Oh, three, two, one. Tim Pooley, mad man. How's it going? Dude, the ride that you made to get here, you drove from the other side of the continent in a bug out van. Well, I mean, you've had guests on who've driven here. You drove here. You drove here, but it took four days. It took four days. It's a different kind of drive. Have you ever done that before? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not in the van, but I've driven around the country too many times.
The van's pretty dope. I'm impressed. I told you last year I was getting the van, and I got a bunch of people on Twitter making fun of me. Like, oh, he's going to get a bug out van. He's crazy. I got a van. You got a bug out van. You can live in that thing. Oh, totally dude. The solar power on it? Yeah. Last year forever. That's pretty amazing. I didn't know that you could power everything. So you have a solar power roof panels that is, is it less effective in like Jersey where it's cloudy right now? Oh, totally, totally. How much difference is it once cloudy?
I mean, several hours of magnitude. Yeah. Yeah, like barely work. I mean, it works. It works. It works well enough. But right here, it works great. Right here, the sun is so intense and just gnarly. If you go outside, you can feel it on your skin. Yeah, my solar thing's like, you're good forever. Don't worry. Turn the AC on full blast. Really? So if I run the AC on full blast, it will probably last if I start when the sun comes up.
It may be like, I don't know, 14 hours. Wow. That's intense though, man. AC. If I use just the fan to get circulation, I can play PlayStation, I can watch movies, I can turn the music on full blast. And you could probably with AC, you could probably turn it on and off as the temperature goes up and down. Yeah. And the van, is it insulated at all? Oh man, like crazy. Yeah. Yeah, these guys, I was trying to find somebody to help me modify this thing for a while.
I think when I was here last time, I had the van, but it was empty. And then I found these guys in Jersey, they do police modification stuff, like gun racks and seats. And I guess because the van life thing started getting big, I did a Google search, I couldn't find anybody. The van life thing?
Yeah, van life, man. What are you talking about? So on YouTube, van life was this big trend. I think it's kind of waning a little bit, but there was one woman who got like two million subscribers and one video because she lives in her van with her pet snake or something like that. Oh, she's probably hot. Is she hot? She's a younger, I think so.
I haven't actually seen the video, so I'm like making the assumption that, you know, making YouTube video, you're a single female in a van, you know. And I think the video is like, here's how I shower, so naturally you get to go. It's a good move. Yeah, but there's a master rate, four million views. Yeah, yeah. These guys over where I live, I guess I couldn't find anybody to do this. The wait lists are crazy.
Like they're pro companies that do van modification. Eight month wait period. Really? Yeah, so I went on Google Maps of all places just because I was like maybe that's my problem. I typed in van modification and two miles from me, boom, this guy pops up and he does him and his company. They did modifications for local police departments on like SWAT van, surveillance vans and things like that. I wonder if I'm supposed to be saying that? Probably not. Probably not. But they didn't tell you to keep your mail shot.
No, actually, he was like, yeah, let people know we do this work. You know what I mean? What's the name of the company? Diversified vehicle systems, I think. Man, if I got that name wrong, I feel so bad. Well, see if you can find it, Jamie. Yeah. Diversified vehicle system sound. Or services.
Yeah, and it's got cool photos of like SWAT fans and stuff. I'm stoked to do, you know, he hooked me up. That thing's amazing. It is interesting that you can power everything from the solar panels. You can power your monitors because you have it set up in there. We have monitors and lights, you have cameras. Yeah. What kind of, do you have an internet connection?
I use my phones, but but there is there is on the roof. This thing called a wine guard and have 5g on your phone, right? You have the yep. Oh, yeah. Oh, here it is. Diversified vehicle services. That's him. That's that's quick. That's your interior before the van heads to type. Okay. Yeah. You're making this guy's week. Good. Cool. Good for him. He's cool, dude. Yeah.
So how long did it take for them to trick it out? I think it took like a maybe three weeks to a month and then felt super confident to drive that thing all the way across the country. Totally. Was it weird at all? No, it was pretty awesome. Was there any spots you stopped in? You're like, what in the fuck? Oh, barstow type type areas. There was just because like the pandemic and all that stuff. Well, the pandemic and their weird already.
I've driven across this country too much. I've purposefully, in the past, have driven through really weird parts, like off of Interstate Highways. I've been in some pretty crazy places. I've been to one motel that once looked like used to be a prison or something. Used to be a prison? They turned into a motel? No, no, no. I'm just saying it looked like it did. Oh, OK. Like, there's no windows. There was just, like, those block windows you can't see through with, like, the weird, wavy glass. I had no idea what the building used to be. But it was a motel now. It looked like I was in a meat locker or something.
But there was, there's one town. I think it was in New Mexico. I don't want to say the name because I get it wrong. But they put up a sign saying no one's allowed in. Nobody. The whole town. The whole town was closed up. Because of the pandemic. Yep. No one's allowed. Can you do that? It said no visitors, no business, something like that. It said, it's like residents only. Is that legal? I don't think it is. That's weird, right? A lot of this stuff is like, what is legal as far as like, as far as lockdowns?
What's legal? Is it completely up to the, there's a debate right now, right? Whether or not it's completely up to the governors, whether it's the mayors have individual liberty in whatever town. I mean, I'll tell you what, sounds like the Constitution doesn't exist right now.
Well, I wouldn't go that far. I would say hyperbolic, but there's definitely some protections. Let's put it this way. Let's be as generous as possible, protections that are in place to shield the vulnerable people from the pandemic. But a lot of folks feel like there's some overstepping and there's a problem with power, man. If you give power to people, they do not like to give it back. They always think it's better with me in charge.
There was one documentary I saw a long time ago. Some activists went to the CEO of Shell, and he talked to him, and he was like, listen, you got to understand I'm trying my hardest. With me at the helm, I'm doing such good things for the environment. They always think they're the benevolent dictator. That's why I think decentralization is so much more important in so many different aspects. Yeah, that is a weird trait that human beings have when they get into a position like that, right? But the type of person who would want to be a governor to begin with, the type of person that would want to run the entire state,
Yeah. I don't trust any individual to have good intentions. They do have good intentions, but I don't trust them to actually know what's best for everybody. There's no way you can. To be able to be accurate about all the different predictions in this regard, when you're talking about this pandemic thing. One of the biggest problems I'm looking at is who determines what's essential and what's not essential.
Yeah, weed stores are essential. So we heard it like in Michigan, for instance, they were closing off certain parts of certain stores. Did you hear about this? No. So a lot of people took it because there were photos of seeds at Walmart or something where there was like a tape saying, you can't, you know, this part of the store is closed. And so the story went out that you weren't allowed to buy seeds anymore. The story actually was that
Stores over 50,000 feet had to close off non-essential areas like flooring and gardening and things like that. And who's to determine what isn't essential about any of those services? Particularly gardening. I'm saying if there's a time where you want to have your own food readily available in your backyard, now's the time.
Well, even think about just general hardware, if they're going to shut that down, what if a hole breaks open in your floor, you know, your kid falls through it or something? You got that fixed. Yeah. I mean, that's a serious safety issue. So you've got these governors determining what is essential and what isn't. I heard a good
argument for keeping liquor stores open because I was like come on liquor stores but someone said actually it is to prevent people from going into detox from having problems detoxing or they would take up a hospital bed that we need potentially need because of the virus. That makes sense. I also think about the reality of you take away booze in a time of a crisis and you're gonna see people's nerves snap real quick.
Have you seen the video of this guy jogging down the street and he examines everybody's recyclables? No. And it's all filled with vodka bottles and tequila and whiskey and wine. And it's like, he just goes from house to house. And he's like, let's see what they've been up to. Oh, well, people are so stressed out. They're just getting hammered. Yeah. There's going to be a lot of liver damage when this is all. A lot of good horses too. Yeah. I heard that's that's going up. Oh, yeah. People and domestic abuse and things like that. Oh, sure. And suicide.
Here's the prediction I made very early on. I was talking to my friends. I think I said this. What they're going to do, they're going to say, we're only going to keep things closed until April 12th. And that's what Trump said at first. Easter, we're going to come open up. And I said about a week before, they're going to say, oh, we got to push it back. Sure enough, April 30th. Then May 15th, now it's June 1st. June 1st for who? I think New York just announced this. They said June 1st? Yeah.
But I think they said they're going to start May 15th with outside of New York City, right? Is that what Cuomo said? I'm not entirely sure. I feel like he said they're going to start. I do know a lot of jurisdictions have slowly entered the phase one. There was that Trump argument with Camp in Georgia about going too fast and stuff like that. So I guess, you know,
People starting to realize if you don't open things up, there's nothing to save, right? What's freaking to me about all of this is the tribalism behind whether or not we should reopen the economy or stay locked down. It's connected to everything, right? What do you mean? The tribalism. It's connected to everything. It's connected to everything. Totally. So I had a friend messaging me saying, stupid people who want haircuts are going to get us all killed and they're going out and protesting.
And the first thing I'm like, you really don't think just because one guy was holding that dumb sign. That's what everyone is thinking, right? No, that's not the case. But what's crazy to me is you had the UN, a UN advisor come out and say, we're looking at 130 million people are going to starve because of the economic shutdown. And that's going to be much worse, potentially, than the actual pandemic itself. And these kind of facts are ignored because of the tribalism of what's happening. You know, Trump tweets it out. Therefore, it's an outright left, you know, conservative, whatever.
I don't think they know exactly what to do. I mean, I think there's some educated decisions that are being made by medical professionals, and then they have to adjust those based on new statistics that come in. And I don't know if they have adjusted. Like the initial idea was that there was an X amount of people that were infected in California. It turns out there's many, many, many more. And the most recent thought is that there's somewhere around 400,000. Now, there has been some dispute about these studies.
You know, whether or not these studies are accurate, whether or not the tests are accurate, whether or not you can get it again, whether or not even matters if you've already had it. You might be able to get it again. But there's no adjustments. No one's saying, hey, this is way less deadly than we thought it was going to be.
This sounds like the problem of government. I've never been one of these small government types. As much as people might want to argue with me, I lean a little bit left on a lot of issues like government programs, I think, are good things. It just seems like whenever the government enact something, it's so slow to fix it if it goes bad or when things change, right? So slow to adjust if they need to shift back. They tend to just dump more money into it if it's not working properly.
I want to know why some people just shake this off. That's, to me, the most, it almost seems like you're dealing with more than one virus. It's like you're dealing with a bunch of different versions of a virus. I think you are. I think they've said they found multiple strains, like that it changed a little bit or something. I don't want to count that for sure. I know they did say that about India. They said that the strain that they have in India is apparently very different than the strain they're experiencing in Europe.
Yeah, I heard something similar about like Washington, they found two strains. Liberal men, conservative strains. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the crazy thing to me is that people, a lot of Trump supporters, I'm not trying to blanket every single one, but there's some high profile ones that are really acting like, since the beginning, they've doubted it every step of the way. And I'm like, have you looked at the spike charts? Here's what I say, if in New York City, we're seeing thousands more dead, what are they dying of, if not some kind of,
Infection I mean you can you can call whatever you want you can act like nothing's going on but we're seeing huge spikes and you can't pay attention to them There's fools no matter what you do. There's always gonna be fools. So, you know, it's obviously a real virus It's obviously real dangerous. It's the it will tribalism. Yeah, it's foolish. Yeah, it's you know, you got to just dismiss that stuff you can't even
debate or dwell on it. But what's interesting to me is, well, there's a bunch of parts that are interesting. But what's interesting to me is like, who, like, George has opened, right? And then parts of Montana have opened, there's things that have opened in Texas. Yeah.
It's going to be interesting to see what the response is going to be, whether or not they come back online quicker in their economy, builds up quicker, or whether or not they get a second surge and they have to shut down longer. And it winds up being that maybe you should have waited longer and would have had less infection. We just saw a city of 10 million in China enter lockdown again.
To what degree, I'm not entirely sure, but they've announced, you know, re-upping all the social distancing measures and certain closures and stuff like that. And they're saying it's because someone, a student, I think they're saying a student from the U.S. came back. Of course they're saying that. Right, right, right. Re-ignited it. But there's also a bunch of studies now about reinfection. You know, it's a whole lot of we don't know and everyone's freaking out.
Whenever there's a new disease and everybody's got a scramble in real time to try to figure out what the fuck to do about it And we're all just weirded out everybody's weirded out, you know No one knows like what is normal now? What is what is reality the reality? We live in like you see movies now when people hug or shake hands and you're like
What are you doing? I've been watching these commercials. You see these commercials? They're all the same, where it's like, we're all in this together, and then it shows people banging pots and pans, and it's like, we may not be able to hug anymore, but the love is there. It's like, all identical, but then all of a sudden, an older commercial pops up.
