#2248 - Michael Waddell

What's going on my man Joe is that big foot on your shirt says that is it is Bigfoot non-vegan

How do they know Bigfoot's not a vegan? See, I don't know. I mean, but I think he's got canines like us, so there's a good chance that he does eat meat. I think hunters are the number one argument against Bigfoot being real. I've never met a hunter who's seen Bigfoot.

No, in his mouth, especially some of your guests you've had on, and on top of, I mean, even myself, and now you spend a lot of times in some pretty desolate places. Yeah. In all the trail cameras, we should have gotten one picture. Yeah, trail cameras throw a big monkey wrench into that Bigfoot thing. I agree, and I'm always, it's still, you know, the conspiracy that I'm still every time I check, especially when you're getting those deep, dark places out west and all throughout the country and even the south, I'm thinking, maybe just this time.

It would be fun. It would be fun, but it's just, it's very unlikely. There's only like two Jaguars in the United States and they know exactly where they are.

Well, that's exactly right. I was thinking back and even listening, you know, like you've had Renella, of course, Cam, a lot of my hunting buddies and people I look up to as well, Remi Warren, all those guys. And you start thinking about the amount of time we spend in the woods, and we don't even see a mountain lion. All right. You talk about the wolves. All these wolves are starting to be reintroduced, and you still don't see them a lot of times. They're there.

But then again, you capture them on trail cameras, you know, in the middle of the night, but yet Yeti or Sasquatch, only Jack Link's beef jerky has seen him. I saw him on the Super Bowl commercial. Yeah, they're in a lot of commercials, they're in movies. I think they used to be real. I think it used to be a real thing. I mean, they know there's a thing called the Gigantopithecus that lived somewhere around a hundred thousand years ago. There was a bipedal hominid that was eight to 10 feet tall. Holy cow. Look, in the Rangutan family, I think they believe it was.

That'd be something to get Graham Hancock on. We need to get him back to find that creature. He's busy with a lot of other shit. It's like just trying to sort out the past, trying to sort out human history. That was some of the most intriguing. I was dug deep into that and then went because of hearing him on the podcast and went and watched, just finished season two, watched season one soon after I'd seen him here first. It's pretty compelling.

It's pretty amazingly compelling. Yeah. Well, once you realize, first of all, that there's real physical evidence that something happened around 11,800 years ago, that the Earth was most likely pounded with asteroid debris.

And it probably fuck civilization up pretty bad and it can happen again. Makes complete sense. I mean, here in his perspective on it and how he researched it, and it's from the standpoint, there's, as we know, politics and everything gets involved in everything. And it's just almost like he was a journalistic, really smart intellectual guy who was intrigued.

It's just a good approach to where he studied it to me that made it even more compelling. And then the findings he did find, I don't know, I was very intrigued. You know how he really got into it? No. He got into it researching the Ark of the Covenant. Really? Yeah, because in Ethiopia, there's a specific church in Ethiopia that has always been rumored to be the place where the Ark of the Covenant is stored.

And there's these garters of this, these people that are guards of this area, and they all develop cataracts, they all have like radiation poisoning, and they're guarding this one particular area. They won't let anybody look at it, they won't let anybody talk about it, and Graham got fascinated by this.

And they started doing a deep dive into history and historical accounts of the covenant and the ark and all these bizarre stories that have lasted throughout history. And the real evidence that there was really sophisticated societies that lived thousands and thousands of years ago when we kind of assumed that people were hunters and gatherers. Egypt is a great example of that. Whatever they were doing there was

fucking insane. Right. I mean, the structures that they made still today, we look at them and go, what the hell were you guys doing? Like, yeah, how is this made? Yeah. And he believes that society had reached a very, very sophisticated level of technological achievement. And then something happened. And now we're, we're living in like a rebuild, even though we're very sophisticated, you know, in terms of technology, our technology's gone in a completely different direction than theirs did.

And where did Graham ever, in his conclusion, in some of that about the covenant, did he ever think that it's still there? I think it's still there, yeah. So some people thought it might have burned up in Jerusalem, I think it was. See if you can find where that is, Jamie. It's supposed to be in some church and James already got it. I just had watched something on that because I'm intrigued by all that kind of stuff.

Well, you know, when you really start digging deep into it, it's very fascinating. This one particular place has been protected for so long and all these people that have supposedly seen it describe something that's, you know, Trump apparently has like a model of the Ark of the Covenant in Mar-a-Lago.

No way. Yeah, see if you can find that. Yeah, he's got like a recreation of the Ark of the Covenant. And yeah, and that whole covenant was pretty cool based on how, you know, God had said, look, it, you know, had an interview saying this is how big it's got to be. It was built out of a certain wood inside and out gold. The handles, everything was there to hold the commandments. And then I, but then, but then I saw something to where I don't know if Jamie,

Jamie and Mike could probably pull it up, but I, to where some people speculate it could be under the Catholic church. I heard that. Like in the Vatican or something. In the Vatican. Yeah. And then, and then. You got a lot of shit in the Vatican. Oh my goodness. Have you ever been there? No, I haven't. But I heard you talk about, you went and had the guy and said it was amazing. It's incredible. They have so much, they have billions of dollars in art. Like, where'd you guys steal all this from?

It's back in the Roman days. Look at this. This is Trump's replica of the Ark of the Covenant at Mar-a-Lago. That's just like pretty fucking wild. And it's almost exactly the replica of what it's assumed to have been looked like. Well, I mean, I think that's a recreation based on biblical accounts. Absolutely. Very strange. Well, maybe Trump can take us to show it to us, man. That'd be cool. Would you say, Jamie? I was trying to figure out if, I mean, clearly it was there. It might have just been there temporarily. It looks like that.

might be like on display and is there something I don't know. So it's a replica that travels around, so what it is? Oh, I imagine. Temporarily, is that more or longer? I can't find that it lives there, but there's definitely obviously people with pictures of it. Bro, if I had Trump money, I'd have one built. Oh, why not? Come on. I would too. I would too. It's a cool thing to have on display. I mean, I wonder what it was. I mean, if these guys really are guarding it in Ethiopia, what is the radiation from? Why do they all get developing cataracts and radiation sickness?

And we've all watched Harrison Ford try to find it. Exactly. Exactly. It's so fun. It is fun. All that ancient civilization stuff is so fun because it is really kind of a mystery, you know, and it's fascinating when, and I'm sure you've been hunting before and you found our arrowheads.

Yes, a lot. When you find one of those, you're picking up this piece of history. You got to imagine some Native American was napping this flint on his knee, sitting there. Who knows how many thousands of years ago? Exactly. They find 3,000, 4,000 year old arrowheads. And you just got to go, God, what was life like that, man?

Oh, I can only imagine, and like where I'm from in Georgia, and obviously you and I both love archery, but all the arheads I find are quartz. So we have very little flint, and I'm not at all historically sound on understanding everything. I mean, I got friends, actually Jeff Foxworthy is one of those guys. He lives right down the road. He is obsessed with Indian artifacts and has an amazing collection. Like goes across the country. You know, it's hard, you can call Jeff right now, you probably can't get him to Austin to come do this.

Podcast but then all you got to do is tell them hey man. I just plowed up a field and it rained and we just found two nice flint heads He'd probably be here tomorrow. I mean he loves it. He's eat up with it This is a dude. I know as a ranch out here, and he finds them all the time It's Comanche territory where his ranches in the whole country and he every day go to that guy's page Whitworth JW Whitworth Jm Whitworth JW Whitworth please JW

But he's got incredible arrowheads that he's like just obsessed with finding them on this ranch. And this ranch apparently was just overrun by the Comanche. It's very fertile and rich and soil is great and a lot of water habitat, a lot of deer. And so they must have just camped there and lived there for a long time. It's JM, but it's JM. Oh, it is. Oh, he's private now? That's probably because we blew him up.

I think that's when he went private because he didn't used to be private, but that's some of the things that he finds. See, that's amazingly beautiful stuff. He sent me a couple of them. There's a company I found, actually, I was in Illinois at this, it was a beer and deer fest in Illinois, and I went by this booth. See, that is absolutely gorgeous. Yeah, Remy said that that was probably used for fishing. Very well, because it's so large, you said it's probably used to shoot fish.

it seems it seems that a lot of the the airheads are you know the ones that was actually attached to shoot with archery were a lot smaller like you know some people might argue that I don't know enough about it like is it a spearhead I found some heads like look at this I found like well that's a spearhead or that's this or that you find somebody like Remy or I got a friend named Ike Rainey who's really

big into artifacts. And if you find something, what you think it is, it's kind of like the first time I hunted in Africa, I thought I'd shot a spring buck or a die, I thought I shot a dyker and it turned out it was a spring buck. It's like, Oh, okay. There's only 7,000 species of animals out here. So I think arid heads are the same way. It's just, it's amazing. But to think you're right. I mean, think of somebody set down thousands and thousands of years and nap that out. And how many times did they not get it right? You can say that's perfect.

Yeah, they probably had to do a lot of them. A lot of them probably broke off wrong. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's probably not a very good success rate, especially when you work with Flint. Yeah. And it's chipping away at it. But when they get good at it, it's such an art. Yeah. And look, when you pick one up, like a real Flint Arrowhead guy, so there's a lot of guys that make them now though, unfortunately. So there's a lot of forgeries.

Correct. Yeah, a lot of nerds, a lot of archery nerds, they get real good at it and then just leave them scattered around places or pretend they found them. Exactly. You could do that. Just almost, yeah. You totally could do that, but that's a legit one that was actually pulled out of the ground. It makes me less wine when, you know, like if you're out in Utah and you have success in Elk Woods in your

butchering an elk and trying to get them packed out when you're just having a re-sharp in your knife. It's like, at least I can do is re-sharp in this knife. These guys had to nap out ahead. I mean, how long did that take just to go hunt an elk? Yeah, they lived for thousands of years with no metal.

Oh, I know. I tell you something is interesting. We hung in a place in Montana where it was on the milk river and they had what they called a buffalo drop on this property. Oh, I know. And so if you went to where this buffalo drop was, you could go to the base of it and you could find, there's not, there wasn't any much left now. We used to hunt back in the day. Mostly in the, I hadn't been since 2000. I think it was seven or 2010 was the last time I had went out there.

But at the base of that, you used to find all kind of bones, you know, bison bones, you know, buffalo and stuff. But you would sometimes find these little tiny heads and they didn't look like this, which is interesting what Remy brought up. Maybe that was for fishing or something. I don't know. But all the heads we would find would be tiny little, almost like bird points is what I felt like I wanted to call them. I heard them call before.

And supposedly what they did was is they didn't necessarily weren't trying to kill the buffalo. They would hurt them and they would just kind of pick them with the arrows and then they would run the buffalo off of this cliff. And so it basically died coming off the cliff. And it was so cool across the valley you could still see all those stone rings to where

Supposedly the ladies or the squaws would sit there and look back and soon as the men basically had you know, whatever amount of buffalo I guess over the drop they would come and butcher and the man would go back and you know smoke to peace pipe and relax so uh

Times have changed a lot. I thought that was interesting about this one site where they had a buffalo drop and the pile of buffalo was so large and there was so much decay that it actually created a fire. It started on fire because they're all just rotting and fermenting and it's some sort of combustion.

And so the entire side of the cliff was black from these buffalo falling off of this place rotting and then come across the tree. Created a fire. Yeah. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's how that would work. I don't either, but I do know that those buffalo drops do exist and it's pretty fascinating. And the place where we're hunting is a private landowner. He was a rancher, had some cows.

He was very funny. He did not want us to video on any of our episodes or anything to do and back then we were video and I was working with Bill Jordan and we had a show on T&N back in the day and he's like, do not bring your cameras. I don't want any TV cameras around here because they'll come and

All of a sudden, they'll set this up as a historical site and I'll have it. So he was really funny about it. So I don't even, I didn't even take a lot of pictures of it cause I was always like, hey, you know, this guy didn't want us to take any pictures and talk about it. But man, every time I'd come back, you know, for morning hunt or we'd go scout, I'd come back and like, man, I wanna go to Buffalo drop. Like, you know, it's like a little kid, like a little 10 year old kid boy scout and like, look at this, here's a head or here's a Buffalo horn or skull and most of everything that would have been there

had already been picked through because it's right off kind of a county road. And so most of the locals are new about it. And of course, you know, he's had kids and grandkids, just kind of rummaged through it. But it was pretty interesting. But every time you'd go, you'd find something. So it was really interesting. It just just really stretches your mind and your imagination to imagine living like that back then.

and that these people, while Rome was being built, the Colosseum, Europe, all these different places in the world, these people were living the same way people lived tens of thousands years ago right here.

