2025 Tax Changes You Can’t Afford to Ignore!
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November 18, 2024
TLDR: November is for year-end tax planning, with new contribution limits and tax brackets for 2025, including additions from SECURE 2.0. Learn simplified strategies to build wealth faster.
In this episode of The Money Guys Show, hosts Brent and Brian delve into significant tax changes for 2025, emphasizing the importance of year-end tax planning and new IRS contribution limits alongside SECURE Act 2.0 adjustments. With continual changes in tax regulations, it's vital for both individuals and businesses to stay informed and adjust their strategies accordingly.
Key Tax Changes for 2025
1. Increased Contribution Limits in Retirement Plans
- For 401(k), 403(b), 457, and Thrift Savings Plans, the salary deferral limit increases by $500 in 2025 from $23,000 to $23,500.
- Total employee and employer contribution ceilings rise from $69,000 to $70,000.
- Catch-Up Contributions for those aged 50+ remain at $7,500.
- Super Catch-Up Contributions introduced for those turning 60, 61, 62, or 63 in 2025 enable an additional $3,750, allowing contributions up to $11,250 for eligible individuals.
2. Changes for Long-Term Part-Time Employees
- Participation in employer-sponsored retirement plans is now easier for long-term part-time employees, defined as those completing 500 hours over two consecutive 12-month periods and aged 21 or older by the end of that period.
- This change broadens eligibility and encourages businesses to offer retirement benefits to more employees, including seasonal and part-time workers.
3. IRA Contributions Remain Steady
- For both Traditional and Roth IRAs, contribution limits will stay the same, with a total of $7,000 for those under 50 and an additional $1,000 for catch-up contributions for those aged 50 and above.
- Similarly, Simple IRAs see a slight increase from $16,000 to $16,500 in salary deferral limits.
4. Health Savings Accounts (HSAs)
- Contribution limits for HSAs will see an increase; individuals can contribute $4,300 (up from $4,150), while families can contribute $8,550 (up from $8,300), encouraging higher savings in tax-advantaged health accounts.
5. 529 and ABLE Account Contributions
- The contribution limit for 529 Plans increases from $18,000 to $19,000 in 2025, coinciding with the annual gift exclusion limit.
- ABLE accounts will share similar limits, emphasizing the growing importance of education and disability savings.
Strategic Implications
- Year-End Planning: As 2024 closes, it's crucial to revise contribution limits in your retirement plans to avoid missing out on maximizing your benefits.
- Engagement: Both individuals and employers should engage with their financial advisors or HR departments to ensure these changes are effectively utilized for optimal savings and tax advantages.
- Long-term Perspective: The increase in contribution limits, while seemingly small, can significantly impact financial growth over time. Subtle increases in annual contributions can compound to create substantial retirement savings.
Conclusion
Understanding and adapting to the 2025 tax changes is vital for personal finance success. By leveraging increased contribution limits and making informed decisions, individuals can enhance their financial freedom and security. The Money Guys encourage listeners to actively participate in their financial journeys and make the most of these legislative changes, which embody opportunities for smarter savings and investment strategies.
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2025 tax changes, you can't afford to ignore. Brent, I am so excited to talk about this because we know that there are two things that are certain, death and taxes. And in that same vein, one of the things we know about taxes is that they change and the rules change and the things that we need to know about to positively impact our tax situation also change. And I'm excited that we can share some of those things.
Yeah, this is one of those annual traditions that I think about it. And this past year was a special year because we had the final transcript for millionaire mission needed to be updated with 2024 numbers. And I was like, come on, it's November. When are these numbers showing up? And then I think about also the special relationship as you get a year older, a year longer in your career.
If you want something that makes you seem old and senile, it's these angle changes because every year, I'm like, so the 401k max this year is what? 22,000? 22,000? I was like, no, it's 23,000 soon to be 23,000. And I'm like, oh, gosh, I still, you know, so this is where we're going to catch you up. There will not be any mystery to what's coming your way in 2025.
