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    #1070 - Jordan Peterson

    en-usJanuary 30, 2018
    What role does conflict play in television shows?
    How does YouTube facilitate longer discussions than traditional media?
    What is highlighted by the focus on victimhood in media?
    Why does Peterson emphasize avoiding time-wasting activities?
    How can small actions impact our overall well-being?

    Podcast Summary

    • TV shows rely on conflict, while YouTube promotes open discussions, as seen in the Jordan Peterson interview with Kathy Newman.YouTube's commitment to open discussions contrasts with TV's focus on conflict. Society's double standards on victimhood and the dangers of striving for equal outcomes are highlighted.

      Television shows often rely on creating conflict and controversy to capture viewers' attention in a limited amount of time. This was evident in Jordan Peterson's interview with Kathy Newman, where she turned the conversation into a confrontation. The rise of platforms like YouTube, on the other hand, allows for longer and more comprehensive discussions to take place. YouTube's decision to upload the entire interview, despite controversy, highlights their commitment to providing open and uncensored discussions. Additionally, the narrative surrounding the interview became focused on Newman being a victim, despite the fact that there were significantly more negative and even violent comments directed towards Peterson. This highlights the double standards and selective focus on victimhood in society. Lastly, the notion of equality of outcome is challenged, as true freedom allows individuals to choose not to engage and the evidence shows the dangers of striving for equal outcomes.

    • Exploring the complexities of inequality, capitalism, and societal stability while challenging prevailing narrativesExcessive inequality poses challenges to society, but blaming capitalism alone is misleading. Group identities should not overshadow individual identities, and scientific evidence should be considered in debates. Ignoring reality only reinforces certain ideologies.

      Success and inequality are natural occurrences that exist not only in capitalism but in various aspects of life, such as nature and creative domains. Blaming capitalism alone for inequality is technically false. However, excessive inequality can destabilize society, and finding a balance between wealth generation and reducing inequality remains a challenge. Additionally, the narrative of victim versus oppressor, promoted by post-modern neo-Marxists, is a flawed way of looking at the world. It prioritizes group identities over individual identities, which goes against the principles of Western societies. Furthermore, scientific evidence supports the existence of intrinsic differences between men and women, contrary to the current debate fueled by legislative actions. The misrepresentation and vilification of Jordan Peterson exemplify a conscious decision to ignore reality and reinforce certain ideologies.

    • Exploring Gender Differences: Similarities and ExtremesWhile there are commonalities between men and women, the variations become more pronounced at the extremes, demonstrating the importance of recognizing subtleties when examining gender differences and their effects on society.

      There are both similarities and differences between men and women, but the differences become more significant at the extremes. While there is a lot of overlap in terms of aggression levels, for example, men are more likely to be temperamentally aggressive, but this is not a definitive characteristic for all men. However, when looking at the most aggressive individuals, they are predominantly male, which is why a majority of people in prisons are men. Similarly, while there is overlap in interests between men and women, men tend to be more interested in things and women in people. These differences, although relatively small on average, can have significant implications in certain areas like the workplace. Understanding these subtleties is crucial when discussing gender differences and their impact on societal outcomes.

    • Challenging biases and embracing diversity: Breaking stereotypes for a more inclusive society.Recognizing and respecting individual differences, including women's interests and abilities, is vital for promoting inclusivity and breaking stereotypes in various industries.

      Freedom allows individuals to pursue their passions and interests, even if they are extreme or unconventional. This includes activities like free climbing or becoming an MMA fighter. However, recent comments made by the CEO of YouTube and the CEO of Google have reinforced the fact that there are still misconceptions and biases regarding women's interests and abilities in certain industries, such as tech. Research suggests that women may have different interests and preferences, and it is important not to view these differences as deficiencies or capabilities. Instead, understanding and respecting individual differences, including personality and interests, is crucial in promoting inclusivity and diversity. Recognizing that people's choices and interests may be influenced by a combination of biological and social factors can help break stereotypes and create a more equitable society.

    • The dangers of labeling and attacking those who discuss gender differencesEngaging in open and respectful dialogue is crucial to understanding different viewpoints, but labeling and attacking individuals who discuss gender differences only hinders productive conversation.

