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    #1315 - Bob Lazar & Jeremy Corbell

    en-usJune 20, 2019
    What initially attracted Bob Lazar to Area 51?
    How did Lazar's perception of his job change?
    What does the government call unidentified aerial phenomena now?
    What does the Wilson memo discuss regarding UFOs?
    How does private industry contribute to UFO research?

    Podcast Summary

    • Bob Lazar's Journey Into Area 51: From Ordinary to ExtraordinaryBob Lazar's perception of his job at Area 51 changed from an ordinary opportunity to an extraordinary and secretive role, as hinted by the mention of security clearances and extensive paperwork.

      Bob Lazar's journey into Area 51 and his involvement in advanced propulsion was not initially seen as weird or mysterious. He was attracted to the job due to its remote location and the typical work schedule of the scientific community in that area. It was only after he accepted the job and went through the paperwork on his first day that things started to get interesting. The mention of security clearances and extensive paperwork hinted at the secretive nature of the work. This conversation highlights the gradual progression of events and how Lazar's perception of the job shifted from ordinary to extraordinary.

    • Uncovering Alien Technology SecretsBob Lazar's firsthand experience confirms the existence of advanced technology with gravitational manipulation capabilities, suggesting the involvement of classified and compartmentalized projects aimed at reverse-engineering alien technology.

      Bob Lazar experienced and witnessed highly advanced and unconventional technology during his work at a secret facility. This technology included a small reactor that produced its own gravitational field, which is beyond the capabilities of current scientific understanding. The reactor had the ability to push objects away, resembling the repulsion of two magnets. Bob's initial skepticism about the information he read in the briefings was validated when he encountered the reactor and experienced its unique properties firsthand. This suggests that the information provided in the briefings was accurate, and his work involved attempting to reverse-engineer alien technology. The conversation highlights the existence of classified projects and the compartmentalization of information to maintain secrecy.

    • Bob Lazar's encounter with extraterrestrial technology and its dangerous consequences.Bob Lazar's experience revealed the astonishing potential and hazards of extraterrestrial technology, emphasizing the limited knowledge and risks involved in attempting to understand and reproduce it.

      Bob Lazar's experience with the extraterrestrial technology was both exciting and concerning. He describes how the technology operated without electrical wiring, instead relying on proximity between components. However, he also mentions a horrific accident where someone died while attempting to tamper with the reactor. The power levels required to manipulate gravity and produce the effects seen in the craft were astronomical and extremely dangerous. Bob Lazar expresses his realization that they had no understanding of how the technology truly worked and were essentially guinea pigs in their attempts to reverse engineer it. Despite their efforts, the origin of the technology remained a mystery and the information provided to them was limited.

    • Bob Lazar's intriguing experience with a UFO and the mysteries surrounding its origin and technology.Bob Lazar's curiosity and hands-on experience with a UFO contributed to significant progress in understanding its technology, despite the lack of verification for some claims.

      Bob Lazar's experience with the unidentified flying object (UFO) revealed intriguing information. While he admitted uncertainty about the authenticity of the craft's origin from the Zeta Reticuli STAR system, the mention of ZR 3 indicated a specific planet within that system. However, Lazar acknowledged the lack of verification for this claim. Joe Rogan questioned if disinformation was intentionally added to discredit factual evidence. Despite initial confusion and skepticism, Lazar's excitement and curiosity led him to study and understand the detailed information available. His hands-on experience inside the craft revealed anti-gravity technology, but the underlying workings of the reactor remained somewhat of a mystery. Overall, Lazar's time at the facility contributed to significant progress in unraveling the spaceship's mechanisms.

    • Bob Lazar's Encounter with Element 115 and Alien TechnologyBob Lazar's claims and experiences suggest the existence of advanced extraterrestrial technology, challenging conventional knowledge and leaving room for further exploration and investigation.

      Bob Lazar claims to have encountered a stable version of Element 115, a fuel that was not originally recognized on the periodic table. This element was said to have come with a craft that Lazar had the opportunity to examine. Despite skepticism from detractors, Lazar maintains that his experiences have been proven true over time. Inside the craft, he describes a dark pewter color, absence of right angles, and a fusion-like appearance. The craft seemed designed for smaller beings, with seats and a reactor, but no control panels or decorative elements. Lazar's account challenges conventional knowledge and raises questions about the potential existence of advanced extraterrestrial technology.

    • Bob Lazar's Encounters with Otherworldly Craft and Restricted ExplorationStrict security protocols and limited time hindered Bob Lazar's ability to fully study and innovate upon the advanced technology of the otherworldly craft, slowing down scientific understanding and progress.