That's exactly right. The IRS has now released these new inflation adjusted contribution amounts. We're going to make sure you know them because a lot of us like to do our year-end planning at the end of the year. And one of the things that we do when we do our year-end planning is we set ourselves up to begin planning for the new year as we get
into January, and there's some really unique additions specifically related to Secure Act 2.0 that we want you to know about because for a number of you, they might impact you. And if you can just take a little bit more and put a little bit more aside, oftentimes that can have a huge outcome for you. So let's jump right in, Brian. Let's talk about the first one. Employer-sponsored retirement plan. So these are 401Ks, 403Bs, 457s, Thrift Savings Plan,
In 2024, the salary deferral limit, the amount that you could defer from your paycheck into these plans in 2024 was 23,000. In 2025, it is increasing by $500 to $23,500. Well, look, as we come into December, this is something you probably need to go ahead and update, get with your HR.
so that as soon as we've dropped into the new year, this is part of your new year's resolution pact, let's update how much we can put in those salary deferrals. That way you don't have that surprise when you get in your November or December paycheck of next year and go, man, I didn't max out my 401K, I missed it. This is something that you need to update. It's so frustrating when we look at like a client to W2 and we see that they still had 22 or 22.5 as their deferral amount, like, ah, they just didn't update it. Well, in addition to the salary deferrals, if you're someone,
who is taking advantage of like mega backdoor Roth or maybe you just have a very generous employer. The actual section 415 limits are increasing as well. So when you add up all of the employee and all the employer contributions in 2024, the total amount that could go into a defined contribution plan for your benefit was $69,000. That next year is increasing to $70,000.
And then this next category, because I think they were worried about people my age, do you feel like you're maybe having a senior moment? Well, they said, well, you know what, let's keep those catch up contributions for 50 and over the exact same. So there's 7,500 both in 2024, as well as for 2025. Now, this is a unique thing, right? So catch up contributions are staying the same.
Sorta. There is a little bit of an additional change. There are now what are called super ketchup contributions for individuals that are turning 60, 61, 62 or 63 next year. If you happen to be turning one of those ages in 2025, in addition to the $7,500 ketchup contribution you can do, you can also do a super ketchup of 50% of that amount. So you can do another $3,750. So if you are,
59 now and you will be turning 60 or you will be turning 61 or you will be turning 62 or you will be turning 63 in 2025. You can actually do a catch up contribution equal to $11,250.
It's kind of confusing. I like, I think it's awesome. I love people saving more money, but this one just seems like right. I guess it's for people. Even as you're going through that, it felt like you're reading green eggs in hand by Dr. Seuss and Sam. I am. I mean, that is that that's super catch up is that's something special. I mean, I guess a legislator is like, Hey, let's put this in there. And here we are.
Now, it is important to note that these are, this is not a mandatory provision inside a 401k plan. So your plan may not adopt this change. So if you are someone who's 61 years old next year and you go to adjust this in your plan and it swashes, it doesn't let you, that might be because your plan has not adopted it. So when you get those annual updates, when you get those amendments, when you get your summary plan description, when you get the documents related to 401k,
make sure you read through them so that you understand what is available to you, what changes are happening inside of your plan. But you know what I like. Besides people subscribing to our channel, I love it when governments use a good acronym because that government is not going to look past a great opportunity to put an acronym out there and we have one right now.
Yeah, so long-term part-time employees, L-T-P-T, long-term part-time employees, are now it's going to be easier for them to participate in employer-sponsored retirement plans. So this might be seasonal work, or this might be part-time employees who come on at a certain part of the year and then roll off a certain part of the year. These are the requirements in order for those employees to be eligible to participate in an employer-sponsored retirement plan. They have to complete
500 hours of service in two consecutive 12 month periods. If you think about like a 40 hour work week that's full time for like four to five months out of the year and they have to be age 21 by the end of the second 12 month period. So this is something, if you are a business owner, if you are a plan sponsor, you wanna make sure you're paying attention to this because you may have seasonal work or part time work that's now eligible for a benefit that they were not previously eligible for.
and pay attention like internships and other things. This is going to impact a lot of different things. So don't sleep on this because I think, you know, we all want to make 401Ks eligible people as fast as possible, but it is unique when you have seasonal employees and maybe they come their sophomore year of school, maybe they come their junior year of school and you're like, oh, wait a minute, this person is already eligible for the 401K even though they haven't started full-time employment.
