197 - The Next Generation of Military Weapons ft. Kevin Brittingham | Unsubscribe Podcast Ep 197
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January 27, 2025
TLDR: Kevin shares his exciting adventures in Africa while discussing guns with Eli_Doubletap, Brandon Herrera, Donut Operator, and The Fat Electrician.

In episode 197 of the Unsubscribe Podcast, host Donut Operator and guests Eli Doubletap, Brandon Herrera, and Kevin Brittingham share engaging discussions about innovative military weapons, particularly focusing on the development of cutting-edge firearms. Kevin recounts his recent adventures in Africa, where he not only tested these firearms but also enjoyed the thrill of hunting.
Key Highlights
The Boom Box
- Introduction of the Boom Box: Kevin Brittingham discusses the Boom Box, a new firearm designed to replace traditional submachine guns like the MP5. The Boom Box is lighter and optimized for suppressor use.
- Specifications: With a caliber allowing for both subsonic and supersonic ammo, it weighs around 5 pounds with a compact design, making it significantly lightweight for its power.
- Performance: The firearm demonstrates remarkable recoil control and accuracy, outperforming many traditional weapons. Guests agree that it feels like shooting a much lighter caliber weapon due to its exceptional engineering.
Hunting Adventures in Africa
- Extended Stay: Kevin shares insights from his extended trip to Africa, where he was hunting and testing the Boom Box. His journey included flying from Johannesburg to various hunting locations.
- Cultural Insights: He describes the different dynamics of hunting in Africa and how culture intertwines with the hunting community, highlighting conservation efforts and the ethical discussions surrounding big game hunting.
- Adventure and Connection to Nature: Kevin emphasizes the freedom of hunting in Africa versus life in America, noting how these experiences foster a heightened appreciation for nature and wildlife.
Development of the 8-6 Blackout
- Design Philosophy: The podcast outlines the innovative 8-6 blackout, created to improve upon existing rounds like the .300 Blackout. Kevin explains the design choices aimed at maximizing performance while ensuring reliability in diverse environments.
- Practical Applications: Kevin hints at the various uses and advantages of the 8-6 blackout for hunters and military personnel alike, discussing its superior penetration ability.
Engineering and Manufacturing Practices
- Quality Control: Discussing the importance of a functional engineering team, Kevin highlights his commitment to producing high-quality firearms. He emphasizes the need for constant iteration and testing to ensure that every product surpasses the last in quality.
- Employee Engagement: Kevin reflects on the culture within his company, where engineers are deeply involved in the manufacturing and testing of firearms, ensuring the highest standards of quality and innovation.
- Community Building: He expresses a passion for nurturing a dedicated and skilled workforce, praising the engineers and staff for their efforts in creating exceptional firearms.
Practical Takeaways
- Adventurous Spirit: The podcast encourages listeners to explore new adventures, particularly those that push them out of their comfort zones, like hunting or learning about new technologies in the firearms industry.
- Conservation Awareness: Listeners are reminded of the role that responsible hunting plays in wildlife conservation, and how it can benefit local communities and ecosystems.
- Innovative Mindset: Emphasizing creativity and innovation, the podcast serves as a call to action for listeners to pursue excellence in their fields, whether in engineering, hunting, or other passions.
Conclusion
Episode 197 of the Unsubscribe Podcast offers a rich blend of humor, insight, and expert discussion on the evolving landscape of military weapons, spearheaded by Kevin Brittingham's innovative projects. It invites audiences to appreciate the intricate balance between technology, wildlife, and the responsibilities that come with hunting and firearms ownership. With a mix of practical tips and engaging stories, the episode resonates with both enthusiasts and newcomers to the topics discussed.
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Hi everyone, welcome to the unsubscribe podcast. I'm joined today by Eli Doubletap, Mr. Kevin Burningham, Brandon Herrera, and myself, Donut Operator, also known as King Trout. It's like I can still hear his voice. Donut died. Tracer accident. It just starts like that. It's like, God dang. The death of Donut. Okay.
There we go. Now we got it all. Luckily it is cold. Hi everyone. Welcome to do it. It's a boy. Kevin's back. Kevin has been what a year. How long to go? Maybe I don't know a year and a half. Yeah, at least a year. We had just moved into this house, I think.
Right? I wasn't sure. I don't know. Yeah. Something like that. I'm drawing blanks. Drawing blanks. It was good to have you back, buddy. We asked to see. Do we accidentally ran into each other? Yeah. The Boston live show. We're like halfway through our second string of the live tour and we're heading to Boston. And or excuse me, we're, yeah, yeah, we're heading to Boston from Atlanta. And then we just, I see a guy across the bar. I was like, Tam, that guy kind of looks like Kevin. And then we do the whole like,
Spider-Man meme like it is Kevin. Where are you coming back from? Well general Herrera Africa so yeah, we're just flying back from Africa. We're doing some you know testing hunting shooting good times Very nice. It was weird to run into you guys. Oh, well, it was not strange running you at the ball. But at the end Well in the same place. Yeah, that's cool
We might, yeah, you missed the Boston show. You're like, I'm going and then we started day drinking, morning drinking, let's be honest. And then fly drinking and then landing. And then you were pretty spin after that.
Well, I think so, but we'd been hunting in Africa. I'd been in Africa for probably six or seven weeks. And then the flight's very long. Put that right. Yeah, and the mic is closer now. Treat it like a dick. Yeah, there we go. Thank you. Yeah, so no, I was so hyped to see you guys. I want to come down to the Boston show. We did halfway back on a landing Boston. It's an hour to my house.
And halfway there, I'm falling asleep and I'm like, ah, I've been traveling for like 36 hours. There's no way I'm going to boss until two in the morning. No hurt feelings on that one. Fuck that travel. So I apologize, but I really wanted to see you guys, but not that badly. The traveling is so taxing. It seems like an easy thing. You're like, oh, you're only landing and talking to people and then flying and landing.
Everyone is dead by night. She cooks you. Well, yeah, that when I come home from Africa, it's a fly from the ranch. Three hours to Johannesburg and land and go through all the there to go through the airport with guns and all things, then fly 17 hours to Atlanta. And then when I go through all that should again, then fly two and a half hours to Boston and then drive an hour.
It's pain in the ass. No, it's worth that. It's like titties. It's worth it. I find that far for titties. Well, you're just not committed to being ahead of a session. You see my gun? This guy wouldn't fly 17 hours for tates. See? You know what I mean?
We had a really good day today Just warning is gonna be a very autistic episode with just fine out brand is so hype for it We tried didn't get experience it, but holy It is very rare to have a firearm actually just
surprise the shit out of you like that. From the weight to the recoil to the sound. We were side by side, shooting machine guns all suppressed without EarPro and it was. Your rifle caliber machine, that's a machine. Which rifle was this? Well, before we say that, it's like, at first when you started complimenting it,
I was very touched, but I was like, wait, you expected it to suck or not be great? And it's like, you know who the fuck I am? No. So it's the boom box. And then we were shooting a contract version of the honey badger that's select fire and only subsonic. And oh, they are so good. The boys did a good job.
They are dialed and you're like, how much do those weigh? Well, fully low. Any badger is probably four and a half pounds in the boom box with the 12 inch barrels under six. No, how heavy are they? Five point five. What about the eight inch gun?
So five pounds but takes a 308 mag and I mean you guys fell to eight six I mean those are big heavy bullets and how easy is that gun to shoot? I just for reference I held it out with one hand. It was just going like that. Yeah, but look you work out But it is like fucking Finn he got behind the gun. Yeah, he's like is it like
What's it gonna shoot say he's like oh my god. It is a 22 the five bucks Yeah, like the eight six what it's so to anybody who may not know What is the boom box?
Well, it's all my idea of design and hard work. It's just none of it. So it is humble, humble. I too am extraordinarily humble. There you go. It's just the greatest gun ever. You know, we did the boot or the honey badger a long time ago and that was to replace.
the MP5. So a nine millimeter sub gun with rifle capability but still as quiet with subsonic ammo is like the MP5 SD. And so what the boom box is is the next generation of that in my opinion. It's an AR 15 size, a lightweight AR 15. It takes a 308 mag and it's in 86 blackout, a cartridge we developed. So you know,
6.5 Creedmoor case with a 338 bullet in it. So you can have a 400 grain subsonic bullet or down to 160 grain supersonic. So you can shoot people at 600 meters or with subsonic to 300 meters. And it's slightly, slightly larger and heavier than the honey badger. And it just the operating system that Mitch did and worked on for several years now.
It's you're shooting that ground and it feels like you're shooting an MP5, but it's I don't know what 30% 40% lighter than an MP5 So it's it's pretty remarkable. I think it's like what all the things we try to do, you know is
I was telling them today. We only have production and sell guns to fund the R&D that we want to do. Dude, it's the level of slap. You cannot say how hard it was hitting that hostage target. You know the flow of head? Yeah. It fucking slaps that motion. You have like the dueling tree, like the spinners.
It would smack one at the very top and all of them would just shake and jostle like on the entire tree and it feels like I was sure it feels like you're shooting like a 45 I Don't get impressed by many guns anymore, and you know that is just you know You shot everything under the sun and it's just like oh like that's cool like certain things can be cool But they don't really impress you very much. I was impressed because it thank you it is quiet and
But how big the round is, I mean, you're shooting out of a 308 magazine. It is probably, especially in full auto, I was blown away. That was more controllable in full auto than some 556 guns I've shot. And still lighter than a lot of the 556 guns. Yeah, you're holding on target. There's 20 rounds you could hold down and we were like 30 yards. How far were we 20 yards? Probably about 30 yards. 30 yards. All full auto just and they all hit the steel.
And it is very loud, the only loud part is the steel getting slow. Well, thank you guys so much. I mean, I know we're all so proud of it at our place, and especially with my attitude. But yeah, I expect us to do stuff that no one else has done, and I expect us to be awesome.
But it is no matter my expectation when you go to the range and you shoot it, that's where the proof is, right? And then other guys like you guys that know guns and shoot a lot when you're that excited about it when you shoot. And it's because it is different and you can't fucking fake it. You know, it's like it looks like an AR. It's just not everything on it is different.
It's years out of Mitch's life and a lot of the other engineers that helped him work on it. And it's the only way you get there. You can't fake it. Like you have to do all of the work and it's a pain in the ass. Like getting that last little 5% that makes the gun that special to when you pick it up and shoot it, you know it's different. Like that's all the hard work, you know. And that's even something as simple as the charging handle. Mitch, you were talking about like even something that they had to walk that and that was one of the hardest pieces, correct?
charging him like shit you just don't think I was like well it needs to seal I'm assuming it's a seal better
I mean, it's one of those rare things where you have ultra lightweight and compact, very shootable, low recoil and easy to control. It doesn't make any sense. But again, the only way you get there is just to devote years to going that extra little bit. It's like the triangle where it's like you have
low recoil, lightweight, and heavy caliber. And normally you can pick any two. Yeah. I agree. But you can't get all three. Yeah. And that somehow has all three. And that was, that was the coolest part, I think, to me.
Yeah, I think it is too. And I think it's all a testament to really our engineering department and the hard work and just the dedication of, we are gonna do this no matter how hard it is. And as long as I can afford to pay everyone every month, like we're gonna go until the gun's right. And we've said before, we could have shifted a year and a half or two years before we did, but the gun is so much better waiting. So not having, is the guy that owns the company, I get to make the decision, right?
and it's I would rather wait and it be awesome because you know I want that HK reputation to where if we put something out you're gonna buy it you're gonna know it's good
You know, and that takes a long time to develop that reputation, but we can't compromise for like quick money today. And every gun that we do, every new project has to be better than the last one we did, no matter how good it was. And that's how we're going to earn it, you know, and I feel it now. I mean, we all do it the company now. And we've got 17 engineers at a company hour size, which is pretty incredible.