It's crazy, and now it seems like we're so far removed from it, but yet as we talk about it, that romance hadn't left, and even getting the chance to chase a bull elk, there's still some amazing rule of wild places out there that we can kind of revisit. And that was the first thing I noticed is all the Native American pictures you had. I hunt a lot with Native Americans, a lot with the Navajo Nation. I've become like family, or they become like family to me. I go out there every year,

the resources they have, you know, I know cam hunts a lot, you know, as a to musculero in different, different places. And I don't know man. And even sadly, even amongst the native, some of that culture is being lost with them more. And so we even go out every year and do a hunt with their kids. We take 15 to 20 Navajo youth hunting every year out there.

with the Navajo Game and Fish. They have a lot of mentors, Gloria Tom, who she's just stepping down, but she was the kind of in charge out there. And we would go and work with people like Jeff Cole and that whole Navajo nation, the families, and we'd take just their kids.

the kids of the Navajo Nation hunting. And sadly enough, they're like a lot of kids in America eating little dabbies and playing Xbox. It's like, man, you got 17 billion acres in your backyard. Come on, bro. You're supposed to be the damn eagle. You got to fly and dip down. I'm even out here at your room. And me too, I have all kind of Native Americans. My heroes were Native American hunters, like Ishi, who taught Pope and Jung how to

Bo Hunt he's got a really yeah issue out of California. I think he he come back and and He basically taught those guys who are doctors He introduced them to to Bo honey and then Pope and Young as we kill a ilk. We think oh is he big enough to go Pope and Young? Well explaining people what Pope and Young is for people don't know what we're talking about. Pope and Young is um

So basically, Pope and Young were two guys that basically just kind of revolutionized archery as we know it a lot of times. I mean, obviously, you're throwing around names. You got to talk about Fred Baer, stuff like that. But prior to that, there was an Indian named Ishi out of a California tribe. And I'm not good enough at remembering exactly what tribe that was. But there's a lot of cool information that you can read. Obviously, if you ever get your hands on Saxon Pope and Arthur Young, any books, it's fascinating. Like my favorite book of all time is called The Vittress Bowman.

a friend of mine, Jeff Johnson, who's a writer, gave it to me. And I read it all the time. And even my kid, I read him that book at night, you know, and this talks about their first venture into Africa. And when they went there, when they hunted Grizzly, when they hunted Elk the first time. And so these guys were kind of based on what I can assume seem to be pretty much city slickers who had basically a patient called Ishi who taught them how to hunt. And pictures of him, you can still see him. He looks like he's dressed at a Ted Nugent concert in 1969, you know?

jumping off the amps. And so now that's become similar to Boone and Crockett. Pope and Young is an organization that's formed around celebrating certain animals that are trophy aspect. And if you get a white tildeer that nets 125 inches on the Pope and Young scale, you can enter them into the

Pope and Young record books in every category of species like ilk bear caribou move so on so forth has that and so it's just kind of to celebrate a lot of the heritage of archery and so Pope and Young a lot of people won't know it but that that basically is the basis of what it come from but it starts back to guess what a Native American these arrowheads

they passed it on. And so now we're kind of carrying on that same tradition. And so as a student of the game, it's like, it's so cool to talk about it. There they are. Oh, look at that. Yeah. Wow. Look at that. That's cool. Is there any, can you find, Jamie, is that issue? Is she in Saxton Poper? There's issue there. Oh wow. Can you imagine? Look at that. You're learning from the source.

Yeah. I mean, they, and there's so many amazing stores. What year was this? Man, I don't even know. It had to been in the, I don't know, was it 20s? Or maybe, maybe, maybe 1900. I know it was early. You know, it's fascinating when you think about what we enjoy. We enjoy our tradition. 1912. 1912. So that guy, you know, that, that is like, he was alive in the 1800s.

Absolutely. So he was doing that. That's literally from the source. And there's another thing, and it's crazy to think about this. Another thing I read and heard told, because obviously you travel around, and it's always trying to figure out what's a factor fiction, but I'd listen to Casey Means on this podcast. We're talking about our food. Supposedly, is she who come in, who is actually living very primitive

but come in and once he started hanging around and got westernized, quickly got fat because I don't know if a little Debbie's is around then? No. It's the only thing I hated about the whole case you meet. That whole podcast was like, man, I used to love a good oatmeal pie. Now I'm sitting there like, I don't know that glass of milk. Should I even partake? But I think he gained a lot of weight and started getting a lot sicker. And the food back then was so much better than the food we have now. Yeah. Just around a lot of people and all of a sudden he was trying to fight

probably viruses and diseases and getting an abundance of a certain food you weren't used to. And suppose I think you got a little heavier and less healthy just being around. Probably a lot of grains and sugar. Probably, I'm sure. He's probably eating mostly meat before that. Probably so. Just a fish out of the creek and backstrap out of a meal deer. The way everybody did for thousands of years.

It's just so interesting that if it wasn't for guys like Pope and Young and Fred Bear, I mean, how many people were evangelizing bow hunting back then? I mean, how many people were making it something that was, because as soon as rifles came along, the way everybody looked at it was, oh, rifles are better. You can shoot something further. It's easier to hunt with rifles.

But to make that choice, this decision that there's something more connected, more spiritual about archery and bow hunting, if it wasn't for those people that were promoting it, people like Fred Baer, who was so, he was so articulate in the way he would describe things and the way he would describe

the benefits of just archery practice about how archery just removes your cares. Like if you could just concentrate on that target and just practice archery, it cleans your mind. And I find that today. I do too. It's almost like...

You go back in time every time, even though we pick up these new white bows, you're like, oh my God, look at the technology. It's a lot more accurate. It is so much more accurate. And so, yeah, it's amazing. And you're just exactly right. It is spiritual and to think back of where it was to where it is. But then you think about the rifles and the technology we have there. But keep in mind, I'm sure, you know, and those people who are really hunting for substance,

Absolutely. If we leave tomorrow and we can't go and get us a nice steak dinner, or we can't go to the grocery store and buy us some chicken or ribeye, whatever it is we decide to eat. Well, absolutely. If we're like, hey, Joe, your wife and my wife is wanting us to kill a few squirrels and we can have squirrels and gravy and my wife makes some good biscuits.

Well, let's leave the Hoyts at home. Let's take a 22 and a 410. Let's just go get us a mess of squirrel. And so I think probably they looked at it that way. And once that came about, and then it slowly becomes somewhat of a, I hate to even say it as a sport, because I don't look at it as a sport as a culture. I think it's a discipline.

It's a discipline, but I think to know that we're still going back and celebrating that and still talking about issue and poking young and the Fred Bears and what they set forth and even people like Chuck Adams, who was always one of my heroes. You know, Cam and I were talking a lot about that in Texas.

Golly Chuck Adams was hunting these elk and always had that little green beanie shot those double X 78 arrows and man you know what nobody is like you know all the kids and even me you know I was this little chubby white kid that thought if I bought Air Jordan's I could jump higher and Michael lied to me man.

You're a liar, Jordan. I can't jump any faster. I can't run any faster. But, you know, Chuck, when I saw those arrows and I'd see that bow, I'd like, man, I gotta have that. I want to be like Chuck. You know, I want to be like Fred Bear. And so it's just amazing to see and to see that we still are celebrating it. So it's really... Yeah. Well, it has a very deep connection to the human mind.

There's something about archery that I think it's because as human beings evolved, we developed the bow and arrow, they invented it, they refined it, and that was how people hunted and got their food. I think there's a genetic memory of that that's inside of our heads, because there's something eerily satisfying about hitting a target with an arrow.

It's so much different than anything. I like practicing shooting rifles. I've hunted with rifles. I like it. I like it. It's great. Same here. It's not the same. It's not the same. It's like a 10-fold different. Yeah, it really is amazing. If I go rifle hunting, I love it. I absolutely love it. Still love the whole culture of it. I grew up in Georgia where

I mean, people were on these leases. You know, it'd be a mead property, which was Timberland or Georgia Power lease. There'd be 10 of us on 500 acres or sometimes more than that. And so, you know, everybody took a 30 off six Remington semi-automatic, you know, a scope on it with over and under sites and we didn't meet up at Uncle Morgan's barn, me and my dad and Scott Steiner, my uncle Tommy and uncle Jeff and

Where are you going? Like, hey, I think I'm going to go to the boat seat. You know, I'm going to holler one. Nobody talked about winning or nothing. And it was just a bunch of old guys high five. And then we would walk back there and hunt with a rifle. And as soon as you heard a rifle shot, like that was Uncle Tommy. I bet you he's got a big one, you know, and so it was just so amazing that part of it. So I still go back and do that.

from a culture standpoint to feel just that feeling and vibe of being standing there in a pair of Kmart boots with some old walls coveralls draped over with them old white long handles, you know, that we thought we could go to an arca end in reality. It was just some cotton that once soon as it got wet, she froze to death.

And just the thought of that of being literally, in my time, 11, 12 years old, just being one of the men with a 30 alt-6 on my shoulder, climbing up in a pine tree in a tree stand, built out of leftover lumber from my dad's construction job. That was the most unsafe thing in the world. A lot of people got hurt following all those things. And I remember we got our first bow, my dad and I.

My dad had an old brown and bow and he had a couple of little recurs when I was young and he pecked around with him and then I remember I was 13 and I was working him on a job site and that's what at my summer job my dad was a carpenter and so I'd go work and man he worked cornbread hell out of me too you know just to show me how to be accountable and just what it was like to work and he paid me two dollars an hour so he said you need to pick out something as a goal figure out what you need to save you money for you don't even blow it on something stupid and I said well I don't know

And, um, and at the time, some of my buddies, we were saving up wanting skateboards. Well, at the time we lived on a dirt road. So I'm like, what am I going to do with a skateboard? You know, I, I was like, I can't, I got to go into the city to use a skateboard. So my buddy Jackson Bishop, we called him Boo. He lived in the city and we hunted together. He said, I'm behind me. He said, he was working with my dad and I too. And he ended up saving his money and bought him a really cool

skateboard. I remember he built it and went and had posters of it. Well, I ended up deciding that I need to get me a bow and arrow. So I went and bought me a Martin Pro Eliminator bow from Big Buck Trading Post. Pay $200 for that sucker. Was that a compound bow? It was a compound bow. What year did compound bows get invented?

It would have had to been, I would say in the 70s, I mean, the first I remember was talking about Fred Baer, the old whitetail hunter, and then you had the whitetail hunter too and stuff like that. And then I know Brownin came on pretty soon in that. And then obviously you had Hoyt that was in there. Does it even have sites back then?

We had like a pen site. It was like a bracket and it has had this kind of rudimentary site that you could scroll in and out. But there's no rangefinders, right? There were no rangefinders. Is that it right there? Look at that. The original compound. Look at that. Up to 50% more speed and penetration. That was 66. So I felt like this would have been in the 80s because I'm 66 because I feel like

Wow, that's wild. Price solo, hunters can't afford to be without one. The way they used to market things back there is so funny. I know I love to see those old field and stream and outdoor life magic. Yeah, it's just, I mean, it's a window into a different time. Look at that. Can you imagine taking that to Utah to chase an elk in the mountains?

Oh my God, you got to be so close. Cameron wouldn't even have to tote out of a buck on his shoulders. He could just tote that around, probably be as heavy as a whitetail. How heavy is that thing? Look at it, all the metal, all the components. Like what kind of feet per second are you getting out of that sucker? What is it? Oh, look at this. 1926. Arthur Young, bow hunting. It's a grizzly here. They said it's a grizzly. Wow. Look at it. Super close. Holy cow. I've never seen this, Jamie. Thanks for pulling this up. This is so cool.

Holy smokes. I bet they didn't have to buy a license. I bet they just went hunting too. Oh yeah. I bet there was no licenses back then. I mean, when did they? All right. He hit him somewhere. Yeah. It shows it follows it up here. But I mean, to film this is even crazy because this is 1926. Right. Wow.

You gotta be so close with that shitty bow. No doubt. And man, I tell you what, man, intriguing. Like those guys right there, there are books that they wrote. If you wrote those same books now, like if you and I went on a hunt and we said, hey, you know, let's just write an article and present it to Outdoor Life and publish it just as we saw it, which is so cool about what we do here is having chance conversation and kind of air out anything and everything.

Obviously culture has changed the world. I mean these podcasts, but back then you know you had articles Well, they'd write these books and it would be so like I would read it sometimes the same page two or three times It'd be like you know Saxon Pope talking about Arthur young tonight. Yes, I found out I think it's too far 70 yards is too far to shoot at a Cape Buffalo I put three arrows in him. He didn't seem hurt. I got two in the rump one in the neck and you're like oh

They didn't edit this out. It's almost like me and you hunting squirrel. Like, man, I'll tell you what, I don't like him pellets. It's just not those pellets and that air rifle or not. I'm just not knocking the squirrels down good enough. Like, oh, you wasn't supposed to put that. Can you edit that out? They were just like, okay, let's put this in a book and let's sell it. Let's put pioneers.