      Bob Lazar had a firsthand experience inside an otherworldly craft that had advanced technology, such as the ability for certain sections to become transparent. However, he was not allowed to ask questions or engage in free scientific discussion due to strict security protocols. This hindered progress and innovation, ultimately slowing down advancements in scientific understanding. Bob Lazar's role was to study and understand the craft's propulsion system and reactor, but he was given limited time to do so. The craft had three seats and large rectangular objects that were likely gravity amplifiers. Other crafts he glimpsed were different in appearance, and one showed physical damage.

    • Unraveling the Enigma: Bob Lazar's Struggles with an Unidentified CraftBob Lazar's encounters with an unidentified craft challenged scientific principles, from its heatless operation and lack of magnetic fields to defying conventional radio wave behavior.

      Bob Lazar, while working on the unidentified craft, faced challenges in understanding its functioning and capabilities. He and his team conducted various tests on the craft but struggled to comprehend its mechanisms. One of the intriguing observations was that the craft operated without generating heat, which defied the basic laws of thermodynamics. They also tried measuring magnetic fields but found none. Additionally, Bob witnessed the craft silently lifting off the ground and hovering. Interestingly, they communicated with the craft using a radio, even though radio waves should supposedly bend around it. Overall, the conversation highlights the mysterious and extraordinary nature of the craft, presenting a notable contrast to conventional technology and science.

    • Bob Lazar's Mind-Blowing Encounter at Area 51Bob Lazar's account of advanced technology and personal challenges highlights the need to acknowledge and explore human experiences to uncover extraordinary scientific advancements.

      Bob Lazar, a former employee at Area 51, witnessed groundbreaking technology that defied the laws of physics. He described a craft that emitted a heart-shaped gravitational distortion, allowing it to be invisible to the naked eye. Despite the craft distorting energy and communication systems, it was still in contact with those operating it. Lazar also revealed a test flight schedule, with Wednesdays being the least busy day, enabling the craft to perform radical maneuvers without being detected. Additionally, the conversation touched on the personal consequences Lazar faced, including surveillance and suspicion of infidelity. The evidence, although dated, supports Lazar's claims and the importance of the human accounts in validating his story.

    • Bob Lazar's UFO Encounter and its ImplicationsBob Lazar's account of witnessing and filming a UFO test flight, supported by testimonies and strange occurrences, challenges our understanding of advanced technology and raises the need to investigate extraterrestrial possibilities.

      Bob Lazar's story about witnessing and filming a test flight of a UFO with extraordinary maneuverability raises questions about the existence of advanced technology beyond our understanding. Despite initially admitting that he cannot prove his story, Lazar's account is supported by testimonies from other individuals, including Commander David Traver. The observed movements of the craft, described as defying inertia and physics, suggest that it operates within its own gravitational envelope. Lazar's encounters with government officials and being monitored after the incident further lend credibility to his claims. The fact that he reached out to investigative reporter George Knapp highlights his desire to share his experience and seek protection. The conversation underscores the need to explore and analyze the possibility of advanced extraterrestrial technologies.

    • Ongoing interest and research in the UFO phenomenon by the US government suggests a serious approach towards understanding and potentially reverse-engineering aerospace technology.Despite stigma and skepticism, evidence suggests that credible individuals have witnessed and studied unidentified aerial phenomena, demanding further investigation and exploration.

      There is ongoing interest and research in the UFO phenomenon by the United States government. Despite the stigma and skepticism associated with the topic, there is evidence to suggest that credible individuals have witnessed and studied unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs). The government has admitted to continuously studying UFOs and has even changed the terminology to UAPs (unidentified aerial phenomenon) to better reflect the nature of these sightings. This indicates a serious approach towards understanding and potentially reverse-engineering the aerospace technology behind these phenomena. With data from visual pilots and radar, there is compelling evidence that these encounters are not mere fantasies but a real and significant aspect that demands further investigation and exploration.

    • Gravity waves and the potential for advanced technologyThe understanding of gravity waves challenges previous beliefs and opens up possibilities for advanced technology, highlighting the importance of scientific and technological advancements in today's world.

      There is a growing understanding and acceptance of the existence of gravity waves, which were first observed in 2015. This discovery challenges the previous belief that gravity is produced by particles called gravitons, emphasizing that gravity is actually a wave. The implications of this understanding are significant, as it suggests the existence of technology that can manipulate gravity, potentially leading to the ability to control time, create force fields, and accomplish things previously seen only in science fiction. It is important to separate the UFO topic from the fascination with advanced technology, as the focus should be on the scientific and technological advancements rather than the existence of extraterrestrial beings. The conversation also highlights the ongoing quest for cutting-edge technology and the desire to be at the forefront of technological innovation.

    • The Wilson Memo: Insights into UFO Technology and SecrecyThe Wilson memo sheds light on the presence of UFOs, their connection to material science limitations, and the involvement of private industries in maintaining secrecy.