I mean, which causes me not to get a pay raise ever, but it's a great thing. I much prefer what we're doing and to win than just the money today. I don't ever want to not work, so I have to own the company because I'm probably unemployable.
And I have to control the company because then we can make those decisions. You know, you don't have finance running the business and saying shit, we got this much money invested. We got to get a return now, you know, investors like I don't have investors saying that shit to me. It's like we were talking about earlier, like any time like a founder leaves or sells a company or dies, things start going because as soon as you leave that stuff up to a board.
They're not here for what will this company be in 10 years. They're usually here for how do I show the best Q3 return? Margins. I want margins. And you get that. And you're saying you have that 17. And that's it. And then the engineers are out at the range with us having a blast. But these end of it, they are like breaking down the gun of like, hey, we need to refine it. We need to make it better. And instead of like a AAA studio where it's like,
But as close enough will fix it as we release Gen 2, Gen 3. You guys are like, no, make it perfect as it releases. And then you guys are, anyone that's watching that's like, you can't wait to buy one right now. They're fucking backlogged. Yeah. They're like, how many backlog right now? There's thousands at this point. It's a good fucking place to be. Yeah. And they're shocking to us really. We know the guns are awesome, but it's, you know, MSRP on the guns, $4,400.
So it's like without the suppressor without the suppressor. It's like, how many can we actually sell on the commercial market? Then then, you know, this is the beginning of the gun because this is just eight, six black out 12 inches. All we have out now, but there's an eight inch. You got to shot the SD today. Then there's six creed more, six, five creed more, three, oh eight. So it's, it's a whole weapons platform that we'll do because it's just a switch barrel. You don't have to. Did you guys see all that stuff today?
No, we didn't take it. Well, we broke it down and field stripped it, but we didn't take the barrel out. OK, yeah. So the barrel comes out. It's not a traditional AR with the barrel nut and everything. So you can just switch it to a different caliber, sort of like you can with the scar. I do not know that. So but a much better system.
and you know it's all tied to just the gun is a whole system and we're talking about this stiffest rail ever on a small arm so and being that lightweight so you know for the military guys with lasers and stuff like that you can't you don't you load the handguard you're not getting POI shift with it and so you know these guys also develop the test like the Geisel handguard is very stiff and some others on the market military use so we had to devise the
test for deflection and then return to zero of the handguard.
And so we do all this testing and we'll release it in a documentary about development of the gun. But we have to develop the fixtures and the testing like the government's not done this. So we do it and then we show the government. And it's like, yeah, so this doesn't return to zero and this does and this is why this is designed this way. You know, a lot of people have the LMT, right? Cool guns that one piece receiver on the board, but it makes it big and heavy and it's no stiffer.
And, you know, like having engineers and doing that development and then developing these tests. And then we know, you know, Mitch, like I said today, isn't afraid to come to range with you guys because he's done so much testing. We know what the gun is. I have a dumb question. Sure. So you've developed rounds and rifles. So the 86300. But do you develop like the honey badger?
Around the 300 blackout or did you develop the round and then created a rifle in regards to that? Is the round come first or the rifle? It's a chicken or the... It's a good question. And what happened was 300 blackout? We were asked.
to do it, basically take 300 whisper and it wasn't reliable. Which I'd never heard of that round. Really? Yeah, I didn't even, I did not know that was a thing until you said that to do that. Yeah, and we did that for a special operations group here in the US and which one? Yeah, the one, the best one. That was great. The best one? Well, Terry's here. Terry's just waving in the camera.
I have two children that I love a lot and one's blue and one's green and you know when the blue ones here you say they're the best. And so they ask us to do it and we built so we did the round and basically we just need to
The problem with 300 whisper was it used 308 bullets, and they were too short and too wide. So the Ojai was wrong. And so the front ribbon AR magazine will push it to the center and away from the feed ramps. And then when the bullets are too short and doesn't take up the full magazine, they move in there and that also induces malfunction. So we needed to do
bullets that were the right length and shape to feed reliable and that was pretty much what the work engineering work was which is hilarious because a lot of people that make three hundred black out now do the same fucking shit that was the problem the first place the horn be just released. Ten years after they made the loaded the first rounds for what years for to know about.
12 years after they... 13 years after they go to the first round. What fucking year is it? But they just this year released the first actual 300 blackout round. They're still selling 300 whisper and they put 300 blackout on the box.
And then people bitch at me about it not being reliable. It's my picture ammo. Yeah, well, that's 300 whisper. Like, yeah, it doesn't. So 300 blackout, 300 blackout mags, the mag pool and everyone offers. Those are actually 300 whisper mags because the front rib.
that helps align the cartridge, half of it is cut away for the 308 bullets. So we did 300 blackout to work flawlessly in 5.56 max. So if you use an actual 300 blackout ammo, it goes in 5.56 max. 300 whisper goes in 300 blackout max. So it's all fucked, right?
There wasn't a standard. Anyway, we did that and we sold uppers and silencers to this organization to go on their guns, which were HK AR variant gun. And so after they adopted it, I go to his brother and I say, yo, you know, your brother just got uppers for their guns. How about you? And they're like, no, we don't need that. And so being the two groups I worked with a lot,
I knew their inventory and life cycles and stuff. And I was like, fuck you, man. You're not going to tell me, no, this is great. And so we did the Honey Badger, the first prototype in two weeks to take to them. And I took it to them to shoot. And it's like, what is this? And it's like, well, your MP5SD life cycle is up. So here's like a rough prototype gun that we built for a concept we can do. You can replace that with a 300 blackout. And so that became the Honey Badger. We did a special gun for them. And that's sort of how it happened.
And that is why a no is really a yes. Kevin Burningham. Short answer round first. Round first.
I've been wild going from like a nine mil to three hundred blackout, but yo, what the fuck is this thing? And it's almost half the weight of the MP5. Yeah. So crazy. What kind of MP5s were they using? The SD? SD, which is right at eight pounds. Metal oil. It's not like heavy bitch. In the original prototype Honey Badger with the silencer was four pounds.
Strong. So once we got to delivery, the gun was heavier. We made the silencer longer and they wanted more rail space and so that got a little heavier, but still with the silencer was five pounds. Fucking wild. Wow. And then Brandon, you yesterday, can you even talk about?
Are the audio stuff you were doing? No. It's a great story. We recorded some audio for some really cool people over at Drive Tanks. And it was just really neat to be included and actually to tie it in. It was neat to see how a professional sound studio and sound engineers record audio for.
gunshots, weapons cycling, brass landing, like that. And that brings us back to what we first talked about. I think when we first had you on the podcast is how a lot of your collection was used for the sounds of movies like saving private Ryan. Yeah. Same private Ryan. That's been so long now. I think that was 97. And then Black Hawk down Pearl Harbor.
band of brothers. Which I just watched Black Hawk down again on the flights when we were doing the Unsub Live tour. I always forget, like it's always a couple years and then I watch it again. Not just how good of a fucking movie that was. That's wonderful. It causes me anxiety though.
But the sounds it is cool like the it's extraordinary because this was Skywalker sound that did all of the sounds for those movies and just the detail and just linked of Just how difficult it was that everything you could think of shooting into all kinds of materials and then the brass and the links landing on different materials Yep, all the bullet impacts it was
It was pretty cool. It was really neat the the variety that they would do because they had like they I don't know that these people had like 40 microphones out there at different distances. Several attached to the different guns that were being shot and they had like multiple channels at any point because they're like well it's going to sound different if somebody is in a window versus.
Next to a wall versus outside of a window versus outside like they want all the different sounds to make sense and. I don't know I just appreciate when people have that kind of attention to detail because they don't have to tell you how you get the best product. I mean, watch any war movie up until private Ryan and then watch that movie like the sound scare the shot of you in that movie like it's so realistic compared to every other war movie I'd seen up until then.
Because in the 80s, like Rambo 2, you know, Red Dawn, like those are some of their great movies. But they're 80s movies. Like the sound is fucking dog shit. That was the first one. And then you've seen that. You sent a photo and it's just I was like, ah, there it is. You get to see all the cool equipment into like one single sound. And that is.
tens of thousands of dollars to record those individual sounds in the level of detail they go in. Those guys are masters of their craft. I wish I could talk about who it was, but they are really good at it. They were like, we don't get the return on investment to do this, but we want to. We do it because it like fucking love of the game. They're like, we want to do this.
You can watch those guys. Uh, if you, a really good one is Godzilla, the 2008 or whatever one, a recent one. Of course you bring this to Godzilla. Do the sound design into it. The sound design of even the monsters were like, Oh, well, how is this saying going to breathe? Um, oh, if we run a piece of rubber over a basketball, that will be that little sound for breathing and then we'll slow it down. Foley stuff. Oh yeah. And it's.
One thing, it's just like hundreds of layers to get one piece of audio and you're like, God dang, I would never thought I'd just layer on layer on layer. Nerds, man. That's the people that do that shit. Have you always, the eight, six, have they picked it up or ready to be in any of the video games or they're just gonna snag it and then you're gonna find out later? No, you know, it did work with Infinity War that does some of the Call of Duty's back a dozen years ago.
but I don't know what's happened there but you know they stopped calling it the honey badger and it wasn't because of me like of course I wanted to use the name honey badger but they changed all the names and I can actually tell you why on that one yeah so this is at least to my understanding of it from what I've been able to pick apart
I think that they were named as a plaintiff, one of the people that was sued after one of the school shootings. Because you know, it's not the shooter's fault. It's obviously the fault of whoever made the gun who made the ammo. I think at one time they sued the whoever made the gun safe that they stored their guns in and they're suing the violent video games and they're gonna sue every fucking person under the sun.
But it was enough that Call of Duty's attorneys were scared shitless and so they were like they didn't want to be seen as working or collaborating with gun companies from that point. Yeah, because I know I did it Originally and so I still had that relationship when I went to SIG when I worked at SIG and they were Absolutely against I could not work with a video game company because they were they were marketing to children was what you know SIG told me
Well, I guess if you're an attorney, that makes sense. Yeah, if you're a lame-ass attorney. What led to the development of the 8-6?
You know, my kids like Terry. You know, it's, I mean, seriously, it is. Yeah, I mean, it's bigger, better like it kills better. Yeah. And, you know, I've seen it. I'm not in person. Do we have one in here? It's fucking rad. If we can compare it to like a five five six or anything.
But yeah, always trying to do something that like the guys don't even know they need yet or they don't know it exists and not waiting for solicitations trying to develop product for them to make solicitations around. Like I spend half my life hunting now like Africa six months a year and all I do is kill shit all the time.
And part of that is like, I want my buddies to have the best chance possible to go do their stuff and all come home. And so we think about that constantly. And the good part of that is, you know, not everybody hunts, right? But there's self defense or home defense and all this and.
You know it doesn't really discriminate if it's a 200 pound whatever 200 pound anything Yeah, it's a lot of shit ways 200 pounds a lot does name that Pokemon I just asked cuz it feels it feels like not many not many Companies or people are like in round development
No, we probably actually do more than a lot of ammo comes. Here's the thing. We want to build the system. You know, and it's not that we want to develop cartridges, like just like I don't want to design a trigger, you know, because I don't want to have spent two years doing drop test. But if what's needed doesn't exist, then it's an opportunity for us. And I think to.