They were learning. They were learning how to do it. But you imagine how you get crucified sometimes for the people who don't understand hunting, eat an ethically hunting and make a good ethical shot where there's a bow or an arrow or a rifle. And back then they were like, all right, let's go try to hunt some African lines. I don't know what it's going to take to kill them, but we'll see. They were just experimenting. Experimenting. And they took a boat over. Think about, I mean,

I mean, I want to go to, I've been to Africa quite a few times. How long does it take to get to Africa in a boat? It was taking a month to get over there. And they would take a whole ship. And I think they, I forget, I don't want to say it because it could be inaccurate historically, but I want to say they was taking 40, 50 bows, these recurs and like,

just tubs and tubs of arrows. I mean, just because they were just launching them. It's like they had more freakin' arrows than PD had baby oil. I mean, it sounds like it's like, man, how many arrows can you fit on this boat? Like, well, shit. Well, they probably knew they weren't going to get any over there. And they're probably making them themselves.

And I think it documents that it talks about like, look, if our bows tear up or in this experimental process, we might need a little stronger bows. So, you know, I mean, sometimes very rarely I even do this, I'll go to a pretty desolate place. I'll take one bow, very rarely I take two bows. I used to think it'd be beneficial, but then I started realizing many things are so dependable. I don't need it. Maybe I take a bow press or an extra cable or an extra string or setup, but I mean, they just had to take everything. And they really didn't know.

That's such a commitment to adventure. Get on a boat with a bunch of bows and a tub of arrows. I mean, how do you tell your wife that too? Exactly. Can you imagine? I can't imagine now that, you know, Joe and I plan a hunt trip here and you go home and say, hey, man, just, you know, what, I was talking and me, him and Cam are thinking about running the hunt hogs. Well, how long are you going to be going? You know, it's Christmas time. It's like, well, uh, two days.

You know, we're just going to drive down or fly over here. Do they? Can you imagine? Hey, baby, I think I'm going to Africa and we're going to try to hunt some line. We don't know what's going to happen. Six, seven months. Yeah, I'll be back next year. I want to go hunt lions with a pointy stick. Exactly. I should be back. I don't. Not sure what it takes to kill one.

No internet, no, no. I mean, nothing. How do you even research? How are you learning form and technique? Yeah. You just have to practice and then eventually figure out, well, I held my elbow this way. It seemed to be better than this way. I'll just tweak it. And even the civil unrest, imagine this. I mean, I hear people talk about hunting and the dangers of

Potential rogue wildlife, but I've never been that you know grew up real country So I never had any fear of any animals, you know Matter of fact if I was bear hunting and I thought you know somebody said hey man bears love pork chops You walk through Alaska with a pork chop Randy Nick might get a better chance get a shot of like wood

Well, hell, you reckon they'll come? Let's try it. I want to shot it one. But think of the civil unrest. I've always been a... I went to Zimbabwe one time, me and Nick Mutt and several of my buddies, we went over there to Zimbabwe and it just happened to be when Mugabe was rerunning. And so he had a political opponent. And so just when we think,

people listen to this, that, you know, politics in America are crazy. Well, guess what? Somebody was running against Mugabe. So did they debate it on a podcast or you talk about it on CNN? No, Mugabe just went and killed the guy who was running against like, okay, I win. You know, so we end the story. And so the internet was shut down. And so I remember being over there and like, man, I'm kind of scared, not of an elephant or a line. I'm like,

What is this? I don't have a phone, I don't have internet, I have no way to talk to my family. I don't have any, and my money got stolen. I was the idiot who went over there like with my backpack with cash and like, you know, a bank envelope, everything that you read. Like, okay, I'm an idiot. So I go to, I go to take some money to, to, we were talking about going fishing on the Zambezi River and,

So anyways, I'm gonna get a little money. I'm gonna tip this guy if I go fishing like dude, where's my money? And it was all gone So I don't know if it was between where I land in the South Africa somewhere in my room I don't know where but all of my money and And I think I had about seven thousand dollars cash which which for me That was a lot of money like I mean I was

Devastated not only I lose the money. It's like I didn't have money to lose like that But now I'm like, what am I going to do? And so they take me over to Botswana and I get some pool is from an ATM because it's a little more westernized But I remember calling calling home is like man We ain't in Kansas no more this ain't a whitetail hunt and in my mind. I'm so singled in

on the adventure and thinking of Saxton, you know, Pope and Young and all these guys. And I forget, like, wait a minute, there's people dying and starving over here. And I'm just over here trying to maybe find a Kate Buffalo or a GIMS buck or something. And that's where I learned a lot in my young travel of just

What's out there in the world? Do you ever watch Pedro and Puro's videos? No, no. Jamie, I'll send it to you. He's a fascinating dude from Spain, and he travels everywhere to Bohunt, everywhere. Oh, I can already tell. I'd love that. Oh, you'd love it. He's great, too. His hunting adventures are really interesting, but he goes all over the place. I love that. He goes to, like, Tajikistan and places. Holy cow. There he is.

Look at that. You can tell. He's a super, super, super dedicated bow hunter and travels to Greenland. He was in Greenland with Remy. They were hunting together. His stuff, Pedro's videos are really, really well done. He's such a likable guy that it's a good introduction to people that don't even understand why anybody would be interested in bow hunting because you realize this guy is

He's as much fascinated by the adventure of it all than as he is even the hunting aspect of it. Like he really enjoys being in these very different cultures and very different parts of the world. Like he hunted elk and Mongolia. Wow. Mongolia has a large elk population. I didn't know that.

But it's really funny because everybody goes there to hunt, hunts with a rifle. And so all the guides who, you know, speak Mongolian, like they're like, what the fuck is this guy doing with his bow? This is stupid. Like, don't shoot it. He's like, I can't shoot it. It's 98 yards away. You know, like we have to get closer. It's like, just shoot it. Yeah, just shoot it. Shoot it. Kill it. Let's get out of here. We've been here for fucking three days. Like they're tired of it, but this dude's got a really fucking great channel and a ton of videos. I mean, he's been doing this for like,

making these videos for like 10, 15 years. I'm definitely going to subscribe to that. I don't even see the buffalo. Where's the buffalo? Is that? Oh, it's a Muflon. Oh, that's a Muflon sheep. Oh, you went to get this video. Go to the Mongolia elk hunt, because it's so fascinating. They stayed in a yurt, so they stayed in one of those felt tents like Genghis Khan used to live in, and they traveled in the woods, and it looks like you're in Wyoming. It looks like you're in Idaho.

then your ex always wonder if that's what missy elia was wrapping about your pair of mission around here but if you scroll further ahead you can see some of the footage uh... all this is uh... ibex and mongolia that uh... hot to google uh... it's not that search uh... elk in uh... mongolia

He's got, I mean, he's got tons and tons. There it is right there. See, World Record helps right there. Second row, that one, bam. Yeah, that's in Mongolia. See, that's, to me, so fast. Man, they're crazy. Like, look at that. That looks like you could be in Utah. Absolutely. And they just totally didn't understand why he was using a bow. Because his dad was there, his dad hunted with a rifle. Right. And he's successful and, you know, he's getting close.

Those look like just your basic Rocky Mountain species. I don't even know how they got there. I don't know if they were always there. I don't know if they were introduced. I really don't know. And that's what they're standing. I did not even know that they were elk in Mongolia.

Yeah, I didn't either until I saw this video. Know what I'd be known you could hunt there. And I think that's what people don't realize living in America. Yeah. We can hunt. I mean, go do that in China. Get hungry in China and decide you want to go get you a mess of rabbit and squirrel. Well, they might not be done and you can't legally hunt. You can't legally hunt in China? Not in China. Not at all. There's several states. You can't even bow hunting in the UK.

I know, isn't that crazy? I mean, I don't know if that goes back to Robin Longstride, or I think some of it does, a lot of the folklore, because that was a poaching tool under the king's property. You could do it, you could poach with a bow and arrow. Well, that's what people don't understand. The Robin Hood was not about stealing money. It was about using the king's land to hunt animals. Correct. Because people were starving, and the king had all these animals, and you weren't allowed to hunt them. You couldn't. So Robin Hood was like, this is bullshit. Like, yeah, I'd take this bow and arrow. Let's go eat. There's stag out here. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm always the more I travel, like seeing this that Pedro has done. I hadn't done that extensive of traveling. And I've never, if it ends with a stand, I just stay out of it. Yeah, I mean, and these extra Z's in the middle of the war. Yeah, man, that's like, yeah, I try to. Yeah, but Pedro goes everywhere. His, I can't recommend his show enough. It's so good. It's in. I want to check that out late night when I want to chill when I'm at home. I come home from the comedy club. I'll throw on some of his videos. Check out Pedro. Chill out. I wonder if you've ever heard of this. What is that?

I was looking at the initial books coming out of hunting trips to Africa and... Dingo neck? Multiple people said they saw this. One guy said he even shot one. In Africa they saw it? How long ago was this? 1907 I think. What the fuck? Do they have a photo of it? It obviously might even be a real thing, but the descriptions of it were backed up by multiple people.

Huh? A carnivore that chose to hunt or devour nearly whatever it wants to save for elephants. Holy cow. It had tusks. Dog-headed beastfish. What? I don't even think Jim Schocke's hunted one of them. Where did you find this, Jamie? Literally. I'm looking at all these history books about like different expeditions. And this was one from 1908. They went to look for some certain things. They encountered this in Lake Victoria. Huh?

I mean, it's probably not real, but maybe it is. But it seems like it is. I want to believe by Lake Victoria, when asked Bronson's own hunting party provided nearly identical descriptions of the creature, the title is referenced to the author having been given special permission to hunt the closed territory of Lolita, Masai, Kisi, and Sotik. Wow, what the hell was that? Just looking at that.

Very strange. It looks different in a bunch of the drawings, though. Sure. I mean, they don't have. Right. Picture, I guess. But like, remember when we were showing those ancient pictures of what a whale looked like to people? They'd never seen a whale before and it had wings and a lion's head. So as fascinating on all that, those paintings. I'm just wondering what it could be. And engravings, kind of some of it, you can see, like, OK, we still have some of those animals that look that way. And then some kind of looks kind of mystical. I haven't seen the ones that cave pennies where it's like a stegosaurus.

How did you know what that looked like? Exactly. They didn't Google it. Right. Would they are a few laying around? I mean, a wonder. I'm so intrigued by that. I think I'm more intrigued with it hunting and traveling and being in these places. We went down

I love the turkey hunt. I love the turkey hunt. Matter of fact, I'm, I'm, I'm going to do everything in my power and every, anybody listens this ever, even ever knew my name knows everybody's like, dude, you got to get cam and Rogan to go turkey hunt. I went turkey hunt once. Did you really? I went with Renella. He did you really? Renella, dude. Yeah. It was fun. Yeah. He's fun. I love turkey hunt and I just love it. And that's how I kind of broke into the industry. It's definitely a superior turkey to eat.

Whew, they are. They're delicious. They are delicious to eat. But anyway, with that said, we were down right out of the Yucatan Peninsula hunt and isolated turkeys, which is a different species. You can hunt all these turkeys and get different slams. Yeah, I think Renella's got the slam. Yeah, Renella's done it. And so I went down there with actually Troy Link of Jack Link's jerky and he's a big hunter. So we all went down there kind of for the adventure and to say, yeah, we hunted the jungles.

And dude, amazing. You know, you got all that Mayan civilization and all this stuff that I saw, even Graham Hancock. But what people don't realize, we're out in the middle of this jungle and I'm walking around. And the guy I'm with, he don't know English. And I'm like, in co-installing our producer, he's standing there and I was like, dude, this is up.

This is one of those pyramids, like we're walking up and I'm trying to figure out if I can hint call, because nobody had ever figured out if you can hint call to these oscillator turkeys. I get to looking around and so finally I'm tapping this guide on the shoulder and I'm like, bro, you know, my end? He said, oh, see, see? And I'm like, there's so many of those structures out there. And we're out there hunting turkeys. They don't think nothing about it. It's kind of like us walking around out in the middle of the woods in Georgia and finding an old whale. They know we're in tree. They're like, oh yeah, they're everywhere.

So I only knew about the ones that was on the postcards, you know, that you go in. Yeah, when you're out there having a corona on the beach and somebody kind of sell you and graven to your wife and some, you know, ring or something, I'm like, oh my God, dude. And like, I want it so bad for a turkey to respond and to put my back against that. And so I did a little video and I was like, man, this is insane. But when would I have had a chance to see that had I not been a hunter? Yeah. So that gets you down the rabbit hole of like, well, what was this? And what is that calendar?

I wonder what Graham Hancock is. So when I'm seeing some of this, I'm like, dude, I was in that area. I didn't go to see that particular piece where he's talking to this authority, but I did go, you know, 30 miles south of there or a hundred miles. And I had a chance to work at Turkey around one that's not even been excavated. And it was just, boom, my mind. They find so many of those too. The jungle just overrun.

all that civilization just overcame it and you just they find them with you know what Lidar is I hurt yes I saw what I didn't know about it until I watched that on the Netflix show with Graham and he's showing how there's flying over in those rings see if you can find that pyramid they just unearthed in Guatemala

They just unearthed some huge pyramid in Guatemala. And that's, we were, we were south. I think it was Guatemala. We were right there and kind of right on the southern tip of Mexico, just as you go into Guatemala. And I was just intrigued and we're in the jungle and staying these little huts and I read these little tents, like almost a screen porch.