And I was watching this the other day, and it's like a guy walks up, shakes his buddy's hand, pets him on the back, and then gives his wife a kiss on the cheek. And I'm like, that's an old commercial. I can tell it's an old campaign, because they would not do that. Most of them are old, because you can't shoot anything anymore. I'm curious how they're doing these commercials where they film New York. I guess they're going out in New York, and filming people actually cheer from their balconies and stuff.
Huh, yeah. Look, you know, I think there's a real, there's a real tough question. Nope, that a lot of people want to ignore. I think there's a lot of Trump supporters who are pushing it because they're in favor of reopening the economy. But there's like that equation of at what point is having things shut down more damaging than, you know? So at a certain point, we have to recognize people are going to die no matter what we do. Well, there's a Bloomberg, not, not the mayor, but there's a Bloomberg statistic on
the economy that measures the downside, like when the economy goes down, how many people die because of it? And you could kind of trace it. It's very disturbing. And when we're talking about deaths, we're talking about there's something that we can immediately deal with. It's right in front of us. It's a disease that's happening right now. Go after it, stop it.
But the secondary reaction to that, in fact, because you're closing the economy, might wind up killing as many people as you're trying to avoid being killing in the long run. Or more. Yeah, or more. I don't know. The big story on the UN was that their advisor said 235 million starving in the next year or so unless things kick back into gear.
Well, hopefully they are going to take it back in the year. California is supposed to open up on May 15th, but the governor has been, I don't know if he enjoys it, but it seems like they definitely are comfortable with being the person they get to say. This is shut down and we're going to keep it shut down.
Dude, the authoritarianism is scary. It's weird the rest of the people for fucking going to the park with their kids. You see that tweet from the UK where they posted the shadows of the two cops and it was like, think going into a rural area to have a picnic as you'll get away with it. We're going to look out of the shadows and find you.
No way. I swear to God. Yeah, it went viral. What? You're in the middle of no having a picnic. Go for it. Here's the thing, man. That's fucking China shit. Totally. That is like, fuck, man. Well, now there is another story Bill Gates apparently said, you know, trying to do a bunch of things, right? And now what they're doing is they're taking that quote and they're putting it next to pictures of them welding doors shut and barricading people in their house. And then hanging out with Epstein.
Oh, probably. That's the latest thing is I've been getting over these videos. People are sending me all these videos about Bill Gates and how he used to party with Epstein. You know what I'm like? But a lot of people did. Yeah, I wonder how many of them knew. Bill Gates apparently traveled with Epstein after Epstein had been convicted.
Oh man. Yeah, apparently like a couple years after you've been convicted, it wasn't like you didn't know about it. Right, right. Have you seen Bill Gates Instagram? No, all the comments just flooded with people saying like globalists and Illuminati kind of stuff. That's gonna get heard about that. It hurts a lot of pedophile stuff too, right? I don't know, I don't wanna, I know this is gonna be really touchy because you got a lot, large with really angry people. They're saying things like take your vaccines back. We don't want them. We won't wear the mark of the beast.
You know what man, he's talked about, you know what China did, they're giving you these codes on your phone. And if you leave the town, it becomes void. And so if you're in the city, then you can go to a building, they scan it to see if you're clear. And if you are, then you're able to come in. Yeah, fuck all that. Seriously. I think, man, the amount of people I've seen argue in favor of this executive, you know, these executive orders is pretty scary.
Yeah, I've been scared about that. We've been talking about that quite a bit lately where I'm saying you can't have massive overreaching government surveillance as a response to a disease. You can't because they're not going to shut it off once the disease has a vaccine. They're going to keep that stuff in place. And you are giving up a massive part of what it means to be an American. We'll take the free.
Take a look at the social media, what's going on with Twitter, Facebook. The CEO of YouTube, we'll start there, sat on CNN. Basically, anyone who says anything out of line with the World Health Organization is banable. It's against our community guidelines.
The World Health Organization has flip-flopped back and forth several times already. Well, they're clearly spouting out Chinese propaganda too, particularly in January when they were saying that according to China, there's no evidence that you can be transmitted from person to person. And did you know the AP reported at that time China knew and withheld the information for six days? So the day that the World Health Organization tweeted out, no evidence according to China of human-human transmission, we now know according to the AP that China did know and purposefully withheld it.
What you've got going on with China right now, I question whether or not we're getting close to an act of war, and I know that might be a little exaggerated, but they've got, you know, this is the story that was published in BuzzFeed News. Trolls working either for China or within China, trying to slow down the response in other regions like Spain, Italy, Taiwan. I think that the BuzzFeed was specifically about Taiwan, sewing disinformation to slow their response, things like that.
Well, I think China wants Taiwan. They don't like their rogue province as they consider it. Well, that's why they had instructed the World Health Organization to not even mention the name Taiwan. You saw that video? That video is crazy. Head of the World Health Organization is being interviewed, and in the interview, the woman asked him about Taiwan's response.
and he says, I think China's done a great job. And then- Well, at first he ignores us. And then he hangs up on her. Yeah, he hung up on her. Wow. But he did say China, and she said Taiwan and specific, and I think that's when he hung up on her. And then he came back and said, well, and she goes, well, let's get back to the question. Well, I think we've already covered it. China's done a great job. He's clearly avoiding. But why does he think he can do that? What does China have on them?
Money, is it fun? Is it just trying to funding them? I mean, you saw what happened with the NBA and, like, Blizzard. Yeah. People don't want to give up that cold, hard cash. They're making a bold bet. You know what I mean? Do you know what Thucydides trap is?
No. So this is, I was reading about this, the Atlantic wrote about this in 2015, are we headed for a war with China? And Thucydides Trap says that whenever a growing power seeks to upset the dominant power, it results in war. And out of 12 out of 16 times over the past 500 years, it has happened. So people have been predicting a US-China war for a really long time because of this historical precedent. It's not absolute, but it looks like
I'm not gonna probably come to a historical expert or anything like that, but it looks extremely probable to me. I thought a lot of people get mad at me saying that I was fear-mongering by bringing this up, but the US just sent two warships into the South China Sea, which China considers their own territory. When you look at what China's been doing in terms of misinformation, clearly lying about the numbers, I can't remember who did this. I think it may have been Germany removing China's numbers from the charts saying they're not real. So China's been misleading the rest of the world with holding information on how bad the infection is. They sent a strike group, an aircraft carrier,
through the South China Sea near Taiwan, putting Japan on alert. The US's aircraft carrier, Theodore Roosevelt, was disabled because of the coronavirus. They evacuate 80% of the personnel. The US doesn't what they call an elephant walk in Guam where they have all these bombers. Then the US pulls them out because apparently China's got some kind of weapon that can just blanket Guam and wipe out our forces. Next thing I know, we sent what kind of weapon do they have that can do that?
It's, I'm not entirely sure. I'm getting my information from just reading peripheral stories. I'm not a military guy, anything like that. But it really, so the US just sent two warships into the South China Sea. And I think they're doing this because
One of the things I read from a military website was that the strike force is testing U.S. resolve. The last time that China has done this, where they sent a strike force around Taiwan, actually tried to take it in some fashion, the U.S. sent a couple supercarriers and everything calmed down. Now our supercarriers in the region were disabled by COVID.
Well, didn't China, didn't they go into a group exercise with Iran after we killed that guy? Oh, I don't know. Yeah. There was a group exercise with China and Iran in the sea that they did something like some sort of show of unity right after Trump had that guy assassinated. Do you see what happened with those Iranian gunboats? They were swarming the U.S. naval vessels?
And then Trump ordered them, if they do it again, sink them, blow them up. Do you know that Venezuela tried commandeering a civilian yacht a couple weeks ago? What? Venezuela naval ship crashed into a German-owned private cruise liner.
They were trying to count as my understanding of the story because I know a lot of people are they're not going to want to pride that analysis. They were trying to steal it. So they claim. Yeah. So I think the official word from Venezuela was they thought this was a fake cruise ship with assassins from Maduro or something. So they ordered it to come into their waters because they weren't. Venezuela of Venezuelan naval ships started ramming it, sank itself.
Yeah, I heard about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so then sometime after Donald Trump deploys two US naval vessels to near Venezuelan waters, which he says are for drug related operations.
I'm not going to like, I know a lot of people are going to get heated saying, you know what you're talking about? Yeah. Yeah. All I know is that's what was reported. Who knows what that means or what it leads to. But needless to say, with it, you know, look, Russia is withholding wheat exports. Several European countries have closed their borders within the Schengen area. They're withholding their people are starting to hoard food. And we just had a full page ad in the New York Times Sunday edition, I think was from Tyson saying the food supply chain is breaking and we're getting ready for a major shortage of food.
Yeah, they had to kill two million chickens. Wow. Because they didn't have anybody to butcher them. Here's my concern. When you have these nation states shoring up their borders, even within the European Union, that was crazy to me when you see Germany and France and Austria closing their borders to each other, then you get these warships making these movements. You get people desperate for food. You see Venezuela ramming into a cruise ship.
I say this, it could be that we're hyper focused on it because we're bored. We don't only pay attention to this stuff. We normally pay attention to celebrity gossip and politics. Now that we're not doing anything, we're really focused on what's happening in international territory. Or perhaps it's that we're getting desperate and we're scared as the economy tanks.
Well, if it wasn't for mutually assured destruction, I would say, yeah, we're probably moving into a place of war. But when you have two nuclear superpowers, like China and the US, it's like, what, you know, what do they do? What are you going to do? You're going to, one guy got to launch a missile, the other guy's going to launch a missile. Like, what are they going to do? Are they going to go into a full scale war and wipe out everyone on the planet? Because that's what would happen. I think so. I do. The thing is, who would be more willing to wipe out a giant chunk of the population? Would it be China or would it be the United States?
I don't think it'd be the United States. I think it'd be China. And I think it really depends on how strained they are for resources and whether or not they're really going to lose. The difficult... Look, in China, when this broke out, we saw videos of them barricading people in their homes welding their doors shut. The doctor whistled blower. There's one story of Vice-Rana. A journalist was calling out all of these things. Disappears for a month. Comes back a month later, I'll happy you like. Government's great. We love them. Really?
Yeah. We know, we know what they do. We've seen, we've seen videos. Now this could be propaganda, you know, because I'm in America. So of course I'm getting this information. Maybe the US is trying to, you know, build this up. But I think you take a look at that kind of behavior, the willingness to do anything by any means necessary. And at what point do you get one person who's in charge saying, I will not be the captain of a ship that sinks.
You know, I look to, well, I don't want to get super political in American history, but I view it as you've got a leader of a country. And as people are looking at him, he says, this will be the year my country ceases to exist. F that presses the button.
I will not be the, you know, I will not be the person with it staying. It's hard to know though because it could be a leader saying I will not be the person who destroys the world. I would rather go down in history as the, you know, failure of my country. I, I think you back somebody into a corner and you get fight or flight. I don't trust Trump's, Trump's decision making in that regard either. Oh, I don't. You know, I just, I don't trust anybody's decision making, but anybody who won't admit
that he said one thing when we saw it, like this whole injecting disinfection, maybe cleaning. Oh, no. The fact that he said he was being sarcastic. That was so dumb. And if you're that same person, and then we want you to be in charge of this decision, whether or not we go to war. I mean, obviously you have to have the support of Congress. But you know this, the disinfectant story is one of the weirdest and most difficult things to actually grasp. I think you just got caught rambling.
That's it. You have an episode of South Park where Cartman pretends like he has Tourette's. No. So Cartman finds out that people with Tourette's just say all these things. So he's like, if I pretend to have this, I can say whatever I want. And then eventually he loses his filter and starts saying a bunch of ridiculous things. Like he starts admitting to touching his cousin or something, camp. And he's like, why am I saying this? Oh, no, I've lost my filter. Donald Trump, here's how I see it.
He heard something from these experts. He didn't understand it. He has no filter, and so he just asked this thing. Here's my challenge with it. Is there a such thing as a stupid question? Yes. There is. Can you eat glass? Right. That's a stupid question. Some performers eat glass? They don't really eat glass, do they? They chew up candy glass. Here's a struggle.
What is a disinfectant? How do you interpret what he said? And here's what Trump supporters immediately fired back with. There is H2O2 nebulization therapy, and they pulled up an article from, it was posted MSN.com April 10th. One of the treatments they're looking at for COVID is to take hydrogen peroxide through a nebulizer into your lungs. That's a disinfectant into your body for a cleaning.