      There is a growing trend of labeling anyone who points out differences between genders as sexist or discriminatory. This narrative seems to stem from the radical left, which is quick to attack those who challenge their beliefs. Jordan Peterson discusses how he has been targeted by this group because he stands up against their extreme ideology. This tactic of labeling reasonable individuals as Nazis or extremists is a way for the radical left to avoid admitting that their own views may be unreasonable. Peterson's example of a teaching assistant being attacked for showing a video that discussed differences in gender is a clear demonstration of how this narrative can manifest in real life. It is essential to engage in open and respectful dialogue without resorting to personal attacks or misinterpretations of different viewpoints.

    • The Influence of Postmodern Identity Politics in Universities and the Tech Industry: A Concern for Openness and EqualityThe rising influence of postmodern identity politics poses a threat to productive dialogue and promotes division, urging CEOs and individuals to be mindful of its potential consequences on their organizations.

      Universities and the tech industry are increasingly being influenced by postmodern identity politics, which is spreading into the business world. This toxic tribal ideology goes against the principles of openness and equality that the left used to stand for. There is a willful ignorance and deceptive narrative that categorizes opposing views into reprehensible categories, stifling productive dialogue and promoting division. It is concerning that powerful positions in many institutions, such as HR, are being occupied by those who subscribe to this ideology. Allowing this ideology into companies under the guise of social acceptance is a mistake that will have consequences. CEOs and individuals need to be aware of this wave and its potential impact on their organizations.

    • The dangers and flaws of Marxism and its connection to equality of outcome, as discussed by Jordan Peterson and Joe RoganImplementing a Marxist system can lead to starvation, repression, and a tyrannical government, while the concept of equality of outcome poses technical challenges and lacks a stopping point.

      Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan discuss the dangers and flaws of Marxism and its connection to equality of outcome. They emphasize the consequences of implementing a Marxist system, such as the starvation and repression that occurred in the Soviet Union. Peterson argues that in order to achieve equality of outcome, immense power must be given to the government, resulting in an inevitable tyranny. Additionally, the concept of equality of outcome poses technical problems, as there are countless measures of outcome, including happiness, health, and social connections. They question where the line should be drawn and argue that there is no stopping point, ultimately leading to a tyrannical system. They also ponder why Marxism attracts young students and university professors.

    • Addressing Inequality: The Role of the Left WingThe left wing plays a crucial role in advocating for the disadvantaged, preventing inequality from worsening, and promoting compassion and fairness rather than engaging in divisive identity politics.

      The issue of inequality is a serious concern that needs to be addressed. The left wing is necessary because it functions as a political voice for the dispossessed and prevents inequality from spiraling out of control. When people are stuck at 0, unable to make progress or open avenues of opportunity, it leads to suffering and potential destabilization of society. Inequality also breeds resentment among young individuals who feel disadvantaged and face additional challenges based on race, ethnicity, or gender. While the desire to help the poor and dispossessed is commendable, it can be contaminated by resentment, ideological certainty, and a disdain for the successful. Both extremes, the radical left and radical right, engage in divisive identity politics, leading to a battleground mentality where power and oppression become the main focus. Instead of playing these games, it is important to promote compassion, fairness, and avoid falling into the traps of guilt or cruelty.

    • Taking Responsibility and Overcoming Tribalism for Personal and Societal GrowthBy accepting responsibility and working to improve ourselves, we can address societal problems and avoid toxic tribalism. Effective communication and acknowledging the importance of diverse perspectives are essential for progress.

      Playing the victim and engaging in toxic tribalism only worsens our problems. Jordan Peterson highlights the importance of individuals taking responsibility for their own lives, setting their houses in order, and striving to improve themselves rather than succumbing to resentment and bitterness. He emphasizes the need to accept the suffering in life and transform as a consequence, symbolically represented by picking up our own crosses and walking up the hill. Joe Rogan adds that the current state of communication and recognition of tribalistic thinking is a step in the right direction, as it prompts us to negotiate and engage in meaningful debates instead of fighting. Furthermore, understanding that different political preferences are influenced by biological temperament is crucial, as both the conservative approach and the entrepreneurial and creative approach are necessary for societal balance and progress.