I was just, I was blown away and the whole time I was like, thank you Lord for allowing me to be the hunter, to go see this, to experience this. And I don't know, it's just, I'm overwhelmed. I've never got bored with it and the more I do it, the more humbling it becomes. As soon as you start thinking like, man.

I got a bunch of help with my bow and arrow. I got this figured out. I'm about to run a rake through them. I know where they're going to be. And then you go out there and they just kick your butt. Yeah, there's no real figuring it out. I mean, you certainly get to your level or a level of Cam Haines or Remy Warren. You become very proficient. You understand what to do and here it is.

find lost city in Mexico jungle by accident. Holy cow. Yeah, this is what it was and wasn't what I'm all. So archaeologists found pyramid sports fields, causeways and connecting districts, amphitheaters in the southern central state of Campeche. Campeche, yeah. Campeche. They uncovered the hidden complex which they have called Valer, Valer,

Valeriana, Valeriana, using LiDAR, a type of laser survey that map structures buried under vegetation. They believed it is second in density only to Kalakmul, thought to be the largest Maya site in ancient Latin America. The team discovered three sites total in a survey, the size of Scotland's capital Edinburgh, by accident, when one of the archaeologists browsed data on the internet.

That's so crazy. They found it by accident. See, that's amazing. And I caught the same vibe when I was down there, because we weren't too far out of Campeche, who was Turkian. And so as we're going through there, and there's thousands and thousands and thousands of acres, I'm not even sure I set up. I don't know if it's, you know, governmentally owned, in this case, Mexico.

or if it's village. But when I saw that, even though we videoed it, I asked later, I come back and the main outfit, or he's very fluid in English. He said, yeah, we don't, you know, there's all kinds of stuff out there. We don't talk about it a lot because this is our hunting ground. It's almost like the buffalo drop story month. They don't want people or geologists to get in there. They really don't want Grand Hancock down there with a team of filmmakers from California like, get on it. I see their point, but I don't. I absolutely. And they kind of,

But I think that's what's fascinating about all that we're able to talk about and share now, culturally, as we realize, if you grow up hunting and fishing, well, I really assumed everybody did. I didn't think there was somebody that had an eat squirrel. I didn't walk. I didn't eat a squirrel until I was 45 years old. That's what I'm saying. And I grew up to where, like, laying and eating with my pop-up all day.

Dammit, I'm gonna buy me some rib-eyes. It's like eating enough squirrel and rabbit and it's great, but it's almost like, man, I'm gonna get that big family pack of chicken. And we ate plenty of that, but it was always a fallback to where you understood the good Lord's renewable resources and how to hunt them. So taking an animal for table fare wasn't anything at all to even cheer about other than

you know, almost in the blessing of blessing your food. Like, thank you, Lord, for giving us this opportunity to have a place to hunt. So it would be a chance to go put a fish basket out. I remember my pop-all would talk me so many things. He made corn liquor and just country of the damn chicken co-op.

And I looked back, he passed away when I was 12, both of my granddads did. And my dad, Evan, what else, same way. I mean, they taught me so much, but I just assumed this is what every man was. And I figured this is what everybody knew. Because that's how you grew up. Yeah. And I remember I started working in the hunting industry when I was young.

I remember I tell the story. I just remember like going to a nice restaurant and people were an appetizers. I'm like, what, what are we doing? What are we doing? Like, what does that mean? Yeah, it was like, bring us some, uh, ceviche and, uh,

some calamari and you guys like cheese sticks. Look, I know they're unhealthy. Anybody like cheese sticks? Like, I like cheese sticks. And like, you know, like, and then all of a sudden we sat in here chatting like we are and everybody's having a cocktail. And I'm like, man, I'm so happy. This is the funnest. I'm loving this. And I'm literally going back and at the end of night calling my dad like, he ain't gonna believe that these everybody's eaten before you eat.

We getting shrimp cocktail, and you know what, I'm over there. And it sounds crazy and almost like, it's exaggerated, but I was so overwhelmed. I was so intrigued with the city and just people. I would be the guy talking to everybody, you know, from the, from the, you know, street people to like, what's up, dog? You know, like, you know, they're.

And they're like, man, what's it like out here? You know, like, man, you ever ate a pigeon? Man, I love these pigeons. Go get you a couple catch up packets from McDonald's and get you a rock. It's hell, people you see. And so I was, it was almost like the exact opposite from some of now my city friends who have gotten just enthralled with honey. They introduced me to so much of the city culture that

You know, I still get excited. Everybody don't think of wood, but I still love to get excited to go. I had a chance. Joe Montania is somebody who's got to show an outdoor channel. So he has this big cigar dinner every night and I mean, every year in Burbank and saw the Fuentes, you know, and all these different, you know, movie stars and stuff. And so he's like, man, why don't you get a table? Come out and join us. I'm like,

Yes, I took my wife. We're all country. I was so excited to just get dressed up and everybody think I wouldn't like it. But I was like, man, this is cool. I'm out there having a cigar. There's the guy from Rambo. I forget his name, but it's in karate kid. Yeah, sure. And I'm like meeting some of these people and I'm thinking this amazing how culturally being so country

and how now I'm talking to some of these guys like man dude you're the hunting guy can you man why don't you take me hunting I'm intrigued with that yeah and so now having a chance I know you had like Jim Brewer on which what a cool cat I love Jim he is so fun I couldn't hardly hunt with him or Theo

for just constantly laughing. I mean, I like to cut up and have good time. The first time I went, honey, I went with Rinella, took me and Brian Callum and it's the same deal. Brian Callum's fucking hilarious. We were just crying and laughing in Montana, freezing our dicks off, having a good time. My experience was the opposite.

always lived in cities, always, you know, and then the first time I went hunting was with Renella. I had been camping before when I was a kid, but there was, I had no real exposure to nature. Right. And I remember just after that week doing it, I was like, I'm doing this for the rest of my life. Like this hit you. Oh, 100%. I remember cooking the back straps over the fire. It was me and Renella and, and Kallen and the crew.

And we were just like sprinkling some like season salt or these back straps and cooking them over the fire. And we're eating them with our hands. And I was like, I'm doing this for the rest of my life. This is like one of the greatest moments I've ever had in my life. One of the greatest experiences I've felt so tuned into it. I was like, this is something I've been missing. Like this is, and it's a whole new world. I explained it. I was like, it's like you're in a different dimension. The first time

I shot a deer was on that show. So I had never hunted an animal before. I'd only been fishing. And the first time I'm looking at that deer through the crosshairs of that rifle and I'm just calming myself to squeeze a shot and I squeeze off the shot and the deer drops like a stone.

And I was like, oh my God, I'm like, this is what I'm doing forever. And then once I started eating in, I was like, oh, this is my new thing. I'm like, I'm obsessed. I was obsessed, obsessed. And then obsessed with what I had been missing, just the experience of being in the woods is so different than anything.

The way people think of hunting, unfortunately, we've been poisoned by movies where the hunters are the bad guys. They're always douchebags. They're always poaching animals and harassing people. Hunters in movies, it's a trope that they've always been cruel, evil people. There's Bambi. The Walt Disney movies are the worst.

They ruined people. They ruined this idea. People who buy burgers from McDonald's will look down on someone who hunts an animal in the woods. And it's just we've been, our brains have been distorted, our perceptions have been distorted by media. And I realized that being in the woods, hunting. I was like, first of all, this is very difficult to do. Mule deer hunting in Montana, in October, freezing cold, in the Missouri breaks,

fascinating, just the whole, the environment is so unforgiving and doesn't give a fuck about you, the quiet and the isolation out there, and a weird kind of loneliness. Like not loneliness, but a realization of where your place really is in the natural world. You're not special.

There's nothing significant about you. You're just one of many living things trying to get along out here, trying to get by. And you have an advantage, obviously, because you have a rifle and you have binoculars and all that other good stuff. But the reality of it is it's very, very difficult to achieve success, especially if you don't know what you're doing. I was very lucky to have a guy like Rinala show me around.

Once you do it once, you're like, oh, God, this is incredible. And then to eat that animal, completely different experience than any other meal I've ever had in my life. It's such a piece that comes with it. And I try to explain that, but there's no way to explain it until you experience it. I was even trying to explain it to Theo. I don't know if I got that across, we laughed.

Theo is a unique dude man. He's one of the most I've met quite a few people not as many as you but Theo by far is one of the coolest unique people I met and I remember we get out and we're gonna turkey hunt, you know, and I knew first of all I think I ruined his whole Excitement of it when I said all right, man. I wake y'all up. We get about 435, you know, he said what'd you say? What else? I said

Oh, man, I didn't sign up for this. You know, I didn't say this in a brochure. And I was like, and so Caleb Presley who varsed through sports, he was there and I was a big fan of those guys. So I was, I was trying to make sure I gave him the best experience I could, you know, because I, you know, just like Renele with you, I knew the magnitude of, okay, these guys, I hope they want to do again, but we go out there.

and Theo had not been around a gun a lot, and so I figured it'd be easy. I had a 20 gauge, well I can't remember, it was a 20 or 12 gauge, I had a couple, but I put red dot, those bush and old red dot scopes on there to make it really easy, not have them shoot the bead, just look through this optic and see the red dot put it on the turkey's head, pull the trigger. So Theo's looking through that thing, so you may shoot now, I said no Theo, I mean it's not even daylight good, he's got sunglasses on.

And he says, he's looking through this joke. He's looking through this shotgun. He said, oh, man. He said, I see that red dot. He said, when I pulled a trigger, it turned green.

said Theo it's a there's clips of it and I literally he said and then he looked and he said who's on the who's on the other team there he is okay and who's the other team

He lives in another dimension Theo lives in a neighboring dimension and he just comes and visits us Theo and I went to the UFC two weekends ago last weekend one of those two weekends ago

We were in Vegas and then after the fights went to dinner and I swear to God the dinner was it was an hour and a half of me and Theo crying laughing Just crying me tears wiping my eyes. I can't breathe. We're just I go dude. This should have been a podcast. We should have filmed this. Oh, I can only imagine we were

Brian, we were just, he was saying the most ridiculous shit and I was laughing so hard. It was so much fun. He's so fun. He's so fun. I had so much fun with that guy, man. And he said so much that I couldn't repeat. That was so funny. And then they said so much that I could, but I hadn't met anything quite like him. He's so unique. He's a one of a kind. He's a one of a kind. Such a big heart too, man. Oh, he's a sweetheart. Such a nice guy. He's such a kind person and just a very unique talent.

And that's the thing too, you know, Caleb on the other hand, he ended up getting the turkey, Caleb. And he kind of took to it pretty quick. Theo liked it, but I think he's attention, if it is attention deficit, he definitely had it. He's got that. And he was kind of cool. And anyway, and I realized Theo had more fun just kind of walking around, checking out the cows. I mean, dude, that would be a whole, you could do a special of Theo just walking around.

maybe after a mushroom or something, just let him walk around and just describe what he's seeing. I mean, our producer come back and I saw him way away. I was tired, man. I've been hunting a lot. And he said, man, we're gonna go take an adventure, walk around the ranch, you know, farm. It was down in South Florida, and I come back, our producer was laughing. He said, man, I can't even tell you all I heard and what Theo was saying. He said, I've never laughed so hard. And I said, I can only imagine, I can only imagine. But yeah, man, I don't know. It's just like that part

I think that's the most beautiful thing for me coming from where I come from and even seeing all the different people from all these cultures. And there's so much, and I've completely understood this too, there's so little that separate us all from the most rural country guy to the most urban city guy for no matter what race, ethnicity. It's amazing how there's so much entertainment and things. If you just open your mind, not pretend to know it all, to want to learn, because there's so much you can teach me, so much I can teach you,

And it's just amazing. And it's definitely given me a whole lot better perspective. And I don't know that that's been probably the coolest part of what I've had a chance to go on an adventure and a journey is to be able to, you know, meet somebody like Brewer who's like, you know, he didn't really was in non-intrigued with hunting. It was more the conspiracy of what was going down and like, dude, I went to go get some chicken breast and some chicken wings to watch football. You couldn't find any. The government Fauci is making me learn.

Why don't teach me how to kill a turkey? You know another hand first morning out

Jim kills one. And so, you know, you've hunted enough, you and Cam where, you know, you get an elk and it is a reverence. It's not like you, everybody reacts different. So, but if, you know, if you've played a good era, kind of a Ted Nugent, the spirit of the era, the spirit of the wild, and that era goes in there and you've worked for it. You practice and when it, you know it's a good ethical shot and you know that you got and essentially put the tag on that bull. It is almost like spike, some people, it's almost like spike in the football and you get a touchdown.

So I was so excited that Jim Brewer had just got a turkey. That men, and I had Ira Dean, who used to be in that country group, Trick Pony, who is just a trip in itself. He's good friends with Jim, and they live somewhere close down there in Naples, Florida. And me and Ira are just grabbing him. Looked like you've rustling jujitsu. I got him in head like, you got him, Jim. You know, and we're like, you know, punching like you. You smoked him. You know, you dude, right in the head. You know, we high-fiving and Jim's just over like,

like overwhelmed. Like the woman in the shower on Psycho, like, what did I just do? I just killed something. And all of a sudden, I forgot, this is a guy in the movies. This is a comedian that grew up as a kid watching a Saturday night. He's never been there. And so, and then we slowed down. And it wasn't even hardly any time after that. You know, Jim's a sitting there. And he takes the turkey and he's holding it like a little puppy dog. And he's holding it. And Ira, my buddy, he grabs his being, say, hello, Jim.