I don't think Trump was going for that. I think the guy mentioned we have bleach and alcohol, and Trump was like, I wonder if you could possibly get in their body through an addiction. As a cleaning? Yeah, I mean, look, what's really interesting that came out of this was Twitter banned an account.
that is a publicly traded biotech account that has a legitimate therapy. When someone has been incubated, when they're on a respirator, they can send UV light through that tube and actually kill some of the bad bacteria in the lungs. Now, the video that shows how they do it, it shows like the tube and this animated thing which shows the lungs, they ban them. They ban a publicly traded biotech company
which is just, I don't know if they banned them because they think that in some way this supports what Trump was saying or if someone just pulled the trigger too quickly. I mean, who's doing this over here? I think you have a bunch of fucking kids that are making decisions, whether or not something gets banned or not. Something gets reported, like someone report, I'm just guessing. Someone reports and says, look, these fucking idiots are saying that Donald Trump's right, you can get light in there, ban it, ban the account.
We sat here with Jack, and I don't think we got a definitive answer necessarily. We got to thank you for your feedback. I think we got an answer in terms of what Jack wants, in terms of, I think Jack is a legitimately honest guy who is trying to manage things at scale, and I think that's almost impossible.
I don't see your numbers that are coming in, and he's trying to do Wild West Twitter now. This is his concept of having a Twitter that's just wide open. We could do anything. And then having a regular sort of moderated Twitter. There's a name I can say right now. A name? If I say a name right now. Candyman. This video will be pulled from YouTube. Did you know that? Really? I can say one guy's name. Alex Jones? No. Don't say it. If you know what it is, don't say it. What does it start with?
I don't think I should even do that. Really? I've had my video taken down, and I've been told to. Write it down. Here, write it down for me. You sure? Yeah, write it down. Just write it down. If you say this name, your video will be taken down. They've taken on C-Span. They've taken down Fox News. Really? Is that Hitler? No. I'm warning you not to say this name. The company's been unsuspended, if you will. Unsuspended. So yeah, so somebody probably fucked up. It was probably a kid.
That my handwriting is awful. That's okay. Do not say that name. I'm not kidding with you, man. Do not say that name. I don't even know who that is. I can describe to you. He's a CIA. He worked for the CIA, I guess. He is accused of being the whistleblower, the Ukraine whistleblower. Oh. And if you say his name, you will get taken down. Wow. That seems like news. How come news will get you taken down?
Yeah, makes you wonder, right? How come a biotech company with a legitimate product gets taken down? I guess it was restored. Yeah, I think that biotech company, somebody fucked up. I think you have too many. I think from what Adam Curry was explaining to me is that there's a bunch of kids that work for Twitter.
and they work for a lot of these other companies, and they're the ones responsible for whether or not something gets banned or something gets taken down. You know the Zuby story, the okay dude story, which is just bonkers. For people so this can be standalone. Zuby, who is a British guy, we've talked about this on the podcast where he's been a guest in the podcast, he's a rapper.
A very, very intelligent, interesting guy who doesn't even swear. He's very polite. He's a really nice guy. So he gets in some sort of an interaction with someone on Twitter, and this person says, I bet I sleep with more women than you. He says, OK, dude, that's it.
He got a new band. He got suspended for a long period of time, like weeks or whatever the fuck it is. I don't know how long you get suspended for something like that. But then he asked for it to be reviewed and they upheld it. They said, yes, you can't say, OK, dude. Now, I don't know if he was talking to a trans woman. He didn't either. Yeah, he didn't either. Yeah, I know. I don't know. Is that what it is? Is that what the case was? That's my understanding of the story.
Yeah, well, he didn't even know. Right. He just saw someone and said, OK, dude, you know what the problem is? This idea of approved truth, what YouTube calls authoritative sources. So I know I'm pretty hard on YouTube. But this doesn't involve Facebook as well. That name I sent you? Facebook will delete your post without notice if you type it. Wow. So here's what I did. I typed, I just, I said something like, I heard of a man from Dubuque, an orthodontist named,
who has five kids and he's in his mid-fifties. I did that because that in no way describes who that person is. Not only did Facebook delete it, they deleted it without telling me. It was just erased from the site gone. So it's some sort of filter that's in place? No, no, somebody manually did it. It was there for a while. And then somebody came in or somehow. So do you know what happened with CNN, Chris Cuomo getting COVID?
They faked that whole thing, right? What do you mean they faked it? So Chris Cuomo was spotted 30 minutes from his house on a property with a new construction being built. Yes. A steel frame. A guy on a bike saw him. Chris Cuomo, they got into it. Right. Chris Cuomo goes on his radio show and says, I don't want this jackass on a fat tire bike coming up to me. I should tell him what I want. The guy on the bike says he called the cops and said he threatened me.
So this basically confirms the encounter. Chris Cuomo then shot a segment for CNN of him emerging from his basement like this is what I've been dreaming of finally getting out of my basement seeing my kids. But he was witnessed seeing his kids somewhere else.
With his kids. Yeah, so you even had, you even had Ben Smith, the New York Times, call this out, saying, Ben Smith used to be the editor-in-chief of BuzzFeed News. Now he's a media columnist for New York Times, said, something the effect of, it's like shocking how CNN is alliding this whole controversy. They're, they're kind of like it didn't happen. Everybody knows Como faked it. Yeah. He wasn't on quarantine. He was out, presumably, he was, he was with two women and three kids.
So we can assume it was his wife and his kids, whatever. I bring that up because you've got a couple other moments, right? You've got Brian Stelter on his show saying that we got to channel the anger for the people.
Yeah, that he was saying that journalists need to do that. Yep, which is, which is, you know, I basically said, so you're admitting your rage bait. Yes, I saw you did that. And I was glad that you said that. Like finally they're admitting it. Right, right, right. I mean, look, it's no secret. I'm going to rag on the media. I worked for these companies and I've seen them slowly getting worse and worse with everything. I want to see Brian scream.
You want to see Brian's scream? Yeah, I think him enraged would be adorable. Oh, yeah. Like, I wonder how much anger he can muster. I can't. I can't. So here's a point I was getting to.
CNN's called an authoritative source. They're lying in our faces. I mean, you just said the Joe Biden thing. I don't know if you've talked about this yet, but if you go to Google Play and look up Larry King's show from 1993, you will see there. So actually I checked many of the different months. What people noticed was that one episode was missing August 11th, 1993, the episode where Joe Biden's accuser called in saying my daughter had a problem with a prominent senator.
No, it was Joe Biden's accuser's mom. The accuser's mom. What did I say? You said accuser. All right, yeah. The accuser's mom. Right. That episode's gone. Yes. So I went through Google Play, and there certainly were other episodes that were presumably missing, typically Mondays, where I would assume that Larry King had a day off or something.
The 11th was a Wednesday. Why was this missing? Why did CNN, why were they scooped on their own story? They had this evidence. Apparently, this was news. So when you look at what CNN has been doing, admitting that they're doing rage journalism, you get people like Jim Acosta. But isn't that what Brian said? What's Brian Seltzer? Isn't he just, that's his own opinion.
You know, I mean, it's not that they're admitting that they're doing rage journalism. It's he's saying that they should do that, right? Isn't that what it was? He said it on Twitter, right? Yeah, I think it was a quote from his show. Was it? I think it was reliable sources tweeting it out. Yeah. And, you know, look, I may be hyperbolic or whatever, because I got my opinions on CNN and all that. But take a look at someone like Jim Acosta.
He stands up. He argues with the president. That's not what journalists are supposed to do. You know, if you want to ask the president a question, he gives you an answer. If you have the opportunity for a follow up, you do. And then you write your story and you fact check him. You write your story and say, Donald Trump, here's what he told us. Here's the truth. That's what journalists used to do.
Now you've got this idea of channeling the rage for the people. What that means is it's something I've seen in activist circles, where I was explained to me that what people are looking for is someone to strike down a symbol of what they view as their enemy or the cause of their problems.
So the reasons why someone like Jim Acosta would do so well, he would get so many followers constantly doing this, it's not that he's asking any real questions or actually challenging the president, it's that the people who don't like Trump see him as striking a symbol down. It doesn't matter if he's telling you the truth or not.
Now you get performative journalism where Chris Cuomo pretends to come out of his basement where you get people standing up at the press conferences just arguing instead of actually asking questions. And then YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter say, this is the truth. We deem it so. YouTube now puts them, among other outlets, on the front page of the website, guaranteeing hundreds of millions of views.
Meanwhile, independent commentators like myself, we actually get hurt in the algorithm. If you go to my channel, they only show you Fox News. If you want to watch me, then you are guaranteed in the sidebar. The next video will be Fox News. They prop up all of these channels. David Pakman, for instance, you get MSNBC, Jimmy Doar, Fox News.
I don't understand why they're going to send Jimmy's, you know, lefty followers to Fox News, but they're doing seemingly everything their power to make sure individuals like myself and other commentators are struck down while channels like CNN, Fox and MSNBC are propped up, even though we know they put out fake news.
But isn't that because of the algorithm though, and do you think that algorithm is engineered in order to lean towards those mainstream sites? Absolutely, 100%. We can see when it happened. It was May of last year. I've looked at my analytics around the time these smear pieces came out, arguing that there was a rabbit hole, where if you watch one kind of contents, all you get. It's a very, very misleading way of framing what was really going on. And I'm surprised that YouTube just bent over for this.
You basically have YouTube's competition, these media outlets, using their media weight to hurt YouTube in ad sales. So YouTube says you got it, we'll give you front page access, we'll guarantee you, you know, people watch your content. Right, but they're doing that because that content's very popular and that generates ad revenue.
well i would i would i i would say no actually i would argue against that well okay but listen like talk across and for example what i know he's hugely popular absolute if you have a talk across and video is gonna generate millions of years absolutely so you know within their best interests i'm talking about alison camarotas is anybody really google searching you on youtube alison camarotas opinion on all day i don't think so
I don't know who that is. Right, exactly. And so you wouldn't be searching for it. Tucker, of course, we know. So you're saying it's the channel in general, not just someone who's popular, like Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson. They, as very famous personalities, very obviously do get, you know, more, get more naturally. Yeah. So people are searching for Tucker all day and night, Hannity and Rachel Maddow, things like that. Right.
But if you look at what YouTube has even said to CNN, they prop up authoritative sources. Yes. If you search for a news story, guess who you're gonna get? If you Google search, you know, Tara Reid, Joe Biden, you're gonna get CNN. Do you think that they're doing that, though, because they're trying to get rid of conspiracy theories? Yes. Yeah. That's a principle reason. Yeah. They're trying to get, like, I understand what they're saying in terms of
So like the CEO of YouTube, when she said that they're going to go with the World Health Organization, I don't think it's a good idea to go with the World Health Organization because it seems like it's a very corrupt organization. But I do understand this desire to go towards respected and established medical professionals. I agree. So if respected and established medical professionals have a protocol for dealing with coronavirus, we should listen to them.
Yeah, absolutely. And there's a lot of wacky fucks online that are trying to say that it's not a real virus and that it's 5G. And there's all that kind of stuff is dangerous. You know what they told me? Don't you think? Absolutely, absolutely. But they told me...
They published editorial guidelines. Very early on, I did a video about this January 23rd when they first started locking down. I did a segment talking about what was going on, and I actually didn't think it was a big deal. This was before anybody was really covering it. I mean, this is, you know, impeachment was happening. And YouTube fully monetized it. So I have a thing on YouTube called self-certification.
where when I upload a video, they ask me, does your video contain any of the following? My videos are always clean, family friendly, I don't swear, and I was approved, video monetized. A week later, they implemented a new change without telling anyone. Anyone talking about coronavirus was instantly demonetized, deranked, possibly had your videos, harder to find, things like that.
And it wasn't until about a couple weeks ago they overturned these d rankings on my channel. They told me before they published the guidelines, you cannot say these things. One of which was that it may have emerged from a bio lab.
Now we have on April, I think, I think it was the 16th, a former Clinton administration, NSC staffer, saying that Occam's razor suggests the most likely place that this came from was breaking out of a Wuhan biolab. There was a story by Brett Baer over at Fox News, where he said, according to sources, he has, who've overseen the documents,
They believe that China was trying to essentially prove their worth with American bio research, by racing to do this development, and there was a breach, and this resulted in the COVID outbreak. That's Fox News and CNN, CNN's run multiple segments saying this. When I talk about it, I get de-monetized, confirmed.
They say, you can't talk about this, Tim. CNN can. They're authoritative. You can't. Even if I use them as a source, even if I say, like, so what I try to do is, you know, weigh the sources. How good are they?