      There is a real document circulating called the Wilson memo or Wilson League that discusses the search for UFOs and the special access program related to reverse engineering programs. The document validates the idea that progress is hindered by material science limitations, which leads to the technology being put away and later revisited when science catches up. The document also highlights the involvement of private industry in these programs, as they are better able to maintain secrecy compared to leaky governments. It is suggested that at least one of the UFOs mentioned in the document is ancient and possibly obtained through an archaeological dig. Overall, this conversation provides insight into the existence and handling of UFO technology.

    • Government Funding and Secrecy in UFO StudiesBob Lazar and Jeremy Corbell's discussion sheds light on the hidden government programs studying UFOs, revealing the consequences faced by whistleblowers and emphasizing the need for transparency.

      Bob Lazar, Jeremy Corbell, and Joe Rogan discuss the significance of government funding and secrecy surrounding UFO studies. They highlight the shocking revelation that the $22 million OSAP program was initiated to study Skinwalker Ranch, inspired by the sightings of mysterious vehicles in the area. Additionally, they mention the auxiliary program ATIP, which focuses on military settings and UFO tracking. Bob Lazar reveals the consequences he faced after going public with this information, including audits by the IRS and the revoking of clearances for his acquaintances. The conversation emphasizes the importance of transparency and the potential repercussions of shedding light on classified information.

    • Unveiling the Secrets: Advanced Technology, Extraterrestrial Discoveries, and Government DilemmasGovernments possess advanced technology and extraterrestrial knowledge, but struggle with disclosure due to uncertainty, lack of understanding, and control over immense power. The complexity and magnitude of hidden information raise questions about intentions and global possession.

      The secrecy surrounding advanced technology and potential extraterrestrial discoveries creates uncertainty and a lack of understanding. Joe Rogan highlights the dilemma faced by government officials when they possess knowledge that they cannot fully comprehend or disclose, leading to a dilemma of what to tell the public. The conversation also touches upon the immense power and control that mastering such technology can bring. It becomes clear that various governments have been involved in covert exchanges and discoveries, but the reasons behind keeping these advancements hidden remain unclear. Bob Lazar's mention of rocket technology in Germany and the 9 discoveries brings up questions about who possesses these advancements and their intentions. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the complexity and magnitude of the information being withheld from the public.

    • Unidentified Objects: Unexplained Sightings in the Skies and OceansAdvanced civilizations with superior technology may be behind the sightings of unidentified objects, powered by a common source and potentially fueled by stable element 115.

      There are credible sightings and evidence of unidentified objects in our skies and oceans that defy conventional explanations. The Tiktok Nimmet's case in 2004 and the Gimbal video released by the Pentagon are examples of these encounters. These objects exhibit unique flying capabilities, such as rotating and moving at high speeds, that do not conform to traditional aircraft designs. Despite their different shapes, they are powered by the same source. It is suggested that these advanced technologies may be the result of a civilization that has made significant technological advancements and possesses greater intellect than ours. The existence of stable element 115, a naturally occurring material, could be a key factor in their advancements.

    • The Acceleration of Technological Change and the Evolution of Artificial BeingsThe rapid advancement of technology is paving the way for the creation of artificial beings and potentially blurring the line between biological and synthetic life forms.

      There is a rapid rate of technological change that is significantly higher than ever before. This increase in technological advancement has led to the development of artificial reality, artificial beings, and artificial intelligence. It is possible that the aliens or extraterrestrial life forms that have been reported are actually synthetic organisms or machines created for specific tasks, rather than biological beings. The progression towards technological innovation is evident in our society's constant search for faster, better, and more advanced technologies. This trend also reflects a move away from physical strength and violence, towards a society focused on technological improvement and the elimination of negative human behaviors. Eventually, human beings may merge with technology, becoming cyborgs and further enhancing our capabilities.

    • The Integration of Technology in Human EvolutionHumans are naturally progressing towards embracing and adapting to new technologies, just as they have done with cell phones and televisions.

      There is a belief in the progression of human beings towards integrating technology into their lives. The conversation explores the idea that humans are like electronic caterpillars unknowingly creating a cocoon that will transform them into technologically enhanced beings. This perspective suggests that our fascination with and reliance on technology may be a natural part of human evolution. The discussion also highlights the irresistible nature of technological advancements, as seen in the example of how Tesla cars provide comfort and convenience. While there may be a few holdouts who resist these changes, the majority of people are likely to embrace and adapt to new technologies, just as they have done with cell phones and televisions.

    • Humanity's Power and Responsibility in the Age of AdvancementHumanity must recognize the importance of responsibility and consciousness as we harness our power and advance technologically, while also considering external influences and appreciating the work of others.