And I think even Jim talks about it, but I just set back and I'm like, man, how cool is this? And then the same token, Jim's like, hey, man, if you ever down here want to come to one of my comedy shows, and for my wife and friend to go do that, or to see something I've never seen, or go home and still tell my dad who's 71, you're not going to believe.

You know, what I saw in Austin, you're not going to believe what happened in, you know, wherever Las Vegas, we're at the shot show. It's, I don't know. That's the beauty of travel, right? Like the more environments you could go into, the more completely different cultures you could explore. You get a just a wider sense of humans.

Yeah. And you realize like we have more in common than we do opposed to each other. We're, we're, we have much more that we share than we don't. Correct. And the, what really is just like what environment did you grow up in? You, you grew up in the country. I grew up in the city. Yeah. But once you find common ground and once you experienced it, like experiencing nature for the first time for people that are in the city,

It's so overwhelming for them. It's so interesting to watch them just walk around the woods and just be confused and not knowing how to navigate, not knowing where they are and being exhausted, not knowing how much energy it takes, going up hills. How are we going to get back? Yeah. Where are we at? Yeah. We're eight miles deep. Yeah, we got to walk eight miles back. When is that going to get us back? Well, probably 11 p.m. Yeah, it's going to be late. What? 11 p.m.? Yeah, we have headlights.

put on your headlamps like what we're gonna walk in the dark with are there animals out here there's a lot of animals out here and they know where you are before you know where they are yeah it is it is so intriguing and and to think of a different world it is a completely different world and for me it was so cool i've over the years working for different i i call it more non-adimic like you obviously we think a hoyt you think of

real tree, you think of these different companies that are around the hunting culture, but I remember one year I had a chance to work with Hormel Denny Moore Stu. Hormel had Denny Moore beef stew, so they did the sweepstakes and it was like, when a turkey hunt was Michael Waddell, and so they run 30-second ads, that was when everything was a bunch of 30-second ads, and so

The guy wins it, him and his son, and well, they get there and I realized they'd never hunted. And it was my first time to experience guiding somebody that knew nothing. I mean, I got it a lot of rookies, but I'm talking about when I say had no clue of nature. Never shot a gun. Never shot a gun. I mean, immediately, you know, had a big Rambo knife tied on the side of his head. You know what I mean?

Okay, it's I remember we walking and and I realized that okay This would be fun for me because from the basics of everything just the mountain the streams to the tracks is so we walking along and me and his son and Him are talking I say look here This is a coyote track right here. Look at this cool and you can see it in this endero a perfect coyote track Oh, man, that's cool. I'd like you know and everything he would relate to would be to a cartoon like like

The Coyote on the books from a rodeo show. I said, yeah, like Bugs Bunny, Road Runner, Coyote, but this is a real coyote. And I said, oh, this is cool. Check this out. This is a bobcat track. Oh, man. I say, look, here's a turkey track, but this is a hen track. This track is different. I'm explaining to him the different things. I mean, we saw everything that day from hog, javelina tracks. So finally we were walking and he's just so cool with these tracks, like taking pictures. He said, hey, man, any cheetos around here?

And I said, what? And he said, you know, Cheetos, you know, Cheetos. I said, are you talking about like Cheetos like snacks? Snacks? He said, oh yeah, I mean, any of those animals? And I said, what? What? I swear animals. That just shows the disconnect. Cheetos, Chester the Cheetah, which I guess is from a true animal, a Cheetah, but Chester Cheetah, he was

Like is any of those tracks, if you see one of those tracks, show me what a Chester Cheeto track looks like. We don't have cheetahs, but there is no Chester de Cheeto. But then it hit me, it's like he was talking about the movies. Well, Bambi is so real to them. The Fox and the Hound, it's like somehow they think that you go to Antarctica or North Pole and these

polar bears are sitting and having a soda and high-five and then talking about Christmas. Yeah, it climbed that bar like, what's up, what the hell? Come over here, man. Have a coke with us. You know what I'm saying? No, that's not. These animals will smell you and they come hunt you. They'd like, wait a minute, a seal that we got to wait days for him to come out to hole and hunt them down or look, there's a dude just been eating a lot of fried chicken and collard greens and cornbread.

I bet that sucker. I bet he can't run fast. That's going to him. And so it's just a disconnect of not knowing and thinking that everything is almost like going to the zoo. And then when it becomes hard, you know, and you two or three days in and you're not had opportunities like, dude, what is going on? Like we're hunting. I mean, I've even had him like, dude, I thought you were good. I mean, well, I'm trying. I'm trying. It's just this animal.

It does not want to get on your plate. It's not an easy thing to do. No. And that's also the problem with hunting shows. It's a hunting show. If it's a half an hour show, it's 22 minutes of actual footage. And so you're boiling down a 10 day hunt to 22 minutes. And the reality is that gives a distorted perception to the people at home like, oh, it's easy.

They just go there, they put the animal on their crosshair. That's not fair. Like you hear that all the time, that's not fair. Like survival's not fair. You think it's fair that the lion gets to kill the gazelle? It's not fair. No. Of course it's not fair. There's nothing fair in nature. Why are elephants big? Why are my small? There's nothing fair. No. There's fair doesn't factor in. This is what you're trying to do. You're trying to survive. Obviously you can go to the store, but out here there's no fucking stores.

So out here, if you want to survive, if we lived here forever, this is the only environment you're ever going to be here. So your heart stops beating. Correct. This is the only one way. You've got to figure out the wind. You've got to figure out where they are. You've got to pattern them. You've got to figure out how to sneak up on them. You've got to figure out how to execute a shot without getting buck fever. You've got to do all these things. This is the only way. It's so deep. You're right. And it is difficult. You just can't boil it down to 10.

Pedro does a really good job of showing how difficult it is on these crazy adventure hunts that he does. But even still, it's an hour or hour and a half. The reality is, it's 10 fucking days, man. 10 days or 10 to 12 miles a day, sweating your ass off, coming back exhausted, your feet hurt, your back's killing you, and you sleep so hard. You sleep like a dead man. And then that alarm clock goes off at 4.30.

Oh, you get some coffee in you with a jet boil and you're freezing and you're trying to warm your hands up and then you're off again. Yep. But it still almost feels like, I always talk about hunting and opening day. It's kind of like Christmas. It's like, you know, when you finally do get to that September and I just use elk hunting as an example because I know you love elk hunting. It's almost like you are tired, you've been grinding, you've had

you know, doing your, your daily gigs of whatever you're doing and responsibilities of everything in your life. Finally, I'm an elk camp and you're already tired. And that first morning, you maybe don't sleep good because you're anxious and excited. And then all of a sudden you finally fall in a deep sleep. And all of a sudden, like,

But then all of a sudden, it's kind of like as a kid when you wait on Santa Claus, it's like, man, I'm not sleeping, I'm listening for him. I love milk cookie for him. But then you fell asleep deep, and all of a sudden, you wake up, I'm like, Santa Claus, so you jump up, and you're still tired, and so hunting to me is still that.

But that's amazing. It's still that after all these years. I still get it. So that's the same with Cam. I mean, he's been hunting his whole life. He still loves it more than anything. I plan on it so hardcore that like when Netflix gave me a comedy special. Yeah. I had to make sure that it was the beginning of August. I was like, I need time to get ready. Yeah. Because like I have a whole training routine and a shooting routine. And you know, I want to make sure I'm shooting 100 hours a day, seven, seven days a week. I want to make sure my

accuracy is fully dialed in. I have 100% confidence. My cardio is on point. I got to be ready. So I was like, it can't be any later than like August 5th.

I'm like, I need like four hard weeks of, I mean, I'm training for it all year round, but four hard weeks, almost like you're getting ready for a fight. And some of those meetings still, do you still have maybe executives looking at you like? Oh, yeah, they ask weird questions. I don't understand that. Like, so September 12th through the 23rd. You're not gonna find me. Yeah. And to them, they don't understand like, you know, outside of people playing football, like you still see the Christmas games and the Christmas Eve or Thanksgiving, but for me,

like Thanksgiving and Christmas, very rarely, you know, all of us kind of like, I'm taking that day, you know, I'm taking that day. And that's kind of like, unfortunately, now we getting these hobbies of honey, like, okay, I can't do anything the first week in April. That's turkey season and September. Oh, man. That whole month's gone. Yeah. And November. Oh, man, the deer are running. I don't know that.

Y'all got anything in July? I've had big guests, like important guests that wanted to come in, like September 10th, I'm like, that's not gonna work. Can't do it. It's not gonna happen. Well, it's the only time he's in America. It's not gonna work. Sorry. Let me know if he come back. Yeah, let me know if he come back. I'm not missing that. It's just, it's my favorite time of the year. I mean, I like it. Funny story that happened similar. You know, people wonder like, do you ever get tired of it?

You really don't. I mean, I'm sure like you obviously say in the comedian world to kind of draw parallels that opportunity to go out for 30 minutes or an hour to make someone laugh and they're digging on the stuff that you're performing. It's got to be a natural high that comes with it. So it becomes an addictive quality to it.

And it's not necessarily about the money. It's just a certain situation that feels good. So you wonder, like, when do I want to step down for this? And it's kind of like, you know, Keith Richards playing a guitar, maybe never. It's like this is part of it. And I think hunting becomes like that. And to the point with me, like the things I love, and I've been blessed that in evolution, my financial opportunities have came from

promoting hunting and working for different partners as his cams in many of us, Remy, Steve, a lot of us. But I'm still so addicted to the point to where my wife, she loves country music, my wife, Christy. And so through people we meet, we've got invited some really cool things, you know, from get togethers to.

to parties, to situations, awards, to ceremonies, to different clubs. And so a lot of times we'll try to go. And it's actually a cool thing for me, because I, hey man, I'm at this person. Would you like to do this or that? And one thing in particular happened, my wife loves country music. And there's a lot of those country music guys that I hunt with. So I had gotten a text from a guy that was having some awards ceremony around the country music. I forget which one it was, but when they had it to Dallas Stadium, and anyway, I had got invited.

He said, hey, if you want to come out, what else? Look, man, we'd like to have you to, you know, man, we'll treat you like one of the singers, you know. And so immediately I said, oh, dude, what's the dates? And they said it's April, like it was a, I forget what it was. It was whatever it was that hit right in Turkey season. Like right when I knew, I hadn't even had anything planned. This was time, but I knew kind of like, you know, September. So I said, man, I'm sorry. Thank you so much for the invite, but I'm not going to be able to make it. Well,

My wife and I don't have a relationship where we goin' through each other's phones and stuff like that, but that particular, my phone was sittin', it was maybe a week later, sittin' there, and that same gentleman had texted me on another matter, and so he had just texted me some, I said, Christy, get my phone, so she did, and somehow that, she just happened to look at that text, and all of a sudden I couldn't figure out, she was just kinda give me the cold shoulder, like the rest of the day, I'm like,

What did I do? And I couldn't figure out what I did, you know? So finally I was like, look, baby, you know, I figured out a lot of things about Ilk and Turkey. I ain't figured out a woman completely. And so I know I done pissed you off some kind of way. I don't know what I did, but you know, help me understand. She said, you know what? I do have a bone to pick with you. And I was like, Oh, hey, well, let me have it. You know, let me have it. And I'm already thinking, I ain't ditched it. You know, I think she said, you know what, I know you like Hunt Turkey.

I'm like, okay, all right. And I'm like, yeah, I love to hunt turkeys. She said, but you know what? We could take one night and go to a really cool ward ceremony. Maybe we could hang out with Blake and have a drink and just chill and relax and Luke was gonna be, and I, and I, and I was like, what are you talking about? And then she said, well, I saw the text and we were invited to go to the awards. And you quickly just said, no, didn't even talk. And I'm like,

And then I hit me like, what a self, I don't know how many turkeys I've seen shot or how many turkeys I've shot myself. But here it is, I'm 50 years old and I'm saying no, just like that without hesitation to. No, I mean, I would be fun. In my mind, I'm thinking, dude, if I was June or July and I had your number, I'd be texting everybody, dude, are y'all going? Can we have a drink? Hang out? Sure. But it's like, nope, it wouldn't matter if Elvis Presley

to be the show. I was like, and then it hit me. I'm like, man, I am a little selfish. And it hit me there. And I did. I sincerely said, I'm sorry because you're right. I could have just got a commercial flight. We could have flew out there and spent a great evening, had a great date night and saw the awards and come back. But in my mind, I'm thinking, why would anybody go to a big city in the middle of Turkey? I don't understand that.