The best thing I've done in my career is surround myself with very good people and manipulate them into getting on the bus with me and doing the thing that I want. I want to accomplish this thing that I can't, but I gotta have all these nerds do it. But then it's the real thing. And so I have to keep them engaged. Mitch is a real smart kid, but oh my Lord, that engineering department, those geeks,
and so but trying what you realize when you get to a certain level developing guns or silencers or whatever the thing is is what you really want is the whole system and if I'm not controlling the ammo you know or if we don't make the magazine it's the most vital part of the gun a lot of times and so it just sort of
I don't know, you get halfway down the road and you either turn around or you got to go old. Yeah, one thing leads to another type of thing. But see one of those eight six though. But seeing how successful is the black out was which one knowing we could we have the theory of that whole thing is good. We could do better. Yeah. Is it 300 black out 86 Connor? That's a 300 black out, which is more your AK or 762 variant.
Or you're like five five six right here. Yeah, actually. Oh, yeah. That'd be a great, great comparison. And that's eight six black out. And that's when I'm expanded.
Yeah, the expanded looks fucking crazy. Five, five, six, 300 blackout and eight, that's eight, six. Yeah. And it's just as quiet as 300 blackout. But that's after it's been pulled out of an animal. That will fuck your bitch.
Yeah, that thing is just rotating. And now it's more crazy. As your standard A, I'd probably like 1, 8, 1, 11 twist rate, right? Oh, we get to talk about it. Yeah, I know. So you're looking at. So you're looking at every 11, 11, 10 inches, it will rotate a single time. And then you guys were like, no, let's keep the speed at 900. It's epsonic, but let's just rotate it every three inches. It rotates. And then you have this.
Fucking rotating what opens up at a speed. So you have a drill bit. There's a lot of good things to the fast twist. The bullets will expand on impact now, rather than being six inches inside of something. You think about that turning if a human is 15 inches here to here like a grown man.
You know, if it's a one in 10 twist, by the time the bullet expands, it's going to have one rotation inside the body. So that cutting serves. But that's the bullet. One in three turns five times. That's the bullet. Holy hell. Yeah, it looks like you're putting a bullet in the body. It is. And the fast twist is actually like having high speed on a blender.
A bullet next to a five, five, six round. Holy hell. So like I explained it poorly on a previous podcast, but talking about like how you're able to get more energy out of it because you're doing rotational velocity and not linear velocity. Yeah. So we can't really create more energy, but it's more efficient use and rotational energy. So a subsonic rifle cartridge, it has to, you can maximum would say it's a thousand 50 feet a second.
generally to stay subsonic. So you can't go faster in that direction. But if we spin the bullet faster, you have to stop a bullet going this way and this way. And the rated decay of rotational velocity is much slower than winning your velocity.
And people don't think about like a 16 inch 308. You know, it might be 2,600 feet a second or 2,500 feet a second at the muzzle at 850 yards. It's probably 900 feet a second. Well, I can shoot eight, six black out. I mean, you would never shoot subs at 1000 yards. You have 160 feet of drop, but you don't direct fire at that point. Yeah. But it'll be 1000 50 feet a second at the muzzle, but at 1000 yards, it'll be 900 feet a second.
So yeah, it's faster than three or eight supersonic once you get to like 800 yards, like one year of velocity. So subsonic bullets don't slow down. That's why you get really good penetration with them. And the fast twist also helps with penetration. Just so you think about a drill bit, you speed it up fast. So like we'll get, you know, that probably shot a zebra and probably got 30 inches of penetration or was, well, it didn't pass through because we were covering it. But yeah, you, I mean, I shoot Kate Buffalo with it.
Subsonic. Subsonic, yeah. And they drop. I'm assuming pretty quick. Well, I mean, I will say I just shot one with a week ago. And it was four shots into it within a couple of seconds at about 40 yards.
And it was dead 30 yards from where I shot it and probably less than a minute. And for a Kate Buffalo, like that's the most durable animal you hunt on the planet. Out of curiosity. I know it's not designed for that, but how does it do on armor? Well, this is the first time too. There's subsonic armor piercing.
Come again? There's subsonic armor piercing. Against what kind of armor are you able to penetrate with it? Well, we'll see you once it's all done. Oh, shit. But redacted. But that's never happening. It's so quiet. You guys shot it and heard it. You think about being able to pop somebody at 200 yards with that and penetrate armor. So there's a lot we can do with that.
I'm speech. I mean, think about like the nano explosive stuff with that. There's so much, you know, capacity in a bullet that size. That's a lot of payload. A lot of payload. So it's a new capability, right? Like the bullet is the size of the two jets. I know. I'm trying to figure out where do you put the powder around it? That is. But literally it's the side, the bullet is the size of the fucking cartridge.
Yeah. Again, it's slapping somebody. A human just punching those steel plates as hard as possible. And you know, we had to do the whole system because we needed three or eight size mags to get this cartridge because we wanted.
Everything shot, 99.9% of everything shot on the planet in any capacities inside 300 meters. So the goal was what's the most badass thing we can do for 300 meter? So we want 300 meter subsonic. And so AR10 is traditionally like a 308 size gun or big and heavy 10 pounds. So the problem was the gun and then also the ammo. So develop the ammo, but it had to be a compact lightweight gun.
So for clarification, say you develop the boom box around eight, six. Yes. Okay. Yeah, the many who have a fix. You were like, okay, six. And let's do this now with so you develop the rifle around it. Yeah, like we love 300 blackout, but it's
But when you think in terms of replacing a submachine gun, it's incredible. When you start to see how useful it is, but then it limits, like with subsonic fraternity blackouts, really 100 meters and supersonic is really 300 meters. We need more than that. And so this is that answer.
I remember talking to you about this probably two or three years ago. I was with all of my employees. Once a year, we do a lake house vacation, essentially. Just like a week off, we just fuck off somewhere off in some lake house in Indiana. It was a couple of years ago, and we were talking about it, and we were just on speaker with my boys, and we were just kind of talking back and forth, because a lot of my more engineer-minded employees and
And you were describing 8-6 and like quietly around the phone it was like the fucking Jill Rogan meme of like
Oh, this is going to be dope when it's out. And I mean, sure enough, it's fucking dope. So it's cool. It's cool. Thank you. You know, I love it because us doing things that are unsolicited or whatever, it's amazing within our industry when we started out doing this and we talked about what it was going to do and then talk about the boombox, like people who should know better, like didn't believe it, Marcus.
Like, I don't fucking care, that's fine. But we'll see you in a couple of years. But I, you know, I love it. But yeah, I mean, it's, I mean, when I saw you guys shoot today and you guys look at each other, it's like you can't fake that. Like, you guys aren't that smooth.
Like, if you're like, oh, it's just another AR, whatever. But you just call the shit the actors. Well, I wouldn't say. I would say, like, right here red dawn. Yeah. Oh, okay. I can do that. Yeah. It wasn't one of those who have prided down just like, holy fuck, especially the full auto, the full auto. Yeah. That fucked me up for a minute. Instantly, we're like.
The, but one of the things you said earlier that kind of stuck with me was the fact that like, well, 300 blackout was of course like solicited. It was something that somebody asked you to make. You made it and then you, you did the honey badger with it and everything. The thing that got me about eight, six, you were like, we wanted to make something.
that nobody was asking for yet, but it was going to be so good that they would. They didn't know they wanted it until we make it kind of thing. And it reminded me a lot of the, like the Henry Ford. He was like, I just made what I thought was great because if I asked the people what they wanted, they would have set a faster horse. Yeah, Steve Jobs with the iPhone.
You know like that that wasn't like easy for him. I mean I think the original ones what they do He would let whoever have an exclusive if they wouldn't change the phone because everybody wanted buttons and shit on he's like yeah, you guys are stupid like the whole world is stupid you don't need buttons and now
No, he was just so right. And I don't think it's at that level, but, you know, we have a lot of experience and we've been fortunate that during a time, you know, in our nation when guys were shooting lots of people, you know, we're starting to mature in our jobs and have the opportunity to work with them and just learn a lot and you start to see. And over time, it's like, rather than just responding to these guys, you understand what they're doing. And it's like,
Okay, what's the thing they really need? Like, because, you know, most of the guys, they don't understand from our perspective, just like we don't understand from theirs. But once you have that relationship and you start working, it's like, they say they want this, but we think, you know, they want this, but we think we can get it here. And, you know, it's also good. Like I don't ask the government to fund my stuff because then I control it. And I don't, you know, then at the end, it's like, we have this awesome thing. And, you know, you guys want to be really good. Then you use this.
It's so Yeah, it's it's good like turns out shit's easy to sell when it's the best Yeah, there's always room for the best how big your entire team like you have your 17 engineers But then outside of that with everyone the company is around 90 employees. That's fucking wild
Dude, 90 employees and you have dialed. You have dialed in employees. You have like, hey, we want the top in the trade for this. Well, you know, it's always a struggle, right? And I think, like, I love our people, like people in general.
For us, you know, it's always hard as you grow, whether it's anything, you have a team, some people grow with it and some don't. And you know, that becomes hard. But I think it's like our responsibility. We want to be all stars. We want to be the best in the world. So we can't have average motherfuckers at our place.
And they might be stand out when we're here, but they're average here. And you know, we want to, you know, I don't want to just hire from the outside. Like, I want to grow our employees and see everybody have awesome lives. Like, I love going to work every day. And this will be about 30 second year and a month from now. And I still wake up every day, can't wait to fucking get to work. With that being said, I'm an Africa half town. So, but it's probably better for them. But, um,
So dialed in, you know, and every department doesn't grow at the same rate because we don't focus on it the same. And then some, you know, you have some careers or some parts of the business where that particular job is no one's passion or dream, but they love our company and the culture. And so, you know, it's never a problem to motivate the engineers. And they're very spoiled. I don't turn them down for money for anything. If I have the money, they can have it for whatever they want.
But, you know, half the time it's convincing them to go home or go see their women or whatever. You know, you live there. Yeah. No women. A couple of engineer was a woman. But, you know, all right, I believed you on the stats before that.
No, but it's true. I mean, but I think it's a dream. You know, when we start, we're almost nine years old and when we, you know, first five years, it's hard to recruit people because we're new and they might not think it's stable, but now we've had enough success. I can recruit anyone in our industry. Like there's not an engineer I can't hire from any company in our industry. I bet they're fighting to be part of that team because like, how is it on your side? You love it. Yeah. How long have you been with Q now?
And yeah, exactly. It's fucking wine. And what would it take for you to go work at another gun company? No pressure, but your boss is watching. No, I'm not that way, you know. But yeah, I mean, I think it's true. And that's not always the thing, but you see it now. And it's like, I'm their biggest hero. It's like, I believe in them more than they do, generally.
It's hard finding like employers or employees, where you're trying to find that level of like dedication and motivation where they're, they rally around each other and then they're, they're the ones that's like pushing the envelope like working hard. Yeah. And it sets the standard for the entire team. So you get to see individuals like yourself are fucking killing it. And then I get all the engineers pretty much on the same.
Level is what? Like the work ethic and everything. I think their culture, like the three or four senior guys, Mitch being one, they're just full of grit. They don't like me. We're not taking no for an answer. We're going to get it done and it takes sacrifice if you want to be badass.