Bret Baer, that's a good source. I mean, Bret Baer is one of the last true news people. I'm not somebody who follows him too much, but he's a straight news guy. He put his name on this, and that says a lot to me. You don't got to like the guy, you don't got to like Fox News, but CNN also ran the story saying US intelligence now believes, or I'm sorry, they're investigating whether this claim has merit. We also had a story from The Washington Post that asked the same question. Even got a professor from Rutgers University to say it's very possible.
The story actually emerged because I think South China University in Beijing released a paper saying that somebody was doing experiments on bats with coronavirus, and one of the bats spilled blood on him and peed on him, and he had a self-quarantine for 14 days. Being that the Wuhan CDC is about 300 meters away from the food market, it seems like that was a likely scenario. They eventually retracted that paper. It's a fucking movie scene. Totally.
So look, it's not me saying it. I understand what you're saying. But I get knocked down for this. I understand. I understand. But I think in their defense, some of this has to be that they're managing at scale. I agree. Some of this has to be the fact
that millions of videos are uploaded every day, and they have to keep this disinformation from spreading out of control. When you have all these fucking nut jobs, they're saying, this is 5G, it's not even a virus, it's radiation sickness. Someone sent me, a guy that I really like, sent me this video of this doctor that seems like he's got schizophrenia or something. He's talking about, this is a plasma disease caused by radiation, and I'm like, oh fucking Christ, imagine. I've gotten so many people hitting me up.
Tim, you've got to talk about 5G. Oh, god damn it. Do you know how many people hit me up when 4G came out? Listen, 5G is a thing, right? It's a new bandwidth for cell phones. It's going to be really fast. It's going to be in your phone. So the question is like, OK, all this stuff's flying through the air. There's all these signals to the air. What effect do they have on the human body? That's a good question. That's a good question.
But to say that that's responsible for this coronavirus thing, it's fucking crazy. Totally. If you're saying they don't have any effect and here's why, I go, okay, this is why you don't need to be worried about UHF or whatever different waves that are flying around through the air, Wi-Fi, and people are worried about all that kind of shit. They're really concerned that this does have some sort of effect on human beings. They think that in fact, cell phone signals have an effect on bees.
And that was one of the primary theories about the drop in B populations. Yeah, colleagues collapse. Yeah, these cell phone signals are interfering with these B's ability to communicate. But to say that it's the fucking coronavirus, like Jesus Christ. And then someone had a meme, Lil Duvall had a meme that he put up on his Instagram and I retweeted it.
Five G's only in five countries, you fucks. This guy damn shit is spread across the whole world and you really think it's 5G. It's, they, I believe YouTube has to step in and they have to do something when shit like that is so egregious and so preposterous. So the question is, where do they draw that line? If it would be nice if they could watch all your videos and say, oh, well, Tim Poole is a really reasonable guy. They do.
Okay, but do they? Do they really? No, they do. Do they really? They literally do. They literally have a guy who's doing that. I do, yes. Who's 100% dedicated to watching everything you do. You put out a lot of fucking content. I do. How much content do you put out every day? So if you had a guess, we're at an average. Right now, as of the past few months, up to about three hours and 40 minutes per day. So you got a guy that's dedicated at YouTube. His job is, what do you do? I'm the Tim Poole guy. I just sort of... So first, probably not like that specific, but I do have a partner manager.
I do have every single video I put out on my main channel is reviewed, 100% of them. They just recently introduced my other two channels. So I have a total of three channels under my name where I put out around 10 to 12 separate videos per day for a total of about three hours and 40 minutes. They do. So if I upload a video
it gets reviewed through something. So I first self-certified, I say this video has no swearing, it has no, you know, extreme imagery or anything like that. If someone watches it and demonetizes it, I then contact Google and they reverse it for me. So I actually have someone who fixes this. If there's an issue. They watch it. They watch every episode. They do. They watch every episode. Every episode. That's bonkers. So you got a guy who, that's their job. I don't think, I don't think it's necessarily one person. It's a team of freaks. My understanding is it is California-based.
And so here's where I look. I think YouTube's a very, very awesome thing. I wouldn't have a show. I'd be working. I was working for a Disney company and I did not like it. And I was able to leave and start my own business and I'm rather successful with it. And it's because of YouTube and it's because they view me as trustworthy. I've known them for a long time. They've worked with me. It's not perfect.
The challenge is fundamental human rights and the collapse of the media industry. When we have news outlets that, so I'll give you an example. You posted this on Instagram that people were calls for poison and disinfected ingestion had gone up after Trump's comments, right? That's not true. It's fake news. I fell for it too. I tweeted it out. I tweeted the George Colin quote.
The one that's a think about how stupid the average person is and realize half of them are stupid than that. Sure enough, it turns out they faked the story. The real story is that since the start of the pandemic, people have been buying more cleaner than normal. So statistically with more people having cleaner, they're more likely now to accidentally ingest it. And since March, the calls have been going up. The New York Daily News, one of the main purveyors of the story, tacked on after Donald Trump's comments.
unrelated, unrelated, unrelated. So here's the problem. If the Daily News, if CNN, if Fox, if MSNBC, if these outlets are going to do these things in a desperate bid to stay alive as their methodology fails and YouTube is going to give them preferential access, which is what they've done.
than we're in serious trouble but they don't give the daily news preferential no no but like the channel that the main networks i don't think i don't think i don't think that i agree just right here's here's one that really gross me out was cnn i believe they tweeted one of the reports cnn tweeted that um... elan mosque has not supplied all the ventilators that he promised
And then Elon said, are you aware that Twitter has a search feature? And then he starts retweeting all of these different hospitals, showing the ventilators, people thanking him. It has a Tesla logo on it.
It was the hospitals that requested them specifically. They were specific parameters. So you know what CNN did? Argued semantics. The article that was written to prove they were right was that those aren't ventilators. Real ventilators are invasive ventilators that go in your body. And CPAP is a ventilator.
is a ventilator, as is a BIPAP, but they're called non-invasive or non-intrusive. That's such a fucking gross way to justify what you tweeted. And so, journalists are supposed to help you understand what's going on in the world, not confuse it for the goal of making money. Brad, that's what it is, right? It's about clickbait. Absolutely. You can clickbait that the smartest man in the world fucked up and didn't give the ventilators. You want to know what the scariest thing is?
CNN, any of these networks can make a fake story, get a million views, a day later apologize retract, and they keep all the money they made.
They don't got to give it back. So they're actively incentivized. I'm not saying they're sitting there, you know, trolling a mustache, being like, let's write a fake story. But they know that if they do, they get paid. And they say, so what? You know what? The fake news gets a million hits. The retraction gets 30K. We get paid for both. So this is an editorial review fail where editors are not reviewing these articles that are being written by journalists.
I think they're all swimming in a toilet circling, you know, down to the drain. Because what happens is somebody, so I saw a story written, I think it was an op-ed for the Washington Post or something, about Trump's alligator moat. That's fake news. That was never real. The alligator moat. Right, right. So the story from 2017 that Trump talked about putting alligators in a moat around the southern border or something was like, it's ridiculous.
But here's what happens. You write a fake story. They wrote that? Yeah, so that was his idea to do that. It's been a while. My understanding of the story was that a source familiar with Trump's thinking said that Trump had discussed an alligator moat. And I'm like, even if Trump did, isn't it obvious it was a joke? They run, they go nuts. How many fucking alligators would it take to guard the southern border? 2,000 miles or whatever.
But now we see this pop up again. And so I'll tell you what, man, the scariest thing is how these social networks.
remove, like we talked about this last year, they remove a certain point of view, like this biotech company, they default on what is authoritative and the authoritative falls in one direction almost every single time. Falls left. Right, yes. So, you know, I can't tell you how many stories I've gone through where it's like, you know that Peter Navarro story where Trump said to the journalist, you're a nasty, nasty reporter and everything, what you don't see was the full context.
where the guy kept goading Trump for like 10, 15 minutes and then finally Trump snaps at him. And they take that one sound bite and say, look at Trump just being a dick. It's like, well, yes, Trump's got no filter and he gets mad. But they cut out the entire exchange where this dude was poking and prodding and like really just insulting the guy. So this guy Peter Navarro, he's saying things like, why are you trying to give people hope? Don't you think that offering up false hope is wrong? And Trump's like, no, I don't think so, I think. This was in chloroquine. Yeah, yeah.
So you get a guy that keeps, you know, goading him and arguing with him. And that's what the point I was making earlier. It's these people for CNN and whatever network I've realized, hey, we're going to get ratings. Well, let me tell you this, first of all, that way of communicating is fucking terrible. It's second only to the terribleness that in those late night news shows where they have
three different people with three screens separated into three chunks, and this person on the right is arguing with this person on the left, and the moderator is trying to keep everybody in order, and everyone's talking over everybody, and everyone's looking for a sound bite, and everyone's looking to get their shots in before the buzzer, because there's a bell coming when the commercial runs. It is the dumbest way to really explore a complicated idea. And second, only to that,
is these fucking things where the president stands at the podium, and people yell things out. Someone called it the kung flu. Someone called it the kung flu. Do you do not denounce that? This racist word kung flu. And Trump said, who said it? Yeah. I don't know. I heard. I don't know. You know what I loved when one of the journalists asked Trump about the price of oil, he goes, where's it at? And the guy says, oh, I don't know. But I, no, no, no, no. Where's the price of oil? The reporter says, I don't know. Then why are you asking next question?
Yeah. Well... These people are... They don't know what they're... Look, I've sat in these rooms at press conferences. I have stood in front of public officials as they prepared an announcement, and I know exactly... I've talked to these producers. I've talked to the journalists. They're like, ask a question. What should I ask? Just ask anything. So they've... I've been thrown in front of people, like, ask them something. I'm like, what am I supposed to ask them? Ask them anything. Make something up.
Because they want you to get that screen time so they can say it's theirs. Well, it's also someone like Jim Acosta, for example. Don't you think there's an inclination when someone gets a certain amount of attention to lean towards that attention? Absolutely. This is your base now. These are the people that are supporting you. And you find it with online commentators and
where what's really weird is when like a person used to be left and then you see them getting a little bit of love from the right and they start kind of like entering over there and their comments and they get more and more attention and then they just jump ship. And the inverse. Like people who were leaning towards more right wing talking points got attacked for it and then immediately came out in support of certain politicians. Yes. Yeah.
Yes. You see, people leaning towards what gets them the most amount of love. Right. And for Jim Acosta, like it seems like he gets a lot of love for attacking this guy because he's talking for them, for the people at home. I wish I could ask the president, what the fuck are you doing? Get him, Jim. And this is the, it's, it's,
Man, it's scary when I go on Reddit, for instance. And they've basically purged 90% of any pro-Trump point of view. Really? It's gone, man. I pull up Reddit and what do I get? It's all lefty commentary. If you go to R slash politics, which has, I think, five to six million subs, they use left-wing activist websites as news sources. So it's not a place for real political discussion. It's a place to get your biases confirmed. The same is true for the Donald Trump subreddit, which has been basically purged.
You know, they used to have a real subreddit called the Donald. And they killed it. Yeah, they killed it. They killed it because they thought that it was filled with trolls, right? They killed it because they claimed the Trump supporters were threatening cops.
I'm not joking, that's the story. Doesn't that sound a little strange to you? That Trump supporters would be anti-cop to me. Does this make any sense? No, that doesn't make any sense that you would use that as an example for a necessary move to ban the entire subreddit. It seems like- Well, so it's not banned. What is it? It was quarantined. Quarantined. So you can no longer search for it. The only way to access it is to be subscribed and to like give your email.
They've since abandoned that and created a new website, the Donald.win. You go there, you're going to hear only good things about the president. And while there are certainly things you will just like any rational person would disagree with, I think a healthy discourse tries, you know, you want to see the counterpoints, you want to see the positive points, you want to better understand, you know, is there a real reason why Donald Trump did something or is he just an idiot?
And if you're only getting one side of it, your view of the world is just totally... Reddit used to be like the Wild West, right? It was pretty wild until 2016. It was very little moderating. Reddit is so incredibly easy to manipulate and control. Ridiculously easy. I remember, man, what year was maybe 2015, political operatives were seeking ways to prop up politicians manipulating Reddit's algorithms because users have direct control of it.