And I'm trying to, I'm still learning, still learning, you know? Well, the reality of it is if you have an experienced hunting, you don't understand why people are so drawn to it and why it's the experience is so much more powerful than anything else you have in life other than the birth of your children, you know, being in love. Well, there's a bunch of experiences that are wonderful in the regular modern civilized life. But when you get that bug,

You get that bug, you know, you get that bug. When you hear the swag of that fucking arrow hitting the vitals and you see the spot right in the golden triangle, you see the blood dripping down and you see him stumbling forward, you're like, we got him.

We got them. And every sense in your body is on 10. Your fucking goosebumps have goosebumps, everything. It's just, there's nothing like it in the world. You want to stand up and tie that bandana like on Rambo first blood. It's just, I don't know, it's crazy feeling. And I hope more people get a chance to experience it.

But it is so hard to do. Especially like archery elk hunting or archery mule deer hunting. Probably even more difficult. It is so hard to do to get someone addicted to that.

Boy, you've got to get a special kind of person that's willing to, like, the learning curve is so long. And the physicality of that hot desert mule deer. Oh, yes! It's brutal. And also, those motherfuckers are smart. Oh, yeah, you think they're not... They've been ducking mountain lions for five, six years, and they know any little snap of a branch, any little, like, moving of a rock that sounds like it might have been a predator's paw. Oh, yeah. They're on a swivel, they're up, and they're bouncing.

going, going, going, see ya. They're gone. And that's what other other thing people don't realize. You know, they think, oh, you hunters go out there and, you know, getting these animals and, you know, obviously the hunters have such a responsibility and the balance of a lot of things. You know, and mother nature is, first of all, very brutal and there's a lot to be learned through nature. There's a lot of things we think we know, but then if you really dig deep and you're in the mountains, you realize, wait a minute, that was all human nature.

This is nature. There's a difference, you know, so many examples that you can get into. But at the end of the day, these deer also have coyotes. Now they reintroduce wolves in some of these places. And they have done studies that in some cases, they feel like an adult male mountain lion can kill up to 100 mule deer, one mountain lion. So you're talking 80 to 100 animals that they kill. So when you're thinking about us, even if we're athletic, that's a year, that's a year. That's one.

And they've done all kinds of studies. I know the state of Utah has been really proactive, which is great. And what I love about Utah Game of Fish is what they're doing. They're listening to a lot of these mountaineering type of guys who are not, you know, have a doctored in biology or balancing nature. They're just ranchers. They're outfitters. They're hunters. They're somebody that's immersed themselves. And, you know, they might not consent there.

and recite Shakespeare, but they can certainly tell you what they've seen. They don't claim to know it all, but they can tell you things that they are seeing out there. There's different kinds of intelligence knowledge. 100%, yeah. And a lot of the Game of Fish sometimes will get, at times, arrogant to say, well, what am I going to learn from a Joe? What am I going to learn from Michael Waddell? What am I, Remy Warren? Come on, dude. Okay, you hunt a lot. But, you know, I got a doctorate in this.

Well, like California is a great example. Yeah. Like a lot of their game and fish. I don't even think they call it game and fish. I think they call it fish and wildlife. Correct. Yeah, because they don't want the concept of game to be introduced and being hunted. Yeah, it's crazy. Their thought is they want to get it to the point where the predators and the prey balance each other out where there's no need for hunting. And they would like to reintroduce wolves to help. I think that's it. They do.

It's animal activists that have taken these positions that should be held by wildlife, biologists who have an objective understanding of the populations and how to keep them healthy. And the way they're doing it in California is you've got mountain lions everywhere. In this one ranch that I hunt, they had a water hole, they had a pond, and they had a trail cam. They found 18 different cats that visited this trail cam.

18 different mountain lines. That goes beyond what biologists will tell you. As a matter of fact, a lot of times, a lot of the studies are now it's been changed and everything, the goal poster being adjusted. But there was a time, I think it was 28 square mile radius that I know at least in the state of Utah. So I'm not saying every game of fish department, you know, I call it, or fishing game, or fishing wildlife would say, but they had specifically, they said a male mountain line basically controlled 28 miles diameter.

Only to find that in Utah, I've got some friends and outfitters that went out there when they did have the quota tags. Now you can just buy a tag over the counter and you can get depredation. You can hunt mountain lion all the time because they realize, look, these mountain lions are killing a lot of mule deer specifically. On top of that, you can't don't know what the winter is going to be and what that's going to kill. Then you got wolves, you got bear, you got all this stuff.

This outfitter took a business card and he put it down. He said, well, I know y'all think this, but I want to show y'all what I feel the quota. He said, I shot 10 mountain lions in this business card. He said, three of them was here. So your theory that one male mountain lion is in this 28 mile diameter.

It's completely busted. This is not on anything I've studied. I didn't go to Harvard. I didn't go to Auburn University in the wildlife department. I don't have trail cameras out there. I'm just telling you that with Redbone hounds, this is a true statistic. Here's the photos. And so what has happened, a lot of those people got together and what I love about Utah, they are listening and they're saying, okay, this old, this old hillbilly knows something. Let's listen to him. And so they're adjusting and now the deer numbers are going up. The hunting's getting better.

And it's unfortunate that really some of these people might be right that nature does have a great way of balancing itself. Very more, way more brutal than what you and I would approach, the management process. But everything's changing. I mean, you know, you talk about California, you talk about how they reintroduced the will of say in Colorado. Well, all that was voted in in a very urban area, specifically Aspen, all the ranchers,

I don't think it should be voted in at all. It shouldn't be. Ballot biology, to me, is ridiculous. It don't make sense. Because you should have to have an understanding about what you're voting on from perspective of the people that are actually in the field. Correct. And the reality of mount lines is you're not going to get an accurate assessment from someone who visits it once a month. They think you can go out there and sell tourist tickets to watch the mount lines. You can't find them.

I tell you this. They're there and they know you're coming. They smell you miles away. They're not going to be anywhere near you. And if you do see them, it's rare. I heard Renella, because Renella spends a lot of time in desolate places. And I didn't specifically talk to Cam, but kind of in perspective, I started working

in the area of either guiding or working with an outfitter, working with companies that were doing shows for at the time, T and N that turned into ESPN, now outdoor channel, now YouTube, so on and so forth. Well, so as a young kid, you know, in rural Georgia, I finally had a chance to start going and seeing these places from Saskatchewan.

to all over Canada, got to go to Africa, all over Mexico. And now I'm hunting all across the Western landscape, not just in Georgia, hunting whitetails and turkeys and squirrels there. I've only saw one mountain lion in the daylight, one. Now,

I've spent tons. I think Rinella said he saw six in his lifetime in the daylight. So what you realize, if you see a mountain lion in the daylight, now I've seen a lot of mountain lions, but they all have been in a tree behind a dog or running behind a dog. I'm talking about just you and I, glassing, looking for a deal there and like, Joe, mountain lion, you don't see them. You don't see them.

and the same with wolves. I've seen two wolves in my life, both were in one was in the Yukon, one was in Alaska, in the daylight. I've heard them countless times. You know, we've been camping and spike tents and you hear the wolves. I've heard them all across places where the wolves exist, but you don't see them. Another perspective is even coyotes. I have 500, a little over 500 acres I live on in Georgia. And so I noticed that

I was finding all kind of, you know, fawns and they did a bunch of studies from University of Georgia, Auburn University are talking about how many deer that coyotes eat, which can't blame them. Why would you not eat a fawn in the fawning time of year and feed your, your pups? So I decided, uh, actually of all people who got me into trapping, it was Blake Shelton. He was trapping in Oklahoma and loves it. And, um, so I'm like, my God, if this country singer hosted American, you know, or the voice can trap, I got to get learned about this. So I dug deep and

2019 and 20, man. I just dug in and just learned a lot more about trapping. And so putting out dirt, whole traps or leg hole, dirt, dirt, whole traps and different things. And so I caught in 2021, I call like 22 one year, 19 another year, just on 500 acres. And if we go hunting tomorrow, now think about 20 dogs that are smaller than a German Shepherd, but a small, you know,

canine dog that lives on your property. Some are passing through to think that in a four week period, I could catch 22 coyotes that at times, you know, hunting a lot, I would see see them time to time along that also called seven Fox and two bobcats. And I don't know how many coons and possum. So for people to think that you see this all the time, you don't I live there. And when I'm home, every day I'm up and I'm riding,

checking food plots, putting in food plots. I got bulldozers. I got different things. The tract is trying to make the wildlife habitat better to make sure I got better areas for my turkeys to brood, making sure I'm planting resources. And I don't see these things. And this is all I've ever done. So the people that live in Aspen are just out of L.A.

uh, you know, not trying to throw shade on them, but you don't know, man. I don't, I don't know how to hit a half pipe like Tony, Tony Hawk either. So I'm still learning. And so for me to say that and to think that you can just spend nearly $4.8 million, $5 million to reintroduce wolves and think you're going to get tourists to come out there and look at them. These wolves, if they could talk, they're like, these people have a clue. You're never going to see me.

Well, not only that, but they took wolves that were already depredating livestock. Yeah. That's the ones that they captured. And they moved them to Colorado where they're going to continue to do the same thing. I just, it read something other day. You say they're removing one of those herds? They're trapping them and removing them because of all the depredation of killing livestock. Yeah. Guess what? If a mountain lion kills a hundred deer,

one. And then he's, okay, God bless the fact that he is nature and he's hunting a deer or an elk. But guess what they do when that starts running low? They're like, man, that dog looks good. Yeah. As we were talking about this yesterday, the San Francisco, when they kill mountain lions in the Bay Area, 50% of their diet is pets.

Ain't that something? And all as well, all these PETA members, they're all fine. Long as it's your dog and your cat. But all of a sudden, you let a herd of deer come in and eat their $40,000 worth of landscaping and a mountain lion kill their pet. They're secretly calling me like, hey, hey, bone collector. I'm not going to lie, that's a little fits, but we need you. So how quiet is your bow and arrow?

It's like, oh, hypocrisy. Is this hypocrisy.com calling me? It's like, well, it's uneducated. It's uneducated. They just don't know what they're talking about. And they don't have any experience in it. And again, like we talked about, the idea, the mass media idea of a hunter is very negative.

It's very negative. Very negative. It's sad because what you'll find, too, is some of the best people in society. Some of the best people. I mean, they're really down to earth. I mean, set around a campfire with somebody that's grew up very rural. Their excitement of talking about everything typically is pretty awesome from... Also the appreciation of hard work.

they're very much appreciate. And I think that's, even my dad, man, he's 71. And I said, dad, you ain't gonna believe it. You know, Joe Rogan texts me and invited me to come up on the show. And he said, man, I like that Rogan. He said, I do. It's funny in talking about my dad. I got it, you know, going to that impersonation.

Hey, Joe, man, he stopped. He stopped. I mean, he worked out a lot, you know, and I'm thinking, how does my dad know the routine, you know, knows that I like him. I, you know, of course he loved, he loved that you had Trump on and that you had had kind of bringing some, some light to that and give them an opportunity to talk. And so I find across the board, same conversation I had talking to some squirrel hunters, talking about cam hands, you know, it's like cam.

is a beast. He runs and he does this stuff and what brought me and Cam back together to even going out and talking on his podcast. We grew up close to the same age, same trajectory. I'm the Southern guy. He's a West guy. He's a fitness guy. I'm kind of a little Debbie Eater.

Fried chicken collard green, but we still figured out a way. I always said, somebody asked me, so what's the difference between Cameron Haynes? I said, Cameron Haynes runs quickly to the top of the mountain. And I sat down and I called them off the mountain. I'm going to figure out how to communicate with them. There's a lot of different ways to crack. There's a lot of different ways to skin the cat, as they would say. But at the end of the day, I was talking to some squirrel hunters over in Alabama. And these guys, prototypical, what you'd pull up, looked like Billy Coleman from where the red fern grows. You know, had squirrel dogs.

And one of the guys, he had to be in the 60s, and literally I had some chew in the back. He said, man, you friends with that camera and things. And I said, I am. I said, I've known camera a long time. He said, man, you seem like a good dude. And I don't know why he hit me. Like, this guy I wouldn't expect to mention Cameron. And so quickly, I contacted Cameron. I said, man, that's a cool conversation. And so he and I quickly kind of said, man, why have we not even hunted together? We've been at trade shows and stuff, and done some stuff.

And so that's been really cool for me and old friend I've known a long time to get back in camp and the conversations are so funny we get to laugh and cutting up and and and I don't know it's crazy and I think one of the beautiful things about social media for hunting and Podcasts for hunting is that people have an opportunity to hear completely different perspective about what it is that wasn't available before that I got into hunting because I started watching Spirit of the Wild

I loved it. That's when I got fascinated with it. And then I watched Renella's original show, which, oh God, I can't remember the name of it. He had a show. He wasn't meeting her, though. No, no, no, before meeting her. Yeah. God, I forget the name of it. But his show, it didn't last very long, but I thought it was really interesting. And I knew Helen Cho, because Helen Cho who worked with Renella on that show, she also worked with Bourdain.