So, okay, so that is employer sponsored retirement accounts. Now, let's talk about some other savings vehicles that might be available to you, whether you're an employee or maybe even a self-employed individual. When it comes to IRAs, traditional IRAs and Roth IRAs, guess what?
Contribution limits are not changing. In 2024, the total contribution for those under 50 was $7,000. That will be staying the same in 2025, and catch up contributions for those age 50 and over, also staying the same at $1,000 in 2025.
And Bo talked about, with employer plans, the 415 limits, we'll set RAs, which are only funded by the employer side of things. They did get a pickup. They were 69,000 in 2024. They're now 70,000 going into 2025. And then when it comes to simple RAs, which really we don't.
see a ton of simple IRAs anymore, but if you do work for an employer that has a simple IRA present, the salary deferral is increasing as well. In 2024, it was $16,000 salary deferral. It's going to $16,500 and similar to 401Ks, the catch up contributions are not changing. They will remain at $3,500, but
There are also the super catch up contributions for those individuals age 60 to 63 next year. So if you happen to follow that category and your plan adopts it, there is $5,250 of catch up contributions that you can do to a simple IRA. By the way, if you work for a company that has a simple
Why? Right, right. I mean, seriously, most people have upgraded to 401ks. It's gotten so much cheaper to administer 401ks. So you can get higher, you know, salary deferral limits, you get higher contribution limits as an employer. I'm just surprised it. And look, this is coming from a person who had a small business with a simple IRA because that was the progression. You went SEP IRA when you didn't have employees. You went simple IRA once you added employees. And then once you could afford it and had enough success, it could afford the record keeping you do a 401k.
All that's kind of been changed with innovation and technology lowering the costs. And also, the legislation has made these numbers even better as well, where you can't really ignore because of the spread between the sour deferrals. Well, I think it's interesting. With 401Ks, I love seeing that we're able to save more money. That's an amazing benefit we get to put more money to work. I was a little bummed to see that IRAs didn't increase because we love
tax-free growth. That's why, Brian, do you have the thing that, can you hold up the thing? It's why we have the financial order of operations and step number five are your tax-free savings vehicles. And in 2025, we did not get a boost on the Roth IRA, but you know what we did get a boost on?
Health saves accounts contributions. For 2024, the maximum contribution you could do to an HSA was 4150 for a single individual or 8300 for a family. Those numbers in 2025 are increasing and this is something you need to pay attention to because a lot of folks
have automatic salary deferral arrangement set up where this just comes out of your paycheck into your HSA, every pay period. Well, if you were maxing out at the 4150 or 8300, you need to make sure that you increase it for January because the new limits are 4300 for individuals and 8,550 for families.
Yeah. And then we can, we even brought up be going into education. We were like 529s and able accounts. This is something we could, we could talk about. And we even, we did a little definitive research on this because we all know 529s are unique in the fact that you can kind of stack your contributions for years. You can add like five years into one year if you make that election. So you can really over fund these things. But the typical
maximum in the past was for 2024 is 18,000 for 2025 is 19,000. And that's because that's the annual gift exclusion. Able accounts, we were trying to figure out, do they have the same like stacking provision that 529 is? Because they're built on the same platform. We found through the Social Security Administration, no, they are limited by whatever the annual funding limit, gift limit is. So it is going from 18,000 to 19,000 in 2025.