I just tell you, it's ridiculously easy to do, like insanely easy. They've since made it more difficult, but one person with 10 cell phones, and you could own the front page of Reddit very, very easily. Since then, we've seen accusations of, and I think it's fair to say, in my experience, I know that this tends to exist,
The sock puppetry, when someone runs multiple accounts, plenty of different people to create the perception of consensus. Yes. And that's what they do. That's really, really common. I know a guy who was a moderator at Reddit and told me this one account had nine different people or one person had nine different accounts. They were using to attack this guy.
The way it works for those that don't know is you upvote and downvote something. If it has more upvotes, it moves up. If it has more downvotes, it slowly disappears. If you create a bunch of different accounts using proxy servers or other IP manipulation, you can make sure your post is always in front.
Now was there a concern that the Donald's, that the Donald Reddit site was being manipulated, that someone, that they were basically just using it? Early on, yeah. Yeah. There was a, so the Donald post would frequently hit the front page of all. So if you go to Reddit and you want to see every subreddit, the Donald is always on top.
Because it was so active. It depends on who you ask, right? Or because people were manipulating it, one or the other. There's a good argument for both. I don't have the evidence to give you a definitive answer. I think it's fair to say that Trump supporters will smash the upvote button, make sure those posts always fly to the top because they're very enthusiastic. Very enthusiastic. It's also possible that somebody had a bot net that was, you know. I think you got two, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But one of the things that the Donald got in trouble for, I think, was they would do what's called a sticky post.
So that means if you went there, one post was always on top of their page, so the supporters knew to upvote it, guaranteeing it would get a lot of traction. But we actually saw this is the craziest thing, the CEO of Reddit, manipulated in the database, someone's comment.
who was a Trump supporter. It's actually, this is, like, could you imagine? The CEO did this. They edited it? He went into the database, the hard database for someone's comment and changed what they said. What? Yeah, and he apologized for it, saying, I got angry. Someone called him a pedo. So he was like, oh yeah, and he went in. Oh, that's right. I remember this. He actually edited the words to make that person look like a piece of shit. Like anti-Trump or something. Yes. So I'll tell you what, man,
Look, there's a lot of arguments you can make about policy and the right way to solve these problems. But I go on the front, I open Reddit and I'm browsing through it. And I see these comments from people that clearly do not understand what's going on with these protests, that people want the economy to reopen. And I try and talk to my friends about it. And it seems like they're trapped because I think, you know, it's like you were mentioning how people drift towards what gets them the most love.
But now it's not just famous people. It's not just people on social media. It's everybody who does that. And they don't want that world view broken. Well, they also don't want to lose the respect of their friends who are also subscribing to that same ideology.
Yeah, yeah, that's a big part of it man politics over here in California if you're if you're not left wing if you don't you know just Instantaneously when when there's an issue instantaneously side with the left you get chastised and you get called a racist or you could call the Nazi or you could call the
a Trump supporter or you can't even have a rational perspective on things. You can't say something like in hindsight it was a good idea that Donald Trump closed off travel from China because it was coming from there and a lot of people were calling him racist. It turned out to be a good move and then they've shut it down from a lot of different places as well. You can't say that.
So, yeah, right. So the first thing Trump does is the task force, two days later, the travel ban. Joe Biden says the last thing we need is Trump's xenophobia. Then on March, I think 12th Trump suspends travel from Europe. Joe Biden says a travel ban won't stop this. April 3rd, Biden says actually Trump was right about that. Now Joe Biden's launching ads saying Trump didn't go far enough. Now Nancy Pelosi is saying Trump should have banned Americans from coming back in.
Did you ever see that video where Nancy Pelosi is talking about telling people to go to Chinatown? Oh, yeah, of course. That video is fucking insane. And when they confront her on Fox News, I think it was Chris Wallace on Fox News was talking to her about it. She's saying, well, the record will show that I was saying don't be rude to Chinese people.
Now, you were down there encouraging it. Yes. And the record will show she's such an ineffective speaker. It's so bizarre that she got to a position of power, because she's so disingenuous and so fake in the way she communicates. Maybe she's just old. Maybe she was better before, I don't know. Maybe. That's the bottom question. Oh, man.
Yeah, the Biden question. That dude's not even, he's not even here anymore. It's so weird. It's so weird. They're pretending that it's okay, that this is going to be fine. But the way they're defending him over these allegations is this the creepiest thing I'm wearing the allegations entirely. You see, you see, you see, you listen, Milano, when she can't, what, what is this? Yeah, she said he deserves due process. But what about all the other times? What about all the other people? This is it. It's, it's, you know,
I can't predict what's going to happen. There's a lot of things that are changing right now that's going to affect whether or not Trump wins, the Republicans win or lose. But what about is this weird thing that he wants to do where he wants to insist on a woman of color as a vice presidential nominee, not Biden wants to?
I think he said, I'm not sure if he said woman of color. I think he said he's guaranteeing it's gonna be a woman and he's looking at a woman of color. I'm not entirely sure. To me, that's absurd. I mean, if you've got a good candidate, I don't care what they look like, what their skin color is, their race gender. I know a lot of people on the left view that is short-sighted.
because, and I think there's decent reasons to talk about how identity plays into how you view the world and the policies you wanna implement. I just think it's dangerous to create that kind of... Yeah, we're not talking about prom queen. We're talking about someone who actually has a real important job. You shouldn't pick them based on what part of the world their ancestors are from or what gender they are. That's ridiculous. I would actually say on a scale of one to 100, that's not near like the top 50.
But I think it is fair to say that there's a real reason why that would play a factor, play a role. You've got a lot of people who have never experienced certain things. And that includes the left. And one of the big problems they have in politics is what we see coming from the left is really based on urban living and from conservatives on more likely to be rural living.
So when you see people on the left argue for rent strikes and things like that, well, yeah, you're in cities where you're predominantly renters, so that's your big issue. It doesn't resonate the same with people who live in areas where they primarily own their homes. Or if you're talking about the Second Amendment, like obviously people in cities, they tend to be liberal, they want gun control, yeah, because you've got a very, very dense population, gun accidents probably are an issue, and you've got cops within a minute's notice, you live in a rural area, the cops are 40 minutes away, you need to protect yourself.
So this divide creates a difficulty in creating policy for the entirety of the country. It's a good point. I personally would never play someone's racial identity or gender in the top priorities. But I do think it is fair to point out that a black woman is going to understand things about life in the black community that a white man is not going to. That doesn't mean you give them a job because of it.
You can point out the perspectives will be different. I agree with both those things. Right. That's a good point too, in terms of the overall country is so enormous and it's so different and varied, like to find some common ground amongst everyone is so incredibly difficult. So it's a contest of who's got the bigger, bigger bucket, the bigger electoral bucket.
Yeah, that's a good way of putting it, too. Yeah. Yeah, it seems like, but either way, there's so many people that are just going to vote left to get Trump out of office. They don't care. You're going to elect a guy with dementia. You got to pull up this article. Stay alive, Joe Biden, by The Atlantic. No, I'm not kidding.
When did they put this in? Oh, man. It was a couple of weeks ago, maybe. It's called Stay Alive Joe Biden. And then she said something like, all we need is your corporeal form. And it's amazing. No, you're going to love it. It's not only arguing that we just need Joe Biden's body, but it actually kind of argues he's a bad candidate. And it's like, it doesn't matter, though. It doesn't because we just don't like Trump. Well, they're right about that. He's a bad candidate.
Biden? Yeah. They could have done so much better with the Buttigieg, with Klobuchar, with, they're terrified of Bernie Sanders and Andrew Yang, I think probably freaks him out a little bit too. I was, I'm a big fan of Tulsi and followed by Yang. And a lot of people didn't like that because, you know, I rag on Democrats all the time.
It's like more, I'll fully admit it. You can criticize me all day and night. I very much see Pelosi and Schiff, Nadler, and the problems we have with them. And I'm not a fan of their policies. I think that they do nothing. But within that, I saw Andrew Yang and his website, the list of things he's gone through for what he's thought about was insane. I mean, the dude had a policy for everything.
Well, he's a brilliant guy. Absolutely. And he's also not a politician. So his approach is going to be from a guy who's an entrepreneur. Right. A guy who looks at it in terms of problems to fix. You can argue that there's a similar thing there with Trump being a businessman. But Yang's list, he's a comprehensive list of policy positions. To me, I was like, I like it, I do. He's not that guy. This thing about Trump is a giant personality. Right. Whereas Yang is a really reasonable person.
Yeah. For me, Tulsi's anti-war stance was paramount. I think the US has wasted too much money. We've got people arguing for fix the pipes in Flint, and I'm like, right on, let's stop building weapons and doing deployments and trying to control these foreign countries and start working with America. And I think that there's a reason why a lot of moderates and conservatives like Tulsi, and it's that it's kind of America first, right? Why are we applying so much of our resources and time and energy to these foreign countries? We shouldn't be doing that.
But also she's earned that perspective with two tours of duty overseas. She served in the armed forces. She's been a congresswoman for six years. She understands a lot about how this works.
I disagree with her on some of her domestic policy issues, nuclear energy. What is her stance on nuclear energy? She opposes it. Well, I don't want to speak for her because I'm trying to be very careful, but negative view on nuclear energy. Nuclear energy is different than Three Mile Island or Fukushima. We need to understand that
when you're looking at some of these issues that they have with Fukushima in particular, which is a kind of an antiquated system that they had set up that they can't really shut off, which I had a whole bit about how crazy that is. When you're talking about the nuclear power that they could implement today, it would be a very different system. That would be fairly clean. Extremely high return on energy investment and zero emissions. But there's a fear because of the past.
Just put it somewhere that sucks. Just put it somewhere that sucks, put a big one. Someone that sucks and juice up the whole country with it. You know, when it came to Yang, I felt like here we had a guy who, I'm not a big fan of UBI. It's a weird one, right? I think the way he put it spoke more to me than the way anyone else ever framed it. And I actually felt like he shouldn't have called it universal basic income. Well, didn't he call it the freedom dividend? Right. But it became UBI to so many people. That's how they went with it. Yeah.
When you see Amazon Google and these big companies becoming just insane behemoths that can't be broken up, they just absorb and absorb and absorb. Then there's an argument for some kind of dividend to the American people for potentially what they do outside of the United States.
very complicated economics. I guess I'm not smart enough to pretend like I know anything about. But you look at, he brought the example of Alaska. They have the oil drilling. The people who live in Alaska get a portion of that revenue in those profits. That makes sense. UBI, the way it's framed in general, makes very little sense. And eventually, I think we're actually seeing now with the government stimulus
One of the biggest pitfalls to it. Here, there was a story. They ran an NBC woman. Her employees were in revolt because she acquired a loan from the Paycheck Protection Program that ensured their jobs, meaning they would receive less money because under the CARES Act, they would have received a bonus of $600 per week on top of the salary they'd normally get.
they actually preferred to have lost their jobs. So you have people who are complaining that they're keeping their jobs now. That's one instance though. There's a couple stories like that. But the challenge with just giving people cash is the assumption that the cash has inherent value when the value of it is based upon what you can get for it. So one of the lessons I think we learned now with the economy being shut down is
Doctors and nurses got to work. We need them on the front line. They're also getting paid. What do they use that money for? Pay their rent, buy food, things like that. We're facing food shortages. If you can't buy anything with the money, what's the point to taking the money? If you were given the choice, you're going to work. You're going to go work your job at a grocery store. You're an essential worker. We're going to pay you $400. Your buddy?
Who is it? Let me stop you right there. Because the universal basic income was not designed to deal with the pandemic. It was designed to deal with automation, which would have not stopped the supply chain, which would have not stopped, which wouldn't have created food shortages. This is a sort of a unique situation. So you're comparing apples to oranges. You're applying universal basic income to our current situation, which has nothing to do with the reason why he wanted to implement it in the first place. He's worried that automation is going to take away jobs. He's right. It will. It probably will. Not consider this problem though. There will always be some kind of essential work, right?
Yes. What do you tell the essential worker when other people are getting money and don't work that you have no choice because you're essential, even in an automation system. So let's say every job but... Hold on a second. They're only getting a small amount of money to stay alive. You would rather have a good job where you're getting paid well and have benefits and all that other stuff. I think that's an assumption. I see it is an assumption, but the problem is too, basic income, the real problem is it's a psychology issue.
The real problem is the way human beings work. We need incentives. People don't just want to survive and get a little check from the government. People will be despondent. You don't want to create any United States of welfare, like an all-encompassing thing where some
Programs that are in place that automate all of the goods and services They take some of that money and give it back to the people because no one can work like that's a just that's a depressing dystopian future I mean, that's a terrible place to live you ever watch battle circle actica. Yes loved it. You ever see snow piercer?