And they've created that culture. You know, our guys, they do everything. They run machines, you know, they don't have to, but they do. They all know how they, I mean, they do everything themselves. They, they're going to be part of testing. Like right now I fight with him some because I want parts of the boom box and our vision for him to pass some of it off to a junior guy under him. And like, that's hard for him. He's like, no, too autistic.
But you know, that's what you want in the guys too. You know, it's like, he's so proud of it. And it's his baby. And you know, you want him to feel that way. But yeah, you know, I love marketing and I love engineering like the development. I don't like business and operations and all that. So I try to stay out of that. But like us hiring a real CEO and him being focused on that. And I see the improvements in our production. And I understand now that's
what really funds all of our stuff. So I've got a passion for that too. Like let's get the best people in there that care about the product that they're doing and they're part of the QC process. And so now I'm sort of, you know, I appreciate it more now. I'm more mature. I appreciate it and support them. And like the people that work in our factory that do the assembly and all that.
I go talk to everyone every day. I do everything I can for them because, you know, you don't want them to leave. I don't want them to leave for $2 more an hour. I want them to turn down jobs for $2 more an hour to be an hour place. You know, that takes effort on my part. You know, it's, it's like, that's my day. I just walk around, talk to everybody, figure out if anything's going on and then push our leadership to, Hey, you know, this is sort of going on or this department is lagging behind some of the others. We need to focus on that.
How many total employees do you have right now? About 90. He said that when you got up and made a drink, idiot. When you brought up South Africa earlier. So is your company based in the States or when you're in South Africa? What are you doing?
Hmm testing testing but yeah, I hunt so I don't shoot it in the head it dies No, it's just a risk-rude sketch of a zebra with
But I never hunted until we did 300 blackout. And then I wanted to like, so I had a farm in North Georgia and so I started shooting deer testing bullets. And that sort of led to the hunting, which I'm passionate about now, but it's still, I mean, 90% of my hunting to some degree is testing our stuff.
You know, a lot of it the last few years has been 86. Because, you know, it's people, you know, the hunting crowds, like every other crowd, right? It's like, oh, it's unethical to shoot something with subsonic. And it was like...
Well, maybe back in the day doing this, but what we're doing, but it's also, it takes some motherfucker to go out there and do it before you know it. Like you only know it because some dude, you know, that wasn't ordinary 50 years ago went and did this and now it's the standard and that's what you just regurgitating. Yeah. So, you know, we're trying to do new shit and somebody like, I'm not going to tell, you know, 30 year old Terry to, oh, trust me, take this into combat. It's going to be fine, you know, until I've killed stuff with it.
So I don't know, I do that and I leave the company alone. So I think me being there half the time is good because I come generally very driven and it's hard for me to see things not happen. And you know, when I forget, like this is just consumed my entire life for 32 years. And you know, I don't necessarily want all my guys to have my life.
like the not great part of it like my personal life's never been awesome and it's like well this is all i do and so i'm there you know i think it's not good for the company so i'm there half the time and then i go away for half time it gives them these guys time to you know there's some development process and i can come back and see the results. And the company just outgrew me.
I'm good at motivating, and it's good for me to be involved in picking products and working with the engineers, and it's good for me, I think, marketing-wise, I've always had a knack for it. And the rest of the company, I just try to stay the fuck out of it.
You know, I like talking to the people, all the employees every day. I go around and say hello to everyone because I don't want to be blind to things either. So if they have some issue or something and they're telling their manager and it's not getting conveyed up the chain and there aren't changes happening.
That pisses me off. So I want every employee to have access to me if it gets to a situation where something could be improved, but somebody's too lazy to do it or whatever.
Really mean it's like everyone as long as you're communicating say hey I have an issue here and that is actually brought to the proper people shit gets fixed. It does. Then you have the other side which is nothing. I mean I think what it does is highlights to me a supervisor that isn't doing the right thing for what I want for the company and the employees and the customers. And you know like I said like average is not good enough. Like being good at your job is not good enough to work at my company.
And it doesn't mean you start out knowing everything, but you got to have that commitment and willing to sacrifice and grind, and you want to fucking be the best. You want to be proud. I mean, you know, I can think of some girls that work in production. Like, they don't fucking shoot at all, but they're so proud of what we do. And they're proud that, you know, like a girl that works in production now, I can think I've came to work about a year ago for us. And she was at SIG for several years. And, you know, what she says to me is, she doesn't care about guns.
But she loves the production work and doing it. And it bothered her a lot at SIG that they would ask her to ship things with parts she knew weren't right. And you know, that's not a thing at my place. I don't care who it is. QC finds it. You know, the people in production find it and, you know, bring it to the engineer's attention. If it's not right, we just don't ship guns that month. You know, and that's another advantage of me not owning anybody money and me controlling the company.
You know, I can say, okay, well, I just want to get paid this month. Brandon, when you're working with your like on the AK 50, how was that like handing off your baby to have you have a fantastic autistic shop also? I know good news that again, they're just like living and breathing firearms. No, I've got no I got a fucking awesome team. Like we all have the same kind of brand of Tism in that way.
And it's unfortunately a necessity, especially with what I do and the way that we live. It's like so much of it is content and having to make videos and things that pay for everything, that pay for the R&D, that pay for the CNC, that pay for all this stuff. I can't be there every day all day, so I have to have people that I trust, and I'm thankful to have a team that I do trust.
But I actually wanted to bring that background. Funny you mentioned that, because we have a running joke in the shop that we fucking hate engineers. So much so that we have Chase, I'll send this to you. It's the thing we've got up in the wall. We were given eyes not to judge others, but to spot the stupid engineer. A mouth not to criticize, but to call the engineer a dumbass. Ears not to eavesdrop, but to eat.
Hands not to fight, but to kill engineers. And it's funny because one of the things that you'd mentioned before that I really liked is you said that the engineers are part of every part of the process. Because what starts that animosity against engineers from the guys on the ground is when you have engineers that are designing shit.
who have no practical experience, that don't know how to machine stuff, that don't know how to assemble things, that basically make impossible shit to put together in real life. And to have engineers involved in the machining, the assembly, the testing is really fucking cool. Yeah, I mean, I hold them accountable for everything ultimately, because they're the smartest guys at the place. And did you know that when we started the company for the first two or three years, the engineers who designed the fix,
They did all the drawings for the parts, they sourced the parts, they QC'd the parts, they assembled all the guns, they developed all the assembly-fixuring, and then they shot all of them for accuracy on paper five-shot groups. And so that is so ridiculously irresponsible financially for me. In the short term, right? But in the long term, we have a product
that is so superior. And then when we started hiring assembly people very quickly, they can build guns just as good as the engineers can. Because the engineers are lazy in some ways, so they'll build fixtures quick to help assemble a ship. And you know, it's all good. And so they do have relationships though. It's not like some of the bigger companies, like I don't like the way SIG did their engineering.
Because I think all these memes and jokes from machinist and guys that do that kind of work, they hate engineers because the engineers sit in their little office and design something and then they don't feel shocked. Yeah, but like Mitch is a machinist. He knows what can be made. So is Ethan, so is Nick, they know, and then make such
Such a difference that little thing like v-dubs port like German engineering on cars when you actually go to take apart your car It becomes a fucking frustrating Jesus fucking Christ. Yes You're cool in line burst it cost me ten dollars enough
Parking lot at Auto Zone to fix it. I had a cool online burst in my Volkswagen costs $600 in two weeks to fix it. That's ridiculous. Yeah, just even though we like we're on two radically fucking different scales with what we're doing.
There's not a single guy at my shop that doesn't know how to build an AK even though like even if there's no just like dedicated like no, it's awesome engineering spot It's like everybody does kind of a little bit of everything or at least knows how to and I think that helps so fucking much so much but also you know like I can't demand that quality control and production and machining respect the engineers
You know, they can only command it by like being part of it. And so that's a great part of the relationship. I, it's so rare that I have ever had anyone at the company in the departments. We're like, this fucking engineers, if they would do this and get off their ass, because if there's any issue, because it's actually separated them because they're so involved. The engineers are so involved in every part of the company because they're the smartest people and they've been there from the beginning. They want to do everything.
that actually got them their own, we moved into a new building three years ago, and within six months, I got the engineers their own building. Separate, geographically, like three miles apart, and they have their own machine shop, their own everything. So everybody'll leave them in the f*** alone so they can design stuff. And so, but if there's a problem,
It probably happens once a day at a company hour size. There's a problem in production or QC or whatever, and you don't blink before two of the engineers are over at the building looking at it, and being involved. None of them sit behind a desk on their ass all the time. And if you have that mentality,
You cannot work in our place. I think Elon Musk has the same thing where I think I can't remember it was Tesla or SpaceX. I think it was SpaceX where he said that the engineers weren't like separated in their own area. They were on the fucking assembly floor. He's like, you're behind like a fucking curtain while they're blasting, you know, def leopard out on an assembly line. And then you've got a row of dudes at computers. It was just that integrated because they talked to each other.
I think that makes a huge difference on every level is that everyone's blending in together. Now, hey, this doesn't make sense why you get to see it really quick. It's like, oh, let's fix that and roll out. No. God.
I love it. I fucking love that. Just that that is like the perfect business model is like everyone's just crushing life and you're just dedicated to the crap versus Hand it off make your money and then you'd watch quality control go to shit. Wait, yes a year when he's trying me. I'm like, what do I think I could sell the company for right now? I mean, I think I should be way richer than I am
But I have all these 17 children that I take care of. But no, I mean, for business wise, I mean, I think it's why we're also passionate about it. And Mitch wouldn't leave. You couldn't get Nick or Ethan until any of the key people. They wouldn't take other jobs anywhere. They just wouldn't. My guys might leave. Your guys probably.
Well, they see you balling out with the Rolls Royce. Oh, yeah. Rolls Royce, for sure. That screams me right there. I saw it. I saw you getting out of it today. Brendan rolled up in a diamond and crusted Tesla today. Wild.
Up until the, actually when I was in Texas, up until like three or four years ago, I was driving around the fucking $3,000 flooded out, dodged 2,500. You remember that? Holy shit, you drove here in that piece of shit. Yeah, I forgot about that. It was a flood car, had like no functioning AC, radio didn't work. I remember driving down to Florida at one point. My AC was I rolled the windows down and I had a free water for McDonald's that I was pouring on myself to stay cool.
This is like that, that white chick that tried to pretend she was black. I don't know, like CP. I don't believe this shit at all. Eli was there for you. You probably remember that. You have an Afro thing. There's a situation. He pulls up during the winter storm in Texas, like this, San Antonio, like we are shut down storm. He pulled up and then that. Yeah, pulled up and then you tried to leave and then you walked back in like two hours later, like, yeah, we were.
Yeah, it's not going anywhere. We're just going to stay here tonight. We got three snowed in that night. That was, yeah. I forgot you drove in on that. Oh, because we drove in on the night of the big snowpocalypse. Literally, as we got to Houston, the first snow started to fall. Got snowed in that night, and we had three days in San Antonio.
By the time we meet at San Antonio, we were snowed in. This brand new house I just got. Fucking no food in the refrigerator, no nothing. All the stores are closed, so like. And no power. Three days anywhere. Shout out to Texas, they have their priorities in line. The liquor stores are open.
Yeah. Well, that was the only thing that was over. You can forget about all the other stuff. I mean, you can forget you're hungry. Yeah. I was just saying, I'm not hungry. I got whiskey. Yeah. I mean, it's calories or calories, man. So about a week ago, I was hunting. And so my tracker's name is Whitey. And I post him a lot on my Instagram. And occasionally I get some old Karen bitch, send me some message about how racist I am because I'm calling him Whitey. And I'm like,
He had that name 40 years before I got to Africa.