I love it. It's amazing that while these may not seem like significant changes, just being able to increase how much you're saving into your 401k and just being able to increase how much you're saving into your HSA. If you were to add those two up every year, that's going to be about 650 more dollars that you're able to get
into tax advantage accounts. And while that may seem small and that may seem significant, if you can do that next year and the year after and the year after, time can be the most powerful part of your entire financial journey. If you don't believe us, we have a deliverable, you can go out to moneyguy.com slash resources and download this deliverable. What can 1% more
do or what 1% more can do for you. And it shows the power of that small marginal saving. If I can start today and get my money working for me, it's going to allow my future self to have a great, big, beautiful tomorrow. And it does not take a lot today. It just takes time and discipline to put it in a book.
But it is a small decisions to create that great, big, beautiful tomorrow. It's that small, incremental decision. You think about Lake, even the Coosie, the $1 for a 20, 21-year-old has the potential to become 88. We had somebody in the studio. Phil was in here not too long ago. And I loved how he kind of laid it out when we were showing some things. He said, I thought about this in terms of Tom. And that's kind of what you can take this 1% is that maybe one month
worth of your work or even one week might be covering months if not years of your future selves retirement. So that 1% which might seem like absolutely nothing. A rounding error can actually have significant impacting your future self, so don't sleep on that.
You can also find 2025 tax brackets, standard deductions, and more in our 2025 tax guide. So if you're not using this as a quick reference and a resource, make sure you do that. You can get it at moneyguide.com slash resources. And if you want a deeper dive into some of these tax changes that are coming and how they may impact your back pocket,
make sure you subscribe at moneyguy.com slash beyond basics. We have an article coming out this Thursday that's going to give you the details and let you dive into all of the changes that you can expect next year and how you can use them to ultimately do money better.
So you're probably recognizing, if you're brand new to the show and we know that there are about 45% of you that are constantly coming in to the family here is that we are a little nerdy. Yeah, we do a lot of the behavioral stuff. We'll focus on the good habits that you need to be focusing on, but we'll also give you the deets on what you need to be doing tax policy wise. And I gotta tell you, 2025 is a big year because we just had an election. I know, look, we're all like,
Hey, the election's over. So now we can get on with our lives. Well, in 2025, there's gonna be a lot of tax stuff going on because we have a lot of stuff that was set to sunset. And now we know that that's going to be on the front of the legislative agenda is looking at tax policy. We will be your scoop. We'll be able to hook you up on that. And remember, we're very clear. We don't do politics. We don't do religion. We're just trying to help you make the best decisions, but we're gonna keep you on the cutting edge of knowing what you need to do with your personal finances.
Now we love that we can stay abreast of these changes, that we can know what's going on in the financial world, but we also love that we can speak to the things that you care about. We want to make sure we're a resource to help you in your financial life. And so with that, every Tuesday morning at 10 a.m., we love to be here answering your questions in the live chats. So right now we have the team out in the wings collecting your questions and we want to load you up. So if you have a question, make sure you get it in the chat right now with that.
Creative Director Rebi, I'm going to throw it over to you. Oh yeah, I've got one queued up. We're going to kick it off with a question from Jonathan V. He says, What do you think about this?
yes so okay so this is a great question jonathan what the the if it is of his question is he understands the mathematics that if we make some tax rate assumptions if i'm in a higher tax bracket now and i think i'll be lower later if i'm a lower tax bracket now higher later
Roth dollars and traditional dollars are not the same. If I have one dollar that's going into Roth, it's actually after tax money. If I have one dollar that's going in traditional, it's pre-tax money. So I'm not actually saving the same nominal amount of money when I compare those two things.
So what we tell people early on is that when it comes to building for your financial future, when it comes to figuring out how you're going to save, we want to make it as simple as possible so that you can master the behavior. That's why we shoot for 20 to 25%. Because if you can do that, odds are you're going to set yourself up for future financial success. But then,
as you begin moving along in your financial journey, we know that personal finance becomes incredibly personal and what you will find out, what you will learn as you're moving along in your financial journey is you may recognize because you've been maxing out Roth and you took advantage of HSA and you've built up all through your 20s and all through your 30s and as you get
into your 40s, you may do the Know Your Number course and arrive at the conclusion. Man, I am well on my way to financial independence. I'm doing the things that I'm supposed to be doing. And because of my account structure, maybe I don't have to save 25% anymore. Maybe my savings rate for the rest of my career needs to be 16%, 17%, 18%.