Was that the, you talk about the new Battlestar Galactica or the old one? Yeah, the new one. What was Snowpiercer? Which one was that? That's where Chris Evans is on a train that travels around the world because the world is frozen and only that train has like, it's kind of a weird premise, but there's just an episode of Battlestar. No, no, no, no, no, it's a movie.
I'll just bring up two different bits of fiction to, you know, make a point. Oh, yeah, it's a futuristic movie. It's real weird. Who else is in it? Chris Evans is Captain America, isn't it? Yeah, I think I did see that. It's real weird. Yeah, it's kind of cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's kind of weird. So they take kids from the back, from the poor cart, and have them work internally in the engine because they have to move things around because parts are missing.
If they don't, everyone all human life dies. So they literally go in the back and they take children away from their families who scream and reject this. In Battlestar, they had children who were also taken for a similar reason to work. You had people who had no choice but to work on the fuel processing ship. Otherwise, all of many we wiped out.
I've often thought about, I'm a huge fan of Star Trek the next generation, how do we get to a post-capitalism world where we still have incentives but we're post-scarcity? The problem is, as we're in transition, there will be jobs that are essential, which means one of the glimpses we get, I understand the pandemic is different, but we still see a glimpse of people who have to work low-skill, boring, tedious jobs like at a grocery store.
while other people who have higher skill jobs are getting their needs met by the government, at least in terms of the cash. So we're here telling these people- You're talking about right now? Right, right. So again, I understand it's a pandemic. It's very specific. But we're getting a glimpse of what happens when some people are told, your job is not essential. So we're going to guarantee your food and resources for the time being.
You're barely doing that though. For sure. This is effective. I'm just saying that as we move towards automation, there will still be jobs that are essential. What do we do? How do we incentivize and compensate and make that worth the people who have no choice but to keep working while the rest of us don't?
I don't know if it's a keep working while the rest of us don't issue. I think it's a problem of jobs being phased out. I think the real problem is automation is going to phase out jobs. It's not going to be about what's essential and what's not essential. I think you're sort of applying pandemic vernacular to it. Well, let's remove the pandemic from it. And let's say, you know, right now, one of the things I looked at, we talked about this a little bit before, I met a homeless guy in Chicago and he worked at a job that became obsolete. I'll sit back and build it.
I asked the homeless guy how he became homeless when I was like 19. And he told me that he had a job. He worked there for 20, 30 years. As he got older, his family moved away, lost contact. These are different times. Some of the friends and family had died. When his company became obsolete, technology didn't matter anymore. He was cast out. He had nowhere to work anymore, and his expertise was very specific. So he got a severance package. That ran out. He got unemployment. That ran out. He got kicked out. Now he's homeless.
I look at that and I say, how do we make sure that doesn't happen? This guy should not be punished simply because times have changed. But if you scale that up and say it keeps happening in every different sector, eventually you'll end up with 90% of the population saying, my needs will be taken care of and 10% saying, I still have to work. Whatever the industry may be, that's a transitional period. It's going to be very difficult. We automate most jobs, except for some, some people will still have to work.
Does anybody really think you're going to automate most jobs, though? I mean, there's so many jobs that can't be automated. I don't think that's going to be the... I mean, you're talking about some weird sort of futuristic version. I don't think that's what we need to be concerned with.
I think the idea of universal basic income is wonderful. The idea that your needs are taken care of in terms of food and housing and then everything else you got to do on your own. If we're looking at when we look at struggle, right, we look at struggle across the board, can't feed yourself, can't put a roof over your head, can't, would have
This was what was attractive, but universal basic income to me. What if we all agreed that some semblance of dignity is a part of being an American and then we will provide you with food, we will provide you with housing, everything else you have to fucking earn. And that's interesting. I like that. I like it. But I don't know.
People don't work well when they don't have to. Exactly. When people don't have an incentive, and the competition is important. And when you look at people that are anti-capitalist, and they're really into socialism, one of the things you find is a lot of rich kids.
It's weird, right? It's fucking real weird. It's because they don't understand real struggle because they've grown up without it and they have these ideals like they feel guilty because they've grown up without struggle and they want to help the world and they think capitalism is evil and I never saw my dad. So we need to get all these rich people and they need to give that money to all these poor people and we need to balance out income. You know what else they notice? The people around them are all white.
People that are into socialism? The people that are into socialism tend to be upper-class, upper-middle-class white. Obviously we're generalizing in a big way here, a lot of them. There's some studies, some research that came out that finds the overwhelming majority of the socialists in the United States. They came from upper-middle-class to upper-class families that tended to be white. Those are the ones that focus so hard on these social justice warrior issues.
You take a person who's been surrounded by rich white people. It probably got a reason to not like them. But then they assume all white people are the same. And you end up seeing this racialization of politics. Also, they find themselves in a position of affluence that they didn't earn. They want to burn it all to the ground.
And they assume, I think there's some truth in that. There's people who have money they didn't earn, and there are leeches on the system. They make money from money. They've never done anything in their lives. Sure. They're arrogant. Sure. There's a lot of people like that. Right. But when you take that generalization and apply it to anyone who has money or everyone, and you take it to a dark place. Exactly. When I first started,
you know, entering the public space in terms of news and politics as I occupy Wall Street. And before I had any notoriety, I was being.
Harold did. They called me a good example of what's wrong with the system. Here's Tim Poole, a high school dropout, mixed race guy, and here he is just sleeping in a dirt park using his phone to tell the real stories of the world. After I got featured in Time Magazine, what did they say? Tim Poole is white, and he was born with a silver spoon, which is not true. It's absolutely not true. But the socialist types, the activists couldn't accept that I had, you know, jumped the class system, I guess. Their view of the world is rigid, that the rich people keep the poor down, there's no chance for upward mobility, and that's not the case.
You absolutely can become successful from humble means. One of my favorite AOC quotes was her talking about. It's literally impossible to pull yourself out by your bootstraps when she used to be a waitress. I know. Now she's a congresswoman. It's not impossible, but it's not even. That's what we need to address. It's not even. The reality is, some people have a far easier path, and some people have a far more difficult path.
It's just, this is just, but you have to deal with the hand you're given. If life is a game, and while I'm not saying it's a game, it is life, but it's similar to a game in that you're dealt a set of cards. You're dealt a set of circumstances. And yes, some people just get four aces from birth. Your dad's a multi-billionaire and your whole family's always been rich and you never have to worry about a goddamn thing for the rest of your life. Well, guess what? Those people turn out to be fucking miserable and crazy.
There's some benefit in being born with a shitty hand of cards. Absolutely. There really is a motivational benefit for sure. Gumption. Yes. There's a TED talk. There's one trait, one personality trait that guarantees success. Of all, it's not intelligence. It's not class, not race, not gender. Unities. Perseverance.
That's it. I just believe that. There's a TED Talk on it. It's interesting. And it's true. Now, I think there's always going to be certain limits based on your ability. Like, I'm never going to play in the NBA. It's all enough. Nowhere near as fast or can jump high enough. Actually, that's not true. I can jump pretty ice skateboard. But you take people.
who don't have top tier intelligence, not the strongest, but if they work hard enough, they can find their apex. They can find that point where they are successful and they can make it. It's not true for everybody. Some people are below that threshold. No matter how hard they try, they're going to need help.
Well, I think that the problem is with any sort of generalization. Perseverance is the most important thing. Yes, sure. But you also have to be intelligent. You can't be doing the same thing over and over again. No, I'm not going to quit. No, you have to be able to figure out what you're doing wrong as well as have perseverance. Perseverance is a necessary part of the equation, but there's many pieces to that equation. But define success in that regard, right? If success is... Well, it depends on the field that you're choosing. Right.
If you're not smart enough to be an astrophysicist, you shouldn't be an astrophysicist. If you're not tall enough to play in the NBA, you probably can't play in the NBA. That's not necessarily true, though. Muggsy Bowes, that dude was amazing. He was amazing, yeah. He was 5'7". Was he? Yeah. He was 6'8", don't? He was amazing. Was he 5'5? 5'3", by the way. What the fuck is 3? Oh, but web, that's right. Wow, even shorter than I thought. Yeah. Yeah, you can do it. Yeah. That's amazing. It's very rare. Right. We talk about two guys, right? Two guys are exactly like that. Exactly. Yeah. I think...
The average person has the potential and the capabilities of being successful, wealthy, if they want famous. I think one of the challenges we have in our culture is how we're raising kids and what the values we're giving them. Well, it's also what are you trying to do? There's a bunch of different things that you just don't have. Some people can't sing. They don't have any fucking talent. They just don't have it. Their voice sounds like shit.
But guess who else's voice sounded like shit? Bob Dylan. Terrible voice. Yeah. How does it feel? Come on, man. People love it because there's like authenticity and passion and there's something to it. Right. But he found out a way to make it work. He wouldn't win American Idol. Fuck. No. Imagine him as one of the greatest musicians I've ever lived. Yeah. Imagine him going like someone saying, what do you want to do, man? I want to be a singer songwriter. OK. Just without any music or any interest. Sing me a song.
Probably, well, there are a lot of people, especially in the internet day and age, that you would not expect to have made it. Who made it? Yes. Well, there's a lot. And then there's rules today that I don't think really hold true. People say, oh, you have to be good looking, you have to be thin. Well, Adele's not thin. She is thin now. People are mad at her for being thin.
But she just was talented. She said a powerful voice or that woman Susan. What was her name that was on? America's got talent. I don't know. No, but it wasn't America's got talent an X Factor X Factor right right isn't boil that looking fucking wizard over here Susan Boyle She looked like someone's Grammy right and but she belted out this song that made Simon Cowell almost cry Wow because she's just fucking talented. Just really good you you
You can find a thing, but if you're Susan Boyle and you want to be a comedian, maybe her jokes are fucking terrible. Maybe she would show up at open mic night at Sunday night at the Comedy Store over and over again and keep bombing, and then she never would have made it. Yeah, I can't learn. Some people just did. I think if you can learn, if you can, one of the problems those people refuse to accept when they're wrong, they be self-critical. Yeah, they're not
They don't have an analytical perspective in terms of their own issues. They can't analyze themselves and see the flaws and be objective and introspective. Some people just don't have that because they've been protecting themselves. They have these sort of personality traits that protect themselves from self-deprecation, from understanding where they're flawed. When I was a teenager, I remember reading that Michael Jordan would watch tapes of himself playing to figure out what he did wrong. I don't know if that's true, but to me, that was like,
If you want to be the best, like him, you need to actively look for what you're screwing up and call out immediately. Well, that's imperative for sparring. When you're sparring, we used to film a lot of, back when I was competing, we'd film sparring sessions and fights, particular fights.
sparring sessions, it was critical because you could see how you were telegraphing something and then you got countered, you could see how, and sometimes you don't think you're doing it, but then you realize like, oh my God, I'm dropping my hand every time I do this and then you get caught. Crazy. Yeah, that's with everything though. It's like poker. Yeah.
Yeah, giving your towels away. And it's not. But I think most things you'd be better off seeing, like with comedy, it's massive, it's gigantic. You know, visually see yourself is like primary. That's number one. A little bit, a little bit less good is listening to yourself.
And at a certain point in time in your career, you can get away with just listening in terms of like, but there's a big difference between people who monitor their stuff and go over it and analyze it versus people don't. And it's just, it's, it's accelerated learning. It's like taking advantage of all the tools that you're given. And you can apply that
to anything that you're trying to do good in life. If you have the time and the energy, like if you're doing a job and during this job, you know, you just show up at work and you try to do your best, then you go home and you fuck off and you do your stuff. You'll get better at whatever you do. Exactly. But if you go and do your job and then afterwards analyze what you did, pay attention to it, write things down, make a diary perhaps or review your work and really, you'll get better faster.
It's a matter of how much time, as long as you don't burn out. I don't take days off. Ever. That's weird. I took a day off yesterday. Had some bad sushi. Here's a lesson, everybody.
If I don't want to be mean to the sushi people, they're really nice to me. But maybe lay off sushi if they've been close for a month because of pandemic. Well, you're driving from the other side of the country. Text me. I'll tell you the places. I go to four places out here for sushi. And everywhere else, I'm like, ooh, I don't know.
Well, so here's what I wanted to say, right? I don't take a day off, and a lot of people say I'm crazy, and I've actually, my Monday through Friday is now double shifts every day, then Saturday and Sunday are single shifts in terms of production. So I do Monday through Friday, three hours and 40 minutes about Saturday and Sunday is about an hour and 40 minutes. And what would I do if I wasn't working? I'd be playing video games. But listen to the numbers you just said.