And so, you know, I was friends of Bourdain, and so I got introduced to them through that, and Helen got Steve on the show. He didn't even know what a podcast was. He did. He was like, what are we doing here? We were filming out of the Ice House and Pasadena at that time. The Ice House is a comedy club in Pasadena, and that's where we had our studio.

So there's Renella sitting there. He's like, oh, kind of a little dismissive of this. Like, what is this nonsense? Yeah. And then now he's got one of the biggest podcasts in the space. He's done a phenomenal job, man. He's great. He has. I was when Renella reached out and I had a chance to be on his podcast. You know, I

I would say I'm a very secure person, but at the same time, I know I'm country. I know I'm the flack better words, the guy that, I kill a lot of stuff. I ain't no way to say it any better. I could say harvest, pluck, take, but at the end of the day, I grew up where

In Georgia, we could kill 10 deer legally a year. So mostly with a bow, and then Alabama, the neighboring state, you know, you could kill a buck in a do-a-day for a long time in Alabama. And there was people that tried to do it. It would never, did you get you a good one this year? Like, yep, 47.

But what? Like, yeah, you know, and so at first I was, you know, when I first started meeting and hanging with Renella, I thought, man, I hope you don't think I'm just this old redneck crazy dude that, you know, and then once we've become friends, it gets back to the whole how everything is so much tighter that you realize and how we all have so much respect for each other and different lanes of bringing it. And it's just like anything. I mean, you know, you got different players on the team, all playing for the same team.

But they all have a different skill set. And so we all grew up a little different. And so again, I just assumed growing up in my small little area, just out of Manchester, Woodbury, Georgia.

I really think the area I was from is called Booger Bottom, Georgia. And I just thought, well, booger bottoms are everywhere. Well, you find out there is a lot of different little names. There are no lights there. But I just really assumed everybody did. And I was just completely devastated when I went to the city. And, you know, and I'd tell somebody like, man, you know, what do you do? It's like, man, I work for a company. We do hunting shows at T&N. And I'm so proud thinking,

Man, I should be a pass out of business card and meet a girl with this. You know, like, oh my God, you're a killer. You kill Bambi. And it just, bro, it just completely devastating. Cause you had never been around. People were anti hunting. I've never had. I didn't know it existed. I mean, I was that night. I did not know when you first encountered people that were anti hunting. Um, I was in my early twenties. Wow. That was in my early twenties and work. How hard was it to wrap your head around that?

It blew me away. And people that eat meat too, by the way, right? Yeah, I mean, it was really weird. It really hit me when I started traveling. I literally was like a kid that was just, you know, getting up every morning for Christmas. I was having a chance to work for Bill Jordan. And I met him through winning a turkey calling contest. And he asked me him and David Blanton. I can't say enough great things about Bill and David.

David Blanton believed in me when he always believed in me so much and he said, hey man, we'd love for you to help guide hunters. And back then everything around hunting was media, outdoor life, field and stream. So there wasn't any hunting shows, but then about that same time, 10 in after these NASCAR races introduced an outdoor block, which if you go back and look,

people like Jackie Bushman at the time. This would have been for me it'd have been a 92 or three or four somewhere right in there. Did they even have rangefinders back then? No rangefinders. I bought the first one I'd ever seen. It was a Bushnell and I still work with Bushnell. The thing looked like a car battery. I had safety straps. I had like chains.

Strongest man contest to hold this thing up, but they had the little ones you could roll and and it even tell you when the temperature changes It's gonna give you an inaccurate. It's gonna change with the weather But no it was you know just guessing but was it a laser range? It was up the the first ones was like a roller you rolled two things I forget exactly at work, but it come and it gave you

basically a rough estimate. A rough estimate. It'd be like 42 yards, 40 yards. And then Bushnell, to my knowledge, come out with one. It was a bigger one. It looked, like I said, it kind of looked like a small battery is big and it had a laser on it and you could range it and it gave you, you know, the yardage. And obviously it wasn't.

angle compensation. It didn't have any of the arc, the angle range compensation had any of that. And the first person I ever saw that even talked about that was Chuck Adams. I was videoing with him back in those TNN days. And we should explain to people like the angle compensation is like an arrow is quicker going downhill.

So if you're shooting uphill or downhill, the angle, you have to gauge how fast the arrow's going to go, the feet per second, based on the angle. So if it might look like it's 50 yards as the crow flies, your rangefinder might say 42. Correct. And you've got to put your side at 42 yards, otherwise it'll shoot right over its back. And it works. Yeah, it works really well. It's unbelievable. And that to me, I didn't know existed. Have you ever fucked around with those Garmin sights?

No, I haven't. I've always wanted to try one. It's great in theory and great when it works. So when it works? Yeah. I've had a problem with it a couple of times and I gave up on them and I'm hoping they're going to get better. And then they outlawed them in Utah. I tried to bring it to Utah a couple of years ago and they had passed a law maybe last year. And the best thing about it though, it's like a red dot. You get that dot. You have a clear site picture.

You can see just that dot. Just that dot on the vitals. It's amazing. And the fact that you could go to full draw and just press a button to range and then say maybe the animal moves 15 yards to the left. Just press it again and you get a range and you have a perfect shot.

But some people think that that's cheating. But it's just taking a step out. Instead of picking your range finder off your bino pouch and checking it and then changing your site and then drawing back with this, you're doing it right from draw. So from full draw, you can just keep getting ranges. And then you can also hit it once.

and then a second time and you'll get a pins. So you get 20 to 80. Nice. Yeah. So even if you... So then all your pins have come up. Exactly. Based on that. But if you just want an accurate range, you get that one button press and it'll give you exact range and it's based on everything is compensated into the site itself.

So angle compensation is built into the side itself. You put in the speed of your arrow. So if you're shooting 285 feet per second. Exactly, exactly. It's all factored into your bow. It's pretty incredible. I liked that a lot because, and I think I've heard you even mention this, what I love about archery is obviously you got these windows, everything ain't just sitting out in the yard where you're shooting

shooting through the woods especially if you out there elk hunting. You got these windows and there was a site years ago that I remember and it worked in theory great but it wasn't like the range or the garment but they had these fiber optics that were glued to the middle of a

basically of a piece of glass that went into the site housing. So you would buy this glass housing that, okay, if your bow was 280 feet per second or 290 or 300, 320, and your pins were pretty set. So you went in and got your top pin dialed in. So then you had all these, but your site viewing was good. The problem was when it rained or if it got dirty. Foggy. Yeah.

And what I did like about that is the fact that the reason I've always liked pens, multiple pens, is the fact that I could see my whole site picture where my air is going from 20 all the way out to even if I'm shooting 80. In this case, most of my sites I set up from say 20 to 60 or 20 to 70. I try to put as many pens on my site as I can. A lot of people don't like it because they think it's clutter, but once I've mentally got used to it, if I range a bull, say 65, when I pull back,

Without having to do any other calculations, I'm putting my 60-yard pin on that bull. It's in the clear and then quickly now it's like a memory of going back and I quickly go back up to my 20-yard pin and I'm looking all the way down through and estimating is this era going to arc through. But basically from 20 all the way out to my desired where I want to hit, I can see the arc of my era based on my pin set.

good. So so you know if there's a gap in the tree, I know the gap, but I know if I'm at 60 holding dead on that clear spot, but I got to limit 30 in my 30 RPMs in the middle of it. I know I'll crap on hit that. Listen, now I can just squat down. So that's why I don't like as much single pin technology.

And then quickly, what I like about the pins, it's clutter. It's kind of old-fashioned. But I do like that a lot from that standpoint of trajectory, of the ability to kind of kill or to take and fill a tag. And Cam and I talked a lot about those things. We talked a lot about the release. I definitely like that. I like the handheld from a, if I really want to try to haul in and be a little more disciplined and kind of the

feel it go not feel it go off and shoot with completely surprise I like that but I don't think that traditionally works is great for hunting because of the fact I think you do have to know and to make that air go right now if you consistently have to even in Texas I mean we're shooting animals at

20 to 30 yards, those deer. Sometimes they walk in, they're dogging a doe. They're coming in, every deer ain't coming in, just to eat corn or feed in a food plot. They're coming in, they got one thing on their mind, and that's, you know, mama is ready. And so, they're coming in grunting, so that deer runs, he stops, and you got to be at full draw, know he's 27, come back, and you got to send it right now. You know what I describe it as? The difference between practicing free throws and basketball.

100%. That's it. Stefan Curry is not it. It is. I mean, dude. You don't get a chance to set up and have a surprise shot. 100%. That's a great way. Yeah. That's really what it is. I think practicing, sure. But I think there's moments where you got to make that sucker go off. But then. Oh, man. Yeah. This is great. Hunter's like Levi Morgan who hunts with a hinge.

Dude, I mean, just an animal. Yeah. He's probably the most decorated archer that I know. I mean, that dude. Maybe of all time. Yeah, because like Almer, Gillingham, all those guys are heroes of mine. I mean, like, I very much look up to him. And if I can ever pull him aside, I just wear him out trying to learn, you know? Right.

But Levi is right there, dude, far as winning and what he knows. You know what, another thing about Levi, I gotta give him credit. That dude is a cold-blooded killer, man. He is a great hunter, too. Sometimes I don't translate. I know some people that are great, Tarda tournament. I mean, 3D tournament, ASA IBO winners, but it doesn't go over into the ability to just fill tanks. He's free throws versus basketball.

No, it is like you're standing weird one leg is down one leg is up You know you're on the side of a hill you got a can't your bow a little bit You know you lean your bubble into the wind there's a lot of shit going on a lot a lot And then you got the nerves you never get completely over that you know people ask me all the time Do you ever get nervous or get buck fever like man? Almost every time it's like I think that's when if some of that yes, you get good at kind of

Someone like stage fright, I saw a clip of Elvis Pres. I thought it was just so unique. I saw a clip of Elvis Presley the other day on this YouTube clip. And he was completely in panic. And this was like right in the prime of his career. And he was walking around and it was a narrator saying, yes, Elvis and notoriously would get just afraid every time went on Friday. And I'm like, this is the king, right? But he was just pacing and he was being short with a couple of people. I wish that. And anyway, he walks out there. I'm sure he crushes it. But I think

It's similar to probably how some of those football players running out on the field. There's no way you got all this clicking in your head. Like, oh, man, I got to remember. Bill Hachek has told me that he's introduced this new offense. I'm not sure. I don't know if I can read. I don't know how I'm going to read this offense. I think hunting is similar as to where everything has to click, but you still get that.

Now is my opportunity. Yes. And dude, it still is overwhelming. And then to control it. And then when you fit that air through that window and then you can pick up the phone and call your family and say, baby doll, don't buy no steak because I'm bringing it home. It's, it's, it's, it's again, it's just, it's not like you want to disrespect the animal, but you just achieve something

grocery shopping in the wild is what you need. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's something that's very difficult to do that you care a lot about. And anytime there's something that's very difficult to do that you care a lot about, you're going to get nervous. A hundred percent. And especially with hunting, there's one moment where you pull that trigger. This one moment. You have this one moment. So you've been practicing, you've been preparing, you packing your gear, getting ready, all for this millisecond in time when you...

You release that arrow and you watch right in there. And it's very difficult to master. I don't think you ever master. You become proficient at it. You become good at it. But even the best hunters make bad shots sometimes. Absolutely. Animal moves, the wind takes the arrow in a weird direction. It hits a branch going in. You see it all the time. It's not an easy thing to do. So of course, you're going to have those nerves. But that's part of the reward.

of being successful is that if you can get through that nervousness, and I think it helps you in everything you do in life. I think anytime you do something really hard, very difficult, I think that ability to overcome that difficult scenario helps you with everything in life. 100%. And when it comes to archery too,

you're on that ragged line to where you're subconscious. You can go from, you can be the hero or you can be zero that quick. All of that time, the money, the energy, the time that you did step away from the Netflix special in your case because, hey, I'm elk hunting. You know you gotta somehow communicate with your buddies. Oh man, I missed. Or worse, I made a bad shot. Let's let them lay. And so everything that you look forward to that whole year, you could let yourself down. So it's a very,

individual lonely feeling, and you can't think about that before you pull the trigger. You can never think, I hope I don't make a bad shot, because you'll make a bad shot. You can't. And I'm always, are you always positively thinking when you're like, I'm about to put it on it.

Yeah. Are you thinking positive? I have to. I do too. Yeah, I think you have to. I was interested, you know, I was talking, I mentioned Chuck Adams. Chuck told me that he did that exact opposite. He said sometimes I would say, Hey, I'm going to do my best. I'll probably fail. It was almost like Mr. Rogers' neighborhood. I said, you kid me. And then to me, this guy is the beast. Right. And the only other person in history I've ever heard that, there was a guy named Kenny Bartram as a motocross. He was the first guy to ever do a back flip on a, on a, on a motorcycle and he landed it.

And so he went hunting with us one time in Texas and I said, Kenny, how, I mean, how much weed do you got to smoke to get on a diet and think you can do a flip for the first time? He said, man, I just always thought I'd probably kill myself, but I tried. I said, so you never thought you would land? He said, no, I every time I try a trick, I think I'm about to water it up.