    • The Importance of Collaboration Between Liberals and ConservativesConstant communication and collaboration between liberals and conservatives is necessary for navigating change, preserving existing systems, and achieving personal growth and success that positively impacts communities.

      Both liberals and conservatives play crucial roles in society and need each other. Liberals are the creative thinkers who start companies, while conservatives excel at running and maximizing efficiency in those companies. However, the challenge lies in the fact that conservatives can often be resistant to change and lack the ability to think outside the box. To navigate this, constant communication and dialogue between the two is essential. The environment and circumstances are constantly evolving, and therefore, the preservation versus transformation of existing systems and practices is always a dilemma. The solution lies in continuous conversation and collaboration. Additionally, it is important for individuals to strive for personal growth and development, transcending tribal identities and becoming fully realized individuals who can revitalize and reshape their communities when needed. The Future Authoring program aims to provide structure and guidance for young people in establishing their sense of self and navigating their way towards personal success that benefits not just themselves, but also their families and the broader community.

    • Balancing Discipline and Creativity for Personal Growth and Meaningful LifeFinding meaning in life and achieving personal growth require a balance between discipline and creativity, embracing responsibility, facing discomfort, and recognizing one's inner power.

      Finding meaning in life and achieving personal growth require a balance between discipline and creativity, competitiveness and compassion. Jordan Peterson emphasizes the importance of adopting responsibility and creating a vision for a worthwhile life. It's about taking care of oneself, loved ones, community, and embracing ancient wisdom. Joe Rogan adds that losing and facing discomfort are crucial for personal growth and motivation. He highlights how martial arts, particularly jujitsu, can teach valuable life lessons, showing that intelligence and strategy play a significant role in such practices. Ultimately, both speakers emphasize the need to embrace one's inner "monster" while also learning to control it, recognizing the power and potential within each individual to create a meaningful, successful, and fulfilling life.

    • Embracing Loss and Failure for Growth and SuccessBy embracing losses as learning experiences, seeking out challenges, and finding balance in various aspects of life, we can achieve personal growth, success, and fulfillment.

      Embracing loss and failure is crucial for personal growth and success. It is important to understand that losing in a competition or facing setbacks is not a defeat, but rather an opportunity to learn and improve. By embracing losses as learning experiences, we can push ourselves beyond our current capacities and develop new skills. Choosing the right level of competition where you are not always winning is essential in order to challenge yourself and expand your competence. Additionally, finding meaning and purpose in life comes from engaging in activities that satisfy our inner needs and desires, while also aligning with our long-term goals. Balancing various aspects such as competition, discipline, and connection with others is key to maintaining personal well-being and fulfillment.

    • Finding Meaning and Responsibility in LifeJordan Peterson emphasizes the importance of taking responsibility for oneself and others, finding ways to gratify internal desires, and striving to achieve personal potential and order in the face of chaos.

      Life has inherent meaning, despite the presence of suffering and malevolence. Jordan Peterson emphasizes the importance of taking responsibility for oneself and others, and finding ways to gratify internal desires in a sustainable and reciprocal manner. He argues that reciprocity and honesty are key elements of a genuine human ethic. Peterson also highlights the significance of truth-telling in transforming potential into a habitable reality. Taking responsibility and striving to achieve personal potential and order in the face of chaos is crucial. This message resonates with many because it counters the prevailing emphasis on self-esteem and provides a call to action for individuals to clean their room, put their lives in order, and work towards a better world.

    • Balancing confidence with self-awareness and actionUnderstanding your potential and taking proactive steps to improve your life and make a positive impact on others is more valuable than just having self-esteem.

      Having confidence is important, but it should be tempered by an understanding of one's potential and what they have accomplished versus what they can accomplish. It's not enough to just feel good about who you are if your life is chaotic and in disorder. Instead, focus on understanding the potential within you to set things straight and do everything you can to manifest that in the world. This is better than just having self-esteem because it acknowledges that sometimes life can be tragic and tainted with malevolence. By standing up, facing the challenges, and having truthful conversations, you can make things better and improve your life and the lives of those around you.

    • The Consequences of Time-Wasting and the Importance of Time ManagementReflect on the value of your time and avoid unproductive activities. Small improvements in time management can lead to significant lifelong benefits. Embrace discipline to change habits and prioritize meaningful goals for personal growth and a fulfilling life.