That's a decision that you make as you begin to build out your financial plan later on in your financial journey, not one that you make right at the very beginning. Oh, if I'm going to do Roth, I'm going to save less or if I do pre-tax, I'm going to save less. If you start making those assessments too early, I think you're going to be selling yourself short.
Joth, I'll go ahead and give it to you straight. There are two things going on here. We got to get the actual behavior right and the good habits make them as easy as possible, and then keeping the bad behaviors minimized as much as possible. So always focus on the behavioral side of things first. And then we're going to get into the execution or the fine-tuning later. And that's exactly what we've done with the financial order of operations. So many Americans, and this is something financial mutants struggle with, is that they get into the minutiae
of how to execute this to maximize it and they leave behind a lot of the behavioral and other things. So that's why if you'll notice in the financial order of operations, we got you covered because we are so nerdy. We focus on both of these things when we design this steps one through three all the way to four is to make sure you get in the free money and making sure that you're you're not making desperate decisions because you didn't even have access to emergency reserves. We get to five and six. These are the
Make wealth phase you got to ensure that you're actually getting wealthy through saving and investing creating your army of dollar bills So that's why I win steps five. We got doing the Roth the HSA because those are tax-free growth opportunities step six with maxing out retirement This is exactly what you're talking about is 20 to 25 percent if you go to money got comm slash resources We'll show you why we landed on 2025 percent because if you started it like the majority of Americans do in your
30s. It's going to land on about 25% from a behavioral standpoint of what you need to be saving and investing to be successful. If you start in your 20s, it's going to get that much easier. If you wait until your 40s, you're going to have to save even more. That leads to your question.
is, wait a minute, you guys, it is different when you're looking at a Roth account versus an after tax account versus a tax deferred account where you took the deduction on the front end. Well, you're exactly right, Jonathan. That's why in step seven, hyper accumulation. After you've gotten to saving and investing 20 to 25%, you move on to the hyper accumulation. And this is the first step where we say, hey, it's not just about making the wealth and the good behaviors and the habits that got you there.
It's about how are you actually going to use this money in retirement. And this is exactly why if somebody is part of the fine movement or AKA or previously known as fire movement where you think you're moving on to something else in your 40s or 50s, you're going to need to structure your accounts different than somebody who says, I love my job. I love what I'm doing. I'm going to do this until I'm age 70. That is a completely different goal and it's going to require a completely different account structure.
So that's why we do make those determinations and those differentiations in step seven of hyperaccumulation, where we'll say, yeah, without a doubt, you're going to need more of an after-tax bridge account. Or if you're one of these people, maybe your income's structured in a unique way where you can do mega Roth, we're going
need even more in that tax-free account because of the benefits. And I think you can see, look, I just don't want you getting hyper-focused on just the tax savings or that this dollar amount is not the same here because there's some deferred taxation within there. It's get you through the behavior components and then we'll connect the math as we get into step seven. And that's why if you need to focus on all nine steps of the financial order of operations. Great.
Awesome. Jonathan V, thank you for your question. It is Tumblr Day. I just remembered. I almost forgot. But how could I forget? If you would like a Money Guy Tumblr, just email winner at moneyguy.com. And we'd love to send you one, Jonathan, as a thank you. You made a mistake there. What? It's not just a Tumblr. Oh. It is also... I'm so sorry. Quack, quack, quack, quack, quack. Akoozy. It's true. It actually makes a great Tumblr and a great Koozy. So don't sell this thing short. Has multiple skills. Well, Jonathan, you can have one if you would like.
All right, Craig W's question. Hang on, I think my nose is grand. Do you just lie about something? You know, every time, every time I take a drink. I know, I've never noticed. I've never noticed. Now every time I drink, listen, that has never been a problem before. So either this thing or my nose is grand. So we're gonna have to, okay, I'm sorry.
joys of a live show. There we go. That part was for free. You're welcome. Let us know if you think Brian's nose is different. No, don't tell me. That was not inviting comments on my nose length, because we all know men's noses and ears to continue to grow. So I think so. I've always heard that noses and ears grow. You've got a legitimate thing. Is that like an old wives' tale? I've never heard that. I don't know. We all know I'm very self-deprecating about my age, but we don't need to add to it.
