'm not trying to find longer videos. Oh, you know, I'm putting like distilled water on it during the process of dissecting it and dissect it. Maybe they're trying to clean off the bones and they did something to it to brush it and put water on it there. You know, whatever that is. How old did they say that that was? That's a good question. Did they carbon date it or? See, that would be the thing to do is the carbon data to find out whether or not if it's that old, then it should be petrified and therefore it shouldn't look like that.
Right. Right. Like if it's a million years old. If it's a million years old. It's only 500 years old. It's totally different story. So the way that the boat should look. Yeah. It's weird as shit. But the thing is like there's so many people that essentially make a living off of lying. They make a living off of bullshitting.
You know, there's a lot of that going on. Yeah, so religiously, I mean, look at from a religious standpoint, what's the impact of acknowledging that there are other species in extraterrestrials? What's the impact on religion here in the United States or here in the world?
depends on which religion you're talking about. I think the Vatican has been pretty open to the idea that we're not alone and that God could possibly have created other life forms. See, that's true. I'm pretty sure that's true. I think the Vatican gave a statement within the last decade or so about this.
But they probably know some shit, right? They probably have it. You've seen some of the Russian studies where they had aliens who crash in a flying saucer and they abused the aliens. Vatican astronomer says if aliens exist, they may not need redemption.
That's cool. Jesus gave them a falcon in the whole past. Let it be those who come from other planets. They may be a different life form that does not need Christ's redemption. The Vatican chief astronomer said, that makes sense. I mean, if they come from somewhere else. Difficult to exclude the possibility that other intelligent life exists in the university noted that one field of astronomy is now actively seeking biomarkers and spectrum analysis of other stars and planets. That's true. They definitely have done that.
His potential forms of life could include those that have no need of oxygen or hydrogen, he said. Just as God created multiple forms of life on earth, he said there may be diverse forms throughout the universe. That makes sense. That's an open mind to religious person. It's not in contrast with faith because we cannot place limits on the creative freedom of God. That makes sense.
Yeah, well, if you're going to be logical and be a believer in God, that's the way to do it, right? To say, look, if God exists, we just might be too limited in our understanding of the world to think that we think that God just made us, and this is it. But it might be God has made life all throughout the universe. Yeah. If you believe in God, you have to accept the fact that he's on other planets. We're not the exclusivity. Maybe God is the universe.
Well, that's what they've been saying. God is the universe. The universe is God. Yeah, which makes sense because the universe is a creative force. It makes things constantly. It's constantly making stars, there's stellar nurseries and planets. So what you take on Bigfoot these days? I think Bigfoot is mostly nonsense that is sort of a historical memory.
I think for sure we know that Gigantopithecus was a real animal that coexisted with human beings and we know that it was the what's the date of Gigantopithecus it's somewhere it's more than hundreds of thousands of years right but it just makes sense that if human beings have been around for that long and that thing's been around for that long and then
200,000 years ago, 2 million to approximately 300,000 and 200,000 years ago. So, as recently as possibly 200,000 years ago, but that's essentially based on what they found. Now, they're constantly finding new things, right? So, like, they didn't even know Denisovans were a thing, which is a new type of human.
except the gigantic ones. No, no, they're not gigantic. They're just a different, like there was Neanderthal, Homo sapon. Dennis Oven was another branch of the human tree and they didn't discover them. I want to say 2010, when did they discover Dennis Ovens?
I think they discovered them in Russia and they found them in China and so they know that there's that and then there was another species that they found recently that's even more recent that's large headed people that were they had larger heads than us that existed with us they had like big fucking eyebrows and big heads. What about that?
They're what? 17 feet tall, 16 feet tall. What's that? The gigantic humans. You know, I don't know. It's that. Here's the problem. Here's the problem. You don't know what is real. When was Dennis Ovens?
when they discover that will discuss uh... they were they live in seventy five thousand years ago but i thought i would differentiate and they were like nandruff also when they discover dennis oven fossils that's what i'm trying to figure out that it's it's one piece they found right but it was pretty recent two twenty fourteen
Yeah. You're right. There's a lot of shit that's coming on the Internet. The last thing that I was reading, and not last, but one of the things that I read was they found a bones of people that were like... Giant people. Giant people, yeah. Giant people. I've never seen any of it. I wouldn't dismiss it. You know, there's giants in the Bible. There's giants in historical record where they talk about the...
It's completely possible that if you have pygmies and you have, you know, the Hobbit people on the island of Flores. No, you didn't know about that? No, but they're hobbit. Yeah, I think they call them homo floriasis. And what these are is these little tiny ape-like humanoids that lived alongside people. I think they've dated them to 100,000 years ago.
might be earlier. At one point in time, I think they thought it was 10,000 years ago, but I think they pushed it back. But these were like another branch of the human tree, and they were really tiny, and they use tools and they hunted. And they think that, you know, that they're probably wiped out, at least partially. Yeah. Homo floresiensis. And that's what they looked like. And they lived alongside us.
So they think that might be a case of island dwarfism as well. There's a thing that happens to mammals when they're on islands where they get smaller, and weirdly enough, reptiles get larger. That's why you have Komodo dragons.
Love them. Pretty cool, right? So there's homo sapien and there's homo florists. Monster, lizards. There's like a bunch of different types of humans that existed and we were the most clever and the most vicious. We went, huh? The fittest. Yeah, and the smartest. We're the smartest. We're the ones that are the most clever. The calvarym, the size of the skull, as it got bigger.
But the thing is, these ones that they found recently, see if you can find that article, the large headed people that they found recently, another totally new branch. They're large headed, larger than ours. Same height as ours, but larger heads, probably much stronger. They're like, you know, Neanderthals far stronger than us.
Yeah. Dubbed large-headed people. Ittingmatic group once lived alongside homo sapiens in eastern Asia. According to science alert, fossilized remains unearthed from sediment layers dated about over 200,000 years ago, revealed individuals with disproportionately large cranial volumes. So click on that with images. September 2024.