      Wasting time can have significant long-term consequences. Jordan Peterson highlights how many people spend hours each day engaging in unproductive activities, such as mindlessly browsing the internet or procrastinating. By asking individuals to reflect on the value of their time and the potential earnings they could be missing out on, Peterson emphasizes the importance of avoiding time-wasting behaviors. He suggests that even small improvements in time management can lead to substantial benefits over the course of a lifetime. Furthermore, Peterson and Joe Rogan discuss the discomfort and resistance associated with embracing discipline in order to change these habits. However, they highlight the potential for personal growth and a more fulfilling life when individuals prioritize their time and set meaningful goals.

    • Developing a Vision and Confronting Malevolence for Personal GrowthBy envisioning your future, recognizing the negative consequences of bad habits, and making positive changes, you can motivate yourself to become a better person and contribute to a better world.

      Developing a vision for your life is essential. Take the time to envision what your life will be like in the next few years and write it down. Additionally, it's crucial to recognize the negative consequences of staying on a destructive path. By outlining the potential future outcomes of your bad habits and negative behaviors, you create a personal hell that you want to avoid. This realization serves as motivation to make necessary changes and take the difficult steps towards personal growth. Instead of solely hoping for positive outcomes, it's important to confront the malevolence within yourself and strive to become a better person. By focusing on your own shortcomings and making positive changes, you can contribute to making the world a better place.

    • Embracing Challenges and Personal Growth for FulfillmentOvercoming obstacles and striving for personal growth leads to a more fulfilling life by pushing us to become better versions of ourselves and contribute positively to society.

      Embracing challenges and overcoming difficulties brings a sense of accomplishment and fulfillment. It's not about seeking an easy and happy life, but rather finding optimal challenges that push us to grow and become better versions of ourselves. Jordan Peterson highlights the importance of personal sovereignty, understanding oneself, and managing actions and thoughts. By facing adversity and gaining self-awareness, we can engage in meaningful conversations and contribute positively to society. Joe Rogan emphasizes the value of tackling difficult tasks, such as writing a book or putting together a comedy special, and experiencing the satisfaction that comes from accomplishing them. Ultimately, the key takeaway is that embracing challenges and personal growth leads to a more fulfilling life.

    • Embracing Responsibility and Making a Positive DifferenceFinding fulfillment and meaning in life comes from taking on challenges, being responsible, and making a positive impact on the lives of others.

      Finding meaning and fulfillment in life comes from taking on difficult tasks and pushing ourselves past our current limitations. It's not about seeking a life of leisure or escaping from the challenges of life. Rather, it's about embracing the worthwhile burden of responsibility and being useful to others. We are all interconnected in a vast network, and our actions and choices have far-reaching consequences. When we fail to be our best selves, it not only affects us but also those around us. Similarly, when we strive to be better, it has a positive ripple effect, impacting the lives of countless others. So, instead of seeking temporary pleasures or avoiding hardships, we should focus on becoming the best versions of ourselves and making a positive difference in the lives of others.

    • The Power of Small Actions in Shaping Our LivesTaking care of small tasks, like cleaning up a room, may seem insignificant, but they can have a profound impact on our well-being and relationships, leading to personal growth and a more organized environment.

      Taking care of the small things in our lives can have a significant impact on our overall well-being and the well-being of those around us. Jordan Peterson shares the example of cleaning up a room, which may seem like a trivial task, but its consequences can ripple through our lives and relationships. By organizing this little part of our life, we may encounter resistance and criticism from others, but the discipline and effort required can lead to personal growth and a more orderly environment. Peterson emphasizes that we often undervalue the mundane aspects of our daily lives, but it is precisely in these simple actions and interactions that we have the opportunity to shape and improve our lives.

    • The Power of Our Decisions: Shaping the WorldOur decisions hold immense power in shaping the world for better or worse. By recognizing our own potential and embracing abundance, we can strive towards making the world a better place.