We have a fridge in the cruiser and he's supposed to keep drinks and some snacks and stuff in it and There's other days late afternoon. Hunt's kind of over and I'm like a whitey man. Hand me a snack. Would you out of the cooler? He just hands me a bottle of Jack Daniels He's like I said snack. He says whiskey
We need to schedule still next year like all of us going out I'd be down to Africa and hunting with you and just document that entire just thinking Kevin doesn't get the shanks if he doesn't know
We can say Africa. We're about in Africa. Do you hang out? My house is in South Africa in the eastern Cape in the mountains. A couple hours north of Port Elizabeth. And then I've got a beach house in a town called Impequini, which is between East London and Port Alfred on the Indian Ocean. But I hunt all over sort of West African southern Africa. I'll say it. Yeah, because I heard you bounce up to like Tanzania and
Yeah, so just I was just in Cameroon, um, the few months ago on a hunt. Um, and it's cool. Like the more I'm there, like people have people contact me to see the hunting stuff and they'll be like, Oh, how dangerous is it in South Africa? And I'm like, I live in new Hampshire and I don't have locks on my house in Africa. Like,
You're thinking South Africa is dangerous. It's, you know, Johannesburg or Durban or whatever. It's like any big city in the world. There's like shit neighborhoods. But like where I live, there's not a town for an hour. It's the safest place on the planet. But so what it's done is like I have this love affair now with like wild Africa.
like where you'll be 12 hours from a town and you know or you're in Cameroon or the Congo or somewhere and like it is dangerous and I'm like I love it this is my place you know it's fun like Africa is just different man I'm telling you you guys are so fortunate I'm so proud of you honestly it will change your lives going to Africa for a week I swear it is if I didn't have the company and the employees that I love I would never come back
And I love America. Like, I'm not hating on America. I fucking love it here. But I'm so free in Africa. And it's just, I don't know how to explain it. I mean, Terry's been all over the world too. And that an awesome one. It's just a whole different world. It's like the US in the 30s and 40s when you just had freedom. And you can do what you want. People are awesome. And the danger doesn't come from the people. The danger comes from the environment.
No. You can drink raw milk. Yeah. Said you can drink raw milk there. Out of a gate. But it is and it's beautiful. It's like where I live. It's like the mountain. My house is on the side of a mountain and 6,000 feet elevation behind it. It's just every view is incredible. And the property that I live on, there's 25 species of game that you can hunt that free range there.
So like you, I can drive you around for a day and you'll see 500 animals in the wild. Like it's unbelievable. So even within Africa, even within South Africa, where I live is the best place in the world for free range hunting and diversity of species. And it's just so beautiful. I mean, I'm there for a week and I mean, I catch myself all the time will be glass and a mountainside looking for animals and stuff.
I just like start daydreaming and looking around and I'm like, I am the luckiest guy in the fucking world. Like, well, I don't want people do this. Like, I just made a conscious decision a few years ago that, you know, you think about, okay, you build a company, the thing to do is sell it. And I'm like, well, like building companies hard, you know, I've done it twice. It's difficult. And I don't mind being uncomfortable, which I think
I didn't realize that this time's gone on. I have a lot of employees over time and it's like, I'm okay being more uncomfortable than a lot of people. And I also know like, I'm never gonna starve to death in America. Like you can't starve to death in America. Like it's easy. You know what? No, you can't. You can't starve to death in America unless you want to. But you know in Africa, there's a consequence. Like you can.
And I don't, it's just so- No safety nets. So for now, there's not. Nobody gives a shit. Which I think is the way the world should be, right? Like, it's great. Out in the country, the neighbors are great. You know, all the natives there, the cost of people are fucking wonderful. It's like country people everywhere in the world. They're just good. And it's just so relaxing. And I just see myself there and like kids, it's like, yeah, like America, maybe in the 50s, like kids are still kids.
You know, I live on a friend of mine's family's ranch, which is hundreds of thousands of acres. And he's got, so my house is about 300 meters from his and he has three young kids. And when I say young, I think the oldest daughter is 13 and it would be like a seven year old here. She's still a kid. She doesn't have a cell phone and, you know, just all this bullshit social media and things. So they don't have access to the internet, cell phones, modern culture.
How will they know they're gay? You know, it's like the good old days. You had to experiment to figure it out. You had to have that one experience in college. It's just like the good old dance, you know? I don't like that. That tastes bad. It's like Jody Plache. He's like, I know I'm not gay. Sucked a dick, didn't like it.
It's literally just everyone having the time of their life. Yeah, it is. But, you know, I decided I don't ever want to sell my company.
Like I don't care about like the value or whatever, because my company, like I have the greatest job in the world. It provides me with so much fulfillment. And then I just decided, I'm not gonna like working for a retirement is fucking stupid. Like it's super gay. Like I'm just. It's not regular gay. It's the extreme. It's not kids. Oh.
But so I'm just, now I just am retired half the time. Like I go and do what I want, cause I'm never gonna stop working. So who am I kidding? It's like my job doesn't require me to be, you know, like I'm not a Navy Seal. I don't have to, you know, stay fit or stay younger. I could be an old man still do my job. And so like, why would I ever stop? It's so fulfilling.
And then, so okay, I'll just say my retire now, and I'll just go to African do all this shit. And it costs me a ton of money, but like, I'm not gonna, like, what am I gonna do? Like retire, and sit around, like, that's not a thing. That's what we've talked about that many times. I would be fucking the most minute. A day without work is insanity. We had Sunday off, like, we landed Saturday.
Everyone was dead, Wyatt's boom. And then Sunday was like, oh, no work. I think we had one reset day. That's it. And it's still like, I'll answer emails and catch up on the shit I missed during that. And then right on Monday, it's back into the flow of everything. I include Africa.
and you're back at the grind, and then it's like, oh, 17 hours for titties as it turns out. I'd go 47. Full circle around the planet. I mean, I love titties so much, I wish Bitches had three.
We're learning kinks today. Like the team. I don't want to see your eye. You're like, I'm going straight to Mars. Three titty bitches. When he takes us to Mars, it's going to, you're going to fly a couple thousand hours for titties. I'm going to be the first one on the flight.
buying a girl tits and you're like, hey doc, okay, she's down. Okay, I'm gonna pay you extra. He's gonna miss five grand. Put one in the middle. It's for me. He's gonna land on the colony of Mars. Those bastards lie to me. I wanna go home. When's the next time you're going out? When do we go? When do we visit you? When's the best time to visit? I will go in. I love
basically March until June, and then it depends like your tolerance for weather, because it snows where my house is like we can hunt in the snow if you come in July, wild hunting African animals in the snow. So kind of mid March to June, and then
I don't know, September, October. But any time you guys can go, we'll go. How's March? It's March. It's awesome. It's my favorite time. It's the fallow rut. And my buddy's family that I live on this family is from Scotland. They were gifted the land by the Queen 200 years ago. And they brought fallow deer to South Africa. And they free range now and thrive in the fallow rut. It's so fun.
And you're going to hunt in America, oh, you go get to shoot one animal. I shot 24 fallows in the rut last year. But you all got kicked off the bench.
I did. I got kicked out of the conservancy. Why? Because I fucking get after it, dude. You can't accept that. Don't tell it. Sorry. I'm an overachiever. There's a quota for animals. And I give up there first. Like, I see the quota. It doesn't say quota for Kevin. It says, here's the quota. Like, I pay the bill. That's family's land. It's like, I can't wait to kill them all.
But I did, so it like the kid at the Easter egg hunt that's pushing other kids down. But at 24, they're like, we're going to have to have a talk. What? I was like, well, I thought the quota was 32. Well, it is. I was like, why are we talking? Save some for the rest of everybody. Like what?
Like I pay my bills. Can you ship any of the meat home or is that a meat? No, but the trophies, but I don't ship anything. What do you guys do with the meat? Depends. We eat a lot of it. I mean, it's the only source for meat there, but there's 100 person staff on the ranch goes to do cattle as well. And so we feed the staff and then any that's left like when my guys come over because we fucking ball and we can shoot.
The last bobcats is winning. I'll ball. That's exactly what I was adding. That is a pirate. There's so much excess. There's an orphanage in that closes down to which we provide meat to. You're just going to say you hang your trophies there.
No, but you can so you sell it to a butcher and they sell it to restaurants and stuff So yeah, I can South Africa you can eat the wild game and restaurants and get it at the butchery that's so when we're there like we might shoot Depending on what we're doing a hundred or 150 animals in a month
Oh, shit. And so it's more meat than we need for the staff and for us. So then we'll sell it and it gets consumed or we'll just feed all the staff in the valley. It's kind of cool. Whenever we go to Ox Ranch, like sometimes they're like in-house kitchen there because they'll have animals that die on property or just extra leftover or whatever. They have a menu there and then they sometimes they just have wild game burger and you just ask the chef, like, what's it today? Oh, it's zebra or whatever it is. They always lie to you. Just don't even ask.
I was a fucking three day old ostrich we fell in the saddle road. Ostrich is good. Hippo hippo is really good. Hippo is really good. You were a shoot mow dang. I do that little fucking hippo. I'm glad Cody's not here. They have joys of hippos in Cameroon. What's that? They have a drawer of hippos in Cameroon. Do they?
Everything is so wild. Yeah, the jungle and camera in the forest. So they have little three inch long squirrels too. It's crazy. But that's where the pygmies live. The people?
And so you hunt with them and like a little 80-pound pig me man can carry 200 pounds on his back. How tall is shit? Like four, six, four, five. I don't, I don't believe you. It's true. It's video. How can an 80-pound man carry 200 pounds? Look at ants. They're stronger than you. They're born and they're working by the age of two. It's like you can crawl. I think like what would you say like per size that have to be the strongest people on the planet? Really? It's amazing.
Like on the back of the truck, they'll reach up and grab the rack, just pull themselves up with one hand. Like a monkey or something, they're so strong. Well, that's all. Yeah. There's a video of them ripping a man apart. Oh, God, they are like buckets. I mean, they're just so tough. But so there's dwarf buffalo. There's dwarf elephant. So the forest elephant are half the size of regular elephants. There's dwarf hippo. Are they way more aggressive?
Yeah. Well, and I don't know if it's because they're smart. It's just the jungle is like, makes you angry. Oh, yeah. So you're getting hunted because you're smaller. I'm also I'm trying to find it. Like they're also just super fucking skinny. Like I'm thinking of like what a small like four foot man would look like carrying 200 pounds. There's all my Instagram. You can see it. No shit.
my last time I did a forest buffalo and a bongo and so we'll walk and so the the forest is so thick the paths will be very narrow and just one guy and you can't even like jump into the bush it's so thick and it's a triple canopy like jungle it's it's
Gnarly like it'd be a hundred thirty degrees, but you'd never see the Sun all day. I once you entered the forest It's like you can't ever see the Sun. That's terrifying also so great every every snake and in Cameroon's venomous to 30 species They're watching that's the We carry on all the packing out the meat so when we were 11 kilometers and so that's six hours in I
And when I shot the bongo or the buffalo, I can't really tell which one that is. They go, there's bark that they use for the straps, but they make baskets. They make backpacks there when you shoot it. And then the only thing they don't carry out is stomach contents. So the buffalo weighs 850 pounds. The only thing they left were the stomach contents and four of them carried everything else out. So you start doing the math.