That's okay, but but it is This thing sideways exciting he's good. He's gonna spill spill drink all over himself guaranteed Mm-hmm. I'm forward to it Craig W. Yeah, Craig W. He has a question for you
He says, do you believe in paying off a 24K family debt at 0% interest as quickly as possible? We can pay what we want each month, but feel short-term struggle for a quicker way to freedom is the way. But what are your thoughts? Do you believe in paying off a 24,000, our family debt at 0% quickly? We want to pay each month, but feel short-term struggle for quicker freedom.
Okay, so I'm gonna make a bunch of assumptions here, right? I gotta make assumptions that you borrowed some money from family. Maybe this is parents, maybe it's grandparents. And they were in a position where they said, hey, I'm gonna give you zero percent. One, I think that's incredible. Assuming this was something where like, it was an opportunity, hey, I need to go out and I'm gonna go buy my first car and I've gotta borrow money and I'm gonna follow 23.8. And the auto dealership told me that my first auto loan is gonna be eight and a half percent.
and mom and dad or aunt and uncle or grandma grandpa said, hey, you know what? We will loan you the money. We'll loan you $24,000. You pay us back and we're going to do zero percent. If you come from a situation like that, I am not of the opinion that you should feel guilty or feel bad or think that that's like a negative thing. I think it's wonderful that you just happen to have the opportunity where that's available to you.
What you have to do is you have to recognize the benefit of the opportunity that you have, but also the responsibility of the, of the social contract that you've entered into. Cause yeah, if you're thinking about mathematical optimization, okay, great. I've got this $24,000 loan. I'll just never pay it back and it's zero percent interest forever and it'll just sit out there.
I think that that would be taking advantage of an opportunity that's presented to you. So what I would love to see you do is I would love to see, because again, it depends on the type of debt, depends on your financial situation, I would want for you to find a reasonable method and mechanism to pay it off over a timeline that makes sense for you as well as the lender. So if it's like three years, five years, 10 years, I don't know, again, I don't know your situation or the specifics of this, because what I don't want to see you do is because it is zero percent,
I don't know that I want to see you focusing on paying off this debt as quickly as possible to knock it out. Instead of doing things like getting your employer matched instead of doing things like putting money in a Roth IRA instead of doing things like an HSA. But I also don't want to see you taking advantage of a generous family member simply because you can. There's some, there's some tension there in the middle that you'll have to figure out. Agree, disagree, you want to fight.
I remember when I was taking legal studies in accounting. I loved that I had to take two quarters of legal studies as an accountant. One of the first things or one of the curious things I learned was that in law,
Love is consideration when it comes to family members. And we know that our parents love us and they'll do anything for us. And sometimes that creates where there's unclear expectations or communication on what is expected. And I've shared a millionaire mission. I share cash is such a valuable thing in the financial order of operations.
that, um, if I could have had another hand, I'd hold up even more stuff, but it's, um, that it actually gets two steps in the financial order operations, both step one and four. And I even detailed my, my knowledge comes a lot of times from also experience and the struggle. And I got in a point with, uh, when I was first starting to, to do the adult thing,
That i really screwed up with credit cards and some other stuff and i had to call my parents and they they let me some money and then when i can't wait to go pay them back they like don't worry about it. I remember no i was a principal thing for me is because i was in a down and desperate and i felt like i had not closed the loop on my change of becoming a different person with the way i viewed.
this that I've forced the issue of paying them back the few hundred bucks. Now your situation's a little different, Craig, is that you're talking about $24,000. Sounds significant. But here's the thing where, and you need to go revise this if this was not set up on the front end.