      Our decisions have the power to shape the world towards heaven or hell. Jordan Peterson believes that every decision we make tilts the world in one direction or the other. He emphasizes that potential, not material reality, is what we face in the world. And with every decision, we choose whether we want to make the world better or worse. Peterson acknowledges that anger and suffering may lead some to want to make the world worse, but he personally chooses to believe in the potential to make it better. He encourages people to recognize the untapped potential within themselves and to understand that there is more than enough potential to go around. Let go of the scarcity mindset that breeds jealousy and embrace the idea that success and potential are not finite resources.

    • Making a Better World by Ending DestructionBy choosing to stop contributing to the deterioration of the world, we can create a positive impact and envision a future of improvement and success.

      We have the power to make the world a better place by stopping our contribution to its deterioration. Jordan Peterson highlights the potential for tremendous improvement if we simply cease making things worse. By aiming for heaven, starting at home, and telling the truth, we can see the positive impact we can have on the world. Peterson envisions a future where hunger is eradicated and the biggest diseases are eliminated in just 20 years. It's a choice between heaven or hell, and every decision we make matters. Additionally, Peterson's experiences with social justice activists show that even in the face of opposition, one can still find unexpected opportunities for success.

    • Exploring the limitations of traditional media and the transformative potential of online conversations.YouTube provides a platform for long-form conversations that foster understanding, personal growth, and challenge groupthink, moving beyond the constraints of traditional media.

      Traditional media formats, like television, are limited in their ability to facilitate genuine and meaningful conversations. Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan highlight the constraints imposed by sound bites and commercial interruptions. They argue that platforms like YouTube offer a richer and more authentic space for discourse, free from time and space limitations. The online space allows for long-form conversations that foster understanding and personal growth. Peterson's lectures and discussions on YouTube demonstrate the appeal of in-depth analysis and exploration of ideas. The conversation also touches on the dangers of groupthink and the importance of individual exploration and questioning. Ultimately, this exchange highlights the transformative potential of genuine conversation and the need to move beyond traditional media formats.

    • The Impact of a Meat and Greens Diet on Autoimmune Disorders and Overall HealthFollowing a radically restrictive diet of only meat and greens can lead to significant improvements in autoimmune disorders and overall health, as demonstrated by Jordan Peterson's daughter and himself.

      A radically restrictive diet of only meat and greens can have a profound impact on autoimmune disorders and overall health. Jordan Peterson's daughter, who suffered from a severe autoimmune disorder, experienced a remarkable improvement in her symptoms after following this diet. She was able to alleviate her pain and be practically symptom-free. Jordan Peterson himself also adopted this diet and witnessed significant positive changes in his own health, such as weight loss, elimination of snoring and gastric reflux, and the disappearance of other ailments like psoriasis and gum disease. This suggests that for many people, a high-carbohydrate diet may be detrimental to their health, leading to various health issues.

    • The transformative impact of technology on health, education, and communication.Technology is reshaping traditional ideas and institutions, empowering individuals to access knowledge, learn, and connect in new and democratized ways.

      Our understanding of health, education, and communication is being transformed by technology. Traditional ideas and approaches are being challenged, as access to information becomes more widespread and people seek new ways to learn and connect. Online platforms, like YouTube, are becoming virtual universities where individuals can freely access educational content and interact with experts in various fields. This shift raises important questions about the role of institutions, like universities, and the value they provide in a rapidly changing landscape. Moreover, it highlights the power of technology to democratize knowledge and empower individuals to take control of their own learning, health, and personal development.

    • Jordan Peterson's meticulous and self-critical approach to his work has shaped his profound insights and changed the way readers perceive the world.Jordan Peterson's dedication to self-criticism and attention to detail has made him highly qualified to provide profound insights that challenge readers' perspectives and change their worldview.

      Jordan Peterson is a meticulous, careful thinker. He approaches his work with extreme self-criticism, rewriting sentences multiple times and constantly challenging his own ideas. He spent 15 years writing his first book, Maps of Meaning, ensuring that every sentence was carefully constructed and unbreakable. This dedication and attention to detail has become the foundation for his subsequent work, including his bestselling book 12 Rules for Life. Peterson's commitment to critically examining his thoughts and ideas is rare, making him uniquely qualified for the task at hand. His thoroughness and rigorous approach have yielded insights that have had a profound impact on both himself and his readers, fundamentally changing how they view the world.

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