And the bond goes, so. Dude, oh my God. I'm gonna have to show Matt for you. Like if you want to get down on the ground, you have to help them get up generally. But then once they're up, they just go and you can't keep up with them.
So these are like jeez that last one this and like yeah, their waist is like this big approximately the size of Eli yeah, dude if we get these guys a giant there we get these guys on steroids and CrossFit we will have champions. I thought when I was there a trend out big
They just knew CrossFit world. What I thought when I was over there is if you started like a pygmy UFC league in Cameroon, it would be the best fights in the entire world.
Oh, I guarantee they'll be monsters in the ring. Just throw away them. What are you doing in it? 75 pounds. Just on their head, bash 40 kilos. It's an ultra featherweight. That's a pound maximum. Wild. Yeah, it's cool. Africa's wild, man. I mean, just this one place in Africa right there, the Congo and Cameroon, there's all these dwarf animals. Like, everything is half-sized. The people, the animals, everything.
That is fucking weird. How does that happen? I don't know. You can shoot hippos there. It apparently tastes really fucking good. Hippos are closest thing to be. When you shoot, there's a few animals that you can be so remote. There's not a village anywhere around. You shoot an elephant or you shoot a hippo or certain things. You start gutting that thing, you turn around and there's 60 people with buckets there.
Yeah, so hippo is like the prize meat. It's delicious. Interesting. Yeah, because I mean, like that, I like you always like innately feel bad thinking that it's like endangered because we never see it. But like, I didn't realize this, but like iguanas in Florida. Like people shoot this all the time because they're just an invasive pest.
But you've never seen iguana, so you just assume like, oh, I guess you can't shoot that. They shoot a fucking all day long. And then hippos are aggressive as they kill. They kill way more than alligators. Like, they're scaring them. They are territorial. It's fucking fast. It's probably the number one thing that encrocks that kill natives in Africa. It's number two, when you count mosquitoes. Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah, malaria, malaria, yeah. Mosquitoes are number one, and then hippos, and then crocs.
And hippos are running like 30 miles per hour. Or faster. You see how fast they fucking swim? Yeah, they're a little fucking. You know, they run like they're always touching the bottom. Yeah, they're just tops. That's what they're bouncing. So if you see like a hippo, like if you get all the fat and everything off of it, it is like red. And it's like, oh, that's how that thing runs so fast. Just has all this like fat on it. So it can be very buoyant and stuff. But yeah, if you hippo in the water is like, it'll chase your boat and fuck you up.
But the hippo on land if you get if you get when it goes out to feed you get between it and the water Yeah, hippo hunts are very exciting that happens because you have to dome it like it's gonna fuck you up So you have to you have to dome it. Oh, we're going we are going for like a week or two hippo is like what?
Five to six thousand pounds. It's about the size of all the improves. Dude, that's almost as heavy as the Cybertruck. Yeah, that's crazy. Have you watched a pop watermelon? They just put the watermelon? Just the gospel.
This is to evolve run for a really good podcast. Pull up a video of a chimpanzee. I'm here for it. And even in the jungle, the gorillas, the lowland gorillas, not the mountain gorillas, they're half the size too. But seeing a gorilla in the wild is the craziest thing you ever see. Half of these things sound like slurs and I'm trying to keep up.
I don't know. I'm racist. I don't know who should be offended by what. Just that's how we get Kevin canceled. It's bleeping out gorilla. You can't cancel me. We know.
Now big cat, like big cat hunting is absolutely terrifying. That is the one thing everyone always stresses like, oh yeah, like cat hunting is the one thing where it's like these will fuck you up if you're in like high brush or anything. Well, I don't know. Like I've hunted cats and I've hunted everything now and
I'm very careful to not make a bad shot on a cat. Because a cat, they're not tough animals to kill.
But if you wound a cat, if you wound a leopard, especially, it's extremely dangerous to go after it, because they don't warn you they're small enough. They'll be 100 to 200 pounds. They can hide very easily. And but we're like a lion. You wound a lion and he runs into the bush. It's very dangerous, but they'll typically 99% of the time warn you when you get close. So you know, and they'll warn you when they're going to charge. Why do they do that?
How do they do that? I don't know. They're just like Rory. And you can, like a cat roars at you 100 yards away. You fill it in your chest. It's unbelievable. Like a lion is a 550 pound cat. I mean a lion can just slap your head off your body. But a leopard, it's a thousand, no 100 stitches a second when it's on you. Fuck. But so leopard is scarier to me than a lion. And lions are like predictable.
Yeah, I've been fucked up by some man shouldn't have flown 17 hours
Ruby's man, you're safe. But yeah, the cat hunting is, and people are sensitive to it, but it's just like what you say, iguanas or elk or anything else. Like where they are and you can hunt them, generally there's an overpopulation, just like elephants. And most people, like, yeah, elephant, yeah, I didn't even actually care about animals growing up in the city until I started hunting. And I have such a love affair, like with all the African species and
Or here, like whether it's white-tail or whatever, have a much greater appreciation for animals. And all the real conservation comes from hunters. That's all the money. All the greeny stuff is bullshit. And you have to manage the populations. Like elephants go to Kruger National Park now. It's destroyed and it's ruined because they won't manage the elephant population. And there are no tree standing in Kruger anymore. So now there's no kudu. There's no other animals. And now the elephant, the poor things, like it's such a magnificent animal.
But they get nine sets of molar, like teeth in their lifetime. And so they need to eat a lot of green. Well, there's no green because the trees aren't growing in Kruger National Park now. The most beautiful, incredible place on the planet 20 years ago. And so now the elephants are eating bark.
and they're eating limbs. And so now they're molars like an elephant in the wild in Africa traditionally, oh, we have 55 to 60 years. And now they live 40 years because they wear their molars down and, you know, two thirds of the time they used to. And it's fucking sad to see. And, you know, like they won't acknowledge it. Like the greenies won't acknowledge it. It's like you should never shoot an elephant. Well, you're going to cause them all to die.
It's sad. It's one of the things that when I did that elk hunt, it was about a year ago, we went up to Utah. Honestly, like you were talking about where you just start daydreaming, looking off. It is some of those beautiful countries I've ever seen in my life where I was just sitting there falling asleep on the side of a mountain, waiting on an elk with Cody and them. I felt more in touch with nature in that moment than I ever fucking have been in my entire life. No cell phone, no nothing.
But the way that they treat it out there is they're like, look, we're looking for elk that are about this age where it's like, man, everything in their life after that is all downhill. Yeah, they're past their problem. Yeah. It's like they've already peaked. Everything from now on is just going to be sad and a downhill decline until they die of starvation because they can't eat.
It's like big game. It's just harvesting. Yes, big game hunting. That is one of the things they don't understand is like hunters are paying big dollars. And it's not just like, I got this trophy. That's it. It's like, hey, this is feeding everyone a village. Also, it's taking care of overpopulation. And usually the alpha is out of cycle. Exactly. Run it off. Yeah. And, you know, I think it's even like bigger to me. And like, I like to kill stuff. I don't know what that says, but I do like it.
I feel that's innate a little bit. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, it's Donnie Vincent, who's a great hunter and tells a great story of any of his videos. The cinematography is incredible. And he's got this really great line about if he's a real conservationist.
And if you are alive today, at some point, like in your lineage, there were great hunters. Or you would fucking wouldn't be here. They all starved to death. And you start thinking about that, but that connection with nature, it starts to sound all weird and hippy-ish. But if you haven't experienced it, and I think it's one thing, me spending time in African places like you're talking about, like whether it's Utah, Idaho, and remote places, hunting, elk, or whatever, you just feel this connection. But Africa makes me realize,
I love America, but how stupid some things have gotten and how like we're chasing this thing that doesn't really exist here. Like, why does it matter? Like, once you get a certain amount of money, like, like being poor sucks. I get that. I like having money more. I like being poor. But over a certain amount, it doesn't matter. Like, what are you chasing? Like some kind of status or this or that. And you don't know the freedom of if you've not gone and done it being out in nature in a wild place and seeing these things.
Not just like, I love YouTube and I love looking up all the things I can see now, but there's no replacement for going and seeing the Grand Canyon or going to experience in these things. And, you know, I spend months there at a time and I like, we've gotten life wrong in America.
Like, as far as, okay, work hard, do all this, make a bunch of money, get a beach house, retire one day. It's like, you should enjoy every day. You know, like, we create all this stress here. It seems like for just bullshit. But look at all things like you guys and all of us that are, I think, you know, have a reasonable mind, like mocking all the trans, like we come up with things to like about like, how is that?
It's the Dostoevsky thing where it's like, oh, yeah, well, if you had nothing to, if you had no real problems to solve, you will find them. Yeah. It's like, and I feel like that's where we fall into. It's like we just, you know, if you look 200, 300 years ago, what problems were they trying to solve? It's like, okay, those are real motherfucking problems. Living day. Yeah. It's like, now we live in the most racist country in the world. It's like,
And it's looking how things were 200 years ago anywhere. Also, we're struggling, David J. It's really hard. Everyone's dying. Tera, I guarantee you have like one of the best outlooks on life because you're like, man, we have it so good here.
Go live in a place where there's no value online. It's funny where you think like Americans are so self-righteous about Africa. You know the real racism in Africa? Like as someone who, I think I'm half South African now.
I'll say. You're one of my favorite African-Americans. Thank you. But lives there, like the causes, the natives in the south. So they're a mixture of like the original natives now and then like when the French Huguenots came there and then the Dutch came there and everything.
And the Zulu in the north, like Shaka Zulu, like what a great frickin' general and warrior he was, like, incredible. You know, like pretty horrific shit he did, but he was effective. And the Zulu and the Causa, like, they're racist. Like when we, like, is an American, we would think, oh, apartheid is so bad and whites don't treat, blacks well over there, native as well. It's like,
There are no problems between the whites and the natives. The causes and the Zulu hate each other. And it's all just race-based. You're not truly black anymore. You're causing the Europeans showing up and just drawing lines on the map. This is no South Africa. You're talking about a continent where in the last 50 years there was a machete genocide.
Like that's terrible. There's a little shit. You'll see like on some of the ranches I've heard of, it's like if they generally won't have like Zulu and causes working in the same ranch, because eventually there's going to be murders. Yeah. And it's never like, you know what, we would make movies about in America. You try to save the white man and it's not like, no, they'll get an argument over like potatoes in the garden. Those are mine. And next thing you know, in the morning they come get you when I'm stabbed the other one killing him.
It's like over potato. And it's not, like I cannot stress that. It's not. You see that when you go to countries like that. They're all countries. That is like life is a completely different meaning. It's one of the hardest things to get across. Because in everyone's head, you think, oh, that's a bad person. That's not even evil. It's like taking a life is just like breathing. And they don't like this. They're valuable. Yeah, there's no consequence. Yeah, there's no consequence. Disney taught me that they're just like us.
You know how great it would be if like everyone either had like mandatory service or you go live in a third world country for three years and serve somehow.