Yeah, three hours and 40, Monday through Friday. Yeah. And then an hour and a half per weekend day. Yeah. That's still not a full day's work. And still not a full week's work to the average person. An hour and a half of recording is like 10 hours of research.
Oh, okay. So you're working more than that. So it's like eight hours, so I'm doing constant research in between fact checking. And then I record, like once I get everything in line and I think I'm confident on what I have, and of course I'm fine, I'm not perfect. Then I record for about 20 minutes, then I get back to researching, reading, and I, you know, so it's- When you have another benefit though, you work for yourself. Absolutely. You don't have some dick head over your shoulder telling you what to do. I chose this though, right? So there's a couple of things.
When you brought up, you get good at whatever you do. I tell my friends, every second you spend doing something as an investment into being better at that. So if you want to come home from work and play video games all day, you'll be really good at video games, man. Maybe you start a stream, a Twitch channel. Maybe you can make some money being a good personality, but you got to earn it. Or maybe there's something you want to do that instead of playing video games, you do that instead.
For me, when I'm not working, I'm just sitting around like, why am I not working? What am I doing? I ended up taking yesterday off. I didn't work today because we're doing the show. And so I'm sitting around watching TV shows like this is awful. I can't stand it. I gotta read the news, man. I gotta be into it. Well, you're driven.
Yeah, but also you're enjoying it. That's the difference between someone who's working in a fucking coal mine or someone who's working in a field all day picking strawberries. Yeah, but I hate the job. I hear you, but you know how many people have hit me up? You probably get something similar like, how do I do what you do? When I was working for Vice and I was traveling around the world, 10, 20 emails every week from young people saying, I really want to do what you do. And you know what they would say to me when I would tell them how to do it? They would say, I will never do that.
I would tell them, here's what you do. Do you have any money saved up? No? Okay. Where do you work? You don't work. Get a job, Starbucks, McDonald's, whatever you can get. Maybe you can do better than that. Save your money. Once you've saved enough, find a store you want, fly there, cover it. You know what they would say? No.
There's one person who said to me, I want to travel around the world and do what you do. How do I do it? I say, do you have money saved up? Yes, excellent. There's a story right now going on in Turkey, all right? You got to be secure, you got to be safe, but Istanbul is fairly okay. Fly there right now, film it, and I'll see if I can make any connections on what you find. They said, well, the money I saved is for my apartment in Brooklyn.
And I'm like, right, what's more important to you having your nice Williamsburg apartment or being a journalist traveling around the world? Well, I like my apartment. I'm like, OK, listen, when I worked for Vice, I was sleeping on a couch.
Every time they paid me, I put in the bank I didn't touch it. I got a job working for a Disney and ABC News joint venture company after that. They paid me a bunch of money. I put 70% in the bank I didn't touch it. When I left, I went to a bunch of these New York digital companies. I'll spare them their names for any embarrassment, many of them who have become rather worthless. This'll exist, and they're big. And I decided after seeing what they had to offer, the bias, the deception, the clickbait-driven nature of it, I'm gonna do myself.
And because I saved my money every step of the way, I was able to do so. So then I had an apartment. Then I could pay for my plane ticket, you know, to Sweden, to France, to Germany, to do these stories and started building up a base. Within about seven or eight months, I had gone from red to black. So now all of a sudden, I was no longer losing money. I was making money.
And I'm like, there it is. Couple of years on, ridiculously successful. For myself, I guess, it's relative, but I've got several employees launching new companies. Well, one of the companies shattered a fundraising record of a million bucks in a single day. So that's, look, the path for me isn't the path for everybody, but sacrifice, you know. Well, you're basically saying exactly what they're saying in the TED Talk, perseverance.
And you embrace the grind. But it's also what do you really prioritize? Yeah. For me? What are you trying to do? I don't care about having an apartment. I want to see what was going on in the ground in Istanbul. So you know what? It's also like who is the type of person that would chase down the stories?
The type of person that's really going to chase down the stories is a person that's driven to chase down stories. What you're getting is questions from idiots. You're getting questions from people that are like, how do I do it? And then when you offer the answer, I'm not going to do that. But those are the people that are never going to make it. There's a conversation I had with Ari Shafir where he and Robert Kelly, apparently they thought about sponsoring a comic who's up and coming.
taking care of their financial needs and you know for like a year and a lot trying to see how far they could get in their career if they didn't have to deal with money and I said that's the problem is the type of person who's going to make it is going to make it not just in spite of the fact that they don't have any money but because of the fact they don't have any money those day jobs those sucky jobs that you need to have when you're struggling those
They fucking motivate you. They're important. If somebody just comes along and gives you all the money you need for food, you're going to have acid and some hungry guy on the other side of town is going to take all the gigs that you would get. They're going to write better jokes. They're going to be more motivated to go to open mics. They're going to pound the pavement harder. Well, I've got a story for you. I'll try and get the details right to my buddy's company, so forgive me if I'm getting the details wrong, but he had a social media management company.
He started it himself. He knew everything about social media, Instagram, and all that. And he started building up a client base where I'm going to run your social media for you. Worked like a charm. Started making ton of money, getting new contracts. These companies didn't know what they were doing. He got to a point where I had to hire people. He ended up hiring a couple of college grads. And he put up the ad saying, you know, college degree required. They couldn't figure anything out. They kept calling them, having problems, couldn't manage anything. So he fires them. Rehires again, more college grads. Same problem.
eventually has to fire them. Then he hires because he's running out of money. He hires to high school, I think they were high school dropouts. And he was like, they wanted substantially less money. And at this point, I just couldn't find good people. They worked swimmingly. It was amazing. No phone calls, no problems. These were people who had worked hard, saved up money in their small, bumpkin hometown, moved to Los Angeles to make it big. They knew what they wanted. They knew what they had to do. And they said, I will find a way to do it.
He said the other people are hiring were just like drones. They just wanted a job. They didn't know where care what they were doing. They didn't bother, so they didn't want to learn. But these people who were driven viewed this as just another problem to be solved on my path to success.
Yeah, that's the mindset, and that's the difference. The mindset of success is the mindset of, I will figure it out. So I think the problem is how we're raising people in this country. We're raising them to, in certain areas, to expect things to be given to you. You get a participation trophy no matter what you do. You congratulations. Well, this is the problem with socialism, and this is the problem with universal basic income, what we're talking about.
Yeah. Expecting something from the government, particularly without any financial feasibility. There's no real logic to where that money comes from. Show me your work. What the money is. What is money? So one of the arguments I keep seeing from a lot of people who have more, I don't even want to call them socialists. I think they're just regular urban dwelling liberal left type people.
There's one viral post on Reddit that said, you've got these conservatives or you've got these people out protesting so they can enrich their landlords and these billionaires when they should be demanding that rent be waived, that mortgages, you know, in evictions be canceled, and that the government take care of their needs and provide them with stimulus or something like that.
And I look at that like, you're very clearly living in a city, but what they don't understand is they say things like, you know, landlord is in a job. Like, I'll argue that there's a lot of very successful landlords who make a ton of money and do very little, but... That's a fucking job. Right. That's so stupid to say it's not a job. It's not just that. The money you pay in rent can't just be wiped out because there's groundskeepers, there's maintenance, there's administrative assistance, there's taxes that be filed. Rent doesn't just go into their pocket so they can buy a boat.
But they view it this way, and they think that money is what you want. When they say these people who want the government to be reopened are simply trying to enrich the wealthy. It's like, I think maybe they make things, and they want to keep making things. They want their economy, not the government. The economy, yeah, sorry. I keep mixing that up.
But there are a lot of people that don't seem to understand. I think it's because when you live in a city, everything's already there for you. When I lived in New York, the Williamsburg Bridge, boom, there it is. I didn't see it built. I didn't pay a dime for it, and I can just use it. I can cross over. It's just there.
And you never had to fight for it, so you just say, why can't I just have it? You walk in any store and there's food. Hey, there's food. Easy. What they don't see is the supply chain, where the food is made, the work that goes into it. So they assume that money guarantees access to it, which it doesn't. If the economy is shut down, the money can't buy you things. The value of that money starts going down. If the farms can't sell any of this to anybody and start dumping, and I think it's called the following fields, no longer farming,
then there's nothing to buy. So if products aren't being made and services aren't being rendered because the economy is closed, what is your money going to get you? At a certain point when the economy is shut down for too long and we're seeing all of these businesses close, family businesses, I heard a story, terrible tragedy, somebody killed themselves because their family business of seven years was shut down. That product is gone. So eventually there's no food to buy. And only then will people realize that the government stimulus money has no inherent value. It's the work we do for each other.
That's the argument being left out when you get a biased view on social media or when these people don't quite understand. That's the problem. There's a lot of noise. People that don't quite understand. People that aren't a part of the supply chain that really don't know what it's like to... The people that raise food, they're freaking out right now. The people that raise cattle and the people that grow food and the fact that they have to deal with being shut down
and trying to figure out how to restart things. And when is it going to be okay to restart things? And what if it happens again? If there's another flare-up? Two months from now. I mean, they're hurting right now, and they might take years to recover from these past couple months. Well, there was, I think, some health official in California saying they might not be able to fully reopen until there's a vaccine, which could take 18 months.
fully reopen what? Like to go back to normal, right? So I think there was an MIT technology review article talking about how we may have to do intermittent lockdowns, you know, like two months lockdown, one month off. Jesus Christ. Until the vaccine is available.
Then another study came out saying something similar. What about herd immunity? I mean, Sweden, they think they're on target for the end of May to herd immunity, which is like 60% I think. The information keeps changing. We're learning more, so maybe these statements are, at this point, I don't know, obsolete. Yeah, Sweden's a weird place, too, because it consists mostly of little villages.
Like sweet. Yeah. I mean, they have big cities. Well, you have Stockholm, but primarily the population is sort of, uh, it's, it's separated by these smaller towns. It's not, you're right over there. I just, you had already been tested for the COVID. Are you really worried about you right now? People are weird about coughs now. Totally. Oh, I inhaled water. Yeah. Coughs are nerve wracking for folks. Oh, that's brutal.
Right? Yeah, you gave me the spot of water and I hailed it. All right. I think you just messed me up. Are you okay? Yeah, I think so. You don't? Yeah. Relax. Calm down. Just breathe. Whisper, calm down. No, it's okay. I got to... Joe gave me the test. No, no COVID-19. Yeah, your voice sounds terrible. Right now. I just inhaled water. How did you inhale it? I don't know. I was trying to drink it and I inhaled it. That happens. Now I sound weird, right? Yeah, you sound like a different person.
Did the Illuminati think you were just replacing you with somebody else? Yeah, you're too controversial. Well, that shit you were saying is too rotten when people up. All right, I think I'm better. I won't, I won't inhale the water. I thought so. It feels weird. Um, Kyle Kolinsky. Something today. I wanted you to see Jamie. It's, uh, some thing. There's some shit going down with UFO sightings. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've been before. Yeah, but they were new. Yeah, I'll send it. I'll send it to you. I've been following this stuff.
Yeah, it's um, hold on a second, Jamie.
All right, I just texted it to you. Pentagon officially releases UFO. This is the tweet. It says, new Pentagon formally released three mysterious UFO videos captured by Navy pilots. The already leaked video showed what DoD insists on calling unidentified aerial phenomenon, moving at incredible speeds and performing near impossible maneuvers. This isn't a weird subject because
It's one of those subjects where people automatically dismiss it because it's been so, it's been so touted by kooks. There's so many wacky fucks that have talked about UFOs that anybody talking about UFOs has to be out of their fucking mind. But then when you see these videos and you see them performing these
impossible tasks. Like these things are moving in a way that we've never seen anything move before. Flipping upside down in sideways, moving at insane rates of speed. Like they don't know what these are. Yeah, you know, phenomenal. What's interesting though is I was reading one of these stories and they passively mentioned that the sighting was near a technology, a US Naval like technology station of some sort, like a top secret development.
I'm like that could be one of two things either right? It's developed by the people that are at that base or they're monitoring the people that are at that base These aircraft we call them aircraft are displaying characteristics that are not currently within the US inventory nor any foreign inventory that we are aware of Maybe they see the shit that's going down with China and all the ships being moved and like listen you
Fuck heads. The aliens? Yeah. Maybe they're like, listen, you fucking morons, you territorial apes. I'd like to think that, but... You don't think so? Manhattan Project, man. I mean, the US has probably got some crazy motherfucking weapons. Could be, but the Manhattan Project was also coincidentally right after they started detonating bombs and the aliens started showing up.