is that anytime you're doing these family engagements, I would first design a plan of success, meaning on the front end, what are the assumptions and the expectations from both parties, meaning that you'll have a five-year plan, did you have a seven-year plan, do you have even a 10-year plan? Whenever you're doing this stuff for a loved one,
tell them there's nothing wrong with helping out loved ones but put it on the front in what your expectation is now if your parents said hey we're gonna do this this is a tax strategy because it's slightly beyond what the annual gift tax exclusion is we're gonna give you this money and then we'll slowly forgive it that's a completely different thing but it's if you feel like that there was this desire this was not a gift this truly was alone
You need to go back and maybe revisit that conversation with your parents or whatever family member worked this out. And then assuming you're now, you have the assumptions set up of what their anticipation is on when you should pay this back. If you now get to steps eight, nine of the financial order of operations, a zero percent interest rate is a low interest rate.
Ball means, I think you pay this thing back even ahead of schedule of what they're anticipating getting that money back. But you've got to go through those several determination steps. Was this a gift or is this a loan? Because those are very distinct different things.
Also, set yourself up a plan of success, know what they're anticipating and expecting, and then treat this like, you know, a step eight or nine type thing where you are going to prepay it. I mean, pay it back because it's a low interest rate, and that's your obligation.
Can I do like a little soap so boxy thing? Yeah. This is unsolicited advice, but I'm going to give it to you anyways. Because I know you and I both run into this where, you know, there've been people in our lives at some point where they've been in a spot and they needed to borrow some money, right? And we were in a place where we were able to do that.
And that's fine. First thing, if you're ever gonna let someone borrow money, family member or otherwise, in my estimation, it's always a good idea to assume you're never gonna get that money back. Like when you go into it, don't go into it with any preconceived notions, because what'll happen is, is something goes squirrely, it gets like, it can get real nasty, especially when it's with family. But have you ever seen this happen? Somebody borrowed money and they're like, we're in a tight spot and they need to pay it. But then all of a sudden, they just start making financial decisions and you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,
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And now you're no longer in that place of need. I do think it's reasonable to honor the folks that lynch you the money and don't just start like wilding out. You know, is that, is that very, because that's something, especially if this came from an ask of need is because I have experienced that where you help somebody out.
with the anticipation. This is not a gift. This is a loan because I get it. The economy stinks right now. I don't want you to lose that vehicle. I don't want you to put your family through this. I can help you out. And then it is amazing that, you know, better days start coming.
And, and I know this is, I think the person who's struggling, you look at the person that gave you money like they're doing good. They don't need the money. They don't need the money back, but it's back to the behavioral things. And I'm glad you brought that up. It's because it's true. If you got this out of need and now you're starting to do some.
extras, you know, that are vis of publicly visible. Um, you might need to revisit that because I've experienced that. And then, you know, one of the worst things, even though you're right, Bo, it is a, you probably don't want to do this with loved ones or family unless you consider it a gift, but it does break your heart when you see that they, that even though they came to you need and they, they treated it and they called it alone and said, without a doubt, I'm going to pay you back. And then they, they basically ignore paying you back. You just, you just, you're disappointed. You're disappointed in it.
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Man, money in family's hearts. It's so hard. I mean, it's just, that stuff's tough. I do like what Beau said of like, hey, if you're the one that's giving the money, just even if they're gonna pay you back, like mentally treat it as a gift, like I'm just trying to help this person out. It's probably for the best, just for everybody's relationship. And I have to counsel people a lot. They're like, hey, I'm in a good spot. So-and-so needs help. I want to be able to help them out. And I will tell people, hey, you can do this, but you cannot afford it.
Because whenever I loan money to family, I approach is, hey, assume you will never see this money again. And if all of a sudden that money was just stricken off of your ledger, would you still be okay? And if the answer is no, then maybe you're not in a position where you should be loaning that money out.
Yeah, I've even made that mistake here at the office. I mean, where I found out somebody had really bad credit card debt. Oh, there's a number. Yeah, and then you help them out, and then I don't know. You have to make money as money's a hard tool. It's a hard tool. Good conversation, though. Again, thanks for your question, Craig.
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