What's it? U.S. in like the 1850s. It was like survive, provide your families. If you did, then you would die. Yeah. It's the same thing. But the U.S. is so successful in the GDP side that we just give things to people. Yeah. So I'm saying you can't starve here. Like across the board, people are people. Yeah. They're going to survive. They're going to provide for the families. They're going to protect, which is
what they have to do to achieve. That's completely different. Just offset prosperity. I don't know. I feel like at a certain level, biologically, you're wired for a certain amount of adversity. We're like, you're always going to survive. You're going to fight. You're going to do everything so that you can feed your family and you can provide. But when that adversity is not there, your caveman brain is going to find adversity fucking somewhere, even if it doesn't exist.
but we're talking about the the work out to make it harder
Oh, side effect, you get jacked. That's pretty cool. I mean, this is what I love. Look at how soft we are. Like, you spend time in nature, too, and you realize, oh, my lord, humans are good things. We were smart because we had been dead a long time ago. It was so weak, pathetic now. Oh, bro. I was thinking that I was like, man, if we lost internet and power and everything, I was like, oh, oh. OK, what am I good at? OK, well, I'm going to acquire a lot of stuff the easy way.
and some ammo. You could hear neighbors like, wow, thanks for stocking up on food. Otherwise, this is gonna suck. I watch people like outdoor boys. I love watching that dude. He has those kids out there like staying out in the world in this. But that dude is, if you've ever seen his YouTube content, I think we've talked about it multiple times. That he kicks us. Dude, he just goes on a nerdiest looking dude. He's like, oh, we're just gonna go camp out in negative 40 degrees in Alaska.
No tent this time we were doing a new method so I'll find this stump and then I'll build it out and then he two days he'll stay out there and do that.
That's tough. That's a strong mind. I mean, that's the way men need to be though. I mean, we're just getting so weak. It has fucking, yeah, I would die. It's that's how I get humbled. I would die so fast. He hates being cold. He's like basic white girl. Now I get this motherfucker. Colder wet he gives up. He's not as bad at the wet thing as Nick.
We went when we were there in San Diego We're at the hotel there on the beach We all walk to the beach the fucking wave comes up too fast and gets in his shoes and he has like a tism fit
And like literally leaves and just like I I've got to go buy new shoes and goes and we're just like you can well. I have a spare pair that okay. Love me Nick Nick is one of my favorite fucking people and it's He's probably one of the better adjusted amongst us, but it's funny to see that tism come out. I knew it. I knew it was somewhere
Oh, he seems tough too. Is that we San Diego wet? I thought you were gonna say like I don't know like great light wet in December Get his fucking shoes wet he'll freak down. He loves the cold that dude's like I don't know why you guys don't move to I was it's fine up here So I just moved I was he doesn't talk like that like at all It's next new boy
But speaking about that, that racial divide in Africa where you have like those, I guess combative interactions between locals, are you like, we can cut this if it doesn't fit? But can you tell that story about when that did actually escalate to violence at that ranch? Well, no, several stories. I mean, it's kind of what I said. Like it's always this undertone of,
The different, like I guess you would say, racist there, the causes in the Zulu, they're both very offended by one of them being in charge of the other. It's very offensive to them. And so it always ends up in some violence. And so I think is a ranch manager owner, you have to be like aware of that. Which is like in the cause of culture, like Naseepo, or Cook, she's a 55 year old causal woman.
It's so incredible. Well, in their culture, she's in charge. It's sort of like in some Middle Eastern cultures, like the eldest woman is in charge. And so it's just this weird dynamic and it always escalates in.
They tend to drink a lot. And so ranches that will allow them to drink, like at their ranches, it tends to, you know, like a lot of stuff, it escalates things. But one that I can think of is these three guys that worked on a ranch.
They lived in a little house together on the ranch stuff, staff housing. And so it was two causes and one Zulu. And so the most senior guy was a calls a guy and the Zulu guy didn't like it, him being in charge. And so that night they go home, they start drinking and cooking and one, one of potatoes and one wanted, what's the name of the stuff? It's like grits that they have. I always forget the name.
But like a corn sort of thing. So one of potatoes, one of that. And so they're drinking and they start arguing over it. And so the Zulu guy just takes the old butcher knife and gets in between the ribs there. And it's like we're having potatoes.
and then they go to that is wild at escalations to the ranch and this is like common with in that but it's always that sort of crime it's just very rarely towards. Like white people there's just they don't like each other.
And so the ranch owner, he was telling me and he says, yeah, so the Zulu guy wakes him up in the morning, he's like, you know, Mr. R, Mr. R, we need that there's a situation. Says, what the fuck is it? Come see, you know, so and so is hurt. Oh, shit. Okay, go down there.
You know, he's cold. He had died 12 hours earlier. Very dead. And just lying in the kitchen floor with all the dried blood and everything. And he's like...
What happened? And he tells him quickly, oh, what happens? And Mr. R just says, we don't have a problem. You have a problem. And just went out the door, locked him in the cottage. And so it made him sit in there, call the police, tell him there'd been a murder. It took him a day and a half to get there. God. He made him stay in the window. But it's like that kind of senseless shit. And that's the thing you see in third world countries.
Americans were generally immune to it, you know? Like, you know, your uncle Rodney and whatever cousin Kit might get in the whole argument with one another, but no one stabbing each other in the kitchen and killing them. This was over potatoes. Not typically. Yeah, and it's just like, it's that kind of stupid shit.
Well, another story, like my pH was telling me several years ago in Zambia, they shot an elephant, and the local village comes to... A pH? Professional hunter, so it's like your guide. He was saying, and he was a young guy back then, and they shoot an elephant, and generally in most of Africa, the elephant, like you get the hide, and you get like the skull and the tusk. Like the needle belonged to the local villages.
And that's just most places probably sort of just a sham handshake deal or it's just what they do to support the villages. And to keep them from poaching all the elephants like we'll feed you. So don't poach everything. Excuse me, because a lot of people don't understand like lions and elephants and hippos and all like they're going to be poached out of existence if there's not hunting because there is no value other than meat to to any of the native villages. Like you think about a 500 pound cat living in New York.
You know, because they all raise. Thank you. Cattle and goats. And so if you're a lion and you live there, it's like, oh, all you got to do is live over there in the bush. You just jump this little fence. You grab you a little calf every day and you're good. And so they snare them and kill them all. So there's no value to a lion if they're not hunted by natives.
Um, but so anyway, they shoot this elephant. The village comes and so they're skinning it to get the hide and get the skull and then they're done and it belongs to the village and they start just taking the meat and they have, you know, machetes and axes and knives.
And so once they gut it and get everything out, and the elephant's so big, they go into the rib cage and start cutting the meat now. Then guys go on top, and women, and they're cutting meat off the ribs and everything, and then hacking the ribs off with an axe, and he's sitting there watching them as they're loading up the hide, and the guy with the axe misses the ribs, hits somebody square in the head, blow them, kills him dead.
They do not stop. He comes down off the rib, gets the guy, drags him out, lays him down and goes back to hacking the rib. Jesus, like no one stopped to acknowledge it. And like, that's, that's like reality over there. Like that's the value of life in a lot of those places. Like that meat is so valuable to them.
Yeah, and it's just shit like that happens all the time, like you don't think about it. It's just not the way we live here. No. Yeah. That's what. Damn it. And he said no one else stopped doing anything. And the guy just came down and drug the dude out and laid him down and then went back to much like Indians with trains.
Just all over. Lots of you good men on that journey. How inconvenient. Oh shit. I cannot wait. That is one place I truly look forward to. Hey, if it'll change Hemingway and Roosevelt's lives, it'll change yours. How long do we do brain?
I'm down for the he was he was saying in the airport like at least a week. Yeah. Yeah. 10 days. 10 days is awesome. But if you can only do a week, a week's great to.
That'd be awesome. No, I appreciate the invite because I really would like to do that. I would love for you guys to come. There is internet so you guys can do your work. How is it bringing guns to Africa? It's easy. You can't bring semi-autos, but you can have semi-autos in South Africa. There's no barrel length restrictions. So when you're in charge of ATF, there's general ATF, then we can do away with short barrel rifles. They didn't even have that in Africa.
Like, yeah, I like we always joke about how cucked the UK is, but at the same time, it's like, well, to them having suppressors is just like being decent to your neighbor. Yeah, it's so stupid. But taking the guns in and out are easy, but I've permanently exported a lot of guns over there. So there's plenty of guns for hunting and stuff. So it's like taking a boom box to Africa is not a thing you can do.
No, but we have two over there. Interesting. Okay. I mean, we did it legally. I don't want to sell. Yeah. But we had to promote you export my, you can't take that eyebrow raise. We're at the eyebrow raise. Just that one black bar. You can't do it. But there's two there. So the black bar follows. Yeah. So permanently exported honey badgers, sugar weasels or AR base gun.
And then two boom boxes. So once it's, and those are all being improved now, actually yesterday, Andrew, buddy who I live on his property, picked up like 16 of the guns. The Simile autos take a little longer for the permanent export once they're there to be licensed than the bolt guns. So.
But yeah, so we'll have them there. And we do coals, about three coals a year in different places, to even know as like spring buck and blessed buck. And some of the animals are selective grazers, and they eat the good grass for the cattle. And so we keep those populations down, because if you have one blessed buck, then that's one cow you can't have up there. And so we'll use helicopters to do coals. And coaling and helicopters in the mountains, it's fun.
Because it's way tougher than like in Texas and flat gray like this is you know 6,000 feet elevation of helicopters getting blown over. We normally do it with the bolt guns, but now we're gonna have some auto so good times Hell yeah, I was so fucking stoked for this. This is gonna be heavenly
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Are you just eating all the meat like that you harvest that day or is like how what are dinners or meals like yeah, I want to leave Africa with the keto shit good. The meals are so good like I actually end up gaining weight over there. I mean even though I walk up mountains every day.
Because, like, I don't eat dessert, not a bread when I'm in the States, but the cost of women make the best bread in the world. And it's fresh every day, and they have it all there. And then they love desserts. And like all the cost of women are like 300 pounds. So like the idea of people starving over there. Yeah, not really.
And so I end up even gaining weight when I'm over there, even though I'm probably burning like 4,000 calories a day. Because yeah, she makes me desserts every night. But the food is great because it's all organic in the sense of it's all free range. So they're not being, you know, we get... RFK approved.
Yeah, so you go kill something, we eat it, but there's a there's a big cooler about the size of this. So there's, you know, so when there's big groups there, we're hunting a lot that, you know, the house. Yeah. It's about the size of fucking the living room and kitchen. Yeah, it is.
And so, you know, sometimes if we shoot an eel under something, we eat the back straps that night, like we'll bry, that's barbecuing in South Africa. But generally, you know, you want to hang for a week or a week and a half and...
But yeah, I mean, all you eat is what you kill there. And then we have a garden. So everything from broccoli to peppers or whatever. And you know, there's, there's no pesticides or use like none of the animals are fed bullshit or injected with bullshit. Yeah, no Cheerios or anything. So like you eat real clean and it's delicious. Man, those women can cook.
It's like those starving African children, you're describing these amazing meals. Meanwhile, I'm sitting there like 2 a.m. with a fucking, what is it, an uncrustable? More chemicals, please. Give me the red 40, Daddy.
It's interesting, a lot of people that have never been before, because I try to encourage everyone I know and care about to come over there. And yeah, like... And then us. But even the girls from the office, they were worried about the food and stuff, and I'm like, no, you don't get it. Your accommodations are nicer than your house.
you know, that you live in. And then it's like, no, the food is incredible. And they all say if they've never really traveled stuff before, it's like within a week, they feel so much better. It's just like, you're not eating bullshit. The American food, it sucks when you go overseas and you eat out there. You're like, oh.
Oh, this is actually when they care about the process. They're buying or cooking it that day. Everything is not refrigerated. I then take time to get to the restaurant. I love red 40. It's so delicious. We get paid $10 every time we say Monsanto. Monsanto. Monsanto. Monsanto.