That's what they think, right? Yeah, well, that was when the bulk of US sightings started jumping. And worldwide, I believe, too. You know, maybe we've slowly been getting more and more information about this. I've been actually reading a lot of these stories over the past several months, more admissions from government, more release of documents, and more sightings. So there's been a big...
I don't want to call it. Well, a lot of people murmuring that April was going to be the month when we finally learned the truth. April's almost up. It's almost up. It's almost up. We got like a few days to 27th. You know what I used to do more days. Do you know about what happened? Do you know about the O'Hare airport sighting?
Which one's that? So this was, I think in like, oh, six at Chicago's International O'Hare, a UFO came down and hovered above, I think, I can't remember which terminal it was, it hovered for a few minutes, I think, and then shot straight, punched a hole in the clouds. Everybody saw it happen.
Now, I had just quit working at O'Hare on this time when the sighting happened, so I had friends who were still there. I had a friend tell me that when this UFO came down, people on Mannheim Road, which is the road on the side of O'Hare, got out of their cars, like just stopped the light, got up, and we're looking and staring at it. And that the people who were working, where we worked, we worked for American Eagle Airlines, walked out of the rooms, and we're just staring at it, float, and then shoot up and punch a hole in the clouds. And you know what they said? Weather phenomenon.
So there's a photo of it. A pilot took a photo of it. This is back when, like, very early phone cameras. It's a very grainy, awful picture. There it is right there. That's not it. No, no, that's super fake. I think...
No, these are all people trying to fake. It's really hard to find that one is not that one might be it But I don't think so it it barely looks like carnal. Oh here UFO sighting 2006 Is that it right there? I do not believe those are it. No, so we'll click on that article to it says Jamie That one might be on the left
But so many people try exploiting this stuff for clicks and for reviews, and they make these fake photos. And it was. That link's not working? I'm clicking on a few times. It was a very, very faint photo from the cockpit. It might be that one right there in the middle. So on the left side? For a left? It might be that one. No, no, it's not it. That's not it.
Well, there was a really crappy photo of it. That might be it. That might be. It was out of the cockpit of a window, a pilot took a photo. And I wonder where have all the sightings gone since phones became ubiquitous? I mean, there's a simple, I guess, excuse the aliens, they're sentient. They know we have phones. They're like, OK, stop, de-clocking or whatever. But I wonder if, why is it there were so many UFOs and then around the time, cell phone cameras come out, they're gone.
Well, I think most people are full of shit. Yeah. Yeah. I think most people like to pretend they see things that don't really see things. But I don't think that excludes the possibility. It's not like
It's it's not like it's these things are mutually exclusive like people are full of shit therefore aliens don't exist I think Aliens could be real and people are full of shit And I think that it could be it's very rare that they visit us But if they do it like well how often do scientists go to the Congo to study chimps? I mean how many people do they send let me let me the bottom of the ocean to look for new life forms How rare is it let me trip you out okay on that idea?
We put decoys up for animals. Animals can't tell the difference. What if you've actually met a decoy person? You couldn't tell the difference. Maybe it's you, bro. Maybe it's me. That's right. And that's why you're able to work so much. Oh, yeah. Robot. You don't get tired. No. So you're interested in news and disseminating factual evidence. Because what I'm actually doing is collecting a database for the aliens.
Now, but I thought about this because I saw a photo on Reddit of a puffin, I think it's called The Bird. And they put up a fake puffin. And it's because, I think they're called puffins. It's because the birds don't like nesting in places where they're alone. And so I put in the decoy there, the other birds would start coming. And one bird showed up and was hanging out with the decoy. And I'm like, could you imagine? We put duck decoys in the water. We do duck calls. And the duck's like, ooh, fly honey, I'm going to come over and check this out. And it's like a wood block.
Could you imagine like seeing like a beautiful woman or someone you're attracted to and being like oh look at that It's really like an alien decoy just to like probe you and like better understand you or something well the decoy Just the term decoy is weird because decoys are used for hunting like Turkey it's turkey season right now Yeah, and the way that most guys hunt for turkeys they take a rubber turkey you put that fucker out in the middle of field and then you hide behind a bush with a shotgun you go
And then the turkey's like, hear it. And they come over and they try to get some pussy. And then they get shot. So what if you see some dude, or it's like, you see it for you, it'd be a beautiful woman. You wanna get that pussy. And then she's going like, hey, hey, come over here. And you're like, oh, hey me. And then I get eaten.
No, no, they just, you know, take it from the ship. Probion. Learn about your butt. This is the thing about putting things up your butt. Most doctors don't even do that. Like they have MRIs now. Aliens need to probe you in your ass. I think it's just what everyone's afraid of. They're afraid of things going in their ass. So that's what they think is going to happen if the aliens get them. They're going to freeze me in some class. Somebody told the dumb story back in the day and it was the most sensational version everybody had to have it. So they were like, that's what they went with, you know?
Maybe, or maybe they do that to keep you, keep your mouth shut. They fuck you in the ass just so you keep your mouth shut. Or some dude actually got abducted, right? Yeah. And he comes back and he's like, they think they won against me. They think they beat me. They put stuff up my butt. They're weirdos. Do you ever hear the story of Betty and Barney Hill?
No, it's the very first UFO abduction story. It's an ancient story. And what's crazy is Angela Hill, who's a UFC fighter, I had her on the podcast. And after the show, she told me her grandpa was Barney Hill. Whoa. And I was like, holy fuck, like we forgot to, we didn't talk about it during the show, but she wanted to bring it up because she knows
I'm kind of obsessed with UFOs, but the account that they have, they get hypnotized and he's recalling the abduction and they have like the same story. It's very terrifying. You hear him crying and screaming and, you know, that he was taking aboard this craft and examined and brought back and they have missing time. But here's the thing. If they only did that occasionally,
They only came down once every few years and just scoop some person up in the middle of some rural place. Like if you're flying over, you know, I think their instance was in, I believe it was in Maine, if you're flying over somewhere like Maine, which is a very low population state and you see a lone car and it's just traveling along the highway and this place is in Maine where you go from like Portland to Bangor.
When you're traveling on that road, it's like 60 miles with nothing, not a gas station, nothing. If you were an alien, you saw a car by itself, like no other cars move in, we got one. Isn't it just easier to think it's the US government?
No, why not? Because we don't have the capability of doing something like that. I don't think the capability of the scientists working for the government is any different than the capability of the scientists that are working for, you know, Project X or, you know, fill in the blanks in terms of like what Raytheon, the publicly traded companies, how long, look, quadcopters don't seem all that complicated to me.
Quadcopters. Yeah. Like a helicopter? Like drones. You know, we've seen the little drone toys you buy. They got four propellers. Take that concept, use thinner jets and surround it in a disc so that it's universally like it can move in any direction because it's got, you know, because it's a power source. Where's the gas tank?
Well, lithium-ion battery. Come on, man. You're talking space shit. Like, this hasn't even been invented yet. Think about how little mileage you can get out of a Tesla. You know they had... It's advanced as Tesla is. You know, still, when it's going full out, it can only go for... I mean, you get 307 miles if you drive like a grandma, but if you drive like a maniac, you don't even get half that.
You know that they, I could be wrong with this, but I'm pretty sure that they had this flying platform in the 70s that uses gas power and they've also had jetpacks for a long time. No, they've had sword of, they've had jetpacks that are capable of going for like 30 seconds. They don't, I've experienced. No, I'm pretty sure the jetpacks back in the day went for a long time. No, no, they definitely didn't. We can look it up. Yeah, let's look it up because they definitely didn't. The whole thing was the fact they were burning gas and to propel you in the air, they only had a certain amount.
I thought it was like 20 minutes, 20, 30 minutes. Maybe now. My understanding of why we abandoned jetpack technology was that it was inefficient and heavy, and you couldn't carry it without it being turned on. So they opted for larger, like, you know, like what are they called? Chinooks, helicopters that can carry multiple people at once. When you're wearing a jetpack, it has to be on idle, negating its own weight, which means it's burning as you're walking around, which means you get a good 20-minute jump and you got to abandon the tech.
And then you don't want your enemies to get it. Have you ever seen a guy fly a jetpack? Yeah, as a video on YouTube. No, I mean in real life. Oh, I've seen that one guy, the Iron Man dude, not in real life. I've been there in real life. My friend Willie B from in Denver on the radio. Yeah. He had a radio show in the morning, I used to use a radio show. I think he still has a radio show. Shout out to Willie. And he had this guy who was a jetpack pilot.
who came in and in the parking lot of the radio studio and you know fans of the radio show came and did it to him and watched it rather and this guy flew in the air for about fifteen twenty seconds and then landed this guy was so banged up he both of his legs were blown apart he had uh... he had big braces on both of his knees i'm like what happened in these he's like just crash landing both my knees are blown to shit had no a c l's in either one of his knees but what i'm saying jetpacks
This is back then. It was good for about 30 seconds. 30 seconds of flying. Well, the point I was trying to get to is if you take something like a quadcopter, you could absolutely fuel it with gas. It'd be loud as fuck. But it would, depending on how you mitigate the duration. It'd be an engine.
It'd be an engine. It'd be loud as fuck. And you'd hear from the quadrotors. Yeah, but what these people are describing is nothing like that. These people are describing things that are silent, that go from zero to a thousand miles an hour in a split second. The things that defy physics as we understand them. This is not something that I think that the US government has. I just say, if you look at like, OK, like Elon Musk's company, Project X or SpaceX, SpaceX is
right now, one of the premier civilian companies, private companies, that's making rocket ships. They fuck up all the time. They're in the middle of innovating all the time. He's one of the smartest people on earth. He's one of the, in terms of technology, he knows as much about propulsion as anyone, and they still can't get it right. They're still trying to figure it out. They're trying to come up with something that could be viable in terms of commercial spaceflight, and they're working on it daily.
And these people with the brightest minds we know of right now that are in this jet propulsion space travel business. There's, you know, virgins working on something. There's a couple other companies that are working on things as well. And then you have NASA, which worked. They're the best they could come up with was the space shuttle. Right.
Do you think that there was something way better than space shuttle that just never used that they had and they kept it on the back burner? Didn't want to let anybody know. But the way they would use it is they would pick people up and erase their memory and experiment their asshole. That's crazy. Well, that's less likely than the hundreds of billions of galaxies.
Just in our own known universe, right? Each one with hundreds of billions of stars, each star with who knows how many fucking planets? That's somewhere out there that's something more advanced than us, maybe a thousand years, maybe a million years. But it's figured out how to come here. I got the same question, then why hasn't anyone discovered them? Why has SETI failed? Search for extraterrestrial intelligence. Why haven't the chimps invented guns?
They've started using more tools, but... Right. Why haven't they invented guns, though? I don't know. So why hasn't said he found UFOs? The same fucking answer. They're not advanced enough yet. It's a real simple answer. The industrial age is pretty fucking recent. Right. I mean, you think about when people invented cars, you're talking about 1800. That's really recent. And we've only used... Clean flights. 1800. High-power radio transmission is only in the past 100 years or so. Right. Well, you saw... You ever seen the movie Contact?
Maybe that's a old one, right? It's Jody Foster and Matthew McConaughey. It's based on Carl Sagan's book about contact with space and with aliens. I think I did see it recently. I can't remember. Interesting take on it. But the idea is that they've received the signal that we sent out way, way back in the day actually when the
The first broadcast signal was Hitler announcing the Olympic Games to start of the Berlin Games. And this was the first signal they got. It was a really controversial moment in the movie or a controversy, you know, in the plot with that once they were trying to decipher the image that was being sent, they realized it was Hitler. Yeah. The first thing they see is a swastika and they're like, what the fuck
is this at a back to us and then they had a realize oh no this is the first image that we sent out the space they wouldn't be able to understand the political or historical contacts of this and well so so i i got a few there's a few issues i see in terms of aliens and earth contact right we are substantially more connected but you know in an evolutionary chain to ants then we are to any alien so we
We can't communicate with them for the most part. We kind of can. We understand how they communicate. But when an aunt sees a superhighway, this is someone else's quote, they don't think twice. So it's possible there are aliens that have superhighways right above us. We can't tell what it is. Same as a dog doesn't understand other than stay away from it. Sure. But one of the issues I think is often neglected in the conversation about aliens is the
We assume aliens would be on a very similar planet to us. We assume that they would have some kind of gaseous atmosphere, perhaps it's a liquid atmosphere. And one of the things that I would ask of a researcher, because I'm not the expert, is the fact that we have the proper balance of oxygen in the atmosphere to manipulate fire, which allows us to separate elements and then create computers and components and fuels, wouldn't exist on a planet without the same