      Humanity possesses immense power and technological advancement, yet lacks the responsibility and understanding to utilize it effectively. Jeremy Corbell and Joe Rogan discuss how humans have transformed and shaped the Earth, but also consider the possibility of external forces, such as aliens, playing a role in our development. They highlight the need for humans to progress beyond our current warring and polluting civilization in order to reach higher levels of existence, as theorized by Carl Sagan. They also acknowledge that our reliance on innovation and technology comes with a lack of appreciation for the work and effort put in by others. Overall, this conversation emphasizes the need for humanity to be responsible and conscious of the consequences of our actions as we strive for progress and advancement.

    • The Possibility of Uniformity and Biological Implications Across the UniverseThe discussion implies that uniformity in distance between galaxies may suggest uniformity on a biological level, while also highlighting the existence of advanced weapon systems and raising questions about our understanding of space and time.

      There is a strong possibility of uniformity and biological implications across the universe. Joe Rogan, while discussing the uniformity of galaxies and star systems, suggests that if there is uniformity in terms of distance between galaxies, it is likely that this uniformity exists on a biological level as well. Bob Lazar adds to this by mentioning the existence of weapon systems and projects related to time distortion and manipulation. He explains that the craft he encountered may have had a gravitational envelope or a gravity distortion field, which could explain its seemingly fast movement. The conversation highlights the astonishing speed and unpredictability of these objects, raising questions about our understanding of space and time. Overall, this conversation suggests that there may be more to the universe than we currently know.

    • The consequences of pursuing Nikola Tesla's concept of wireless electricity transmission on our technological development.Wireless electricity transmission could have led to advancements in home lighting, but it would have disrupted modern electronics, hindering the development of microelectronics and computers. Alternative timelines for technological progression and challenges in uncovering historical events are also discussed.

      If Nikola Tesla's concept of wireless electricity transmission had been pursued, it would have had significant consequences for our technological development. While it may have allowed for wireless power to light up our homes, it would have caused overwhelming interference and destruction to modern electronics. As Bob Lazar points out, integrated circuits and transistors would have been disintegrated, preventing the advancement of microelectronics and computers as we know them today. This conversation also discusses the difficulty in imagining alternative timelines for technological progression and the potential existence of intelligent beings with different forms of technological innovation. Additionally, it highlights the attempts to erase Bob Lazar's past and discredit his claims about working at Los Alamos, showcasing the challenges faced in uncovering historical events before the digital age.

    • The Erasure and Discreditation of Bob Lazar's StoryBob Lazar's claims about working at Los Alamos and prestigious institutions are met with skepticism due to the absence of records, but some evidence supports his assertions. Skeptics, however, continue to dismiss his claims as science fiction.

      Bob Lazar's story is filled with multiple instances of erasure and discreditation, which creates a sense of fear and intimidation. The absence of records of his employment and education, along with the disappearance of his birth certificate, contribute to the skepticism surrounding his claims about working at Los Alamos and attending prestigious institutions like Caltech and MIT. However, the discovery of a phone directory from 1982 and the existence of a unique hand-scanning device in Los Alamos provide some evidence to support Lazar's assertions. Despite these findings, skeptics continue to use these erasures as ammunition to dismiss his claims as mere science fiction.

    • The importance of balanced skepticism and avoiding dismissivenessBeing skeptical is important, but dismissing everything as bullshit without examining evidence is unproductive. Bob Lazar's credibility is growing, backed by various individuals and evidence.

      Being a skeptic can be lazy and dangerous. While it's important to approach things objectively and be skeptical of certain claims, constantly looking for reasons to dismiss everything as bullshit is not productive. It's crucial to separate our ego and not play the game of calling bullshit just for the sake of it. In the case discussed, Bob Lazar's credibility has been supported by various individuals and evidence, including a security clearance officer who confirmed his involvement and a handwritten note that verifies his claims. Examining all the information, including the testimonies from credible sources and recent evidence, gives Bob Lazar far more credibility now than he had in the past.

    • Bob Lazar's Unconventional Story and the Importance of Open-MindednessBy listening to and considering unconventional stories like Bob Lazar's, we can gain new perspectives and empower others to share their own experiences in similar fields.

      Bob Lazar's story, despite its controversial nature, deserves attention and open-mindedness. Joe Rogan expresses his support for Lazar, noting that anyone interested in UFOs has followed his story for decades because there's no one else like him. Jeremy Corbell adds that by providing a platform for Lazar to share his experiences, more people may feel empowered to come forward with their own involvement in similar projects. Furthermore, Lazar emphasizes that he hasn't profited from his claims and even donates any money received to science programs. Joe Rogan acknowledges Lazar's personal sacrifices and expresses gratitude for his contribution to sharing this information with the world. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of listening to unconventional stories and considering alternative perspectives.

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