That's why I get so excited to do something like that, because it is an experience like, again, it's a bucket list like we never knew we had the opportunity to have on the bucket list. And I was like, yeah, so cool. And you know, it's just the hunting when people think about it. The reason I love hunting is actually the adventure.
You know, it's cool. Like, we shoot stuff that we eat and that's fine. And, you know, doing our part for real conservation, because I want, like, if it weren't for hunting, all these animals would be extinct. And we'd just like be reading about them. And, you know, like, I'm building, like, a conference room, about a 5,000 square foot, like 20 foot ceiling conference room, like trophy room there.
And it's all mostly going to be like some aspirational hunts and stuff like animals that are shooting Ethiopia or Cameroon or Congo or whatever in a full body mount so people can see when they go there because I want to know when people come over there.
You know, the South Africans, it's a pretty, by African standards, a pretty vanilla hunt, you know, planes game hunt, but it's so fun and wonderful, but it's very inexpensive relatively too. But the other animals, full body mounting them, because a lot of people come there and see them and be inspired to go to other parts of Africa that need the help too. You know, so forest elephants can survive.
You know, they're in just a small area of West Africa. And, you know, the pygmy elephants have the size. And the day that they stop hunting there, they're extinct. Like the natives will kill all of them. And, you know, so to keep hunting in different areas of Africa alive, so these animals will be there and three or four generations from now and people can still see them. It's just like the thing, the argument, like,
Why are cows still plentiful, but the buffalo are almost, you know, extinct in most of the country? It's because nobody owned the buffalo. Yeah. Good point. Yeah. Actually, really good point. Yeah. We got wiped those motherfuckers out. American dude, we're a good job at that. It's just like, I just kill them all. So I got walls. I don't know if you've chased, put up the picture of you've seen the buffalo. Oh, the, the buffalo. Yeah. Yeah.
They fucking leave us wild photos from back in those days. I mean, it'd be okay, too, if they didn't taste good or something, but it's like, whoa, Buffalo is so delicious. Man, I was just on your ground. What do we do? I know. I mean, cows are so dumb, though, if they didn't taste great, we'd probably kill them all. But Buffalo, that's good meat.
That's we'll go there and then Japan I still want the guys to go visit Japan at least I see probably gonna do a lot of international travel next year That'd be good. We're actually talking about doing a first like show out in Canada We have to test that marketplace because that would be our first like outside the worst the worst United States the worst of the universe 50 first day wherever we have it we had
Oh, Uncle D. Jean walked. Yeah. He pulled up to the border parked and walked across to us and Buffalo. He's worried about his truck tags. So he just fucking walked across. That's pretty awesome. I think he's a good friend. Don't story on.
He's like knocked on the thing. Hey, like what the fuck are you doing? It was like seven degrees. Yeah, just stormed. So I'm going to America. He was just on my way to America. Why? Because he kind of just kept walking. Yeah. No shade. He got there and then went back the other way.
I'm like, oh, thank you. The only snow Mexican illegal immigrants. The snow Mexicans were big. That was called the thank you Buffalo, by the way. Y'all were fantastic. It's a good show. That was, yeah. Y'all rowdy as shit. They did, uh, like.
Yeah, the first thing that we didn't hear that entire time until Buffalo. So many high school basketball games. Yeah, no, it was like fucking cool, man. It's like Buffalo people throwing people through tables, stomping on the floor. It was a whole fucking building. Mafia is wild. It builds mafia. I like all none of us knew that cheer Angry Cops did.
You know when he had the beginning or did you know that's a universal thing is a man I don't sports at all. I had no idea what you're sporting the chance that they did which I don't remember it right off the top. I had a buffalo and then he said something else like multiple times and they were cheering back to his cadence and we were like what the fuck is he going to pull the table out on stage.
and the multiple of us got chokeslam through a table. I'm bringing it to? Oh yeah. Football. Yeah, I think that brainer was like, fuck it. Yeah, Rich is just like, come up. I'm like, we didn't rehearse it, didn't mention it at any point. I'm like, ah, shit, sure. I'm glad you didn't land on your head.
How much it didn't hurt was kind of surprising. It was just like it's all showmanship, but it's still fun. Do the crowd with fucking wild, wild on those things. It was quite an experience and then Connor killed it on stage.
Let's forget my care connoisseur. Be on stage with us. It's only 1200 people. I smoke cigarettes. That was my whole thing. On every venue, he lit up a cigarette just a smoke in theater. Why wouldn't it?
That's what we were at. He took advantage of us. It was a wonderful excuse to smoke on stage. It's always allowed when it's part of the act. And funny enough, when he's on stage, it's part of the act. There's one, yeah. Doing live shows is a wild experience. It seems fun.
It is a lot of work and fun at this. It's that weird, uh, it drains your social battery. Like most of the guys are introverts. Yeah. So it's like the most draining experience. You're like, Hey, like a high five and talking, getting in front of an audience, Cody's in fear. Cause yeah, I can see that. Yeah. He does not like put it on high fives. Oh man. That's a fucking pick me up. Yeah.
You're coming to work in the morning, you get a fucking high five. It's a way to start the day. Kiss on the mouth. No. We had a... Some Mexican, but if you got titties... HR does not exist now anymore. Any kind of titties? Do we have some dude handed down like he brought cookies from a store and I was like, oh, cookies. And after I ate them, I was like, we... Wow, I should have fucking... Why am I eating food from a stranger? And the name on the box? Yeah, what's your momma? Half baked cookies. I was like, oh... Oh, that. Oh, hey.
Hey, hey, oh, the balcony. That's really sweet. He's like, no, I was like, my trust. Hour and I'm like, okay, we good. I have a trust you random stranger, you're hitting me, edibles. Oh, that's terrible. He's fucking really good at cooking. So well, most people I think naturally are good. And once they're from Buffalo.
Thank you. And then Rich drove the Murph. That was good. That was... Do you know what the Murph is? No. So Angry Cops has a... It's the morale response vehicle, I believe. It's a fire truck that he bought and converted into. It's a mobile bar with a dance floor and everything. He sounds like the best out. Buffalo. Buffalo.
That's why I crossed the country. Who killed it the most on this tour? Who was on fire? Everyone's like everyone's balance. I think yeah Everyone has like dialed in portions like I think again by Boston we had that show so refined everyone got a really good experience because you have from the beginning of
Unsub, we come out and then we announce the guests. And when the guests come out, you have reached during the Hulk Hogan original America song. He walks out with the two by four. Yeah. Waving a giant flag. Someone's heck's all doogin'. Jim Duggan's the one that did it. That's why he's just like, I want that music. I want this to wave it and then rip his shirt off and then put that down and be like, and Carter or King Trout and you block out.
Pull your cigarette out, getting ready. Spilling my whole bit smoking. Yeah. Oh, yeah. At the one venue where I accidentally spilled fucking white claws across the stage on the perfect comedy beat though. Yeah, that was on purpose. I caught her afterwards. The guy in the backstage was like, dude, you guys have that fucking dialed. How did you sabotage the bag to rip at that moment?
I'll never see these ever again in my life. Even if you do love you, just get after it. Yeah, it is a good time. Everyone kills it like every like break the jokes are so dialed in everyone's just playing off of each other the
a buffalo show went completely different ways, which is to be expected with Rich in his home turf. Yeah, we have like sets kind of rehearsed and then that one was like, it was good because people go from like multiple shows. They were from Atlanta to Buffalo. Yeah, they went to both shows and they're like, man, it's a completely different show. We're like, that wasn't on purpose. These just aren't rehearsed and they kind of just fucking go where they go at the end of the day. That's so great. I guess if you have one person doing comedy,
Yeah, it's interesting about a group because if you have an off night or you fuck up, like you don't, yeah, you don't have like a tribe to support you. Yeah, it's just yeah. Yeah, like lines living in a pride, you know, like a leopard solitary its whole life. They only gets together to bang. And then so if it gets hurt, it can't feed itself. It dies. But you know, you live in a pride like a lion gets hurt like fucked up. They'll still give him some food.
Please survives. Interesting thinking about it like that. That's the word that sums up on sub, the best is pride. Yes. Also when a joke doesn't land, we... Like, he makes fun of it. He said a joke, and he looked and was like, yeah, that would really kill the bridge.
And then everyone starts laughing. Yeah, it was a really good time. And then everyone's like good because you're on edge because it is live. You're calling out the audience because you don't want cell phones recording anything that is said during live shows. Yeah.
The more cell phones you see, like the lamer of the show has to be. Throws you off. Yeah. You reel back in jokes real consciously. You're like, Dave Chappelle, a bit where he's talking about where he bombed. You know, that man is like, well, if Dave Chappelle can mock by himself, but I love that. Well, I get paid for the attempt. Y'all paid. I can leave right now. I'm still paid at the end of the day. Unsubscribed podcast is on par with Dave Chappelle.
Yeah, that's what I said. It's the one of her. I love the one where I think it was in Philadelphia with a Bill Burr, where he just starts a roast in the audience. Or like, he was gonna leave. He's like, no, fuck you and just starts paring into the town. Was it that or? Yeah, that was really good. Yeah, it's all so great. It's all so great. It's a fucking seven body and a money. Yeah, so you can do whatever the fuck you want. But then they loved him for it. Like about halfway through, they're like, all right, this guy's cool. We use that character. Yeah. And that's what's really good on stage when you have like,
Rich offsetting, Rich is the one that will like pick on the audience. Like he's all fucking hard. And then you also have like, what's the superpowers? A girl would say her superpower and Connor would be like, you're offset your woman. So yeah, how our superpowers work is like, oh, Cody can fly in order to fly. He has to yell racial slurs. We offset. Did we ever give Kevin a superpower? Did you get a superpower when you realized that? I think it was something about giant feelings.
I think we were all hammered that episode. I don't know. I don't even remember the show. You were sleeping in my truck after that. I like the part. He fell asleep someplace else first. Oh, yeah. Do you remember? I think I have a photo on my. No, I probably don't want to see it. You fell asleep all surprisingly. At the bar with your sandwich, halfway spilling onto the cash register.
I had a great day. It was a fantastic day. I was like, I think I was just like. And we were just all like looking at each other like this is so fucking surreal. Hey buddy, let's go to the car. We just walked in and everybody turned on the rap train and just like out. Oh, what good friends you guys are? Dude, of course. We got you back. And just like good friends, we took pictures first.
We actually do that. And like better friends, we've never put them on the internet. You guys are gold. We're gonna keep those. Those are for us. Chase pulled those up. I'll send it to you. Just hundreds of thousands of dollars. Fuck you. Oh, man. I like fun.
Yes, you do. We're going to have Mr. Connor close this out when he will blondie over here. Connor, before you close it out, can you explain that hand-drawn photo? You're going to hide it? The actual photo was grandpa.
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Yeah. Might have been some kind of mench. It's like a high five, but it's a 45 degree angle again. The uber kind of mench, if you will. Indians. Anyway.
Thank you for watching the unsubscribe podcast. As always, I'm joined by Eli Doubletep. I am here with Kevin Burdingham, Brandon Herrera, and myself, Donut Operator, or King Trout, and whoever you ask. Thank you. Thank you for watching. Love you guys! Kevin, where do we find you, by the way? Africa. Find him at at Africa. Africa.com, hashtag Africa.
I love you guys, we're gonna do an after show. Be like 10 minutes. Patreon, go check it out. Kisses, love. Watch Africa be like a black dot com kind of sighting. I hope it's gay porn.
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