I said, oh my God, how do you, how do you do that? And I'm thinking about me and my buddy, Boo Bishop, building a BMX track and building a little something we jumped over and thinking I'd be scared to like, I can do this. Just jump over a little ramp. I never thought, yeah, jumping around like I'm probably gonna crash. I always would think I could. And then when I crashed, I'd be, you know, like surprised, like I can't believe that, that hurt, you know. So Chuck and Kenny was the only guys that ever thought that, you know,

That's a weird psychology. I don't think that's the best way to approach it. Me either. I don't really get at it. Is there ever a comedian that walks out? I was like, hey, I'm probably going to bomb, but I'm going to do the best I can. I'm going to play this guitar the best I can. I don't know. Sometimes people talk like that, but I think they're fishing for compliments.

for their own self. Yeah, I think drive and I hope this works well. And then friends are, come on, man, you're fucking hilarious. Yeah. I kill it. I think they might be like fishing for compliments. Yeah. Kind of like you're tired and it's down and it's like, dude, come on, man, it will be open. Hit me. Yeah. Mustard, too. I know you're limping. Hit me. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You need a little of that sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. I think these experiences that we have that when we were related to people, it's

It's one of the only places, like in podcasts, the only places where you can hear it this way. And I think that's what we're battling against. We're battling against the media representations of hunting, which is almost entirely negative. And these perceptions that people have that hunters are cruel, and then there's this term trophy. Yeah. That's the mule deer that I kill with right now. That's the first. Say that's all killed.

I love that. And you know, you could say that this is not a trophy mule deer. It's not a very big mule deer.

far as mule deer's go, this is, you know, mature buck, but he's not a big one. Oh, he's beautiful. To me, this is where it all started. And this is a trophy. This is not, if you went to a trophy unit and you shot a deer like this, people are like, what are you doing? Why'd you shoot this? Why didn't you hold out for a big mature one? But this is, like the term trophy gets thrown around and unfortunately has a negative connotation. But I think Ted puts it the best way, Ted Nugent. Yep.

He says, it's all the things. It's food, it's trophy, it's sport. It's all those things together. I don't think of it as a sport, like you said. I think the term sport, sports are awesome. Don't get me wrong.

But it's not significant enough for what hunting is. 100% of life. You're taking a life, you're feeding yourself with that life. It's more powerful than sport. And that's why when you call it this sport of hunting, I'm like, I don't like that term.

I agree with that too. As a matter of fact, if there's any negative thing, I think the hunting industry and even TV shows that we produce can put a negative vibe potentially on trying to kill these big trophy animals. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with it. I mean, you're hunting Utah in places where we get a chance to hunt. Absolutely, you're looking for, in that case, a seven to eight year old bull.

You know, sometimes they might score 320 to 370. At the end of the day, the trophy is for sure a mature animal. But you also got to keep in perspective, especially if you grow up where I did, where literally there's, you know, 10 guys shared a 300 acre property that they just want a deer hunt and they're trying to get away. Keep in mind, they're still managing a family. They're still dealing with the economy. They're still dealing with everyday strife of, man, how am I going to get off work?

still get my kid to soccer practice or football practice. My wife has pissed off. I hadn't even took her to Applebee's in the last three months. And it's like, I didn't take the kids to Disney World. And the only family picture we got in front of the show needs big boys. So man, what am I going to do? But in the back of my mind, I was like, I sure would like to get off. Maybe Saturday, I could spend a little time and go over to the hunt list.

hang out, maybe get a chance to shoot a deer. They're not necessarily thinking, I got to kill a deer to put it in Pope and Young and Arbonne Crockett. They're looking, it's more than just a hunt. It is a getaway. It's a, I call it, it's the cheapest, you know, anti-depressment, presence you can get on to where you can clear your mind, you can get away.

Hopefully you can turn your phone off, get up in the tree stand or a saddle, whatever it is where you hunt public and private. And we miss that in the hunting industry so many times. And there's people that are literally busting their ass for their family. It's not a sport to hunt, but it's therapeutic. They grew up doing it to be able to set around a fire with other men and women sometimes and get away.

to cleanse yourself of everything that's going on. And unfortunately, I think that's what drives people sometimes crazy in the, even in the city. Sometimes I walked around Austin today early, had me a nice breakfast and I just walked around and ended up running to this children's network that was trying to raise money where you can kind of adopt a kid and give them so much a month. So man, I did. Like, yeah, I talked to everybody. I just said, Hey man, what y'all selling over here? Like, Oh man, normally people don't come up and talk to us. We have to sell them as a guy from Europe and

And a sweet girl that was, you could tell that born and raised right around here. Anyway, with that said, I ended up, you know, I said, man, I want to pledge some money every month. So I picked me out of kid in Guatemala. And so anyway, with that said, about that time, here comes a street person and he is cussing me and her and that fell out. I mean, the most vile words, you could, I mean, cussing like a sailor, as they would say, metaphorically. And I'm like, man, what's wrong with this guy? So I said, see, y'all get this a lot, you know, and it was just before, not far from when I come over here.

And the girl said, yeah, we do get that a lot. And the guy with the British accent or the European accent said, you know, we get it quite a bit, you know, he said, but I think there's a bad batch of something right now. And I'm like, oh, really? And he said, you know, he said, man, people have been really mean lately. They've been yelling and cussing and screaming at us. And well, by the time a guy comes back and he's like, you M Fers, I know everything and everybody's retarded. And I'm like, and he's right there. And I'm at the point to where

Man, you know, I ain't scared and you can tell their experience that more than I do. And I'm sitting there watching this guy. And then all of a sudden he's just yelling and screaming. I said, Hey buddy, I said, just so you know, we on your side, man, we love you, bro. I said, you right. You know a lot more than people realize. You know a hell of a lot more than people realize. And I said, you cool. I'm on your team. So were they. And he said, and it was crazy. Joey looked at him and he said, thank you. He left.

And it hit me, it was so weird. I got a little off track when I was talking about hunting, but I thought, man, the dude don't even really want to be understood. He wants to be heard. And I thought, how ironic that I'm going to speak with Joe today. And anyway, the girl and the guy says, I've never seen that happen. Like, that just got diffused. He treated him like a human. Yeah. And sometimes,

It's almost like I've never figured out completely a lady, my wife. Sometimes it's always a game. I've learned that I don't know that I'll ever understand exactly what it is she wants, but I know she wants me to hear and pay attention.

society's doing, whether you're a hunter, whether you're from the city. But overall, what I have found, whether you live in the city or the country, whether you get a chance to go to a rave or go to the mothership, which I hope to go by there at night, I just want to check out the joint. And so anyway, when it's all said and done, there's something about the peace and tranquility that you can refuel out in the woods.

And it brings everything to a focal point. And you can be still and be quiet. And it brings everything back. And so in reality, it's not about people going to think of you different if you shoot the biggest high-scoring animal that you can put into the Bop and Young or the Boon Crockett record books. I think those of us, once we learn to respect each other and love each other's goals, that, yeah, if I know that you're a goal is to shoot, say, a 390 bull,

that one day, you know, I'll get a call and you're going to be hyperventilating, you're like, I just did it. Like, what? Like, dude, I swear, you know? Well, for people who don't understand why that's so interesting to us, it's because they're the most difficult ones to get because they're the older, wiser ones.

And also, when you look at it from a conservation standpoint, those are the ones that you want to hunt because those are the ones who spread their genes and they're probably about to get taken out by nature anyway. Correct. If you get an eight-year-old elk or a nine-year-old elk or a 10-year-old elk, how many years do they have left? I shot one 10-year-old elk once. His teeth were worn out almost nothing. Just an old tank. How much time did he have left?

If most likely he was going to either starve to death or freeze death or get stabbed in a fight with another elk, he'd get stabbed and wind up. Mount line, jump on him or freeze to death or, you know, a number of other very, very cruel endings that mean I shot that elk at 40 yards. It was a perfect shot. He was down in 15 seconds. It was no tracking. So it's like that elk died the best way possible. Yes, he did. He's not.

He's not, they don't live forever and become angels. And that is a very good death compared to a pack of wolves or a mountain lion. You start to eat on you sometimes before they're even deceased. It happens all the time. There's so many of these. Especially bears. Oh, bears are brutal, man. Bears are very brutal and selfish animals, man. Crazy like hunting bears is the thing you get the most hate for.

Oh, everybody thinks they're cuddly. I mean, I don't know if it's a Winnie the Pooh type of thing. A hundred percent. But it's like teddy bears and yogi and all that shit. We're all distorted. Like when people say you've hunt bears, I've eaten bears. I've eaten three bears. They're delicious. Yeah. Like what? You eat bears? I'm like, I'll make you some bear sausage and I'll tell you what, you will fucking love it. Especially if I don't tell you what it is. You would go, what is this? This is great. It seems like beef but different.

And then if they knew how a bear's personality was, they would want to kill them. Oh, they'll kill their own kids to breed mama to eat them. I mean, it's just a brutal world. That was things before I even had a chance to hunt that I recognized just domestically, raising rabbits. Those rabbits would sometimes kill the little baby rabbits.

for the right and opportunity to breed again real quick with the female in the pen. And I realized in my pop off, I said, you got to separate them. That book rabbit killed that. Man, I didn't know that. I'm 10 or 11 years old trying to figure out how to raise some rabbits or watching hogs, pigs. It always had on a raised floor pen. It had to raise up a few hogs. Man, them jokers were trying to kill each other, mean. You know who does it? Dolphins. Dolphins, are they brutal like that? Dolphins, we think of them as sweet and intelligent. They commit infantricide all the time.

What dolphin females have to do is they have to breed with as many males as possible because when a female dolphin has babies, she has to take care of that baby for about six years. So when the male dolphins recognize a female with babies and they don't know that female, those are not his babies, he'll kill those babies. So that female dolphin will breed. So he wants to breed her. So she will breed with everybody possible so nobody knows who the babies are.

And so since they're intelligent, they understand that they've bred with that female before, so that could be their babies, so they don't kill them. So basically, all the dolphins are hoes. All hoes. Yeah, that's how they have to be. Otherwise their babies get killed. So they've adopted this polyamorous strategy to try to kill to keep the male dolphins from killing the babies. Well, that's amazing. I mean, you watch the breeding season during elk, like you was talking about fighting. And ironically, they never

They never get things confused. Those males are looking for the females. The females know that I'm going to breed with this dude and the strongest survive. And a lot of people say, oh, they're really not trying to kill each other. No, you wasn't out there. I didn't watch this on that Geo. They're trying to murder each other. Oh, I've seen some amazing epic elk fights and some of the greatest things to see in nature, these big

800-pound animals running at each other with swords growing out of their heads. It sounds like a clash. Like some kind of Scottish fight back in the 1400s. Like a sword fight almost. It's like cracking baseball bats together against each other. And you hear it loud. You're like, oh shit, they're fighting.

It's crazy to watch the brutality of it. You'll find them occasionally dead, because one of them is stabbed one. I think I have video of it on my phone. We were hunting him. He had a 6-inch tine sticking out of his neck.

Holy cow. It was broken off sticking out of his neck and he's still running his cows and bugling. I'm sure I have it. We had the same summer thing in New Mexico this year. Nick Munt, who's one of my best friends, we hung a lot together. He shot a good bull like first morning. I was calling it was classic man bull come in. He shot it and we were keeping him out there on the side of the hill.

And all of a sudden, you look at here, man, he had a tie again about four inches and it broke off. Just right. All pussed up. And this dude still come in. Yeah, I'm going to sign Jamie this picture because it's so or the video because it's so crazy.

It's so cool though to see that and experience it. And I think it's sad that most people don't know. And there's a lot of very smart people that in some cases they think it might be a little beneath them to understand what maybe hunting is truly about other than maybe what they see on a Walt Disney movie. And I think that is definitely

kind of fueled me to be able to help educate and talk about those things. And I know Renella has done an amazing job of introducing that too. And there's a lot of great ambassadors that we got right now doing that.

Yeah, it's a great time to be educated about this. And it's a great time. And there's a lot of people that have gotten it really interested in hunting from those kind of conversations with Renella and with Can. No doubt. How did you eventually get started doing it? Because that's every young guy's dream that has ever hunted. Like, oh my God, imagine making a living doing that. That's what I would love to do.

Man, how did you pull that off? One of the coolest stories actually, and only in America, you don't hear the story in Turkmenistan, but I grew up, obviously, like I said, rule. I loved to hunt and fish. Very simple, my dad was a contractor, so I really thought that I wanted to maybe work with my dad or do what he did, hands-on labor. I knew I didn't want to be in office anyway.

I'll try to keep it short, but basically what I end up doing is just enthralled. My mom passed away when I was young, 16, and so my dad and I become more like brothers, and my dad, he had a night trade education, the hardest working man I've ever been around. And so anyway, we loved hunting fish and to become therapeutic. And so I got a turkey calling and had won some contest and met some of my turkey calling heroes, and that's where I met

Bill, Jordan, and David Blanton. And I started guiding when I was probably 19. And then one thing led to another, started working full time there at Realtree.